TOTALLY GEEKED!

karl271 wrote:

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I hesitate to stick my oar in here.
Lots of horrid things were performed by the Japanese Military in WWII and most of them are still unknown to the Japanese population living in Japan. That part of the War has been pretty well erased from any history books over here (if it was ever included.) My wife continues to be amazed at things that turn up on the international news (BBC CNN, etc) about things that happened in WWII. Never heard of most of them.

Don't think you can compare those acts to the internment of the Japanese in the US. Blame it on hysteria, Yellow Peril (wonder how many of you have heard of that?) or some other reason. Were they treated well, not exactly. The barracks were pretty primitive, they did lose everything, etc. but it does not match a prison camp or wholesale slaughter (think of the Philippines).

Can't happen again. Oh... I think the nationalistic spirit rising here could easily lead to a mind set similar to WWII, not that the country would declare war or invade anyone. As far as the Japanese being so polite and nice to all you - the reason is usually given that it is just easier. Smile and go along; anyway you visitors will leave soon, anyway.

I see that although I hesitated, I really stuck my oar in.

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 Karl, I remember starting to have conversations about the war with some of my adult students, and realized very quickly that they really hadn't been taught true history, and it would not be a good conversation - so I avoided it when I could.  And while I was there, the young generation was EXTREMELY nice and friendly to the Americans, but the elderly people?  Most of them would ignore us or turn and walk away.

huskerbb wrote:

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Empyreal wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Empyreal wrote:

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Nina has 4 Oranges that she bought from the Orange and Apple store on State Street. Uh oh!!! I used Apples and Oranges in the same sentence! That means I am saying they are the same thing! Lordy B' Gordy!

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People compare apples and oranges all the time--sort of like you were doing, only yours was WAY worse.  At least apples and oranges are both fruit.  

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 You said I thought of them both the same way.  I didn't say anything other than that some bad stuff was happening on both sides.  You can't tell anything about my thinking based on that.  You just like to go bananas about things on the internet.

Hey look, bananas!  I definitely don't morally compare those to apples and oranges.  

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Nor did you differentiate between them.  To say "bad things" happened on both sides automatically says that neither is worse than the other.  That's the default position.  You describe them BOTH as "bad". 

Ignorant.   

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 In the world of a nut.  

No?

Okay then! You are right! Again!!!

Empyreal wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Empyreal wrote:

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Can you show me where?

Let me guess. " I think some pretty bad stuff happened on both sides."

That isn't directly comparing the evil things they did to our soldiers to the internment of Japanese Americans. It's just saying that there was bad stuff happening on both sides.

No rating on the bad of either side was given.

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You put them in the same body of thought.  That is how things are compared.   

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 I didn't put them in the same body of thought.  I put them in the same body of a paragraph.  Unless you are somehow able to get in my mind, how would you know otherwise?  

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You use the EXACT SAME term to describe BOTH the Japanese atrocities, and the U.S. internment camps.  That is calling them morally equal. 

 

If you want to back up and change your words, I'm all ears--but you don't seem interested in doing so.   

You are closer to an Orange than a Banana because Oranges are circular.

"The ban just sounds petty, to me." - Fort Worth Mom

Most bans are. My favorite "petty" ban is the U.S. travel ban to Cuba, for all Americans.

Well, Ed, I can believe just about anything about WWII history as portrayed in Japan.... I actually believe that some people think the US just suddenly fire bombed Tokyo and then dropped a couple of A-bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki for no reason whatsoever. Control the educational system and you can control a lot of what people believe. Fortunately (I think) with all the info available on the internet, etc., now it is more difficult to manage the news....
Maybe....

huskerbb wrote:

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Empyreal wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Empyreal wrote:

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Nina has 4 Oranges that she bought from the Orange and Apple store on State Street. Uh oh!!! I used Apples and Oranges in the same sentence! That means I am saying they are the same thing! Lordy B' Gordy!

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People compare apples and oranges all the time--sort of like you were doing, only yours was WAY worse.  At least apples and oranges are both fruit.  

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 You said I thought of them both the same way.  I didn't say anything other than that some bad stuff was happening on both sides.  You can't tell anything about my thinking based on that.  You just like to go bananas about things on the internet.

Hey look, bananas!  I definitely don't morally compare those to apples and oranges.  

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Nor did you differentiate between them.  To say "bad things" happened on both sides automatically says that neither is worse than the other.  That's the default position.  You describe them BOTH as "bad".  You describe both with the EXACT SAME TERM.

Ignorant.   

-- Edited by huskerbb on Tuesday 9th of December 2014 11:05:20 PM

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Well, Yeah. They are both bad. What word would you rather use? Are you trying to say they were good things?

Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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And you know when I first learned of the horrible American Japanese camps? In school. Because they taught it, they didn't deny it.

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 They didn't teach it in school, when I went.

flan

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 Well, it hadn't happened, yet. 

 

 

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 Good point! LOL

flan

My FIL sailed out of pear harbor 7 days before the attack. He knew a lot of sailors that died that day. His ship was hit by a kamazee and was a miracle that the ship did not blow up. That wasn't all the stories he told but a lot he kept to himself.

He use to tell my son and his other grandson all kinds of stories. I feel that we will get the true history from those that lived it then any thing out of a history book these days.

I understand what Husker is saying.

Honestly I am glad there are those who can do what needs to be done. Those who make the hard decisions and do the hard things.

Yes. It was bad that American Japanese were detained. They were kept separate from the others to make sure we as a whole were safe.

Those taken in war were held and treated worse than animals. They didn't do it for the greater good. They did it to eradicate a problem.

There are STILL POW's around the world. I don't see any of you stepping up to decry that. You want to focus on something that happened 70 years ago. POW's are STILL being tortured. All those American Japanese detainees were released to go back to their lives.

Yes. One WAS a bad thing. One is STILL a bad thing STILL happening and is WORSE than the bad thing ever thought about being.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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I understand what Husker is saying.

Honestly I am glad there are those who can do what needs to be done. Those who make the hard decisions and do the hard things.

Yes. It was bad that American Japanese were detained. They were kept separate from the others to make sure we as a whole were safe.

Those taken in war were held and treated worse than animals. They didn't do it for the greater good. They did it to eradicate a problem.

There are STILL POW's around the world. I don't see any of you stepping up to decry that. You want to focus on something that happened 70 years ago. POW's are STILL being tortured. All those American Japanese detainees were released to go back to their lives.

Yes. One WAS a bad thing. One is STILL a bad thing STILL happening and is WORSE than the bad thing ever thought about being.

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 Wait a minute... you are upset about the bolded, but think it's ok for us to torture POW's?

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Those tortured were not POWs. They were animals poised to bring down this country.

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 Yep

Bonny22Pye wrote:

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FNW wrote:

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Those tortured were not POWs. They were animals poised to bring down this country.

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 Have you read the report?  Some of them were enemy combatants picked up in Afghanistan fighting as a soldier.   

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So?  They want us wiped out.  Every one of them.  This isn't about just war, this is about annihilation... 

I was in the courtroom during the sentencing phase of Zacarias Moussaoui. I listened to the tape recording on flight 77, and heard the sounds of death of those on board. So, no, I have no sympathy for those animals.

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huskerbb wrote:

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Empyreal wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Empyreal wrote:

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Nina has 4 Oranges that she bought from the Orange and Apple store on State Street. Uh oh!!! I used Apples and Oranges in the same sentence! That means I am saying they are the same thing! Lordy B' Gordy!

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People compare apples and oranges all the time--sort of like you were doing, only yours was WAY worse.  At least apples and oranges are both fruit.  

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 You said I thought of them both the same way.  I didn't say anything other than that some bad stuff was happening on both sides.  You can't tell anything about my thinking based on that.  You just like to go bananas about things on the internet.

Hey look, bananas!  I definitely don't morally compare those to apples and oranges.  

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Nor did you differentiate between them.  To say "bad things" happened on both sides automatically says that neither is worse than the other.  That's the default position.  You describe them BOTH as "bad".  You describe both with the EXACT SAME TERM.

Ignorant.   

-- Edited by huskerbb on Tuesday 9th of December 2014 11:05:20 PM

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Well, Yeah. They are both bad. What word would you rather use? Are you trying to say they were good things?

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Saying that "bad things" happened on both sides sets them up as moral equivalents--which is BS.  They are NOT morally equivalent things.  

 

It's like saying that some kid pushing another on a playground--and Jeffrey Dahmer killing and eating his victims are both "bad".  It's a nonsense comparison.  They aren't even in the same stratosphere of "bad".