TOTALLY GEEKED!

huskerbb · Guru

RE: Foreskin: Keep or Cut?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Circumcision IS a surgical procedure. You have to sign a consent form for it.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Circumcision IS a surgical procedure. You have to sign a consent form for it.

No way.

I've been through two of them (three if you count my own). I don't know what my parents did--but I didn't have to sign any forms. The doctor asked us if we wanted it done, and it wasn't 30 seconds later and it was done.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

It's like trying to argue that fish can't swim or something. Who has time for such idiocy?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

You signed something somewhere. Trust me. But I'm not going to argue. I'm a nurse. It's a surgical procedure. I don't really give a damn what people do one way or another. I don't care. I do know it's a surgical procedure.

voiceofreason · Guru

I don't own my children's bodies. I'm not comfortable making changes to their bodies that can't be undone. I wouldn't tattoo my kid either. Or pierce their ears until they were old enough to say they wanted it. It's my prerogative like it's any other parents perogative.

Societal pressures are primarily why this procedure occurs, imho.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

voiceofreason wrote:
I don't own my children's bodies. I'm not comfortable making changes to their bodies that can't be undone. I wouldn't tattoo my kid either. Or pierce their ears until they were old enough to say they wanted it. It's my prerogative like it's any other parents perogative.

Societal pressures are primarily why this procedure occurs, imho.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
You signed something somewhere. Trust me. But I'm not going to argue. I'm a nurse. It's a surgical procedure. I don't really give a damn what people do one way or another. I don't care. I do know it's a surgical procedure.

No, I did not, and neither did my wife. The doctor asked if we wanted it done, we looked at each other, said yes, and before I could even turn around, it was already done. From the time he asked us to the time it was finished it didn't take 30 seconds. There wasn't even a discussion of a form, and certainly no time to present us with one.

huskerbb · Guru

voiceofreason wrote:
I don't own my children's bodies. I'm not comfortable making changes to their bodies that can't be undone. I wouldn't tattoo my kid either. Or pierce their ears until they were old enough to say they wanted it. It's my prerogative like it's any other parents perogative.

Societal pressures are primarily why this procedure occurs, imho.

People who actually know something on the subject disagree with you.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
It's like trying to argue that fish can't swim or something. Who has time for such idiocy?

Quit demonstrating such.

voiceofreason · Guru

Huh. 30 seconds.

huskerbb · Guru

I find it beyond laughable that the most vociferous opponents of this--have really ZERO vested interest in it.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Oh only you can have an opinion? Ok.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
I find it beyond laughable that the most vociferous opponents of this--have really ZERO vested interest in it.

I've never met a circumcised man who complained about it. LOL. But DAMN, can you imagine having to choose to do that as an adult, AFTER puberty. OUCH.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Oh only you can have an opinion? Ok.

It's rather like someone who never, ever, has any interest in traveling to Europe weighing in on various tourist attractions there. You can have an opinion, but it really doesn't matter because it will never, ever affect you.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Maybe the size of your penis determines if it is actual " surgery"!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
I find it beyond laughable that the most vociferous opponents of this--have really ZERO vested interest in it.

Yeah i birthed 2 sons soooooo that was partly my decision. Wow.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Maybe the size of your penis determines if it is actual " surgery"!

Maybe. Therefore, on infants, it's not. As boys grow older and mature--and their penises get larger, then it probably would be considered surgery.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I find it beyond laughable that the most vociferous opponents of this--have really ZERO vested interest in it.
I've never met a circumcised man who complained about it. LOL. But DAMN, can you imagine having to choose to do that as an adult, AFTER puberty. OUCH.

My ex had to. He had a flap of skin that grew funny and pulled when it was erect. He had to have that one little flap cut. He said it wasn't a big deal. We were married at the time.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I find it beyond laughable that the most vociferous opponents of this--have really ZERO vested interest in it.
Yeah i birthed 2 sons soooooo that was partly my decision. Wow.

But you still have no vested interest in the outcome. You neither have to live with the consequences either way, or have any direct experience doing so.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

It does require a surgical consent. But if u want to pretend otherwise go ahead and spread your usual misinformation.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I find it beyond laughable that the most vociferous opponents of this--have really ZERO vested interest in it.
I've never met a circumcised man who complained about it. LOL. But DAMN, can you imagine having to choose to do that as an adult, AFTER puberty. OUCH.
My ex had to. He had a flap of skin that grew funny and pulled when it was erect. He had to have that one little flap cut. He said it wasn't a big deal. We were married at the time.

And there you go.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I find it beyond laughable that the most vociferous opponents of this--have really ZERO vested interest in it.
Yeah i birthed 2 sons soooooo that was partly my decision. Wow.
But you still have no vested interest in the outcome. You neither have to live with the consequences either way, or have any direct experience doing so.

Yeah no vested interest in my sons well being. If course not.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I find it beyond laughable that the most vociferous opponents of this--have really ZERO vested interest in it.
I've never met a circumcised man who complained about it. LOL. But DAMN, can you imagine having to choose to do that as an adult, AFTER puberty. OUCH.
My ex had to. He had a flap of skin that grew funny and pulled when it was erect. He had to have that one little flap cut. He said it wasn't a big deal. We were married at the time.
And there you go.

Then why are you arguing it is such a terrible thing after puberty as an adult?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
It does require a surgical consent. But if u want to pretend otherwise go ahead and spread your usual misinformation.

I'm sure those mohels get surgical consent every time.

The procedure doesn't even require stitches!

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I find it beyond laughable that the most vociferous opponents of this--have really ZERO vested interest in it.
I've never met a circumcised man who complained about it. LOL. But DAMN, can you imagine having to choose to do that as an adult, AFTER puberty. OUCH.
My ex had to. He had a flap of skin that grew funny and pulled when it was erect. He had to have that one little flap cut. He said it wasn't a big deal. We were married at the time.
And there you go.

Shrug. I just know from him. I think he got four stitches. He said it wasn't painful. I know I laughed at him a lot.

I find this topic interesting because I have a MIL in Spain, a BIL in Ireland, and three cousins in Europe. They are all nurses. Whenever this conversation comes up on the board I talk to them about it. They always laugh at the Americans. No one over there does it routinely and no one is having the problems the AAP says we will have here. Their stats just don't back it up. And STD's can be prevented through condoms. DH's step mother, who is a nurse here, thinks not circumcising is hideous. HIDEOUS. It's a cultural thing people. It really is.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I find it beyond laughable that the most vociferous opponents of this--have really ZERO vested interest in it.
I've never met a circumcised man who complained about it. LOL. But DAMN, can you imagine having to choose to do that as an adult, AFTER puberty. OUCH.
My ex had to. He had a flap of skin that grew funny and pulled when it was erect. He had to have that one little flap cut. He said it wasn't a big deal. We were married at the time.
And there you go.
Then why are you arguing it is such a terrible thing after puberty as an adult?

The research says it's MORE painful as an adult. If an adult says it's no big deal, it would be less so for an infant.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I find it beyond laughable that the most vociferous opponents of this--have really ZERO vested interest in it.
I've never met a circumcised man who complained about it. LOL. But DAMN, can you imagine having to choose to do that as an adult, AFTER puberty. OUCH.
My ex had to. He had a flap of skin that grew funny and pulled when it was erect. He had to have that one little flap cut. He said it wasn't a big deal. We were married at the time.
And there you go.
Shrug. I just know from him. I think he got four stitches. He said it wasn't painful. I know I laughed at him a lot.
I find this topic interesting because I have a MIL in Spain, a BIL in Ireland, and three cousins in Europe. They are all nurses. Whenever this conversation comes up on the board I talk to them about it. They always laugh at the Americans. No one over there does it routinely and no one is having the problems the AAP says we will have here. Their stats just don't back it up. And STD's can be prevented through condoms. DH's step mother, who is a nurse here, thinks not circumcising is hideous. HIDEOUS. It's a cultural thing people. It really is.

The stats do back it up. European countries have a higher level of STDs than we do. Actually, MANY other countries have higher levels of STDs than we do. Which is shocking, really, considering how sexualized this nation is.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Well, generally they don't numb infants. They say infants don't feel the pain so they just cut and be done with it. A lot of nurses won't take part in it because they say the babies cry horribly. My ex had a ton of numbing stuff and pain pills. So I'm not sure you can really compare it.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I find it beyond laughable that the most vociferous opponents of this--have really ZERO vested interest in it.
I've never met a circumcised man who complained about it. LOL. But DAMN, can you imagine having to choose to do that as an adult, AFTER puberty. OUCH.
My ex had to. He had a flap of skin that grew funny and pulled when it was erect. He had to have that one little flap cut. He said it wasn't a big deal. We were married at the time.
And there you go.
Shrug. I just know from him. I think he got four stitches. He said it wasn't painful. I know I laughed at him a lot.
I find this topic interesting because I have a MIL in Spain, a BIL in Ireland, and three cousins in Europe. They are all nurses. Whenever this conversation comes up on the board I talk to them about it. They always laugh at the Americans. No one over there does it routinely and no one is having the problems the AAP says we will have here. Their stats just don't back it up. And STD's can be prevented through condoms. DH's step mother, who is a nurse here, thinks not circumcising is hideous. HIDEOUS. It's a cultural thing people. It really is.

But getting it done as an infant required ZERO stitches.

The stats don't back up what you say. They use Europe as part of the comparison.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Well, generally they don't numb infants. They say infants don't feel the pain so they just cut and be done with it. A lot of nurses won't take part in it because they say the babies cry horribly. My ex had a ton of numbing stuff and pain pills. So I'm not sure you can really compare it.

Neither one of our boys cried at all. The wailed and carried on a LOT more when we went to cut their fingernails or hair for the first time.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

They botched SS's circumcision.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
They botched SS's circumcision.

That is bad. It's hard to believe an actual doctor botched it since Jewish guys who are not doctors do it all the time. Hopefully he lost his license.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well I guess husker can not comment on any female or mothering issues or ANY issue that doesn't directly affect his body orlife.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
They botched SS's circumcision.
That is bad. It's hard to believe an actual doctor botched it since Jewish guys who are not doctors do it all the time. Hopefully he lost his license.

Nope. DH didn't want it done but his mom did so they let the doctor do it. They had to go back in at three months and operate to fix whatever they did wrong. The doctor is still practicing.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Well I guess husker can not comment on any female or mothering issues or ANY issue that doesn't directly affect his body orlife.

Um, I would suppose that my opinions on motherhood and giving birth would carry less weight than a woman's. I've been told so over and over on here, so why would it change now?