TOTALLY GEEKED!

Bonny22Pye · Guru

RE: Sorry. I Can't get all weepy about torturing terrorists.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Bonny22Pye wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
If our soldiers were labeled enemy combatants in another country and tortured would you be ok with that country behaving the way we are? The reason we have these international laws is to make sure all soldiers are treated some what fairly. Or at least we try to put some standards in place.

Since they ARE being tortured and killed I see no reason not to torture to get info to get them out.
Wouldn't you want those countries to be brought up on war crime charges?

This is not a war like The Gulf War or The Veitnam War or any other war.

This is a group of people who started out as a fringe group of thugs.

Now it is a WORLD WIDE organization. This is not a country we are fighting. This is a very well organized mafia.

I don't think people understand this.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Bonny22Pye wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
If our soldiers were labeled enemy combatants in another country and tortured would you be ok with that country behaving the way we are? The reason we have these international laws is to make sure all soldiers are treated some what fairly. Or at least we try to put some standards in place.

Since they ARE being tortured and killed I see no reason not to torture to get info to get them out.
Wouldn't you want those countries to be brought up on war crime charges?
No, I would like to see those countries wiped off the map. I'm dead serious. They started this mess, we need to finish it...
What about the innocent kids?

I can understand how the kid thing can bother you. Your own child is so little and you cant even imagine him ever doing anything malicious. He is too sweet. That is what ever mom is supposed to think and feel.

But in another 5 years, those babies that are the same age as yours will be carrying around the heads of their parents prisoners. They will be chanting "death to America". They will be training to do the exact same things their dads are doing.

In 5 year after that, they will be carrying out the same things their dads are teaching them. And worse.

So yes. I do feel for the innocent little children. I wish they didn't have to grow up to be the terrorists their fathers are raising them to be.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
If our soldiers were labeled enemy combatants in another country and tortured would you be ok with that country behaving the way we are? The reason we have these international laws is to make sure all soldiers are treated some what fairly. Or at least we try to put some standards in place.

Since they ARE being tortured and killed I see no reason not to torture to get info to get them out.
Wouldn't you want those countries to be brought up on war crime charges?
This is not a war like The Gulf War or The Veitnam War or any other war.
This is a group of people who started out as a fringe group of thugs.
Now it is a WORLD WIDE organization. This is not a country we are fighting. This is a very well organized mafia.
I don't think people understand this.

Actually - I have a very good understanding of this. We just don't agree.

Lindley · Guru

I thought I heard on the news that the Head of CIA wasn't even questioned during the investigation and the report wasn't accurate. Did anyone else hear this?

Lily is right, they are not targeting trained soldiers to much anymore but missionary's, and other kinds of aid workers who are there to help and journalist.

I wish I had a solution but something needs to be done. We have a right to protect our country and no I wouldn't want innocent life taken either. These cowardly thugs has bullied and tortured anyone who disagrees with them including innocent children their own people.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Bonny22Pye wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
If our soldiers were labeled enemy combatants in another country and tortured would you be ok with that country behaving the way we are? The reason we have these international laws is to make sure all soldiers are treated some what fairly. Or at least we try to put some standards in place.

Since they ARE being tortured and killed I see no reason not to torture to get info to get them out.
Wouldn't you want those countries to be brought up on war crime charges?
This is not a war like The Gulf War or The Veitnam War or any other war.
This is a group of people who started out as a fringe group of thugs.
Now it is a WORLD WIDE organization. This is not a country we are fighting. This is a very well organized mafia.
I don't think people understand this.
Actually - I have a very good understanding of this. We just don't agree.

Then you understand there are no "war crime charges" to be brought. So it really doesn't matter if that is what we would like to see happen. It wont.

But these people will continue to grow in numbers and strength at an alarming rate if we don't slow it down as much as possible.

We don't agree because you want these people to be treated with kid gloves and hope they like us.

I don't care I just want the information and the ability to slow this down as much as possible.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lindley wrote:
I thought I heard on the news that the Head of CIA wasn't even questioned during the investigation and the report wasn't accurate. Did anyone else hear this?

Lily is right, they are not targeting trained soldiers to much anymore but missionary's, and other kinds of aid workers who are there to help and journalist.

I wish I had a solution but something needs to be done. We have a right to protect our country and no I wouldn't want innocent life taken either. These cowardly thugs has bullied and tortured anyone who disagrees with them including innocent children their own people.

Yes. I have heard it is falsified and doctored to make it look as bad as possible.

And that makes a whole lot of sense.

Lindley · Guru

insider.foxnews.com/2014/12/12/rpt-isis-beheads-4-christian-children-iraq

How do we stop this? If a group of thugs has no regard for little children in their own country what would stop them from coming here? Recruiting other thugs. I wish I knew the answer that all will agree on.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

ISIS has beheaded four Christian children in Iraq, according to a source.

All four of the beheaded children were reportedly under the age of 15.

The Vicar of Baghdad, Canon Andrew White, said it happened because the children would not renounce Jesus and their faith.

Canon Andrew White, known as the “Vicar of Baghdad,” fled Iraq in October for Israel and recounted how brutal the country has become for Christians.

“ISIS turned up and said to the children, ‘You say the words that you will follow Mohammed,’ ” White said in video posted on the Christian Broadcasting Network Web site.

“The children, all under 15, four of them, they said, ‘No, we love Yeshua [Jesus], we have always loved Yeshua.’

“They chopped all their heads off.

“How do you respond to that? You just cry.”

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There you go. For those who cant get to it from work or other devices.

So? We should just hope it goes away? We should feel sorry for them?

What is it going to take for the gloves to come off and we actually do something about this?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lily, you should be in charge of the universe...

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
Lily, you should be in charge of the universe...

flan

That's all you got?

You see an article in which 4 children are beheaded and that is all you can come up with.

Wow. Just wow.

I don't know why I expected better.

-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Friday 12th of December 2014 02:38:25 PM

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lily, you should be in charge of the universe...

flan
That's all you got?
You see an article in which 4 children are beheaded and that is all you can come up with.
Wow. Just wow.
I don't know why I expected better.

-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Friday 12th of December 2014 02:38:25 PM

Ummm...because you have your blinders cemented on?

flan

Bonny22Pye · Guru

So killing 4 of their kids in retaliation makes it all better? oh, wait you want to nuke them all and kill all the kids. Yeah, that's helpful.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lily, you should be in charge of the universe...

flan
That's all you got?
You see an article in which 4 children are beheaded and that is all you can come up with.
Wow. Just wow.
I don't know why I expected better.

-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Friday 12th of December 2014 02:38:25 PM
Ummm...because you have your blinders cemented on?
flan

What am I NOT seeing?

I see a large group of thugs who are beheading innocent people.

And I see you wanting to feel sorry for them.

What about those 4 innocent kids? Don't you feel anything for them?

Don't you see that if we don't do what we cant to slow this down, it WILL be happening here. And it could some day be your own kids, grandkids?

But no. Let's give them warm cookies and cold milk and make sure these terrorists have all the freedom they want.

Why don't you go live with them? I am sure they would welcome you with open arms.

Tinydancer · Guru

Ok so no torture. What do we do to stop them? You're all ready to say don't do THAT but you won't say what should be done. It will be too late to change your mind once they're strong enough. Sit there in your utopia and the rest of us will make sure you're all safe.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Bonny22Pye wrote:
So killing 4 of their kids in retaliation makes it all better? oh, wait you want to nuke them all and kill all the kids. Yeah, that's helpful.

This is their own kids.
This is kids from their area.

You want to tell me again why I should feel sorry for them?

They kill their own. They kill anyone who doesn't agree with them.

They would kill you too. Don't forget that.

Ohfour · Hooker

Bonny22Pye wrote:
So killing 4 of their kids in retaliation makes it all better? oh, wait you want to nuke them all and kill all the kids. Yeah, that's helpful.

It would be quite helpful...

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Mass sterilization would put a stop to terrorism permanently IMHO. No young, no future terrorists.

Lindley · Guru

No I do not think we should nuke their own kids. I do think that those grown ups should be stopped. They hold no value to life whatsoever. Should we stand by and let them kill innocent children? maybe we should have never entered ww11 and let the Nazis kill all those they feel inferior. How is this any less evil?

I do not relish hurting anyone, I would do almost anything not to even hurt someones feelings. I do have anger when innocent children are being beheaded, killed, starved because of their beliefs or what village they belong to.
these are not soldiers who are man enough to fight a trained soldiers, they are evil cowards.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And these beheadings. They are not razor sharp tools they are using.

It isn't a one swing and done thing.

It takes a good 5 minutes or more, depending on the neck, to remove the head.

These people are not dying in an instant.

It is a long and terrifying death.

Let's not sugar coat this. See it for what it is.

This is not a quick death. It is a drawn out, agonizingly painful and psychosocially terrifying death.

Remember that when you want to feel sorry for these killers.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

What in the world makes you think that I feel sorry for them?

I'm anti torture

I'm anti genocide

I'm anti killing kids

I have no problem with members of Isis being killed by drones
I have no problem with harsh interrogations

I do feel sorry for the children that are growing up in the middle of that.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lily, you should be in charge of the universe...

flan

No, that should be me.

Lindley · Guru

I get what you are saying bonny and do not think you are feeling sorry for them. We are all on one page about not wanting innocent children hurt in any way.

ed11563 · Guru

just Czech wrote:
Mass sterilization would put a stop to terrorism permanently IMHO. No young, no future terrorists.

Easy ... sterilize everyone in a given area with one little dose of radiation, like in Hiroshima. Set it off at 10,000 feet, so there will be much less blast damage, and a wider area affected by the radiation.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lily, you should be in charge of the universe...

flan
No, that should be me.

If EITHER ONE of you actually were in charge...I'd check out.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Bonny22Pye wrote:
What in the world makes you think that I feel sorry for them?

I'm anti torture

I'm anti genocide

I'm anti killing kids

I have no problem with members of Isis being killed by drones
I have no problem with harsh interrogations

I do feel sorry for the children that are growing up in the middle of that.

But you cant see that they DONT care about any of that.

Do you think they would stop to think, "I wonder if this is something they would do"?

And another thing.

Once a prisoner talks under our control, they are sent back to their cells, given medical treatment, feed, clothed and allowed to say their prayers.

All on YOUR tax dollars. You are paying for their care.

When they have someone they are holding hostage, they will be killed. That is the end result of anything they do. Death.

You want to feel sorry for the kids. Great. Feel sorry for the kids. But it is their parents putting them in that position.

Sometimes in this world, it really is a them or me situation. This is one of those situations.

So?

Them or you?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lily, you should be in charge of the universe...

flan
No, that should be me.
If EITHER ONE of you actually were in charge...I'd check out.
flan

I don't want to be in charge of the Universe. One already has that job.

I don't want to be in charge of a nation. I know I don't have the fortitude to do what needs to be done every time. To make those hard decisions.

But I am glad that there are those who can and do so to keep me and my family safe.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

They strap bombs to their OWN children. They are viscious human beings.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
What in the world makes you think that I feel sorry for them?

I'm anti torture

I'm anti genocide

I'm anti killing kids

I have no problem with members of Isis being killed by drones
I have no problem with harsh interrogations

I do feel sorry for the children that are growing up in the middle of that.
But you cant see that they DONT care about any of that.
Do you think they would stop to think, "I wonder if this is something they would do"?
And another thing.
Once a prisoner talks under our control, they are sent back to their cells, given medical treatment, feed, clothed and allowed to say their prayers.
All on YOUR tax dollars. You are paying for their care.
When they have someone they are holding hostage, they will be killed. That is the end result of anything they do. Death.
You want to feel sorry for the kids. Great. Feel sorry for the kids. But it is their parents putting them in that position.
Sometimes in this world, it really is a them or me situation. This is one of those situations.
So?
Them or you?

There opinion of me doesn't change my view point on torture.

Not forcing rectal feedings doesn't mean I'm choosing them over me.

Ohfour · Hooker

Bonny22Pye wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
What in the world makes you think that I feel sorry for them?

I'm anti torture

I'm anti genocide

I'm anti killing kids

I have no problem with members of Isis being killed by drones
I have no problem with harsh interrogations

I do feel sorry for the children that are growing up in the middle of that.
But you cant see that they DONT care about any of that.
Do you think they would stop to think, "I wonder if this is something they would do"?
And another thing.
Once a prisoner talks under our control, they are sent back to their cells, given medical treatment, feed, clothed and allowed to say their prayers.
All on YOUR tax dollars. You are paying for their care.
When they have someone they are holding hostage, they will be killed. That is the end result of anything they do. Death.
You want to feel sorry for the kids. Great. Feel sorry for the kids. But it is their parents putting them in that position.
Sometimes in this world, it really is a them or me situation. This is one of those situations.
So?
Them or you?
There opinion of me doesn't change my view point on torture.
Not forcing rectal feedings doesn't mean I'm choosing them over me.

THAT's the torture that you are all up in arms about? That's NOT torture! That's keeping them alive...

Bonny22Pye · Guru

that is one small example. And if you've done any research on this topic it was used as a torture method.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Always remember, Bonny, Lily knows best...NOT

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

Bonny22Pye wrote:
that is one small example. And if you've done any research on this topic it was used as a torture method.

So you would have rather them just starved to death...oh, ok...

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

If you don't believe that the rectum is used for medical reasons, you are very misinformed. There are many medications and anesthetics that were routinely given rectally. Rectal brevital used to be routinely given to children for sedation. Rectal enemas till clear with big bags of saline was commonly used prior to colonoscopies. So, I know the rectal route might freak some of you out but it is a valid route of medication administration.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

alimentation /al·i·men·ta·tion/ (al″ĭ-men-ta´shun) giving or receiving of nourishment.

rectal alimentation feeding by injection of nutriment into the rectum.

total parenteral alimentation see under nutrition.

rectal alimentation

Etymology: L, rectus, straight, alimentum, nourishment

the delivery of nourishment in concentrated form by injection or installation through the rectum. Also called rectal feeding.

rec·tal al·i·men·ta·tion

nourishment provided by retention enemas.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

They have no qualms about lopping off the heads of little children and women and Americans. So, a bit of waterboarding doesn't hurt them a damn bit.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
They strap bombs to their OWN children. They are viscious human beings.

They are just plain evil. I don't consider terrorists human beings, they are animals, plain and simple. Worse then animals, they have no regard for the lives of THEIR OWN CHILDREN.

Evil knows no bounds.

chef · Guru

While I would like a way of annihilating ISIS and ALL similar organizations without innocent lives being lost, I know that that's an impossibility within the realm of human capability. I don't care one whit about terrorists or their supporters. I will not lose sleep over them being tortured. Don't care.

I do care about the innocents - those who are getting slaughtered and those in danger of being imprisoned by ISIS, et al. I wish there was a way to save those people while still killing their captors.

Treating ISIS as we would like to be treated will do nothing. It's a noble thought but ISIS doesn't follow that line of thought. ISIS doesn't care one whit about us. ISIS would like to see us and everyone who disagrees with them dead. ISIS would use our niceness to their advantage to lull us into a false sense of security then attack.

What needs to happen is a different kind of eye for an eye. They kill us for refusing to convert to Islam. We kill them for refusing to denounce Islam. I feel that forcing someone to convert to Christianity would be an insult to God so I couldn't get behind that. But, I can get behind forcing them to denounce Islam.

chef · Guru

just Czech wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
They strap bombs to their OWN children. They are viscious human beings.
They are just plain evil. I don't consider terrorists human beings, they are animals, plain and simple. Worse then animals, they have no regard for the lives of THEIR OWN CHILDREN.
Evil knows no bounds.

This.

Tinydancer · Guru

chef wrote:
While I would like a way of annihilating ISIS and ALL similar organizations without innocent lives being lost, I know that that's an impossibility within the realm of human capability. I don't care one whit about terrorists or their supporters. I will not lose sleep over them being tortured. Don't care.

I do care about the innocents - those who are getting slaughtered and those in danger of being imprisoned by ISIS, et al. I wish there was a way to save those people while still killing their captors.

Treating ISIS as we would like to be treated will do nothing. It's a noble thought but ISIS doesn't follow that line of thought. ISIS doesn't care one whit about us. ISIS would like to see us and everyone who disagrees with them dead. ISIS would use our niceness to their advantage to lull us into a false sense of security then attack.

What needs to happen is a different kind of eye for an eye. They kill us for refusing to convert to Islam. We kill them for refusing to denounce Islam. I feel that forcing someone to convert to Christianity would be an insult to God so I couldn't get behind that. But, I can get behind forcing them to denounce Islam.

I agree with all of this!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yeah, we don't want to waterboard those poor Taliban terrorists who just killed 126 kids at a Pakistani school?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Yeah, we don't want to waterboard those poor Taliban terrorists who just killed 126 kids at a Pakistani school?

I knew somebody would bring that up.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I didn't want to disappoint you.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Yeah, we don't want to waterboard those poor Taliban terrorists who just killed 126 kids at a Pakistani school?
I knew somebody would bring that up.
flan

Because if we just ignore it, it wont ever have anything to do with us....

We need to bring these things up. Keep them front and center. And when someone gets all emotional over something done to a terrorist, remind that emotional somebody what the terrorists have done.

The world is not fluff and candy coated. It's real and it is making its way to your street.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I didn't want to disappoint you.

Do you think anything could have been done to prevent this?

Reading the headline alone was enough to make me sick...

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Execute evil doers so they don't have another opportunity.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I didn't want to disappoint you.
Do you think anything could have been done to prevent this?
Reading the headline alone was enough to make me sick...
flan

I dont' know what could have been done to prevent it. That is up to Pakistan to figure out.