Pulled up at a quick stop the other day. Two men were in the parking lot. One of them had a gun and was showing it to the other.
No one freaked the fvck out. The police were not called.
According to the illogic on here, they should have been automatically shot since they had a gun in the proximity of other people.
It would have been different if they'd done it here, or if they'd looked like gang-bangers, or if one had pointed the gun at another's head.
If they look like YOU then no one thinks of them as armed criminals. Is that your point?
So...people should be shot because of what they look like?
Boy are you proving the rioters right. That's exactly their issue--people getting shot because of what they look like, and that's exactly what you are advocating.
Can you understand that there's a difference between "advocating" something, vs. recognizing reality?
Only if you aren't willing to change attitudes.
What are you talking about?
You buy into and reinforce prevailing stereotypes.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
apparently not many of you have ever been shot (or shot at)--it happens in an instant--you need to consider what goes through someone's mind " in the moment " -- you roll up on a situation like this, it has already been dispatched as something along the lines of " an armed juvenile waving a gun around in a park " ( sic )--so here we are, here's the kid with the weapon in sight ( sans the red tip ), you can say whatever you want however you want, the kid begins to draw the weapon out, you can: ( hopefully ) wait for him to throw it away, set it on the ground, etc. and you've taken one hell of a chance and everyone's alive OR he draws the weapon out and begins to POINT IT AT YOU ( miliseconds, mind you ) and now you're LOOKING DOWN THE BARREL of what appears to be the genuine article and NOW one ( or BOTH ) of you are going to get shot--sure, there may have been alternatives to their method but they were acting directly to contain the threat, to protect innocent kids / bystanders from potential injury / death
keep in mind that there are " kids " killing other " kids " all over the country, all the time, with real firearms
whether they were right or wrong i can't say for sure--i wasn't there--but i can understand their state of mind and i don't think they intentionally murdered that kid--no way
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" the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. "--edmund burke
apparently not many of you have ever been shot (or shot at)--it happens in an instant--you need to consider what goes through someone's mind " in the moment " -- you roll up on a situation like this, it has already been dispatched as something along the lines of " an armed juvenile waving a gun around in a park " ( sic )--so here we are, here's the kid with the weapon in sight ( sans the red tip ), you can say whatever you want however you want, the kid begins to draw the weapon out, you can: ( hopefully ) wait for him to throw it away, set it on the ground, etc. and you've taken one hell of a chance and everyone's alive OR he draws the weapon out and begins to POINT IT AT YOU ( miliseconds, mind you ) and now you're LOOKING DOWN THE BARREL of what appears to be the genuine article and NOW one ( or BOTH ) of you are going to get shot--sure, there may have been alternatives to their method but they were acting directly to contain the threat, to protect innocent kids / bystanders from potential injury / death
keep in mind that there are " kids " killing other " kids " all over the country, all the time, with real firearms
whether they were right or wrong i can't say for sure--i wasn't there--but i can understand their state of mind and i don't think they intentionally murdered that kid--no way
I don't think they intentionally murdered him, either--BUT--the standard for use of deadly force CANNOT be simply having possession of a firearm, real or fake.
If that is the standard, then any hunter, any person legally carrying (because the police would have no way of knowing whether any individual has a conceal carry or not)--would be fair game to be shot simply because they have a firearm.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
apparently not many of you have ever been shot (or shot at)--it happens in an instant--you need to consider what goes through someone's mind " in the moment " -- you roll up on a situation like this, it has already been dispatched as something along the lines of " an armed juvenile waving a gun around in a park " ( sic )--so here we are, here's the kid with the weapon in sight ( sans the red tip ), you can say whatever you want however you want, the kid begins to draw the weapon out, you can: ( hopefully ) wait for him to throw it away, set it on the ground, etc. and you've taken one hell of a chance and everyone's alive OR he draws the weapon out and begins to POINT IT AT YOU ( miliseconds, mind you ) and now you're LOOKING DOWN THE BARREL of what appears to be the genuine article and NOW one ( or BOTH ) of you are going to get shot--sure, there may have been alternatives to their method but they were acting directly to contain the threat, to protect innocent kids / bystanders from potential injury / death
keep in mind that there are " kids " killing other " kids " all over the country, all the time, with real firearms
whether they were right or wrong i can't say for sure--i wasn't there--but i can understand their state of mind and i don't think they intentionally murdered that kid--no way
We aren't talking about Joe Schmo coming up a scene. We are talking about TRAINED professional cops who are taught ways to discern the situation and how to understand a dangerous, immediately lethal situation from one that isn't. They weren't "looking down a barrel". The gun was in his pants.
apparently not many of you have ever been shot (or shot at)--it happens in an instant--you need to consider what goes through someone's mind " in the moment " -- you roll up on a situation like this, it has already been dispatched as something along the lines of " an armed juvenile waving a gun around in a park " ( sic )--so here we are, here's the kid with the weapon in sight ( sans the red tip ), you can say whatever you want however you want, the kid begins to draw the weapon out, you can: ( hopefully ) wait for him to throw it away, set it on the ground, etc. and you've taken one hell of a chance and everyone's alive OR he draws the weapon out and begins to POINT IT AT YOU ( miliseconds, mind you ) and now you're LOOKING DOWN THE BARREL of what appears to be the genuine article and NOW one ( or BOTH ) of you are going to get shot--sure, there may have been alternatives to their method but they were acting directly to contain the threat, to protect innocent kids / bystanders from potential injury / death
keep in mind that there are " kids " killing other " kids " all over the country, all the time, with real firearms
whether they were right or wrong i can't say for sure--i wasn't there--but i can understand their state of mind and i don't think they intentionally murdered that kid--no way
I don't think they intentionally murdered him, either--BUT--the standard for use of deadly force CANNOT be simply having possession of a firearm, real or fake.
If that is the standard, then any hunter, any person legally carrying (because the police would have no way of knowing whether any individual has a conceal carry or not)--would be fair game to be shot simply because they have a firearm.
Husker I really think that is WHY the media doesn't take up on these kinds of stories. The Left WANTS that to be the situation. Obama himself talked about having his "armed Brownshirts" and a police force equipped just like the military.
So, if you are now in fear to even be in possession of a LEGAL weapon, then that is the whole point. And, just think ,when someone has a legally concealed weapon, well then automatically that person must be gunned down because if they are concealing a weapon then of course that is meant for harm and they intend to shoot everyone around them.
you're missing the entire point, gaga--the kid was in a PUBLIC park--cops are sworn to PROTECT THE PUBLIC--they were doing their job--regards obama's brownshirts, that sort of nonsense might go over on the east coast but if they tried that here ( or quite a few other places around our country ) those " brownshirts " would be d e a d--dead--believe it
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" the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. "--edmund burke
you're missing the entire point, gaga--the kid was in a PUBLIC park--cops are sworn to PROTECT THE PUBLIC--they were doing their job--regards obama's brownshirts, that sort of nonsense might go over on the east coast but if they tried that here ( or quite a few other places around our country ) those " brownshirts " would be d e a d--dead--believe it
No, you are missing the point. Again, using your illogic, then anyone who ever carries a weapon on public property--including just walking down the street--is automatically assumed to be a threat, and therefore must be shot. That's absurd.
Plus, as it happens, in this case, there was NOTHING to protect the public from--at least not more than possibly getting their windows shot out (which there is ZERO evidence that is what this kid was doing, but sometimes kids do that).
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Again, using your illogic, then anyone who ever carries a weapon on public property --including just walking down the street--is automatically assumed to be a threat, and therefore must be shot.
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again, you're missing the point as well--unbelievable
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" the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. "--edmund burke
Again, using your illogic, then anyone who ever carries a weapon on public property --including just walking down the street--is automatically assumed to be a threat, and therefore must be shot. __________________________________________________________________________________________________________
again, you're missing the point as well--unbelievable
You have yet to make a cogent point, so it's easy to miss.
You want anyone who carries a weapon in any situation--at least on "public" property--to be gunned down. The gun control nuts must love you.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
You have yet to make a cogent point, so it's easy to miss.
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LOL--certainly easy for YOU to miss
You want anyone who carries a weapon in any situation--at least on "public" property--to be gunned down.
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LOL--nowhere did i state or imply this--you're leaping to the wrong conclusions as usual--your propensity for doing so gets tiresome
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" the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. "--edmund burke
You have yet to make a cogent point, so it's easy to miss. ____________________________________________
LOL--certainly easy for YOU to miss
You want anyone who carries a weapon in any situation--at least on "public" property--to be gunned down. _________________________________________________________________________________
LOL--nowhere did i state or imply this--you're leaping to the wrong conclusions as usual--your propensity for doing so gets tiresome
You absolutely did. You said the police had the duty to protect those in a public park. This kid had possession of a weapon which is the only thing he was doing at the time he was shot--possessing it. Yet you think he deserved to be shot.
What is the difference between this kid and any other person who might be in possession of a weapon? Nothing.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
you're missing the entire point, gaga--the kid was in a PUBLIC park--cops are sworn to PROTECT THE PUBLIC--they were doing their job--regards obama's brownshirts, that sort of nonsense might go over on the east coast but if they tried that here ( or quite a few other places around our country ) those " brownshirts " would be d e a d--dead--believe it
It isn't ILLEGAL to walk around in PUBLIC with a weapon.
The cops need to assess the situtation when they arrive and not rely on a 911caller. They pulled up within 10' of the kid, hopped out before the car had stopped and shot within 2 seconds.
Also concealed carry has been mentioned. That instance would be less of a concern as the gun is supposed to remain concealed. Open carry would be more of a problem, 44 states have some sort of law allowing open carry, CA used to be one. Police would be called for someone carrying a gun. Do you want the police to rely on the caler to assess the situation?
The can be wrong and even lie, like the walmart shooting with a guy carrying and airsoft rifle.
I would think someone from Texas would be more supportive of the 2nd amendment.
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have been an NRA member, associated with B & C Club, a Fair Chase Hunter, a handgun / longarm enthusiast ( have competed at the state level in both ) for, would guess, nearly as long as you've been alive
but this isn't a Second Amendment issue--if anything, it MIGHT be an incident of excessive use of force--i wasn't there so cannot say for certain--again, i might have acted in a manner identical to these officers and i might not have--i wasn't there
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" the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. "--edmund burke
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have been an NRA member, associated with B & C Club, a Fair Chase Hunter, a handgun / longarm enthusiast ( have competed at the state level in both ) for, would guess, nearly as long as you've been alive
but this isn't a Second Amendment issue--if anything, it MIGHT be an incident of excessive use of force--i wasn't there so cannot say for certain--again, i might have acted in a manner identical to these officers and i might not have--i wasn't there
Of course it is. He was shot for NOTHING other than being in possession of a weapon--and a fake one, at that.
He hadn't shot anyone. No one was in immediate danger.
When the cops arrived on the scene, it was not even in his hand.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.