TOTALLY GEEKED!

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

RE: North Korean leader is ticked off - and I'm not sure I blame him.

Ohfour · Hooker

We had no choice but to pull the movie
No one would show it. My bonus is not happening not because of them pulling the movie
It's not happening because they made the stupid movie in the first place. THAT was stupid...

Ohfour · Hooker

NK wouldn't have pulled this schist if they had any respect for our president. Since no one here does why should they...

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
We had no choice but to pull the movie
No one would show it. My bonus is not happening not because of them pulling the movie
It's not happening because they made the stupid movie in the first place. THAT was stupid...

But you could apply the "stupid" standard to half the crap Hollywood puts out. Not really the point.

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
NK wouldn't have pulled this schist if they had any respect for our president. Since no one here does why should they...

Hmmm--that might be a valid point--but it's a moot one now since Sony stupidly caved, anyway.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Sorry you will not get your bonus O4.

Ohfour · Hooker

Insulting a world leader (whether he deserves it or not) and a crazy one at that was not a prudent move. And the company is suffering. Because of their stupidity.

Ohfour · Hooker

huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
NK wouldn't have pulled this schist if they had any respect for our president. Since no one here does why should they...
Hmmm--that might be a valid point--but it's a moot one now since Sony stupidly caved, anyway.

Sony really didn't "cave". No one would show it. That's not really caving...but I do think they should have never made it...

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

So nobody should make a movie , write an article , write a report etc that isnt favorable to a leader? Oh sure.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Are we seeing the beginning of the end of our free speech? How long until everything is censored?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
You said, and I quote "our government" when responding to my post about Obama.
Selective quoting. Nice for your credibility.
Um, what? Those are the words you used. Here's your entire quote. It changes NOTHING.

I agree with this. It also has nothing to do with freedom of speech, or anything else about our government.

I was talking about Obama and how he got into this. You equated him directly with "our government".

He's the PRESIDENT. The EXECUTIVE branch makes up 1/3 of the government. You have delved into ridiculous territory to say Obama has nothing to do with the government.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

lilyofcourse wrote:
Are we seeing the beginning of the end of our free speech? How long until everything is censored?

Lily - the government didn't tell them to pull the movie so this is not about freedom of speech. It's actually the free market in full freedom mode. The theater chains chose not to show it - so there is no demand.

And there is NOTHING that requires the theater chains to take risks because of Sony's decisions on principle because some people want them to.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Wednesday 17th of December 2014 07:44:18 PM

Ohfour · Hooker

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
So nobody should make a movie , write an article , write a report etc that isnt favorable to a leader? Oh sure.

Oh...they can. But they need to be able to handle the consequences.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Just to clear a few things -

This was not a parody. A parody is an imitation. And blowing up his head is not a parody. Comparing that to making fun of how Margaret Thatcher talks makes no sense.

Any movie made while Hitler was alive, even IF it portrayed killing him, would not have received world wide publicity and acknowledgement, and even if it did - computers were not an issue then. Comparing any type of publicity from the 40s to now ignores the realities of progress.

Sony screwed up - Sony should fix it. We demand apologies from public figures that make stupid comments all the time - this is no different.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Are we seeing the beginning of the end of our free speech? How long until everything is censored?
Lily - the government didn't tell them to pull the movie so this is not about freedom of speech. It's actually the free market in full freedom mode. The theater chains chose not to show it - so there is no demand.

And there is NOTHING that requires the theater chains to take risks because of Sony's decisions on principle because some people want them to.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Wednesday 17th of December 2014 07:44:18 PM

I understand that it was not our government pulling the film.

However it is another countries government and they have made enough of a fuss to stop the release of an American movie.

Another country just controlled an American business.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Are we seeing the beginning of the end of our free speech? How long until everything is censored?
Lily - the government didn't tell them to pull the movie so this is not about freedom of speech. It's actually the free market in full freedom mode. The theater chains chose not to show it - so there is no demand.

And there is NOTHING that requires the theater chains to take risks because of Sony's decisions on principle because some people want them to.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Wednesday 17th of December 2014 07:44:18 PM
I understand that it was not our government pulling the film.
However it is another countries government and they have made enough of a fuss to stop the release of an American movie.
Another country just controlled an American business.

Another country reacted to something an American business did that was out of line. Was hacking the system right? No.

But, look at it this way. A guy has a wife and she's a bitch with a capital B, but she's still his wife. This guy comes up to him and says "Man, your wife is a Bitch. All I can think about is all the ways I want to kill her. Thinking of her head exploding and her brains splattering everywhere makes me happy!" The guy is going to get decked. Is punching him right? No. But, it's understandable. And if the husband holds him down and keeps punching him until he apologizes - apologizing is the prudent thing to do b/c he was in the wrong in the first damn place.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

No.

it's like this.

N.K. and the rest of the world knows that America can be controlled. That a few threats and some leaked information is all it takes.

I completely understand those who don't want their personal business out there.

But what has been accomplished?

The damage is done and nothing is to stop more information from being revealed.

I don't like the example that has been set.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

lilyofcourse wrote:
No.

it's like this.

N.K. and the rest of the world knows that America can be controlled. That a few threats and some leaked information is all it takes.

I completely understand those who don't want their personal business out there.

But what has been accomplished?

The damage is done and nothing is to stop more information from being revealed.

I don't like the example that has been set.

Oh well. I think the safety of our children is more important. And by pulling the movie, they have probably saved the other movies from tanking. Also - I don't like that the movie was made in the first place. It was in horribly bad taste so I don't care that Sony pulled a really bad movie that had crappy reviews anyway. It's just not worth it.

"Bruce Nash, founder of box office site TheNumbers, said that Christmas is one of the busiest times of year for moviegoing and is particularly strong for family films. Any perceived danger or threat might have depressed ticket sales.

“It was never going to be one of the big films of Christmas and clearly chains are going to be concerned about making sure people feel comfortable bringing their children to ‘Annie,’ ‘Into the Woods’ or ‘Night at the Museum,” said Nash."

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And exactly how is my analogy wrong? Just because you think North Korea is the bully? Sony started it. NK finished it. Don't start something you have no control over.

Ohfour · Hooker

I agree. We CAN be controlled. Because we have become a puassy country under our loser in chief. Sony caved. Right or wrong, where is our leader on this...*crickets*...
He doesn't give a flying fvck. He's more worried about sucking Castro's dyck...

voiceofreason · Guru

Klassy.

Ohfour · Hooker

I have way more class than that idiot or his entitled family...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Your analogy is not even close to the same thing because a domestic depute is not going to cause a movie to be pulled because some foreign country doesn't like it.

Saved our children? No. Our children just became bigger targets. Because now the example has been set.

All another country has to do is make a little noise and an American company folds.

So what is next? The N.K. doesn't like something else, something bigger like maybe a magazine article talking about the situation over there. So they make a little noise, a few threats and it gets pulled.

Maybe everything we watch, read, listen to or any thing else be run by them first.

At one time, N.K. would have basically gotten the finger.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Why are scary vibes of Bengazi going through my mind.. confuse
Oh, yeah, something about falsifying a report that the attack was due to some writer or something. evileye

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

just Czech wrote:
Why are scary vibes of Bengazi going through my mind..
Oh, yeah, something about falsifying a report that the attack was due to some writer or something.

????? This is not even remotely the same thing. I can't believe any of you think Sony is blameless in this. Unbelievable. disbelief

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Just to clear a few things -

This was not a parody. A parody is an imitation. And blowing up his head is not a parody. Comparing that to making fun of how Margaret Thatcher talks makes no sense.

Any movie made while Hitler was alive, even IF it portrayed killing him, would not have received world wide publicity and acknowledgement, and even if it did - computers were not an issue then. Comparing any type of publicity from the 40s to now ignores the realities of progress.

Sony screwed up - Sony should fix it. We demand apologies from public figures that make stupid comments all the time - this is no different.

BS. Your answer is a cop out. You know darn well that it is a bad idea to give in to thugs and terrorists. I don't see how you can justify support of such a regime.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
So nobody should make a movie , write an article , write a report etc that isnt favorable to a leader? Oh sure.
Oh...they can. But they need to be able to handle the consequences.

Oh, so don't write a book because the jihadist are going to go ape schit and want to kill you? Don't speak up about anything then? Sorry, succumbing to the bullies is a never ending cycle. They will NEVER be satisfied. And, they will imagine all sorts of slights wherever and whenever all all kinds of things.

Ohfour · Hooker

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Just to clear a few things -

This was not a parody. A parody is an imitation. And blowing up his head is not a parody. Comparing that to making fun of how Margaret Thatcher talks makes no sense.

Any movie made while Hitler was alive, even IF it portrayed killing him, would not have received world wide publicity and acknowledgement, and even if it did - computers were not an issue then. Comparing any type of publicity from the 40s to now ignores the realities of progress.

Sony screwed up - Sony should fix it. We demand apologies from public figures that make stupid comments all the time - this is no different.

BS. Your answer is a cop out. You know darn well that it is a bad idea to give in to thugs and terrorists. I don't see how you can justify support of such a regime.

It's a bad idea to poke the bear. And if you do, you suffer the consequences. American businesses decided they didn't want to be a part of this. So they backed away. They have that right...

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Just to clear a few things -

This was not a parody. A parody is an imitation. And blowing up his head is not a parody. Comparing that to making fun of how Margaret Thatcher talks makes no sense.

Any movie made while Hitler was alive, even IF it portrayed killing him, would not have received world wide publicity and acknowledgement, and even if it did - computers were not an issue then. Comparing any type of publicity from the 40s to now ignores the realities of progress.

Sony screwed up - Sony should fix it. We demand apologies from public figures that make stupid comments all the time - this is no different.

BS. Your answer is a cop out. You know darn well that it is a bad idea to give in to thugs and terrorists. I don't see how you can justify support of such a regime.
It's a bad idea to poke the bear. And if you do, you suffer the consequences. American businesses decided they didn't want to be a part of this. So they backed away. They have that right...

Oh. So we should back down every time he throws a tantrum. Got it.

huskerbb · Guru

Also, we are under the threat of terror EVERY DAY in this country.

Should we stop flying? Stop going to major sporting events when a bomb threat is called in? Stop reporting news that is negative towards Muslims and Islam because they threaten to retaliate for such stories?

Part of the way to defeat terror is to be as vigilant as we can possibly be--but continue to live how we want to live.

burns07 · Guru

just because sony exhibited poor judgment doesn't mean WE have to--they screwed-up with a poor idea for a film--they deserve to lose money--the graphic depiction of the murder of a sitting head of state is bound to be provocative but, regardless of the target, is a bad idea--pretty damned stupid

if you want to see pulling it as somehow " bowing to terrorists " then go ahead--personally see it as bowing to decency and honor--why allow the production / promotion of sheer crap under our aegis ? we have more sense than that, more decency--regardless what others in the world may think

huskerbb · Guru

burns07 wrote:

just because sony exhibited poor judgment doesn't mean WE have to--they screwed-up with a poor idea for a film--they deserve to lose money--the graphic depiction of the murder of a sitting head of state is bound to be provocative but, regardless of the target, is a bad idea--pretty damned stupid

if you want to see pulling it as somehow " bowing to terrorists " then go ahead--personally see it as bowing to decency and honor--why allow the production / promotion of sheer crap under our aegis ? we have more sense than that, more decency--regardless what others in the world may think

First of all, are you saying that anything that doesn't meet a certain standard (set by whom, I might ask) be censored????

Second, half of everything Hollywood puts out could fall into the "sheer crap" category--but it never bothered anyone until now.

Ohfour · Hooker

huskerbb wrote:
Also, we are under the threat of terror EVERY DAY in this country.

Should we stop flying? Stop going to major sporting events when a bomb threat is called in? Stop reporting news that is negative towards Muslims and Islam because they threaten to retaliate for such stories?

Part of the way to defeat terror is to be as vigilant as we can possibly be--but continue to live how we want to live.

And the movie theaters are doing just that. Living how they want to live. They made a business decision. They felt the risk was too high. They have that right.

voiceofreason · Guru

If you really can't see how awful this is, no one is going to be able to change your mind. Just a thought though....there was an actual blood bath in aurora Colorado, actual harm, and not one of the big 5 called for a ban on guns. But one leader, thousands of miles away, whispers a threat snd we ban a film? The mind boggles.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Just to clear a few things -

This was not a parody. A parody is an imitation. And blowing up his head is not a parody. Comparing that to making fun of how Margaret Thatcher talks makes no sense.

Any movie made while Hitler was alive, even IF it portrayed killing him, would not have received world wide publicity and acknowledgement, and even if it did - computers were not an issue then. Comparing any type of publicity from the 40s to now ignores the realities of progress.

Sony screwed up - Sony should fix it. We demand apologies from public figures that make stupid comments all the time - this is no different.

BS. Your answer is a cop out. You know darn well that it is a bad idea to give in to thugs and terrorists. I don't see how you can justify support of such a regime.

There you go - assuming things again. I do not "support" the North Korean regime. I said I understand why they are pissed off.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

burns07 wrote:

just because sony exhibited poor judgment doesn't mean WE have to--they screwed-up with a poor idea for a film--they deserve to lose money--the graphic depiction of the murder of a sitting head of state is bound to be provocative but, regardless of the target, is a bad idea--pretty damned stupid

if you want to see pulling it as somehow " bowing to terrorists " then go ahead--personally see it as bowing to decency and honor--why allow the production / promotion of sheer crap under our aegis ? we have more sense than that, more decency--regardless what others in the world may think

Yes. It's not the rest of our faults Sony made a stupid, crappy movie that pissed of an entire country.

Ohfour · Hooker

voiceofreason wrote:
If you really can't see how awful this is, no one is going to be able to change your mind. Just a thought though....there was an actual blood bath in aurora Colorado, actual harm, and not one of the big 5 called for a ban on guns. But one leader, thousands of miles away, whispers a threat snd we ban a film? The mind boggles.

Lots of theaters don't allow guns. What's your point?

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Also, we are under the threat of terror EVERY DAY in this country.

Should we stop flying? Stop going to major sporting events when a bomb threat is called in? Stop reporting news that is negative towards Muslims and Islam because they threaten to retaliate for such stories?

Part of the way to defeat terror is to be as vigilant as we can possibly be--but continue to live how we want to live.

And the movie theaters are doing just that. Living how they want to live. They made a business decision. They felt the risk was too high. They have that right.

No they aren't. Before all this they would have shown it. They caved. it's not a choice they wanted to make.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Just to clear a few things -

This was not a parody. A parody is an imitation. And blowing up his head is not a parody. Comparing that to making fun of how Margaret Thatcher talks makes no sense.

Any movie made while Hitler was alive, even IF it portrayed killing him, would not have received world wide publicity and acknowledgement, and even if it did - computers were not an issue then. Comparing any type of publicity from the 40s to now ignores the realities of progress.

Sony screwed up - Sony should fix it. We demand apologies from public figures that make stupid comments all the time - this is no different.

BS. Your answer is a cop out. You know darn well that it is a bad idea to give in to thugs and terrorists. I don't see how you can justify support of such a regime.
There you go - assuming things again. I do not "support" the North Korean regime. I said I understand why they are pissed off.

Advocation of giving in is support.

Ohfour · Hooker

huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Also, we are under the threat of terror EVERY DAY in this country.

Should we stop flying? Stop going to major sporting events when a bomb threat is called in? Stop reporting news that is negative towards Muslims and Islam because they threaten to retaliate for such stories?

Part of the way to defeat terror is to be as vigilant as we can possibly be--but continue to live how we want to live.

And the movie theaters are doing just that. Living how they want to live. They made a business decision. They felt the risk was too high. They have that right.
No they aren't. Before all this they would have shown it. They caved. it's not a choice they wanted to make.

What are you talking about? You make no sense.

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Also, we are under the threat of terror EVERY DAY in this country.

Should we stop flying? Stop going to major sporting events when a bomb threat is called in? Stop reporting news that is negative towards Muslims and Islam because they threaten to retaliate for such stories?

Part of the way to defeat terror is to be as vigilant as we can possibly be--but continue to live how we want to live.

And the movie theaters are doing just that. Living how they want to live. They made a business decision. They felt the risk was too high. They have that right.
No they aren't. Before all this they would have shown it. They caved. it's not a choice they wanted to make.
What are you talking about? You make no sense.

What are you talking about? They were absolutely planning to show the film before all this happened. Duh

Tinydancer · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Just to clear a few things -

This was not a parody. A parody is an imitation. And blowing up his head is not a parody. Comparing that to making fun of how Margaret Thatcher talks makes no sense.

Any movie made while Hitler was alive, even IF it portrayed killing him, would not have received world wide publicity and acknowledgement, and even if it did - computers were not an issue then. Comparing any type of publicity from the 40s to now ignores the realities of progress.

Sony screwed up - Sony should fix it. We demand apologies from public figures that make stupid comments all the time - this is no different.

BS. Your answer is a cop out. You know darn well that it is a bad idea to give in to thugs and terrorists. I don't see how you can justify support of such a regime.
There you go - assuming things again. I do not "support" the North Korean regime. I said I understand why they are pissed off.
Advocation of giving in is support.

Now this is a ridiculous post. So because she doesn't agree with you it means she supports NK? You must be joking or do you really belive this crap you posted?

Ohfour · Hooker

huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Also, we are under the threat of terror EVERY DAY in this country.

Should we stop flying? Stop going to major sporting events when a bomb threat is called in? Stop reporting news that is negative towards Muslims and Islam because they threaten to retaliate for such stories?

Part of the way to defeat terror is to be as vigilant as we can possibly be--but continue to live how we want to live.

And the movie theaters are doing just that. Living how they want to live. They made a business decision. They felt the risk was too high. They have that right.
No they aren't. Before all this they would have shown it. They caved. it's not a choice they wanted to make.
What are you talking about? You make no sense.
What are you talking about? They were absolutely planning to show the film before all this happened. Duh

Of course they were...and then there was a threat. And they made a sound business decision not to show the movie.

huskerbb · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Just to clear a few things -

This was not a parody. A parody is an imitation. And blowing up his head is not a parody. Comparing that to making fun of how Margaret Thatcher talks makes no sense.

Any movie made while Hitler was alive, even IF it portrayed killing him, would not have received world wide publicity and acknowledgement, and even if it did - computers were not an issue then. Comparing any type of publicity from the 40s to now ignores the realities of progress.

Sony screwed up - Sony should fix it. We demand apologies from public figures that make stupid comments all the time - this is no different.

BS. Your answer is a cop out. You know darn well that it is a bad idea to give in to thugs and terrorists. I don't see how you can justify support of such a regime.
There you go - assuming things again. I do not "support" the North Korean regime. I said I understand why they are pissed off.
Advocation of giving in is support.
Now this is a ridiculous post. So because she doesn't agree with you it means she supports NK? You must be joking or do you really belive this crap you posted?

It has nothing to do with me. It has to do with her sympathy for their position.

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Also, we are under the threat of terror EVERY DAY in this country.

Should we stop flying? Stop going to major sporting events when a bomb threat is called in? Stop reporting news that is negative towards Muslims and Islam because they threaten to retaliate for such stories?

Part of the way to defeat terror is to be as vigilant as we can possibly be--but continue to live how we want to live.

And the movie theaters are doing just that. Living how they want to live. They made a business decision. They felt the risk was too high. They have that right.
No they aren't. Before all this they would have shown it. They caved. it's not a choice they wanted to make.
What are you talking about? You make no sense.
What are you talking about? They were absolutely planning to show the film before all this happened. Duh
Of course they were...and then there was a threat. And they made a sound business decision not to show the movie.

um, yeah. Like I said it wasn't a decision they wanted to make or would have otherwise made.

Ohfour · Hooker

Of course it wasn't! That's what this is about...a threat was made, they decided to pull. What are you arguing about?

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Of course it wasn't! That's what this is about...a threat was made, they decided to pull. What are you arguing about?

You are arguing that they didn't cave when they did. It's not even clear it's the best business decision. They almost undoubtedly would have made money with this much publicity.

Ohfour · Hooker

huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Of course it wasn't! That's what this is about...a threat was made, they decided to pull. What are you arguing about?
You are arguing that they didn't cave when they did. It's not even clear it's the best business decision. They almost undoubtedly would have made money with this much publicity.

SONY DIDN'T CAVE. What do you not comprehend about that????

huskerbb · Guru

I was talking about the theaters.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
I was talking about the theaters.

The theaters have absolutely no reason to make themselves a target. They did not make the movie - they are collateral to this. They have the RIGHT to not get in the middle of this by choosing not to show the movie. It's isn't their fight.