TOTALLY GEEKED!

lilyofcourse wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Not to mention that if the child was already dehydrated when she began, it was because the idiot adults didn't give her enough to drink.

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This is what I am saying.  

 

She had been to the doctor several time with an undiagnosed, mystery illness. There was MORE than this one instance. There is more to this. What was the underlying illness? Had she been dehydrated for a long time? What were the reasons she had been to the doctor so much? What sent her to the doctors?

What else was going on in that home life? What else is there to this?

Don't Ya'll get it? This was an end result of something that had been going on for a long time.

 

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 All that the answers to those questions will do is make the grandmother MORE guilty. The illnesses area  mystery to us, not to her family- you know, the people who made her run for 3 hours- If she was dehydrated for a long time it's on her family for not taking better care of her. Her family knows why she has been to the doctor so much, so if it has something to do with why she died, then they would have known before running her to death. 

Yes, I am certain something had been going on for a long time- which the grandmother would have better knowledge of than you and I- and ended with this young girl running until she died. 

Well you obviously have not been paying attention cause when I am wrong I say so.

Right now this is all conjecture. No one knows what was wrong with this child.

I am saying there is more. More that is not being revealed.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Not to mention that if the child was already dehydrated when she began, it was because the idiot adults didn't give her enough to drink.

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This is what I am saying.  

 

She had been to the doctor several time with an undiagnosed, mystery illness. There was MORE than this one instance. There is more to this. What was the underlying illness? Had she been dehydrated for a long time? What were the reasons she had been to the doctor so much? What sent her to the doctors?

What else was going on in that home life? What else is there to this?

Don't Ya'll get it? This was an end result of something that had been going on for a long time.

 

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 So what?  If the child was sickly, that's even MORE reason she should not have been made to run for 3 hours.  That makes Grandma MORE guilty. 

NAOW wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Not to mention that if the child was already dehydrated when she began, it was because the idiot adults didn't give her enough to drink.

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This is what I am saying.  

 

She had been to the doctor several time with an undiagnosed, mystery illness. There was MORE than this one instance. There is more to this. What was the underlying illness? Had she been dehydrated for a long time? What were the reasons she had been to the doctor so much? What sent her to the doctors?

What else was going on in that home life? What else is there to this?

Don't Ya'll get it? This was an end result of something that had been going on for a long time.

 

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 All that the answers to those questions will do is make the grandmother MORE guilty. The illnesses area  mystery to us, not to her family- you know, the people who made her run for 3 hours- If she was dehydrated for a long time it's on her family for not taking better care of her. Her family knows why she has been to the doctor so much, so if it has something to do with why she died, then they would have known before running her to death. 

Yes, I am certain something had been going on for a long time- which the grandmother would have better knowledge of than you and I- and ended with this young girl running until she died. 

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 I am not trying to make her NOT guilty.

Don't you see that? I am saying what else was going on.

I don't know how to word this differently.

What other abuse was going on? That is what I have been trying to say. what else was it?

lilyofcourse wrote:

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NAOW wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Not to mention that if the child was already dehydrated when she began, it was because the idiot adults didn't give her enough to drink.

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This is what I am saying.  

 

She had been to the doctor several time with an undiagnosed, mystery illness. There was MORE than this one instance. There is more to this. What was the underlying illness? Had she been dehydrated for a long time? What were the reasons she had been to the doctor so much? What sent her to the doctors?

What else was going on in that home life? What else is there to this?

Don't Ya'll get it? This was an end result of something that had been going on for a long time.

 

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 All that the answers to those questions will do is make the grandmother MORE guilty. The illnesses area  mystery to us, not to her family- you know, the people who made her run for 3 hours- If she was dehydrated for a long time it's on her family for not taking better care of her. Her family knows why she has been to the doctor so much, so if it has something to do with why she died, then they would have known before running her to death. 

Yes, I am certain something had been going on for a long time- which the grandmother would have better knowledge of than you and I- and ended with this young girl running until she died. 

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 I am not trying to make her NOT guilty.

Don't you see that? I am saying what else was going on.

I don't know how to word this differently.

What other abuse was going on? That is what I have been trying to say. what else was it?

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 No, that is not what you said.  You said this wasn't abuse because the child was already sick.

 

Guess what - the law doesn't care.  If you cause a death, it doesn't matter that it was easier to cause b/c the person wasn't healthy. 

 

 

Nice call, Tinydancer! 

You started off saying it wasn't even abuse. It is.

I will say, this is pretty much what I was told to do with my son when he was 10. Grounding didn't work, spanking didn't work. So on advice of a court counselor and the court, I was told to make him do physical exercise each time he disobeyed. For instance, I was to give him a chore. Moving rocks from one side of the yard to the other. He was not allowed inside until all of the rocks had been moved. It took him about 6 hours the first time. He was 10 years old.
He learned quickly that I was not messing around.

I'm not against physical chores. I can see how they can help. But even in your punishment. He was in control of how long. He could go as slow or as fast as he wanted or was able.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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Well you obviously have not been paying attention cause when I am wrong I say so.

Right now this is all conjecture. No one knows what was wrong with this child.

I am saying there is more. More that is not being revealed.

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 1. Likely her doctor knew.

2. The same doctor who told her family.

3. Oh em gee...it's a conspiracy!!!

flan

Lawyerlady wrote:

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NAOW wrote:

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I'm not against physical chores. I can see how they can help. But even in your punishment. He was in control of how long. He could go as slow or as fast as he wanted or was able.

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 And I'm pretty sure she let him have a drink.

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 Oh, I did...

I also stood at the window of a dark room and cried.   Broke my heart. 

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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Abuse is abuse.

Running and carrying firewood isn't. Not in my book. Maybe because I did both my whole life. It didn't kill me.

And don't give me that "did you do it at the same time" crap. At times, yes.

I am not defending what was done. I haven't the first time. I have questioned the reason why that made a 9 year old dehydrate so quickly. I have asked questions instead of jumping on an emotional bandwagon.

Yes it is horrible that a child died. But the carrying wood and running is not abuse.

I don't know why you cant separate the two.

Everything is not abuse.

Extreme punishment? So a whipping is abuse? Is standing in the corner for 30 minutes abuse if the kid is 7? Is making a child move everything in the garage and clean it out by himself abuse? There are all kinds of punishments that a lot of you would consider extreme. I bet you consider the punishments you extreme.

you can get mad at me all you want, I don't care. I still say the carrying wood and running is not abuse. But what ever caused the extreme dehydration could be. I don't believe it was the 3 hours that is being talked about. I believe it is something more.

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 No one is saying running and carrying firewood is abuse. Being forced to run and carry firewood for THREE HOURS STRAIGHT is abuse. With out stopping. Without taking a drink of water. Vomiting from overexertion and still making them keep running.

Please tell me how many times you did that? Or made your kids do that? 

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I doubt that is even what happened. I doubt the prosecution can come close to proving it did.   

Grandma told the bus driver she would " run her until she can't run no more". She wasn't doing chores. This was punishment. The ME said it is homicide. She vomited and they continued to make her run.

She got off the bus alive and healthy. 3 hrs later she was dead.

husker, I hope you & Lily will be very happy together...

flan

Take my word for it. If they are considering the death penalty... they know a lot more than you do. I know you want to be all hard azzed with your discipline and sh!t, and what you did or done to your kid, but clearly you can't see past that. This was not discipline. This was abuse.

huskerbb wrote:

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msrock wrote:

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Take my word for it. If they are considering the death penalty... they know a lot more than you do. I know you want to be all hard azzed with your discipline and sh!t, and what you did or done to your kid, but clearly you can't see past that. This was not discipline. This was abuse.

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Not all death penalty cases result in conviction.   

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 And not all those acquitted are innocent.

msrock wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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msrock wrote:

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Take my word for it. If they are considering the death penalty... they know a lot more than you do. I know you want to be all hard azzed with your discipline and sh!t, and what you did or done to your kid, but clearly you can't see past that. This was not discipline. This was abuse.

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Not all death penalty cases result in conviction.   

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No sh!t.  But apparently they have enough evidence that the prosecution thinks the death penalty is warranted in this situation.  This isn't some run of the mill, running, log carrying sh!t that your kids had to endure.  So quit making it about you and your parenting methods.

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WTF are you even babbling about? 

I never said anything about my kids carrying logs or any such thing.   

huskerbb wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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msrock wrote:

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Take my word for it. If they are considering the death penalty... they know a lot more than you do. I know you want to be all hard azzed with your discipline and sh!t, and what you did or done to your kid, but clearly you can't see past that. This was not discipline. This was abuse.

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Not all death penalty cases result in conviction.   

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 And not all those acquitted are innocent.

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And not all those convicted are guilty.  So what's your point?   

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 That this woman caused her grandchild to die through abuse and/or neglect.  So, even IF she is not convicted, she is still guilty.

huskerbb wrote:

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msrock wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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msrock wrote:

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Take my word for it. If they are considering the death penalty... they know a lot more than you do. I know you want to be all hard azzed with your discipline and sh!t, and what you did or done to your kid, but clearly you can't see past that. This was not discipline. This was abuse.

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Not all death penalty cases result in conviction.   

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No sh!t.  But apparently they have enough evidence that the prosecution thinks the death penalty is warranted in this situation.  This isn't some run of the mill, running, log carrying sh!t that your kids had to endure.  So quit making it about you and your parenting methods.

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WTF are you even babbling about? 

I never said anything about my kids carrying logs or any such thing.   

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Excuse me.  I'm babbling to the ones who think what grandma did was discipline.  Prosecution would not look to the death penalty if her actions were disciplinary.  This was abuse.  A 9 year old is dead because grandma decided she was gonna run her till she could run no more.  That is what she said.  She was right.  Apparently some of the posters agree with her.

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Do you know why Casey Anthony is walking around free today?

Because the prosecutors were too ambitious in their charges.

If they had gone for a lesser charge that woman would be rotting in prison right now.

This case is going to be the same way if they are over zealous in their charges.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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Do you know why Casey Anthony is walking around free today?

Because the prosecutors were too ambitious in their charges.

If they had gone for a lesser charge that woman would be rotting in prison right now.

This case is going to be the same way if they are over zealous in their charges.

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 Because of people like you.

msrock wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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I doubt it happened like that. I've seen kids "run". She probably ran for 5 minutes, then dawdled around, then got yelled at, then ran for a few more minutes, then she got yelled at again, then grandma went in the house for a half hour and she wasn't running then, then grandma came back out and she ran for a few more minutes.

I doubt she ran for more than a half hour total.

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You obviously haven't been paying attention.  I'm glad your not on the jury. 

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You don't know it was any different than that.  

msrock wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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Do you know why Casey Anthony is walking around free today?

Because the prosecutors were too ambitious in their charges.

If they had gone for a lesser charge that woman would be rotting in prison right now.

This case is going to be the same way if they are over zealous in their charges.

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 Because of people like you.

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Yeah. People like me who want proof and not just emotional knee jerks.

I believe the prosecutors would have gotten a conviction for negligent homicide. But not first degree.

And if they had been seeking life instead of the death penalty.

 

If this case is going to prove to be more than a media sensation then they need to make sure they are not waving the wrong banner.

 

Same with Zimmerman. If they had sought a lesser charge, he would be in prison too.

 

You just might be the biggest hard azz in the world... it's clouding your judgement. You literally don't understand that your actions have consequences and in this case it's death. You can't even comprehend dehydration! You just so want to be right. You're not. This didn't need to happen.