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TOKYO — When Sony Pictures began casting last year for a new comedy to be called “The Interview,” early scripts included the assassination of a fictionalized North Korean ruler. It was not until auditions began that actors learned that the movie would portray something much more brazen: the violent killing of the actual leader of North Korea, Kim Jong-un.

Sony’s executives now say they knew that basing a film on the assassination of a living national leader — even a ruthless dictator — had inherent risks. But the studio seems to have gotten much more than it bargained for by bankrolling what it hoped would be an edgy comedy.

The still very-much-alive Mr. Kim, the leader of an isolated and unpredictable nuclear-armed nation, appears not to have been amused when the premise of the comedy became clear. North Korea branded the $40 million film, to be released on Dec. 25, “an act of war” and vowed a “resolute and merciless response.”

Then, last month, hackers unleashed one of the most punishing cyberattacks on a major corporation in recent memory, pilfering private emails, detailed summaries of executive salaries, and even digital copies of several unreleased Sony films that they posted online. It remains a mystery who was responsible.

Suspicion has fallen on Mr. Kim’s Bureau 121, an elite cyberunit, or patriotic hackers. But experts say pro-North Korea messages left behind could be a ruse to cover the hackers’ real tracks.

What is clear is that by deciding to go ahead with the film, Sony stumbled into a geopolitical mess complete with all the elements of a Hollywood thriller: international intrigue, once imperious, now humiliated, film executives, strong-willed leading men and highly sophisticated cyberattackers. The studio’s first miscalculation, film experts say, was in venturing beyond where big-budget moviemakers dared to go in the past.

“The gory killing of a sitting foreign leader is new territory for a big studio movie,” said Jeanine Basinger, a professor of film studies at Wesleyan University.

From early on, “The Interview” seemed to pit the sensibilities of filmmakers in the United States, where the portly North Korean leader with the cherubic looks has been a target of easy humor, against those of Sony executives in Japan, where he is reviled but taken deadly seriously.

While many Americans seem to see North Korea as too distant to keep them awake at night, many Japanese see it as a very visible threat. Until three decades ago, North Korean agents occasionally snatched people off beaches in neighboring Japan to serve as Japanese-language teachers, and long-range North Korean rockets on test runs still fly ominously over Japan’s main islands.

Disturbed by North Korean threats at a time when his company was already struggling, Sony’s Japanese chief executive, Kazuo Hirai, broke with what Sony executives say was a 25-year tradition. He intervened in the decision making of his company’s usually autonomous Hollywood studio, Sony Pictures Entertainment.

According to hacked emails published by other media and interviews with people briefed on the matter, he insisted over the summer that a scene in which Mr. Kim’s head explodes when hit by a tank shell be toned down to remove images of flaming hair and chunks of skull.

In the emails, he also asked that even the less bloody shot not be shown outside the United States. A final decision on how the assassination scene will be rendered in overseas release has not been made, a person briefed on the film’s international roll out said Sunday.

Hollywood films have mocked North Korea and its leaders before. In 2004, “Team America: World Police,” a feature film made with puppets, portrayed Kim Jong-il, the father of the current leader, as a lonely but sadistic despot who eventually turned into a ****roach.

But with “The Interview,” from the casting calls onward, Sony studio executives in the United States seemed aware that they were treading into a sensitive new area.

“In the original version of the script that I got, it wasn’t Kim Jong-un,” Randall Park, who was cast in the role, told bloggers invited to the Vancouver set last year. “But I was told right before my audition that it was going to be Kim Jong-un.”

Whether the switch reflected a possible alternate creative direction, or was the result of an effort to keep an incendiary element of the movie quiet, is unclear.

A Sony spokesman declined to comment. But some in the film industry said the film’s co-directors, Evan Goldberg and the actor Seth Rogen, were trying to push creative boundaries, and that Sony allowed them to do so in part to keep them from going to a rival studio.

“That was always the whole point,” said one agent familiar with “The Interview” from its earliest stages, speaking on the condition of anonymity to preserve ties to Sony. “Buried inside that comedy is a really sharp geopolitical satire.”

In the movie, two American journalists are recruited by the C.I.A. to kill the North Korean leader.

Experts on North Korean society said that it would not be much of a surprise if the country was behind the hacking, which it appeared to delight in even as it denied involvement.

“In Korean culture, there is a real need to protect your leader’s dignity,” said Toshimitsu Shigemura, an expert on North Korea at Waseda University in Tokyo who believes that North Korea probably had at least an indirect hand in Sony’s hacking woes. “The North Korean leader’s subordinates were probably desperate to make some sort of gesture, in order to both prove their loyalty and to save their own skins.”

(Mr. Kim, after all, had his own uncle executed in a struggle for power and is reported to maintain an extensive network of brutal gulags for those who displease him.)

The hacked emails that have been published paint a picture of a corporation torn between trying to be respectful of artistic license, while also trying to prevent the film from being too inflammatory.

After pressure from Mr. Hirai, the emails show, Amy Pascal, co-chairwoman of Sony Pictures, repeatedly pressed Mr. Rogen to soften “The Interview’s” climactic assassination scene.

“You have to appreciate the fact that we haven’t just dictated to you what it had to be,” Ms. Pascal wrote in September to Mr. Rogen. “Given that I have never gotten one note on anything from our parent company in the entire 25 years that I have worked for them.”

According to the emails and a person briefed on the matter, Mr. Hirai inserted himself into the film’s editing after North Korean officials, apparently having seen promotional materials last summer, called the film “an act of war.” In one email, Mr. Hirai approves a newly altered assassination shot that had “no face melting, less fire in the hair, fewer embers on the face and the head explosion has been considerably obscured by the fire.”

At one point in the tug of war over the script, Mr. Rogen weighed in with an angry email to Ms. Pascal. “This is now a story of Americans changing their movie to make North Koreans happy,” he wrote. “That is a very damning story.”

Other published emails and interviews show Michael Lynton, chief executive of Sony Pictures, stepping in to distance “The Interview” from its Japanese owner after North Korea’s initial blowback last June. In particular, Mr. Lynton pushed staff members to remove the word “Sony” from promotional materials, including billboards and trailers, and from the end credit crawl.

Sony also decided not to release the R-rated film in Asia, but executives at the studio said the decision had been made largely because crudely irreverent humor does not translate easily, particularly in the more culturally conservative societies in the region. Still, the studio was aware that the raw geopolitical content would make booking the film even more difficult, according to Sony executives interviewed in recent days who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the nature of the discussion.

Some analysts speculated that Sony might have been pressured to tone down the film by the Japanese government, which is in delicate negotiations with the North to discover the fate of more than a dozen Japanese abducted by North Korean agents in the 1970s and 1980s. However, many say the Sony chief executive intervened because he was alarmed by the very public — and possibly private — threats being hurled by the Kim regime.

“Such threats against a specific company by a sovereign state were so shocking and unusual that it is natural for the top to want to get involved,” said Tomoichiro Kubota, an analyst at Matsui Securities in Tokyo who specializes in Sony.

In the end, the Sony edits might not have had the desired effect. Although they did not specifically mention “The Interview,” the hackers demand that Sony not release what they call “the movie of terrorism.”



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I mean, really - what world leader wouldn't be ticked off at a movie glorifying their assassination?

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You cannot even imagine how much of a headache this thing has caused. I'm doing my job manually...:(

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You cannot even imagine how much of a headache this thing has caused. I'm doing my job manually...:(


 I knew you were affected. So sorry!

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I really hope people don't die over this.

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So, he thinks he's more important than all other world leaders? I think there have been parodies done on every world leader born in the last 100 years. Gorbachev didn't nuke us. Castro didn't invade us. Margaret Thatcher didn't go bonkers.
This little **** head needs to get over himself.

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So, he thinks he's more important than all other world leaders? I think there have been parodies done on every world leader born in the last 100 years. Gorbachev didn't nuke us. Castro didn't invade us. Margaret Thatcher didn't go bonkers.
This little **** head needs to get over himself.


 I'm not aware of anything that has similuted the assassination of a living, sitting world leader. 

 

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"What is clear is that by deciding to go ahead with the film, Sony stumbled into a geopolitical mess complete with all the elements of a Hollywood thriller: international intrigue, once imperious, now humiliated, film executives, strong-willed leading men and highly sophisticated cyberattackers. The studio’s first miscalculation, film experts say, was in venturing beyond where big-budget moviemakers dared to go in the past.

“The gory killing of a sitting foreign leader is new territory for a big studio movie,” said Jeanine Basinger, a professor of film studies at Wesleyan University."



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So, he thinks he's more important than all other world leaders? I think there have been parodies done on every world leader born in the last 100 years. Gorbachev didn't nuke us. Castro didn't invade us. Margaret Thatcher didn't go bonkers.
This little **** head needs to get over himself.


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People hang President Obama in effigy every halloween. Shrug. It's about dick heads ego.

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I know I'm warped, but I just chuckle at the idea...

He's such a pompous tw@t...perfect target for satire.

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People hang President Obama in effigy every halloween. Shrug. It's about dick heads ego.


 A crazy dickhead that controls nukes.  That, in retaliation, might very well kill people.  And AMERICANS poking fun at our own president is different than another country's citizens filming various ways to kill him.

 

Yeah - I'm a big propenent of free speech and freedom of expression.  But, those do not come with freedom from consequences.  And the plain fact is that this is a very big insult to a crazy world leader.  It's not wise and if people die from it, Sony will have to accept its role in that. Yes, you can say that is Kim's fault because of his ego - but can one really take no responsiblity for poking the big, crazy, hungry bear?

Our entire government tried to blame Benzhagi on an independent film and they succeeded for a while, and I think something should have been learned from that. 



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I know I'm warped, but I just chuckle at the idea...

He's such a pompous tw@t...perfect target for satire.

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the real twits here are the sony people--stupidity at a very high level--more revelatory has been the hacking of the film business' top execs personal emails--all the liberal hypocrisy so blatantly expressed, exposed--as if we didn't already know but, still, some accurate insight

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I guess the PC thing to do would be bow to everyone.

And I wouldn't be a bit surprised if these hackers are actually our own government.

Presidents have been the subject of many movies. Sometimes they resemble the ones in office, sometimes not.

It's a movie.

The little dictator doesn't dictate to THIS country.

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Yes, it's a movie - JUST a movie. It's not worth the fallout this has created. A lot of people are going to be affected - all because some bigwigs thought it was a great idea to make a whole big budget blockbuster about killing a world leader. Death threats of world leaders are usually not taken lightly.

It's my bet that before this is over, Sony will be regretting that movie very, very much.

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I just cant see bowing down to another country's leader.

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I just cant see bowing down to another country's leader.


They need to stop the release of this movie.  My SS# has been compromised.  My health records have been compromised as well as those of my children.  This is not going to stop any time soon. 



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This may sound really stupid, but what exactly are they going to do with your health records?

The SS# I can understand.

I thought the movie was already released.



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I just cant see bowing down to another country's leader.


 Sony is a private company that decided to piss off a very powerful man.  And now, AMERICANS are going to suffer for it.  There's a reason our political decisions are made by people who THINK aobut political repercussions rather than money.  This isn't the government bowing to another country.  It's a private corporation that is creating a more hostile world environment for nothing more than publicity and financial gain.  It's irresponsible and stupid.



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This may sound really stupid, but what exactly are they going to do with your health records?

The SS# I can understand.

I thought the movie was already released.


Publish them.  There are things I would rather my co-workers not know... 



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The movie releases Christmas Day...

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This may sound really stupid, but what exactly are they going to do with your health records?

The SS# I can understand.

I thought the movie was already released.


Publish them.  There are things I would rather my co-workers not know... 


I can understand not wanting people to know things.

 

 



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I just cant see bowing down to another country's leader.


 Sony is a private company that decided to piss off a very powerful man.  And now, AMERICANS are going to suffer for it.  There's a reason our political decisions are made by people who THINK aobut political repercussions rather than money.  This isn't the government bowing to another country.  It's a private corporation that is creating a more hostile world environment for nothing more than publicity and financial gain.  It's irresponsible and stupid.


I guess.

Seems it is time for someone to stand up to these little bullies and stop bowing to them. But that is just me.

I highly doubt if this were the other way around he would be as concerned.

 



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This may sound really stupid, but what exactly are they going to do with your health records?

The SS# I can understand.

I thought the movie was already released.


Publish them.  There are things I would rather my co-workers not know... 


I can understand not wanting people to know things.

 

 


Not that I'm on the list of top people to hurt!  LOL!!! I'm a minion.  But still, they are publishing information that can be found. I don't like having that available to some other minion that may want to peep ant my records...KWIM? 



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I know what you are talking about. I understand that.

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sensitive information about people's kids health records have been released. It's ridiculous. I also am pissed off at the main stream media for publishing the materials.

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I just cant see bowing down to another country's leader.


They need to stop the release of this movie.  My SS# has been compromised.  My health records have been compromised as well as those of my children.  This is not going to stop any time soon. 


 That would be absolutely the worst reason to pull the film.  Offensive or not, we can't compromise free speech just because those who don't like it might do something "bad".   That could happen with lot of films, or books, or magazine articles, or whatever.



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This may sound really stupid, but what exactly are they going to do with your health records?

The SS# I can understand.

I thought the movie was already released.


Publish them.  There are things I would rather my co-workers not know... 


I can understand not wanting people to know things.

 

 


Not that I'm on the list of top people to hurt!  LOL!!! I'm a minion.  But still, they are publishing information that can be found. I don't like having that available to some other minion that may want to peep ant my records...KWIM? 


 Sure, but giving in to terrorism is the surest way to make it happen again. 



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It was stupid to make the film in the first place. They had originally concieved it as being about a fictitious world leader than simply resembled Kim, but NOOOOOOO, so much funnier to insult and offend a sitting ruler. One who is crazy and kills people for no reason at all.

This has already affected thousands of people as a private cyber war. It needs to stop.

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It sounds to me that the people who created this movie have pretty big egos as well. I hope the fallout doesn't hurt anyone. I'm worried for the Japanese.

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It sounds to me that the people who created this movie have pretty big egos as well. I hope the fallout doesn't hurt anyone. I'm worried for the Japanese.


 Me, too--but it's BAD precedent to set to give in to terror or threat thereof.



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He threatens to nuke japan every week. Do we give in to every demand he has because of that?

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I guess the PC thing to do would be bow to everyone.

And I wouldn't be a bit surprised if these hackers are actually our own government.

Presidents have been the subject of many movies. Sometimes they resemble the ones in office, sometimes not.

It's a movie.

The little dictator doesn't dictate to THIS country.


 I agree with thee bolded.  And ffs, I have never met a group of people so predisposed to being pissed and scared of what "might" happen as some here.  Ebola anyone?  Right.  Remember the clutching of pearls over that?  This guy is wont be able to make a move without several countries, not just us being on it.  The sky Isn't falling.  EBOLA!!!!!

 



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And dammit, husker is making sense...I'm agreeing with him on this.

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He threatens to nuke japan every week. Do we give in to every demand he has because of that?


He threatens...this time he acted.  I'm not for giving up free speech either, but this hurt me personally.  Because they think they are funny.   



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Hey! That Ebola was and still is in my back yard. I don't want it. And I think the chances of getting Ebola are way higher than the chances of something from N.K.

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I guess the PC thing to do would be bow to everyone.

And I wouldn't be a bit surprised if these hackers are actually our own government.

Presidents have been the subject of many movies. Sometimes they resemble the ones in office, sometimes not.

It's a movie.

The little dictator doesn't dictate to THIS country.


 I agree with thee bolded.  And ffs, I have never met a group of people so predisposed to being pissed and scared of what "might" happen as some here.  Ebola anyone?  Right.  Remember the clutching of pearls over that?  This guy is wont be able to make a move without several countries, not just us being on it.  The sky Isn't falling.  EBOLA!!!!!

 


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And dammit, husker is making sense...I'm agreeing with him on this.


 There, there...it will be okay...

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He threatens to nuke japan every week. Do we give in to every demand he has because of that?


He threatens...this time he acted.  I'm not for giving up free speech either, but this hurt me personally.  Because they think they are funny.   


 I had no idea. I'm so very sorry to hear that.

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It still hasn't been proven who was responsible for the hack. Yes there was a hack, has he claimed responsibility? No. You're giving him credit based on conjecture.

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He threatens to nuke japan every week. Do we give in to every demand he has because of that?


He threatens...this time he acted.  I'm not for giving up free speech either, but this hurt me personally.  Because they think they are funny.   


 But everything hurts someone personally.  The families if those killed by ISIS wanted us to negotiate.   It's bad precedent.



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It still hasn't been proven who was responsible for the hack. Yes there was a hack, has he claimed responsibility? No. You're giving him credit based on conjecture.


You don't know what's going on behind the scenes.  Korea hasn't claimed responsibility, but we have proof they are responsible... 



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It still hasn't been proven who was responsible for the hack. Yes there was a hack, has he claimed responsibility? No. You're giving him credit based on conjecture.


 Yeah, we don't know they are related.  If we give in, it would certainly give him a good idea, though.



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He threatens to nuke japan every week. Do we give in to every demand he has because of that?


He threatens...this time he acted.  I'm not for giving up free speech either, but this hurt me personally.  Because they think they are funny.   


 But everything hurts someone personally.  The families if those killed by ISIS wanted us to negotiate.   It's bad precedent.


I don't want to negotiate, I want them to can the movie.  It's stupid anyway....



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huskerbb wrote:
voiceofreason wrote:

It still hasn't been proven who was responsible for the hack. Yes there was a hack, has he claimed responsibility? No. You're giving him credit based on conjecture.


 Yeah, we don't know they are related.  If we give in, it would certainly give him a good idea, though.


I DO know... 



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Not knowing the whole story hasn't ever stopped us from forming opinions. Shrug. I highly doubt that it's proveable otherwise the media would be all over this.

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voiceofreason wrote:

Not knowing the whole story hasn't ever stopped us from forming opinions. Shrug. I highly doubt that it's proveable otherwise the media would be all over this.


It's called damage control.  Sony isn't talking about anything... 



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Oh ffs. Stupid is subjective. You're going to be disappointed. They won't pull the movie. Tell me this, if someone said your movies were stupid a threatened to release social security numbers if you didn't can it, would you? Honestly, I doubt you would.

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Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
voiceofreason wrote:

It still hasn't been proven who was responsible for the hack. Yes there was a hack, has he claimed responsibility? No. You're giving him credit based on conjecture.


 Yeah, we don't know they are related.  If we give in, it would certainly give him a good idea, though.


I DO know... 


 Fine, but either way it's a horrible idea to give in.



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Oh ffs. Stupid is subjective. You're going to be disappointed. They won't pull the movie. Tell me this, if someone said your movies were stupid a threatened to release social security numbers if you didn't can it, would you? Honestly, I doubt you would.


 We'll see about that.  There are serious discussions.  Nothing has been made final. 



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