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Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

RE: Jahi McMath's Brain Death: On Machines One Year Later

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I think I have said many times that I am FOR the death penalty. Esp for terrorists. Soooo.....what's the issue?

tlc · Regular

lilyofcourse wrote:
No it isn't. It is a good example of how people get upset over the cost of a sick person but not the cost of an inmate.

Kill the sick person. Make the criminal as comfortable as possible.

I don't think you understand something about this story. The girl isn't sick. She's DEAD. If they pulled the plug, breathing would stop, because she can't breathe on her own, because she's brain dead. And yes, I would be upset if my tax dollars were going to keep a dead body "alive" indefinitely just because her mother won't accept reality and let her go and go on with her life like most normal people do. It has to have already cost millions of dollars.

Also, what if you had been incarcerated for something, and got really sick and needed treatment. Would you want them to just say, forget it, we aren't going to treat her because obviously she's a horrible person who doesn't deserve medical treatment because she's incarcerated. What if you got treatment and turned your life around after being in jail? See, not the same thing. That person in jail might just turn their life around if they are given another chance. This girl will never wake up. EVER.

chef · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
She is alive. Her heart is breathing and her body is performing other functions . But that isn't "life" in the sense of being a thinking, active human being.
Which she wouldn't be doing if not for machines. I agree that this is not life.

And who rejects death on religious grounds in favor of machines?
Yes, why are Christians so afraid of dying that they will keep the shell of the body alive? In olden days, when grandma had a stroke, they brought her home, tucked her in, attempted to feed her via a spoon and nature took it's course. Yes, modern medicine can do miracles but that doesn't mean we have to choose treatments that don't heal or cure but merely leave one in a prolonged vegetative state.
And if you soul can't leave because you are being kept alive by life support - you could be trapping your loved one in a vegetative prison instead of letting them pass on to heaven. Just don't know, but I don't think I'd want to take that chance.

The bolded is exactly why I'm very vocal to my family about not doing life support if I won't recover. If I must be in a medically induced coma to heal, fine. But if you're just keeping my body alive. No. I don't want my soul to be trapped and unable to go on to Heaven.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Well let's just pretend there are unlimited resources and money.
It bothers you that a mom is wanting to keep her daughter with her but it doesn't bother you that a prisoner or terrorist are getting their medical care on YOUR dime?

Her daughter IS NOT "with her." She's a vegetable.

flan

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

I hope none of us is ever in this position.

ed11563 · Guru

Why do people think that prisoners get wonderful medical care?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

ed11563 wrote:
Why do people think that prisoners get wonderful medical care?

And there is NO WAY a prisoner would be kept hooked up to machines like this. It's not a matter of better care. But medical care is not needed when someone is dead. They have basically allowed this woman to keep this body "alive" and allow her to live in denial. It's not healthy for the mom, either.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Why do people think that prisoners get wonderful medical care?

And there is NO WAY a prisoner would be kept hooked up to machines like this. It's not a matter of better care. But medical care is not needed when someone is dead. They have basically allowed this woman to keep this body "alive" and allow her to live in denial. It's not healthy for the mom, either.

It is horrible to lose a child, BUT the mother will never be able to start healing until she lets her daughter go.

flan

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

Prisoners do get healthcare but they don't get pampered while doing do. They are handcuffed to the bed. No privacy because a guard sits in their room. And one outside. They are handcuffed to the bed. If they have surgery they are handcuffed to the surgical table until anesthesia puts them out. They are handcuffed before they wake back up.

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-- Edited by Southern_Belle on Sunday 14th of December 2014 08:37:10 AM

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

I give up. Not editing more.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Why do people think that prisoners get wonderful medical care?

And there is NO WAY a prisoner would be kept hooked up to machines like this. It's not a matter of better care. But medical care is not needed when someone is dead. They have basically allowed this woman to keep this body "alive" and allow her to live in denial. It's not healthy for the mom, either.
It is horrible to lose a child, BUT the mother will never be able to start healing until she lets her daughter go.
flan

And, she lost her child a year ago. All she is doing is keeping the body of her daughter alive, not her daughter.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Southern_Belle wrote:
Prisoners do get healthcare but they don't get pampered while doing do. They are handcuffed to the bed. No privacy because a guard sits in their room. And one outside. They are handcuffed to the bed. If they have surgery they are handcuffed to the surgical table until anesthesia puts them out. They are handcuffed before they wake back up.

-- Edited by Southern_Belle on Sunday 14th of December 2014 08:36:50 AM

-- Edited by Southern_Belle on Sunday 14th of December 2014 08:37:10 AM

Well, my neighbor's daughter was in jail for many years due to drug related issues. And, she had horrible medical care. She had a festering wound on her leg that was left unattended to the point of her almost having to have a leg amputation. And, now it has just been discovered that it is related to terminal cancer which went undiagnosed all the years in prison. And she has been given less than 6 months to live at age 34.

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

That's really sad. The docs that serve our prison are all retired from their own practice. When they make it to our hospital it's mainly for surgery. A lot of times for injuries from fights but they do come for other things. You can tell how 'bad' they are by how many guards are with them. Sometimes it's to keep them from escaping, sometimes to protecting the prisoner from someone trying to break in to finish them off. That happened one time, the same week we changed to badge access doors. They tried breaking the doors down to get to the prisoner. It was really scary. We had to be escorted to our cars by security at the end of the shift.