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just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

RE: ‘Worship Only Jesus Christ': Woman Ejected From Muslim Prayer Gathering at National Cathedral

wild_blue · Newbie

just Czech wrote:
wild_blue wrote:
So using the logic some are using on this thread...if I go to Episcopal services with my MIL, and start proclaiming the infallibility of the Pope, I'm not actually being disruptive.
Okay then.
That would be rather ironic since you are Jewish.
Twenty years ago the Episcopalian's probably would not have argued against that thought. Now, they would.
So, a Jewish person arguing for the Pope, in a Christian church, would be wrong how?

Where did the idea that I'm Jewish come from? I'm Catholic, thinking about converting for a while because of their stance on women in the priesthood. The Episcopal church does most certainly not believe in the Pope.

Carol15 · Newbie

I've never understood how one religion is right. Muslims don't agree with Christians. Christians don't agree with Muslims. Jews, Catholics, Mormon.....they are all different and I think it's arrogant to think that only one of these can be right.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Carol15 wrote:
I've never understood how one religion is right. Muslims don't agree with Christians. Christians don't agree with Muslims. Jews, Catholics, Mormon.....they are all different and I think it's arrogant to think that only one of these can be right.

Oh, hon, you've done it now...

(FTR, I agree with you!)

flan

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

wild_blue wrote:
just Czech wrote:
wild_blue wrote:
So using the logic some are using on this thread...if I go to Episcopal services with my MIL, and start proclaiming the infallibility of the Pope, I'm not actually being disruptive.
Okay then.
That would be rather ironic since you are Jewish.
Twenty years ago the Episcopalian's probably would not have argued against that thought. Now, they would.
So, a Jewish person arguing for the Pope, in a Christian church, would be wrong how?

Where did the idea that I'm Jewish come from? I'm Catholic, thinking about converting for a while because of their stance on women in the priesthood. The Episcopal church does most certainly not believe in the Pope.

Sorry. For some reason I thought Ed wrote this post. His must have been just above your post. My mistake.

The Old Episcopal Church did have a lot of respect for the Pope at one time. Just not in resent times.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Carol15 wrote:
I've never understood how one religion is right. Muslims don't agree with Christians. Christians don't agree with Muslims. Jews, Catholics, Mormon.....they are all different and I think it's arrogant to think that only one of these can be right.

Probably because, IMHO, the afterlife of my soul depends on believing in the RIGHT GOD.

If you don't have a faith, it shouldn't matter to you what anyone else's faith teaches.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

just Czech wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
I've never understood how one religion is right. Muslims don't agree with Christians. Christians don't agree with Muslims. Jews, Catholics, Mormon.....they are all different and I think it's arrogant to think that only one of these can be right.
Probably because, IMHO, the afterlife of my soul depends on believing in the RIGHT GOD.
If you don't have a faith, it shouldn't matter to you what anyone else's faith teaches.

I guess I'm focusing on her last sentence.

I do NOT think YOU are "arrogant," but I've seen others who come across that way, both IRL & here.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

just Czech wrote:
IMHO, muslim prayers should never be conducted in a church building devoted to the Christian God.

I also remember reading awhile back, that once muslims have prayers in a Christian church, the muslims believe that the building becomes a mosque and is no longer Christian.
IMHO, the Episcopalian's no longer follow the doctrine of Christ. That church in D.C., is nothing more than a political tool.
I remember the conflict within the Episcopalian Church when the church decided to allow gay men to be ministers. A lot of the members left the church. My sister and her DH left, and joined the Catholic Church over it.
And, yeah, the muslims will never allow a Christian service be performed within a mosque.
And they sure heck will not allow a non muslim anywhere close to Mecca.

Yes, yes, yes to all of this.

The leaders of this church invited blasphemy in.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Carol15 wrote:
I've never understood how one religion is right. Muslims don't agree with Christians. Christians don't agree with Muslims. Jews, Catholics, Mormon.....they are all different and I think it's arrogant to think that only one of these can be right.

EAch religion teaches it is the only one. To believe in it means to believe that. It's not arrogance - it's faith.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
I've never understood how one religion is right. Muslims don't agree with Christians. Christians don't agree with Muslims. Jews, Catholics, Mormon.....they are all different and I think it's arrogant to think that only one of these can be right.
EAch religion teaches it is the only one. To believe in it means to believe that. It's not arrogance - it's faith.

But I think some are more accepting of other faiths.

And it CAN come across as arrogance, imo.

flan

PotteryChick · Member

christianleaderblog.blogspot.com/2011/04/are-you-arrogant-confident-or-full-of.html

A good article about the differences between, confidence, arrogance and faith. I can post the article if anyone is interested.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

PotteryChick wrote:
christianleaderblog.blogspot.com/2011/04/are-you-arrogant-confident-or-full-of.html

A good article about the differences between, confidence, arrogance and faith. I can post the article if anyone is interested.

I'd be interested. Thanks.

flan

PotteryChick · Member

Can you tell the difference between faith, confidence, and arrogance? The three may look similarly to the eyes of the outside observer, but they are so different in the heart of a leader. However, a few distinctions can help you determine which of the three applies to your character.

Faith

Reflect for a moment on Hebrews 11:1 “Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see” (NIV). Faith is futuristic. It is means you have a “hope” and “certainty” about something. We cannot prove that we have faith because it is not something to be seen, touched, and easily diagnosed. But it certainly does impact our conversation and how we make decisions. Most importantly, others can identify when we have it and when we don’t.

Confidence

When we have confidence, we can usually trace it to something that happened in the past. Thus, confidence is easier than faith to “prove.” Not only can we see it, but confidence is something you can justify having because it comes from an act or event that can provide the proof.

Arrogance

My definition of arrogance is having “an overbearing and pretentious confidence.” Unlike faith and confidence, it communicates superiority.

Using Faith & Confidence; Guarding Against Arrogance

Now that you know what each of these terms mean and how they “look,” I challenge you to reflect and determine which term your followers see in you? Which word best describes you?

Some time ago, a pastor and I were taking a walk, discussing the many issues impacting relationships in our church. During the walk I was sharing my perspective on a certain point, when the pastor asked me, “Ron, might it be a bit arrogant of you to say that?”

We must reflect carefully about whether our actions appear
arrogant to others.
I can say I was quite stunned, to say the least. While the pastor who said this may not have used word the way he wanted to, I certainly knew that the true meaning of this term wasn’t flattering.

We finished our walk, and the discussion went well. However I went home that day with a heavy heart. That night in my quiet time, I searched my mind and every crevasse of my will and brain to see if I could find an arrogant piece of me, asking God to reveal it to me. At the end of a time of self-examination, I found myself clear of any conviction of the Holy Spirit in this area of my life.

However, as I reflected on my life in an attempt to see why the pastor had thought my statement arrogant, it soon became apparent to me that I had acquired a high degree of confidence throughout my life, and the way I communicated my confidence bordered on the threshold of arrogance. At least, this is what it looked like on the outside. In addition, to this confidence, one of my stronger spiritual gifts is faith. The level of faith that I have is certainly a result of what God has done with me in the past. I don’t doubt His distinctive use of me in the past, and as a result, I have a high degree of faith about what the future holds.

Guarding Against Arrogance

Even though I don’t believe I was being arrogant, this experience reinforced the fact that I, and those of you like me, need to be careful. We need to be conscious of our audience and guard against our body language and speech becoming truly arrogant. I can’t help think of what Gideon’s soldiers saw in him as God pared their numbers down to 300 fighters. Somehow, I don’t think they followed him simply because Gideon appeared confident as he was telling them about a fleece getting wet and then dry. That does not drive 300 men to face what most would call certain death. No, it was Gideon’s great faith in God that inspired them to believe what he had come to believe—that he and his army of the faithful would prevail! The 300 did not follow him because he was arrogant; they followed him because of his confidence AND because if his faith.

Food for Thought
Which one do you have the most of—faith, confidence, or arrogance?
Which one(s) will we bring to the office tomorrow? :-/

PotteryChick · Member

We attended a beautiful Catholic wedding yesterday and feel fine about not attending mass this morning. 2.5 hours in church is a long time. We spent 10 minutes justifying our decision to each other then rolled over and went back to sleep.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

PotteryChick wrote:
We attended a beautiful Catholic wedding yesterday and feel fine about not attending mass this morning. 2.5 hours in church is a long time. We spent 10 minutes justifying our decision to each other then rolled over and went back to sleep.

Ahhhh, the Catholic guilt. You are preaching to the choir!

flan

elphaba · Newbie

Does this cathedral have a regular congregation, or is it used for ceremonial reasons primarily. I guess I can understand the woman's concern if she was a member of this specific congregation, although I think her approach (disrupting a service that had been approved by the church leadership) was absolutely rude and wrong; I support her right to raise her concerns to the church leadership privately, to start a petition, cancel her membership or otherwise voice her disapproval.
If she's not a member of this congregation, I think she should mind her own business.

Blankie · Guru

Carol15 wrote:
I've never understood how one religion is right. Muslims don't agree with Christians. Christians don't agree with Muslims. Jews, Catholics, Mormon.....they are all different and I think it's arrogant to think that only one of these can be right.

I sincerely hope you survive making this statement, Carol. You're taking your life in your hands on this board. Buckle up!

By the way, I agree with you. I believe God is way, way bigger than any one religion.

How could any one religion possibly hold the infinity of God? Religion is man-made. God is much bigger.

And now I think I will leave this thread, because religious threads like this usually make me start thinking bad thoughts about people that I otherwise like.

Some things are better left unread, at least for me, that is.

huskerbb · Guru

This should never have been allowed in the first place. It's a ludicrous double standard in this country. We bend over backwards to show everyone how "tolerant" we are--but we don't hold others to the same standard.

If a Christian group wanted to use a mosque for their service--there is NO WAY that would ever be allowed to happen.

huskerbb · Guru

wild_blue wrote:
So using the logic some are using on this thread...if I go to Episcopal services with my MIL, and start proclaiming the infallibility of the Pope, I'm not actually being disruptive.
Okay then.

You aren't comparing like events.

Sure, it is rude to interrupt another's worship service--IF said service is being held where it is SUPPOSED to be held.

I doubt this woman would have ever thought of doing what she did if they were in a MOSQUE and not a purportedly Christian church.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

PotteryChick wrote:
We attended a beautiful Catholic wedding yesterday and feel fine about not attending mass this morning. 2.5 hours in church is a long time. We spent 10 minutes justifying our decision to each other then rolled over and went back to sleep.

Catholic weddings are a mass and Catholics often attend mass on Saturday instead of Sunday. I think you are guilt free on this one!!!!

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
I've never understood how one religion is right. Muslims don't agree with Christians. Christians don't agree with Muslims. Jews, Catholics, Mormon.....they are all different and I think it's arrogant to think that only one of these can be right.
EAch religion teaches it is the only one. To believe in it means to believe that. It's not arrogance - it's faith.
But I think some are more accepting of other faiths.
And it CAN come across as arrogance, imo.
flan

This is not meant snarkily - but I think people without faith have a very difficult time understanding the certainty other people have in their faith.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

elphaba wrote:
Does this cathedral have a regular congregation, or is it used for ceremonial reasons primarily. I guess I can understand the woman's concern if she was a member of this specific congregation, although I think her approach (disrupting a service that had been approved by the church leadership) was absolutely rude and wrong; I support her right to raise her concerns to the church leadership privately, to start a petition, cancel her membership or otherwise voice her disapproval.
If she's not a member of this congregation, I think she should mind her own business.

We had a pastor a while ago that thought he could make all sorts of decisions for the church on his own. He didn't last long. But had he done something like invite Muslims in to have THEIR service in our church??? You can bet there would have been interruptions and declarations made by the church members. It's OUR church - not his alone.

cadiver · Senior Member

The group was invited, she wasn't and was disrupting the service. She was escorted out like she should have been.

cadiver · Senior Member

elphaba wrote:
Does this cathedral have a regular congregation, or is it used for ceremonial reasons primarily. I guess I can understand the woman's concern if she was a member of this specific congregation, although I think her approach (disrupting a service that had been approved by the church leadership) was absolutely rude and wrong; I support her right to raise her concerns to the church leadership privately, to start a petition, cancel her membership or otherwise voice her disapproval.
If she's not a member of this congregation, I think she should mind her own business.

I guess she is not a member, she lives in Tennessee. They have in the past Interfaith services with calls to prayer for Christian, Jewish, Hindu and Muslim.

ed11563 · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:

This is not meant snarkily - but I think people without faith have a very difficult time understanding the certainty other people have in their faith.

You are absolutely right.

I cannot understand how some people can take that to the level of attempting genocide, like the Sunni Muslims and the Shiite Muslims are doing, trying to kill each other for worshiping Allah a little bit differently. To me that would be like Presbyterians and Methodists trying to wipe each other off the face of the Earth.

elphaba · Newbie

Lawyerlady wrote:
elphaba wrote:
Does this cathedral have a regular congregation, or is it used for ceremonial reasons primarily. I guess I can understand the woman's concern if she was a member of this specific congregation, although I think her approach (disrupting a service that had been approved by the church leadership) was absolutely rude and wrong; I support her right to raise her concerns to the church leadership privately, to start a petition, cancel her membership or otherwise voice her disapproval.
If she's not a member of this congregation, I think she should mind her own business.
We had a pastor a while ago that thought he could make all sorts of decisions for the church on his own. He didn't last long. But had he done something like invite Muslims in to have THEIR service in our church??? You can bet there would have been interruptions and declarations made by the church members. It's OUR church - not his alone.

If she's from Tennessee as mention in the other comment on this thread, then I don't see how she's any part of this particular church. If she was a member, fine... voice displeasure, but I don't understand why being a member of the greater christian faith would give her any disrupt an approved service at another congregation's church. Can a catholic enter a baptist church and start loudly voicing demanding they follow the pope in the middle of a service? Can witnesses to a christening/baptism start debating the merits of sprinkling vs. dunking during the service? Isn't that rude under any context.

Carol15 · Newbie

just Czech wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
I've never understood how one religion is right. Muslims don't agree with Christians. Christians don't agree with Muslims. Jews, Catholics, Mormon.....they are all different and I think it's arrogant to think that only one of these can be right.
Probably because, IMHO, the afterlife of my soul depends on believing in the RIGHT GOD.
If you don't have a faith, it shouldn't matter to you what anyone else's faith teaches.

If you are assuming that I have no faith based on my statement, that would be incorrect.

If one has faith, then the belief of others shouldn't matter. Each religion feels that their God is the right God. It is to them because they have faith.

Carol15 · Newbie

Lawyerlady wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
I've never understood how one religion is right. Muslims don't agree with Christians. Christians don't agree with Muslims. Jews, Catholics, Mormon.....they are all different and I think it's arrogant to think that only one of these can be right.
EAch religion teaches it is the only one. To believe in it means to believe that. It's not arrogance - it's faith.

I think it's arrogant to believe there is only one. One religion, one right way to believe, etc. I don't think believing or having faith is arrogant.....it's not having room for anyone else's beliefs that feels arrogant to me.

To to be clear, I'm not referring to any specific poster.

-- Edited by Carol15 on Monday 17th of November 2014 12:05:54 AM

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Blankie wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
I've never understood how one religion is right. Muslims don't agree with Christians. Christians don't agree with Muslims. Jews, Catholics, Mormon.....they are all different and I think it's arrogant to think that only one of these can be right.
I sincerely hope you survive making this statement, Carol. You're taking your life in your hands on this board. Buckle up!
By the way, I agree with you. I believe God is way, way bigger than any one religion.
How could any one religion possibly hold the infinity of God? Religion is man-made. God is much bigger.
And now I think I will leave this thread, because religious threads like this usually make me start thinking bad thoughts about people that I otherwise like.
Some things are better left unread, at least for me, that is.

Beautiful!

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Carol15 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
I've never understood how one religion is right. Muslims don't agree with Christians. Christians don't agree with Muslims. Jews, Catholics, Mormon.....they are all different and I think it's arrogant to think that only one of these can be right.
EAch religion teaches it is the only one. To believe in it means to believe that. It's not arrogance - it's faith.
I think it's arrogant to believe there is only one. One religion, one right way to believe, etc. I don't think believing or having faith is arrogant.....it's not having room for anyone else's beliefs that feels arrogant to me.

To to be clear, I'm not referring to any specific poster.

-- Edited by Carol15 on Monday 17th of November 2014 12:05:54 AM

I have respect for other people's rights to their beleifs. I don't believe they are right, however, because I have faith that there is only one true God. If I didn't have that faith, I would not be Christian. But having room for other beliefs does not mean accepting them into the Christian God's house to worship another God against the tenets of the church and God's commandments. They have their own house.

huskerbb · Guru

elphaba wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
elphaba wrote:
Does this cathedral have a regular congregation, or is it used for ceremonial reasons primarily. I guess I can understand the woman's concern if she was a member of this specific congregation, although I think her approach (disrupting a service that had been approved by the church leadership) was absolutely rude and wrong; I support her right to raise her concerns to the church leadership privately, to start a petition, cancel her membership or otherwise voice her disapproval.
If she's not a member of this congregation, I think she should mind her own business.
We had a pastor a while ago that thought he could make all sorts of decisions for the church on his own. He didn't last long. But had he done something like invite Muslims in to have THEIR service in our church??? You can bet there would have been interruptions and declarations made by the church members. It's OUR church - not his alone.
If she's from Tennessee as mention in the other comment on this thread, then I don't see how she's any part of this particular church. If she was a member, fine... voice displeasure, but I don't understand why being a member of the greater christian faith would give her any disrupt an approved service at another congregation's church. Can a catholic enter a baptist church and start loudly voicing demanding they follow the pope in the middle of a service? Can witnesses to a christening/baptism start debating the merits of sprinkling vs. dunking during the service? Isn't that rude under any context.

Not under "any" context. Interrupting a Catholic priest having a service in a CATHOLIC church would be rude. This "service" never should have been allowed to be in a church.

Under no circumstances would a Christian group EVER be allowed to hold services in a Mosque. That, in and of itself, is disrespectful--as is holding a Muslim service in a church.

huskerbb · Guru

Carol15 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
I've never understood how one religion is right. Muslims don't agree with Christians. Christians don't agree with Muslims. Jews, Catholics, Mormon.....they are all different and I think it's arrogant to think that only one of these can be right.
EAch religion teaches it is the only one. To believe in it means to believe that. It's not arrogance - it's faith.
I think it's arrogant to believe there is only one. One religion, one right way to believe, etc. I don't think believing or having faith is arrogant.....it's not having room for anyone else's beliefs that feels arrogant to me.

To to be clear, I'm not referring to any specific poster.

-- Edited by Carol15 on Monday 17th of November 2014 12:05:54 AM

That's ridiculous. If you hold one faith--you aren't going to have a completely different one, as well. Absurd.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
I've never understood how one religion is right. Muslims don't agree with Christians. Christians don't agree with Muslims. Jews, Catholics, Mormon.....they are all different and I think it's arrogant to think that only one of these can be right.
EAch religion teaches it is the only one. To believe in it means to believe that. It's not arrogance - it's faith.
I think it's arrogant to believe there is only one. One religion, one right way to believe, etc. I don't think believing or having faith is arrogant.....it's not having room for anyone else's beliefs that feels arrogant to me.

To to be clear, I'm not referring to any specific poster.

-- Edited by Carol15 on Monday 17th of November 2014 12:05:54 AM
That's ridiculous. If you hold one faith--you aren't going to have a completely different one, as well. Absurd.

But, husker, you (well, maybe not YOU) can admire & respect tenets of more than ONE faith.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
I've never understood how one religion is right. Muslims don't agree with Christians. Christians don't agree with Muslims. Jews, Catholics, Mormon.....they are all different and I think it's arrogant to think that only one of these can be right.
EAch religion teaches it is the only one. To believe in it means to believe that. It's not arrogance - it's faith.
I think it's arrogant to believe there is only one. One religion, one right way to believe, etc. I don't think believing or having faith is arrogant.....it's not having room for anyone else's beliefs that feels arrogant to me.

To to be clear, I'm not referring to any specific poster.

-- Edited by Carol15 on Monday 17th of November 2014 12:05:54 AM
That's ridiculous. If you hold one faith--you aren't going to have a completely different one, as well. Absurd.
But, husker, you (well, maybe not YOU) can admire & respect tenets of more than ONE faith.
flan

Respect the right to hold those beliefs? Yes. Admire them? No.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

To say that anyone having faith that only one religion is right is to call everyone with any religious faith arrogant.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
I've never understood how one religion is right. Muslims don't agree with Christians. Christians don't agree with Muslims. Jews, Catholics, Mormon.....they are all different and I think it's arrogant to think that only one of these can be right.
EAch religion teaches it is the only one. To believe in it means to believe that. It's not arrogance - it's faith.
I think it's arrogant to believe there is only one. One religion, one right way to believe, etc. I don't think believing or having faith is arrogant.....it's not having room for anyone else's beliefs that feels arrogant to me.

To to be clear, I'm not referring to any specific poster.

-- Edited by Carol15 on Monday 17th of November 2014 12:05:54 AM
That's ridiculous. If you hold one faith--you aren't going to have a completely different one, as well. Absurd.
But, husker, you (well, maybe not YOU) can admire & respect tenets of more than ONE faith.
flan
Respect the right to hold those beliefs? Yes. Admire them? No.

I'm telling you that I can.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
I've never understood how one religion is right. Muslims don't agree with Christians. Christians don't agree with Muslims. Jews, Catholics, Mormon.....they are all different and I think it's arrogant to think that only one of these can be right.
EAch religion teaches it is the only one. To believe in it means to believe that. It's not arrogance - it's faith.
I think it's arrogant to believe there is only one. One religion, one right way to believe, etc. I don't think believing or having faith is arrogant.....it's not having room for anyone else's beliefs that feels arrogant to me.

To to be clear, I'm not referring to any specific poster.

-- Edited by Carol15 on Monday 17th of November 2014 12:05:54 AM
That's ridiculous. If you hold one faith--you aren't going to have a completely different one, as well. Absurd.
But, husker, you (well, maybe not YOU) can admire & respect tenets of more than ONE faith.
flan
Respect the right to hold those beliefs? Yes. Admire them? No.
I'm telling you that I can.
flan

And that is because you don't have faith that adheres to one.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
I've never understood how one religion is right. Muslims don't agree with Christians. Christians don't agree with Muslims. Jews, Catholics, Mormon.....they are all different and I think it's arrogant to think that only one of these can be right.
EAch religion teaches it is the only one. To believe in it means to believe that. It's not arrogance - it's faith.
I think it's arrogant to believe there is only one. One religion, one right way to believe, etc. I don't think believing or having faith is arrogant.....it's not having room for anyone else's beliefs that feels arrogant to me.

To to be clear, I'm not referring to any specific poster.

-- Edited by Carol15 on Monday 17th of November 2014 12:05:54 AM
That's ridiculous. If you hold one faith--you aren't going to have a completely different one, as well. Absurd.
But, husker, you (well, maybe not YOU) can admire & respect tenets of more than ONE faith.
flan

But even if you "respect" them--that doesn't mean you think they are right and you are wrong. That's silly.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
I've never understood how one religion is right. Muslims don't agree with Christians. Christians don't agree with Muslims. Jews, Catholics, Mormon.....they are all different and I think it's arrogant to think that only one of these can be right.
EAch religion teaches it is the only one. To believe in it means to believe that. It's not arrogance - it's faith.
I think it's arrogant to believe there is only one. One religion, one right way to believe, etc. I don't think believing or having faith is arrogant.....it's not having room for anyone else's beliefs that feels arrogant to me.

To to be clear, I'm not referring to any specific poster.

-- Edited by Carol15 on Monday 17th of November 2014 12:05:54 AM
That's ridiculous. If you hold one faith--you aren't going to have a completely different one, as well. Absurd.
But, husker, you (well, maybe not YOU) can admire & respect tenets of more than ONE faith.
flan
Respect the right to hold those beliefs? Yes. Admire them? No.
I'm telling you that I can.
flan

Because you don't have a particular faith.

PotteryChick · Member

huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
I've never understood how one religion is right. Muslims don't agree with Christians. Christians don't agree with Muslims. Jews, Catholics, Mormon.....they are all different and I think it's arrogant to think that only one of these can be right.
EAch religion teaches it is the only one. To believe in it means to believe that. It's not arrogance - it's faith.
I think it's arrogant to believe there is only one. One religion, one right way to believe, etc. I don't think believing or having faith is arrogant.....it's not having room for anyone else's beliefs that feels arrogant to me.

To to be clear, I'm not referring to any specific poster.

-- Edited by Carol15 on Monday 17th of November 2014 12:05:54 AM
That's ridiculous. If you hold one faith--you aren't going to have a completely different one, as well. Absurd.
But, husker, you (well, maybe not YOU) can admire & respect tenets of more than ONE faith.
flan
Respect the right to hold those beliefs? Yes. Admire them? No.
I'm telling you that I can.
flan
Because you don't have a particular faith.

This is an absurd statement. My dh and I are committed Catholics and both of us are able to admire and respect other religions. We have often visited other denominations when visiting friends.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

There are things I see other religions do that I am impressed with.

Even the Muslims. They pray 5 times a day. They stop whatever they are doing and take time to pray. That is something I could do more of. Real praying.

The JW's visit. They get out and they really take the witnessing and visiting to heart. Would you give up your Saturdays to go door to door to tell others about your faith? Would you do it every single Saturday?

There are other things that are done by the different beliefs that can be a lesson to us as well.

Could you imagine the explosion of Christianity if we would get serious in our daily prayers and really get out there and witness and be the Church, not just sit in one for a couple hours on Sunday and throw a 20 in the basket and call it good?

huskerbb · Guru

PotteryChick wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
I've never understood how one religion is right. Muslims don't agree with Christians. Christians don't agree with Muslims. Jews, Catholics, Mormon.....they are all different and I think it's arrogant to think that only one of these can be right.
EAch religion teaches it is the only one. To believe in it means to believe that. It's not arrogance - it's faith.
I think it's arrogant to believe there is only one. One religion, one right way to believe, etc. I don't think believing or having faith is arrogant.....it's not having room for anyone else's beliefs that feels arrogant to me.

To to be clear, I'm not referring to any specific poster.

-- Edited by Carol15 on Monday 17th of November 2014 12:05:54 AM
That's ridiculous. If you hold one faith--you aren't going to have a completely different one, as well. Absurd.
But, husker, you (well, maybe not YOU) can admire & respect tenets of more than ONE faith.
flan
Respect the right to hold those beliefs? Yes. Admire them? No.
I'm telling you that I can.
flan
Because you don't have a particular faith.
This is an absurd statement. My dh and I are committed Catholics and both of us are able to admire and respect other religions. We have often visited other denominations when visiting friends.

But you don't think they are right--otherwise you'd have a different religion.

Also, there is a VAST difference if you are talking the relatively minor differences between Christian denominations--or completely different religions.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
There are things I see other religions do that I am impressed with.

Even the Muslims. They pray 5 times a day. They stop whatever they are doing and take time to pray. That is something I could do more of. Real praying.

The JW's visit. They get out and they really take the witnessing and visiting to heart. Would you give up your Saturdays to go door to door to tell others about your faith? Would you do it every single Saturday?

There are other things that are done by the different beliefs that can be a lesson to us as well.

Could you imagine the explosion of Christianity if we would get serious in our daily prayers and really get out there and witness and be the Church, not just sit in one for a couple hours on Sunday and throw a 20 in the basket and call it good?

Good points. Although, in the case of the JW's, they are trying to work their way to heaven which is the wrong message to send.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

PotteryChick wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Carol15 wrote:
I've never understood how one religion is right. Muslims don't agree with Christians. Christians don't agree with Muslims. Jews, Catholics, Mormon.....they are all different and I think it's arrogant to think that only one of these can be right.
EAch religion teaches it is the only one. To believe in it means to believe that. It's not arrogance - it's faith.
I think it's arrogant to believe there is only one. One religion, one right way to believe, etc. I don't think believing or having faith is arrogant.....it's not having room for anyone else's beliefs that feels arrogant to me.

To to be clear, I'm not referring to any specific poster.

-- Edited by Carol15 on Monday 17th of November 2014 12:05:54 AM
That's ridiculous. If you hold one faith--you aren't going to have a completely different one, as well. Absurd.
But, husker, you (well, maybe not YOU) can admire & respect tenets of more than ONE faith.
flan
Respect the right to hold those beliefs? Yes. Admire them? No.
I'm telling you that I can.
flan
Because you don't have a particular faith.
This is an absurd statement. My dh and I are committed Catholics and both of us are able to admire and respect other religions. We have often visited other denominations when visiting friends.

First - other "denominations" are not different religions. Catholics are Christian. The overall belief is the same - with differences being in the details.

Although, I am going to take back what I said a bit. I do admire those that are devout in their beliefs and Lily is right. The fact that Muslims adhere so strongly to their prayers is admirable.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Although, I am going to take back what I said a bit. I do admire those that are devout in their beliefs and Lily is right. The fact that Muslims adhere so strongly to their prayers is admirable.

Ya'll see that?!?!?!

Go me! biggrin biggrin biggrin

wild_blue · Newbie

lilyofcourse wrote:
There are things I see other religions do that I am impressed with.

Even the Muslims. They pray 5 times a day. They stop whatever they are doing and take time to pray. That is something I could do more of. Real praying.

The JW's visit. They get out and they really take the witnessing and visiting to heart. Would you give up your Saturdays to go door to door to tell others about your faith? Would you do it every single Saturday?

There are other things that are done by the different beliefs that can be a lesson to us as well.

Could you imagine the explosion of Christianity if we would get serious in our daily prayers and really get out there and witness and be the Church, not just sit in one for a couple hours on Sunday and throw a 20 in the basket and call it good?

I admire the women in the Russian Orthodox and Pentecostal churches who cover their hair for services. Also the Mennonites, who do it all the time. Frankly I just don't have that level of submission in me. Way too egalitarian. No one's gonna make me do something men don't have to do.

WYSIWYG · Guru

"If a Christian group wanted to use a mosque for their service--there is NO WAY that would ever be allowed to happen." - huskerbb

Are you saying the following didn't happen over 2 years ago?

Mosque Hosts Christian Church’s Easter Services
April 8, 2012

sacramento.cbslocal.com/2012/04/08/mosque-allows-christian-church-in-to-hold-easter-services/

huskerbb · Guru

There was nothing on the link when I clicked on it.

WYSIWYG · Guru

The link worked fine for me. Here's the story from there though:

SACRAMENTO (CBS13) – A Sacramento mosque broke religious barriers today when, for the first time, it allowed a Christian congregation inside to hold Easter services.

Spiritual Life Center lost its lease one week ago, leaving its parishioners without a place to worship for Easter. That’s when Salam Community Center on College Oak Drive offered its mosque to the Christian church.

“I mean, we saw the opportunity to help them,”said mosque spokesman Adnan Syed

Traditionally, non-Muslim churches are not allowed to hold meetings inside mosques.

Spiritual Life’s reverend, Michael Moran, called it history in the making.

“My heart is filled with generosity for the Muslim community to allow us to meet here today on Easter,” said Taylor Moran, a parishioner.

“I heard people are coming from the bay area — all over the place just to witness this one-of-a-kind event. And we’re just happy to be a part of it,” said Syed.

Worshipers packed the Salam Center for both Easter services to celebrate one of the most important days of the year for Christians.

“It’s just a once in a lifetime, and I hope it spreads,” said Molly White, a parishioner.

Today marks a breaking of tradition with the hopes of creating a new one.

“We’d love to see more of this not only here, but across the nation,” said Syed.

Spiritual Life Center is still looking for a new place to worship.

WYSIWYG · Guru

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