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Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

RE: Popes Says All Dogs Go to Heaven

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I don't know why Husker keeps arguing. Either of us could be right and either of us could be wrong.

Hence the "wait and see".

It really isn't something to work up a lather over.

burns07 · Guru

certainly hope they do--we have been blessed to have so many exceptional canines around us--four-legged friends / companions--they are the living embodiment of unconditional love

huskerbb · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
I don't know why Husker keeps arguing. Either of us could be right and either of us could be wrong.

Hence the "wait and see".

It really isn't something to work up a lather over.

Maybe--but you cannot support your position with either religion or science--I can do both.

huskerbb · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
I think that's why he's arguing so strongly against pets going to heaven...lol

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Thursday 18th of December 2014 04:14:44 PM

Not really. There is just no evidence of it--in either science or religion (at least if you are talking about the religion of Christianity).

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
It isn't silly.

And the Bible does say that the lion will lay down with the lamb.

I don't know where else that would happen.

Telling someone it is silly for them to believe their beloved pet is in heaven is not nice to say the least.

It is silly. You cant even come up with answers to my questions--because you are basing it on nothing.
I answered it before you asked it.
I said God made them, why wouldn't they be in heaven?
You are wanting to argue.
Guess it is one of those things in which we will have to wait and see.
Because Gods promise of salvation was given ONLY to humans.
But can animals be "sinners"? If not - they are sinless, and therefore could go to heaven.

If you give animals the capacity to believe--they why could they not sin? Do they never poop on the rug? Bark when they aren't supposed to?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Animals are not capable of sin.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Animals are not capable of sin.

I agree--they aren't capable of belief, either.

Plus, God's promise was given ONLY to humankind, so whether they can "sin", or not is really irrelevant, anyway.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
It isn't silly.

And the Bible does say that the lion will lay down with the lamb.

I don't know where else that would happen.

Telling someone it is silly for them to believe their beloved pet is in heaven is not nice to say the least.

It is silly. You cant even come up with answers to my questions--because you are basing it on nothing.
I answered it before you asked it.
I said God made them, why wouldn't they be in heaven?
You are wanting to argue.
Guess it is one of those things in which we will have to wait and see.
Because Gods promise of salvation was given ONLY to humans.
But can animals be "sinners"? If not - they are sinless, and therefore could go to heaven.
If you give animals the capacity to believe--they why could they not sin? Do they never poop on the rug? Bark when they aren't supposed to?

I didn't give them the capacity to believe. But, man needs to believe in order to receive salvation from sins. If animals don't sin, they don't need salvation and whether or not they believe is irrelevant.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Animals cannot sin. Nor do they need redemption.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
It isn't silly.

And the Bible does say that the lion will lay down with the lamb.

I don't know where else that would happen.

Telling someone it is silly for them to believe their beloved pet is in heaven is not nice to say the least.

It is silly. You cant even come up with answers to my questions--because you are basing it on nothing.
I answered it before you asked it.
I said God made them, why wouldn't they be in heaven?
You are wanting to argue.
Guess it is one of those things in which we will have to wait and see.
Because Gods promise of salvation was given ONLY to humans.
But can animals be "sinners"? If not - they are sinless, and therefore could go to heaven.
If you give animals the capacity to believe--they why could they not sin? Do they never poop on the rug? Bark when they aren't supposed to?
I didn't give them the capacity to believe. But, man needs to believe in order to receive salvation from sins. If animals don't sin, they don't need salvation and whether or not they believe is irrelevant.

It is irrelevant since God promised salvation to ONLY humankind.

Lindley · Guru

We will find out when we get there.

Tinydancer · Guru

Unless Husker speaks for God now I'll continue to believe that I will see all those I've loved in heaven including my beloved pets.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Did husker say No pets in Heaven? I don't think he said that.

Tinydancer · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I hope cows don't make it. I'd hate to run into "Blackie" and have to explain myself.
Why do I think rubber boots and a lot of drinking may have been involved?

She was the family pet--a bottle calf--

and we ate her.
Cows are never pets. Neither are pigs or chickens or anything else that is eaten.
Maybe not--but it's silly to assume that some animals--because we keep them as pets, must surely go to heaven when other animals don't.
There is essentially no real difference between a dog and, say, a coyote or a fox--but we don't normally keep the latter as pets. Why would Fido go to heaven and not the coyote? It's ridiculous.
Again, there is ZERO scientific or religious basis to assume any animals will go to heaven--it's just a hope and a want on the part of humans.
If it makes any individual feel better to believe this or that--fine--not really the point. But a church leader should not be promulgating such nonsense when it is clearly backed up by NOTHING in their religion.
People lose all damn sense when it comes to pets.

I'm pretty sure he said it right there. He called it ridiculous.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Did husker say No pets in Heaven? I don't think he said that.

Are you reading the same thread the rest of us are?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Not necessarily. Do ALL animals go to Heaven? That is a reasonable question. And, I would think that animals may indeed do so because animals are not capable of morally sinning against God so that would at least seem to open the door for me. We might view some things as wrong that animals do but we recognize that animals are not making moral choices per se to commit evil as a criminal does.

huskerbb · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
Unless Husker speaks for God now I'll continue to believe that I will see all those I've loved in heaven including my beloved pets.

???? The BIBLE speaks for God. If you can find passages in the Bible to support what you say, by all means do so.

huskerbb · Guru

It's not simply the absence of sinning that gets one into heaven. One must BELIEVE.

huskerbb · Guru

What I've said on the subject is that the position that most have taken is that their beloved pets go to heaven--but all other animals do not--which is ridiculous.

I've also said that they can believe what they personally want to believe--but don't try to pretend that the Bible says pets go to heaven, it absolutely does not say any such thing.

I have not said definitively that animals can't go to heaven--I've said that the Bible definitively does NOT say that they do or can.

I've also said that most people lose their damn sense when it comes to their pets--and this thread is proof positive of that.

Tinydancer · Guru

I don't think that anyone here claimed the Bible said so but you have a habit of inferring things that were never said so it's par for the course. Some people loose their damn sense when they keep arguing like their opinion is fact. Unless you've died and gone to heaven you are no more right than anyone else.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
It's not simply the absence of sinning that gets one into heaven. One must BELIEVE.

SINNERS must believe in Jesus Christ as the son of God who died for the forgiveness of our sins. No person is without sin.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
It's not simply the absence of sinning that gets one into heaven. One must BELIEVE.

SINNERS must believe in Jesus Christ as the son of God who died for the forgiveness of our sins. No person is without sin.

Christ was without sin--and he also believed. Belief is NECESSARY.

Plus, unbelief itself is a sin.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Friday 19th of December 2014 06:20:04 PM

huskerbb · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
I don't think that anyone here claimed the Bible said so but you have a habit of inferring things that were never said so it's par for the course. Some people loose their damn sense when they keep arguing like their opinion is fact. Unless you've died and gone to heaven you are no more right than anyone else.

Several people have tried to claim such--including the person in the original post. Heck, LL is trying to argue that right now.

I am right about what the Bible says. If you can find passages to refute what I say--feel free to do so.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Friday 19th of December 2014 06:20:45 PM

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
I don't think that anyone here claimed the Bible said so but you have a habit of inferring things that were never said so it's par for the course. Some people loose their damn sense when they keep arguing like their opinion is fact. Unless you've died and gone to heaven you are no more right than anyone else.
Several people have tried to claim such--including the person in the original post. Heck, LL is trying to argue that right now.
I am right about what the Bible says. If you can find passages to refute what I say--feel free to do so.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Friday 19th of December 2014 06:20:45 PM

Absolutely NO WHERE did I say the Bible says anything about animals going to heaven. But YOU are assuming that the requirements for people getting into heaven would apply to animals, and that is RIDICULOUS when animals can't sin.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
It's not simply the absence of sinning that gets one into heaven. One must BELIEVE.

SINNERS must believe in Jesus Christ as the son of God who died for the forgiveness of our sins. No person is without sin.
Christ was without sin--and he also believed. Belief is NECESSARY.

Plus, unbelief itself is a sin.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Friday 19th of December 2014 06:20:04 PM

Animals can't sin. That gives them the human traits you've already said they don't have.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
I don't think that anyone here claimed the Bible said so but you have a habit of inferring things that were never said so it's par for the course. Some people loose their damn sense when they keep arguing like their opinion is fact. Unless you've died and gone to heaven you are no more right than anyone else.
Several people have tried to claim such--including the person in the original post. Heck, LL is trying to argue that right now.
I am right about what the Bible says. If you can find passages to refute what I say--feel free to do so.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Friday 19th of December 2014 06:20:45 PM
Absolutely NO WHERE did I say the Bible says anything about animals going to heaven. But YOU are assuming that the requirements for people getting into heaven would apply to animals, and that is RIDICULOUS when animals can't sin.

I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that the Bible says that God's promise of salvation was given ONLY to humankind. NOWHERE in the Bible does it say otherwise.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
It's not simply the absence of sinning that gets one into heaven. One must BELIEVE.

SINNERS must believe in Jesus Christ as the son of God who died for the forgiveness of our sins. No person is without sin.
Christ was without sin--and he also believed. Belief is NECESSARY.

Plus, unbelief itself is a sin.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Friday 19th of December 2014 06:20:04 PM
Animals can't sin. That gives them the human traits you've already said they don't have.

Neither do they go to heaven.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And no one is arguing with you on that. You are arguing a completely different point.

Animals don't need salvation because they DON'T SIN.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
It's not simply the absence of sinning that gets one into heaven. One must BELIEVE.

SINNERS must believe in Jesus Christ as the son of God who died for the forgiveness of our sins. No person is without sin.
Christ was without sin--and he also believed. Belief is NECESSARY.

Plus, unbelief itself is a sin.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Friday 19th of December 2014 06:20:04 PM
Animals can't sin. That gives them the human traits you've already said they don't have.
Neither do they go to heaven.

You absolutely do not know that. The Bible is silent on the subject. So, unless you can tell me a burning bush gave you that information, that is strictly your OPINION.

Tinydancer · Guru

Husker likes to argue so he'll tell you you're saying something that was never said just to continue...lol

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And he grabs onto something like this like a pit bull.

He HAS to be right no matter what. Even when he has no real clue either.

Tinydancer · Guru

Husker as a pitbull is a pretty good analogy. Very good description lily!