TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

RE: I'm conservative, Christian, and pro-life - and this is all DISGUSTING.

chillepeppa · Regular

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Science cannot determine matters of morality. And, you are saying Birth defects = Bad, which is making a MORAL statement. So, they could also argue that they don't believe birth defects are "bad" as well. Morality cannot and does not come from science.

That can also be seen as a scientific view. Birth defect also does not apply to incest only.

As creepy and gross as incest is to some, it is not a universal feeling, be it from ignorance or just some weird fetish. Otherwise we would not be having this discussion. It still happens and will happen until the cows come home.

huskerbb · Guru

I find it laughable that most of the "they are born that way crowd"....

....won't apply that same logic to those with birth defects and would rather see those aborted.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Science cannot determine matters of morality. And, you are saying Birth defects = Bad, which is making a MORAL statement. So, they could also argue that they don't believe birth defects are "bad" as well. Morality cannot and does not come from science.

Birth defects ARE bad. And that's a physical issue. While those with birth defects are or should be embraced and loved, no one hopes and prays for a child with birth defects. Birth defects can kill children, they can have negative impacts on their lives, they can create mental defects that will never allow them to live full lives.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Pronouncing something "bad" or "good" is a MORAL judgment.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Pronouncing something "bad" or "good" is a MORAL judgment.

No, Gaga - not always. Getting the flu is bad. That is not a moral judgment.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

But, WHY is it BAD? You are making a judgment that being sick is no good.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
But, WHY is it BAD? You are making a judgment that being sick is no good.

It is bad because is physically debillitates you and could kill the weak.

Hey EVERYBODY - any of you think the flu is GOOD?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Nature just IS. WE deem things " good" or "bad".

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Not all determinations of whether something is "good" or "bad" is a moral one. There are other reasons for those determinations.

Chocolate is good. That is not a moral characterization.

Getting eaten by a lion is bad. That is not a moral characterization.

ed11563 · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
But, WHY is it BAD? You are making a judgment that being sick is no good.
It is bad because is physically debillitates you and could kill the weak.

Hey EVERYBODY - any of you think the flu is GOOD?

Wow, what a tough question. Let's see ...........

I vote ...........

Spoiler

no.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Good or bad according to whom? I suspect to the lion it is good.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Good or bad according to whom? I suspect to the lion it is good.

It was "getting eaten by a lion", not the lion getting to eat.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

As I said, it depends on which side of the aisle now doesn't it?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

My sons and I were just talking about this. Something being a good thing or a bad thing.

Talking about birth defects, A is legally blind in one eye. There is enough sensory there that it can cause him to have headaches at times.

He doesn't say things like, this is a bad thing. He has actually said he wished it was completely blind so that he wouldn't get the headaches he gets.

So while you see it as a bad thing that he doesn't have sight in that eye, he sees it that he has just enough sensory perception to be a problem.

Does that make his defect bad? No. He says it is what it is and he doesn't know differently so it doesn't matter.

It's like saying you don't like something when you have never had it. It doesn't matter what it tastes like, you have never had it. You don't know.

J is smart enough to know he is different from just about everyone. But he says he doesn't know any other way of being. If he was suddenly like everyone else he would probably wish to be like he is cause he knows what that is. Others might see his disability as bad. But he sees it as just the way it is. He doesn't know any other way of being.

So what is bad? No. A parent does wish and hope their child has some kind of deformity or disability when they are carrying them. But when it happens you have two choices. You either accept it and live your life or you don't and spend your life miserable and wishing for something else.

What you or I may see as bad another may see as just the way it is.

We all have our crosses to bear. How we carry them says more about us that what it is.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
As I said, it depends on which side of the aisle now doesn't it?

I would think a lion would also consider it bad to be eaten by a lion. That's animal cannibalism.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

lilyofcourse wrote:
My sons and I were just talking about this. Something being a good thing or a bad thing.

Talking about birth defects, A is legally blind in one eye. There is enough sensory there that it can cause him to have headaches at times.

He doesn't say things like, this is a bad thing. He has actually said he wished it was completely blind so that he wouldn't get the headaches he gets.

So while you see it as a bad thing that he doesn't have sight in that eye, he sees it that he has just enough sensory perception to be a problem.

Does that make his defect bad? No. He says it is what it is and he doesn't know differently so it doesn't matter.

It's like saying you don't like something when you have never had it. It doesn't matter what it tastes like, you have never had it. You don't know.

J is smart enough to know he is different from just about everyone. But he says he doesn't know any other way of being. If he was suddenly like everyone else he would probably wish to be like he is cause he knows what that is. Others might see his disability as bad. But he sees it as just the way it is. He doesn't know any other way of being.

So what is bad? No. A parent does wish and hope their child has some kind of deformity or disability when they are carrying them. But when it happens you have two choices. You either accept it and live your life or you don't and spend your life miserable and wishing for something else.

What you or I may see as bad another may see as just the way it is.

We all have our crosses to bear. How we carry them says more about us that what it is.

I knew someone would get all offended. Wouldn't it be better not to have the defect at all? It's still bad - you have just learned to live with it. BAD is not a moral judgment here, Lily - it's the fact that it causes headaches - a PHYSICAL problem that it would be good not to have. This is not about judging your son, it's about wishing he didn't have to deal with that at all.