TOTALLY GEEKED!

ed11563 wrote:

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I think it's extremely arrogant to think that it's okay to interrupt someone else's worship service to insult them,

and to push one's own religious belief like she did.

If she really believes "Jesus Christ died on that cross over there,” she's delusional. Does she think she's in the Middle East? Does she think it's the same cross, imported and well preserved after 2000 years?

-- Edited by ed11563 on Saturday 15th of November 2014 12:50:14 AM

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 I think it's arrogant and stupid of someone going into a Christian church for a Muslim worship service.  It's sacrilegious and whoever had that bright idea should not be allowed to be making decisions anymore.  Perhaps the Jews can invite the Muslims into their synagogs next if it's ok.  Or, hey - think the Muslims will let us use their Mosques for holy communion?

Freedom of religion is tantamount to this country - that doesn't mean sponsored insult of another's religion, which is what this is.

Honestly, if the Church leaders of that particular building have not only allowed the service but actually organized the service, then the woman has absolutely no moral high ground.

The National Cathedral is an Episcopal church. The American Episcopal Church (in particular the American Episcopal Church in the DC area - just ask Falls Church) is very liberal in its leanings, compared to the Catholic Church the Anglican Church and other Protestant sects.

The point of Freedom of Religion is to allow not just the different RELIGIONS to exercise their beliefs, but allow the individual sects within the religions to exercise their beliefs.

Which is one of the reasons why I honestly believe that legally, MARRIAGES should be taken off the table and that the government should only deal with Legal Unions and let the individual RELIGION decide if they want to sanctify a "marriage". Because one sect may not approve Gay Marriage, but another might not.

Well this is the same type of fruit. If one sect wants to allow its buildings to be open to interfaith services for whatever reason, it should be allowed without any interruption. And if an individual does not like what his/her particular sect's leadership is doing, work within the leadership or leave for a sect that better fits your belief system.

Which goes all ways...if your particular sect doesn't believe in gay marriages, then leave and find one that does (BTW, the American Episcopal Church has had a gay Bishop who then divorced his spouse).

Other churches is one thing. But to walk into a CHRISTIAN church and be offended by hearing about Jesus is just beyond assinine.

Southern_Belle wrote:

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Well, one of the churches allows a Korean service. I'm not sure what their beliefs are compared to ours.

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 Koreans can be Christians.  Many churches have services for other languages. 

It's a house of God to worship Jesus Christ.  Out of ALL the places in the world - people should not bitch about hearing about Jesus when they walk inside one.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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I mean, SERIOUSLY? People say there is not a war against Christianity in this country and now not even our churches are safe to talk about Christ.

Give me a break. This is beyond ridiculous.

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 I agree that there is a war against Christianity.  But this is not the case.  The owners of that particular building offered another religion to use their building for their worship. It doesn't matter WHY the owners of that building offered up the space, though in this case it was to build some basic understanding between the two religions so it was not like the Muslims were taking the building from the Christians...

The woman had no moral high ground to be disruptive during the service.  If she had a problem with it, she should have gone to Diocese.  Having that rant does nothing for the cause of saving Christians in America.  It just points out how narrow minded a Christian can be...given there was prior approval.  

One cannot demand justice if one cannot give justice to another.  

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Southern_Belle wrote:

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Well, one of the churches allows a Korean service. I'm not sure what their beliefs are compared to ours.

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 Koreans can be Christians.  Many churches have services for other languages. 

It's a house of God to worship Jesus Christ.  Out of ALL the places in the world - people should not bitch about hearing about Jesus when they walk inside one.

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Sometimes small congregations will rent space from a different denomination, sometimes people will have a cross-over service. Sometimes a church or a synagogue will allow another congregation to use their facility when there's a need. 

There's nothing wrong with that. It's not like the Muslims came in and desecrated the place.

She was thrown out of a Christian church for making a declaration about Christ during a worship service.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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She was thrown out of a Christian church for making a declaration about Christ during a worship service.

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She was thrown out of a Christian church for interrupting a worship service. 

Tignanello wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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She was thrown out of a Christian church for making a declaration about Christ during a worship service.

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She was thrown out of a Christian church for interrupting a worship service. 

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 Worshiping Christ in a Christian church is NOT interrupting a worship service. 

ed11563 wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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I'm waiting for a return invitation by the Muslims.

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 Actually, that's a very good idea. Someone should suggest it to them.

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Why don't you go talk to them about it. I will be waiting to hear what they tell you.  

I have long believed that Christianity and Islam have more in common than they do differences, and obviously, the church leaders agree with me.
I would have escorted her out too. She was being inappropriate. Church is for worship, not yelling and throwing fits.

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Lily, I have been into a Mosque. I was welcomed, and told I could worship in whatever way I saw fit, or not at all if I chose. They were warm and hospitable.

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 I suspected as much. Thanks for the confirmation.

flan

One instance does not a truth make.

The truth is, if a Christian church were to ask to use a Mosque for a Christian service, they would be told no.

Episcopalian churches tend to be very liberal. Not sticking to the Bible and the Christian faith a lot of time. They are just a step up from the Unitarians.

So I am not surprised that they have "embraced" this idea of global religion.

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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I have long believed that Christianity and Islam have more in common than they do differences, and obviously, the church leaders agree with me.
I would have escorted her out too. She was being inappropriate. Church is for worship, not yelling and throwing fits.

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 I actually believe so as well, but the Muslims do not.  They believe they are worshiping a different God.  And the very first commandment is "Though shall have no other Gods before me".  Which means the church leaders that invited them in did so knowing they would be worshiping what they perceive to be a different God. 

 

Tolerance does NOT mean condoning sin.  Which is what they are doing. 

Christians also invite people in to worship - or not worship, whichever - but they are going to tell you about Christ while you are there.  This woman was thrown out of church for doing that - and that's wrong. 

And I dare you to go into a Muslim mosque, walk in front of all the men, genuflect and take holy communion and see what happens.

Tignanello wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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I have long believed that Christianity and Islam have more in common than they do differences, and obviously, the church leaders agree with me.
I would have escorted her out too. She was being inappropriate. Church is for worship, not yelling and throwing fits.

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 I actually believe so as well, but the Muslims do not.  They believe they are worshiping a different God.  And the very first commandment is "Though shall have no other Gods before me".  Which means the church leaders that invited them in did so knowing they would be worshiping what they perceive to be a different God. 

 

Tolerance does NOT mean condoning sin.  Which is what they are doing. 

Christians also invite people in to worship - or not worship, whichever - but they are going to tell you about Christ while you are there.  This woman was thrown out of church for doing that - and that's wrong. 

And I dare you to go into a Muslim mosque, walk in front of all the men, genuflect and take holy communion and see what happens.

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Pitching a temper tantrum is not 'telling you about Christ'. 

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 She did NOT pitch a temper tantrum.  She made a declaration and refused to be man-handled.  That is hardly throwing a temper tantrum.

You can watch it at the link. Some one was recording the events of the service.

Jesus Christ died on that cross over there,” the unidentified woman declared as she stood in the front of the room. “He is the reason why we are to worship only Him. Jesus Christ is our lord and savior!”

A man nearby immediately approached her and attempted to reach for her arm, but she pulled away.

“We have built, and allowed you here in mosques across this country,” she continued. “Why can’t you worship in your mosque, and leave our churches alone?”

Another man approached as she was speaking and began to escort her out.

According to reports, the woman made the declaration immediately following the opening announcements that commenced this afternoon.

 

Repeated declarations that could be heard by a congregation of that size?  At an inappropriate time?  And not stopping when obviously needing to?  This counts as a temper tantrum and bad behavior.  The words she used are irrelevant.  It's the behavior that got her kicked out.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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“Why can’t you worship in your mosque, and leave our churches alone?”


This is my question as well. A very valid question. A question that deserves an answer.

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 Cooties!!!!!

flan

 

 

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I'm actually feeling better about this.

The expression "Don't bite the hand that feeds you" comes to mind. This CHURCH relies completely on private donations. Who do you think makes those donations? Muslims and Atheists? Hardly. And when church leaders fail to follow doctrine, members either replace them or they leave - and they take their checkbooks with them.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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“Why can’t you worship in your mosque, and leave our churches alone?”


This is my question as well. A very valid question. A question that deserves an answer.

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 Because they were invited to that particular church.  They did not push their way into an Episcopal Service and overtake the Rector.  Nor did they show up during off hours and start a service willy nilly.  

They were invited.  And again, if this woman felt so strongly, then deal with the people who opened the doors, not the invited guests.  

 

"Look up Falls Church and its history and what happened a few years ago. The "church membership" wanted to disassociate from the National Episcopal Church because of its growing liberal views. The membership lost."

This is a sad statement.

The church is turning away from God and turning to political correctness and the way of the world.


"They were invited. And again, if this woman felt so strongly, then deal with the people who opened the doors, not the invited guests."

And there will never be a return invitation.

So using the logic some are using on this thread...if I go to Episcopal services with my MIL, and start proclaiming the infallibility of the Pope, I'm not actually being disruptive.
Okay then.