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Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

RE: Popes Says All Dogs Go to Heaven

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Do dogs know they are not supposed to defecate in public? I mean, there aren't a lot of doggie restrooms at their disposal.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
What kind of acts could a dog or house cat commit that would be considered immoral?

Attacking another dog, attacking humans, stealing food, defecating in public.

Are you agreeing then that there are "moral and immoral dogs with free will"?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Do dogs know they are not supposed to defecate in public? I mean, there aren't a lot of doggie restrooms at their disposal.

Well, I see some of them running around with their balls hanging out, too. Put some clothes on, dog!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

OMG! Ha, ha!!!

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
What kind of acts could a dog or house cat commit that would be considered immoral?

Attacking another dog, attacking humans, stealing food, defecating in public.
Are you agreeing then that there are "moral and immoral dogs with free will"?

No. I thought that was obvious. A dog is an animal, they act according to instinct, not free will. HOWEVER, they are smart, and can be trained, they sometimes disobey their owners, and they can love and hate.

Does a dog have a soul? I tend to think yes, especially when a dog will die for you - but that doesn't mean they are subject to the human ideas of morality.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well, I thought it was obvious too. But apparently it is not.

TrudyML · Guru

When a cat kills a mouse does the mouse go to heaven?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

TrudyML wrote:
When a cat kills a mouse does the mouse go to heaven?

Yes, just like the mouse in Shawshank Redemption.

flan

TrudyML · Guru

Aww, good thought!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

No spiders in Heaven, though!

(Sorry, Vette...)

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
How do you animals were never "meant as pets'? I think God obviously put the very characteristics in dogs that make them great companions. You can't domesticate other wild animals as pets the way you do dogs. I think God absolutely intended them to be companions.

If you believe God created them, is it really that hard to believe that he gave them certain characteristics after the fall of man that they didn't have before?

Lindley · Guru

I hope dogs and cats do go to Heaven. I would love to see both my dog I had as a child and my grouchy little schnauzer again.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
How do you animals were never "meant as pets'? I think God obviously put the very characteristics in dogs that make them great companions. You can't domesticate other wild animals as pets the way you do dogs. I think God absolutely intended them to be companions.
If you believe God created them, is it really that hard to believe that he gave them certain characteristics after the fall of man that they didn't have before?

God gave over the dominion of the animals to man. Man wanted dogs as a companion. Dogs are companions. Man also wanted to be slaves to cats, so cats rule over man.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

God created Adam to be His. And He gave him Eve as a helpmate/companion.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Have you heard of the Skit Guys? They do a hilarious Adam and Eve skit.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
How do you animals were never "meant as pets'? I think God obviously put the very characteristics in dogs that make them great companions. You can't domesticate other wild animals as pets the way you do dogs. I think God absolutely intended them to be companions.
If you believe God created them, is it really that hard to believe that he gave them certain characteristics after the fall of man that they didn't have before?

Didnt i say that?

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
How do you animals were never "meant as pets'? I think God obviously put the very characteristics in dogs that make them great companions. You can't domesticate other wild animals as pets the way you do dogs. I think God absolutely intended them to be companions.
If you believe God created them, is it really that hard to believe that he gave them certain characteristics after the fall of man that they didn't have before?

God gave over the dominion of the animals to man. Man wanted dogs as a companion. Dogs are companions. Man also wanted to be slaves to cats, so cats rule over man.

Yeah, but I thought this was just the big cats . . . the little ones are silly to use as rulers. Some wires got crossed somewhere. Ancient Egypt, maybe?

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Animals have souls.

They also have innate characteristics to keep them alive. So they can survive.

See, no animal was meant to be a pet. Not originally. They were meant to help man in his needs to survive.

They were to exist with man and man have dominion over the animals.

Later they were for food and to help man with the work it took to grow food.

Do animals go to heaven? I believe they do.

Where do you get the notion that animals have souls? Souls are a religious construct and at least in christianity that is reserved for humans. At least there are no indications animals have souls and plenty of evidence that humans are special in that regard.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

God made them. He breathed life into them just like he did man.

I believe they have them. I don't have to have proof of anything to have Faith.

If I am wrong then I am wrong.

It doesn't hurt anything to believe they do.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Animals have souls.

They also have innate characteristics to keep them alive. So they can survive.

See, no animal was meant to be a pet. Not originally. They were meant to help man in his needs to survive.

They were to exist with man and man have dominion over the animals.

Later they were for food and to help man with the work it took to grow food.

Do animals go to heaven? I believe they do.

Where do you get the notion that animals have souls? Souls are a religious construct and at least in christianity that is reserved for humans. At least there are no indications animals have souls and plenty of evidence that humans are special in that regard.

What difference does it make? I mean, who cares if people love their animals and assume they will be in heaven? Once in heaven, it's supposed to be perfect contentment, so even if they are not there, it's not like we'll feel disappointment.

Tinydancer · Guru

Heaven is the height of perfection so I'm very sure that the pets I love will share it with me. It's not in any passage but in my personal scope of faith they're there with me.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
God made them. He breathed life into them just like he did man.

I believe they have them. I don't have to have proof of anything to have Faith.

If I am wrong then I am wrong.

It doesn't hurt anything to believe they do.

No, he didn't "breathe life into them". He created them--but not "just like" he did man.

Man is the only one he created in his image. (Genesis 1:26-27)

Man is the only one he "blessed" at the creation. (Genesis 1:28)

Man is the only one he took time to form from the dust of the ground. (Genesis 2:7)

Woman is the only one he formed from the flesh of man. (Genesis 2:21-24)

Finally, the promise of heaven is given to those who believe in Christ Jesus, those to whom God made his covenant. God made that covenant ONLY with humankind. I can probably find a hundred verses to support that.

There is certainly no evidence to support dogs or any other species other than man having the capacity to believe in a deity.

Plus, again, if a dog can go, why not a fish or a beaver or a mockingbird?

The notion of pets going to heaven is a human one because we love them. It isn't based on anything EITHER religious or scientific. We just "want" it.

People lose all sense when it comes to pets.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Wednesday 17th of December 2014 05:41:56 PM

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Animals have souls.

They also have innate characteristics to keep them alive. So they can survive.

See, no animal was meant to be a pet. Not originally. They were meant to help man in his needs to survive.

They were to exist with man and man have dominion over the animals.

Later they were for food and to help man with the work it took to grow food.

Do animals go to heaven? I believe they do.

Where do you get the notion that animals have souls? Souls are a religious construct and at least in christianity that is reserved for humans. At least there are no indications animals have souls and plenty of evidence that humans are special in that regard.
What difference does it make? I mean, who cares if people love their animals and assume they will be in heaven? Once in heaven, it's supposed to be perfect contentment, so even if they are not there, it's not like we'll feel disappointment.

What difference does it make? That's very Hillary! lol. But, I think Biblical Doctrine is important. We should embellish and add to what the Bible does say, nor should we pretend to KNOW what the Bible is silent on either.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Animals have souls.

They also have innate characteristics to keep them alive. So they can survive.

See, no animal was meant to be a pet. Not originally. They were meant to help man in his needs to survive.

They were to exist with man and man have dominion over the animals.

Later they were for food and to help man with the work it took to grow food.

Do animals go to heaven? I believe they do.

Where do you get the notion that animals have souls? Souls are a religious construct and at least in christianity that is reserved for humans. At least there are no indications animals have souls and plenty of evidence that humans are special in that regard.
What difference does it make? I mean, who cares if people love their animals and assume they will be in heaven? Once in heaven, it's supposed to be perfect contentment, so even if they are not there, it's not like we'll feel disappointment.

It maybe doesn't make a direct difference what an individual believes in that regard--it does make a difference what a church leader puts forth as a statement of church doctrine if it cannot be supported by the book they purport to base their religion on.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yes. If the Bible is silent then you say, we don't know the Bible is silent. Don't make schit up.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Dogs will go to Heaven.

Cats I don't know.

Gold fish? Maybe.

I had a pet goat. So I don't know if she will be there. The Bible says He will separate the sheep from the goats. So I doubt Nanny will be there.

huskerbb · Guru

I hope cows don't make it. I'd hate to run into "Blackie" and have to explain myself.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

You think pigs will be there? I mean with Jesus being Jewish and all...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

huskerbb wrote:
I hope cows don't make it. I'd hate to run into "Blackie" and have to explain myself.

Why do I think rubber boots and a lot of drinking may have been involved? evileye

biggrin

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Animals have souls.

They also have innate characteristics to keep them alive. So they can survive.

See, no animal was meant to be a pet. Not originally. They were meant to help man in his needs to survive.

They were to exist with man and man have dominion over the animals.

Later they were for food and to help man with the work it took to grow food.

Do animals go to heaven? I believe they do.

Where do you get the notion that animals have souls? Souls are a religious construct and at least in christianity that is reserved for humans. At least there are no indications animals have souls and plenty of evidence that humans are special in that regard.
What difference does it make? I mean, who cares if people love their animals and assume they will be in heaven? Once in heaven, it's supposed to be perfect contentment, so even if they are not there, it's not like we'll feel disappointment.
It maybe doesn't make a direct difference what an individual believes in that regard--it does make a difference what a church leader puts forth as a statement of church doctrine if it cannot be supported by the book they purport to base their religion on.

You act like it's the first time it happened. Purgatory anyone?

ed11563 · Guru

IS a "soul" a religious concept? How about "consciousness"?

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I hope cows don't make it. I'd hate to run into "Blackie" and have to explain myself.
Why do I think rubber boots and a lot of drinking may have been involved?

She was the family pet--a bottle calf--

and we ate her.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

ed11563 wrote:
IS a "soul" a religious concept? How about "consciousness"?

I would say the soul is a religious concept. Consciousness however is much broader. That is something a bit more tangible though we still don't really understand it. We can understand that someone is conscious versus someone being in a coma. Or a human being has consciousness but a flower does not, etc.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
You think pigs will be there? I mean with Jesus being Jewish and all...

Of course lil piggies will be there!

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I hope cows don't make it. I'd hate to run into "Blackie" and have to explain myself.
Why do I think rubber boots and a lot of drinking may have been involved?

She was the family pet--a bottle calf--

and we ate her.

Cows are never pets. Neither are pigs or chickens or anything else that is eaten.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I know 2 families that have pot-bellied pigs as pets.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
You think pigs will be there? I mean with Jesus being Jewish and all...
Of course lil piggies will be there!
flan

I hope so. I love bacon!

Spoiler: Mwahahahahahahhhahahaaaaa

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
I know 2 families that have pot-bellied pigs as pets.

flan

Those are not pets. Those are what we like to call "fresh stored meat".

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I hope cows don't make it. I'd hate to run into "Blackie" and have to explain myself.
Why do I think rubber boots and a lot of drinking may have been involved?

She was the family pet--a bottle calf--

and we ate her.
Cows are never pets. Neither are pigs or chickens or anything else that is eaten.

Maybe not--but it's silly to assume that some animals--because we keep them as pets, must surely go to heaven when other animals don't.

There is essentially no real difference between a dog and, say, a coyote or a fox--but we don't normally keep the latter as pets. Why would Fido go to heaven and not the coyote? It's ridiculous.

Again, there is ZERO scientific or religious basis to assume any animals will go to heaven--it's just a hope and a want on the part of humans.

If it makes any individual feel better to believe this or that--fine--not really the point. But a church leader should not be promulgating such nonsense when it is clearly backed up by NOTHING in their religion.

People lose all damn sense when it comes to pets.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

It isn't silly.

And the Bible does say that the lion will lay down with the lamb.

I don't know where else that would happen.

Telling someone it is silly for them to believe their beloved pet is in heaven is not nice to say the least.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
It isn't silly.

And the Bible does say that the lion will lay down with the lamb.

I don't know where else that would happen.

Telling someone it is silly for them to believe their beloved pet is in heaven is not nice to say the least.

It is silly. You cant even come up with answers to my questions--because you are basing it on nothing.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Honey is NOT a pet cow. Pet cows do not exist. Yes, she is fifteen years old. Yes, she hasn't calved in over two years. Yes, we keep her down in the prefresh group where she doesn't need to compete and gets fresh bedding every day BUT SHE IS NOT A PET! She is a nurse. She takes care of the calves that are born to stupid heifers. She has a perfectly legitimate reason to be here. Not a pet. Nope.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
It isn't silly.

And the Bible does say that the lion will lay down with the lamb.

I don't know where else that would happen.

Telling someone it is silly for them to believe their beloved pet is in heaven is not nice to say the least.

It is silly. You cant even come up with answers to my questions--because you are basing it on nothing.

I answered it before you asked it.

I said God made them, why wouldn't they be in heaven?

You are wanting to argue.

Guess it is one of those things in which we will have to wait and see.

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
It isn't silly.

And the Bible does say that the lion will lay down with the lamb.

I don't know where else that would happen.

Telling someone it is silly for them to believe their beloved pet is in heaven is not nice to say the least.

It is silly. You cant even come up with answers to my questions--because you are basing it on nothing.
I answered it before you asked it.
I said God made them, why wouldn't they be in heaven?
You are wanting to argue.
Guess it is one of those things in which we will have to wait and see.

Because Gods promise of salvation was given ONLY to humans.

huskerbb · Guru

Using your illogic, if the only criteria for heaven is that something was made by God, then all verses about having to believe must be BS.

TrudyML · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
I hope cows don't make it. I'd hate to run into "Blackie" and have to explain myself.

Mmm, wondering about this story!

Tinydancer · Guru

Husker had a pet cow named Blackie that he ended up eating. Now he's worried about meeting his dinner in heaven...lol

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Tinydancer wrote:
Husker had a pet cow named Blackie that he ended up eating. Now he's worried about meeting his dinner in heaven...lol

It's called "karma."

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

I think that's why he's arguing so strongly against pets going to heaven...lol

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Thursday 18th of December 2014 04:14:44 PM