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JoAnn Windholz: In this Dec. 15, 2014 photo, made available by Colorado House Republicans, Colorado Republican Rep. JoAnn Windholz is pictured in Larkspur, Colo.  © AP Photo/Colorado House Republicans In this Dec. 15, 2014 photo, made available by Colorado House Republicans, Colorado Republican Rep. JoAnn Windholz is pictured in Larkspur, Colo. 

DENVER — Powdered alcohol hasn't even arrived in stores yet, but states already are moving to ban the product touted by its inventor as an easy way to mix a drink on the go.

Colorado is the latest state considering prohibiting "Palcohol" amid concern it will increase underage drinking. The product is marketed as an ounce of rum or vodka in powdered form, which is then added to water.

Each serving is the equivalent of a shot of liquor, according to Lipsmark, the company that owns Palcohol.

"I think being proactive and jumping out in front of the problem is probably the right thing to do," said Chris Johnson, executive director of the County Sheriffs of Colorado. "It really doesn't have any place in our society, powered alcohol. We have enough problems with the liquid kind."

Johnson said he fears powdered alcohol will make it easier for children to "sprinkle it on top of their Wheaties for breakfast" and increase the potential for alcohol poisoning.

"It can be a very dangerous thing," he said.

The company's website notes various instances where they argue the product would be convenient, including on flights and as an antiseptic on remote locations. Palcohol's creator, Mark Phillips, said he thought of the idea because it would be easier to carry powder for a drink during a long hike or other outdoor activities.

Alaska, Delaware, Louisiana, South Carolina and Vermont already have banned powdered alcohol, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Minnesota, Ohio, and New York also are considering bans, the organization said.

In a video posted on the company's website, Phillips dismisses the concerns about underage drinking, noting the product would be sold only at liquor stores to people 21 and older. In the video, he also argues it would be impractical for people to snort the powder, as some critics fear, because it would be painful to do and the amount of powder in a package fills about half a glass tumbler.

The company doesn't expect Palcohol will be available in stores until spring 2015 at the earliest. They're still waiting for labeling approval from the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau. The Food and Drug Administration said it does not have a legal basis to block the product after examining the non-alcoholic ingredients in the powder.

Lynne Barbour, director of communications for Palcohol, said states should control the product instead of banning it.

"We believe it should be regulated and taxed," she said in an email.

In addition to making Palcohol available as powdered rum and vodka, the company plans four ****tail varieties — Cosmopolitan, Mojito, Lemon Drop, and Powderita.

Republican Rep. JoAnn Windholz is sponsoring a bill to ban powdered alcohol in Colorado during the legislative session that begins next month. She said it's prudent for states to ban the product until they know how it can affect people if it happens to be stronger than liquid alcohol — another concern Phillips contends is unfounded.It can be taken into schools, it can be taken into sports (events), Broncos games, whatever," she said

 

 

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I would be content if my stupid state allowed alcohol sales on Sunday...

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I know. What a hardship to have to stockpile on Saturday!

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I know. What a hardship to have to stockpile on Saturday!


 It's the PRINCIPLE of the thing...biggrin

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Which is what exactly?

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Which is what exactly?


 It doesn't make sense that you can go to a restaurant or bar and have a drink AND that wineries can sell wine here. Just be consistent.

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Make sense to whom? Is everything in life supposed to be available to you 24/7?

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Make sense to whom? Is everything in life supposed to be available to you 24/7?


 Well...OF COURSE!

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How much booze do you drink a week?

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How much booze do you drink a week?


 Depends.

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How about an average?

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Couple glasses of wine a night, usually.

The law is antiquated & illogical...one of many things that annoy me about living here.

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Really? You are going to waste your time and energy being "annoyed" over something like that?

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Really? You are going to waste your time and energy being "annoyed" over something like that?


 Doesn't take much time or energy, dear friend!

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What annoys you????

Inquiring minds...

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It annoys me that if I am at the grocery store at 11:45 on a Sunday, I can't purchase the bottle of wine I need to make Sunday dinner. Because it's before noon on a Sunday so no beer or wine can be sold. Dumb.
It's only happened a few times, but yes, it was a bit annoying.

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Drink to excess on Saturday so it will get you through till Monday Morning!

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We had the no Sunday sales but then if was defeated. I mean playing pool on Sunday, hanging out. Ooops! No beer! We'd drive to the state line where it was allowed so the MA folks wouldn't buy it in NH.



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Well, I mean is it really that difficult to you know, plan ahead and keep some stash?

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Well, I mean is it really that difficult to you know, plan ahead and keep some stash?


 I find limiting alcohol sales more annoying than limiting the size of a soda.



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Well, if ya party up on Saturday and a different group shows Sunday...


ooops! I want to make chicken piccata but am out of wine.

My liquor store stays open until 9 on Sundays now!

Yell at Tom Brady, run over for refills.

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I would be content if my stupid state allowed alcohol sales on Sunday...

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 The law banning alcohol sales on Election Day always made me laugh when I lived there. And don't forget that at a restaurant like Applebee's, the bar area has to be in a completely separate part of the restaurant with 4 walls and a doorway and minors cannot sit in the bar area even if accompanied by their parents.  Indiana is a southern state stuck up north IMHO. 



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In TN, you can't buy wine in grocery stores (but that is going to change in 2016).

You couldn't buy beer until noon on Sunday's until the Titans came to town, but that changed real quick. Now you can buy beer at 10:00 on Sundays.

All liquor stores are closed on Sundays, New Years Day, 4th Of July, Labor Day, Memorial Day, Christmas, & Thanksgiving.

Until last month, liquor stores were ONLY allowed to sell liquor and wine. ONLY. Now they can sell mixers, beer, and even corkscrews!

Lynchburg, (where Jack Daniel's is made) is in a dry county. No alcohol is served or sold there EVER. Figure that one out...

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flan327 wrote:

I would be content if my stupid state allowed alcohol sales on Sunday...

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 The law banning alcohol sales on Election Day always made me laugh when I lived there. And don't forget that at a restaurant like Applebee's, the bar area has to be in a completely separate part of the restaurant with 4 walls and a doorway and minors cannot sit in the bar area even if accompanied by their parents.  Indiana is a southern state stuck up north IMHO. 


 Don't EVEN get me started on same-sex marriage or legalizing pot...

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In TN, you can't buy wine in grocery stores (but that is going to change in 2016).

You couldn't buy beer until noon on Sunday's until the Titans came to town, but that changed real quick. Now you can buy beer at 10:00 on Sundays.

All liquor stores are closed on Sundays, New Years Day, 4th Of July, Labor Day, Memorial Day, Christmas, & Thanksgiving.

Until last month, liquor stores were ONLY allowed to sell liquor and wine. ONLY. Now they can sell mixers, beer, and even corkscrews!

Lynchburg, (where Jack Daniel's is made) is in a dry county. No alcohol is served or sold there EVER. Figure that one out...


 What the WHAT????

When I was in Connecticut, groceries only sold beer. For wine or hard liquor, that meant a liquor store.

And I rarely go inside a gas station here, but I did a few months ago & saw wine & beer in the cooler. News to me!

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I would be content if my stupid state allowed alcohol sales on Sunday...

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 The law banning alcohol sales on Election Day always made me laugh when I lived there. And don't forget that at a restaurant like Applebee's, the bar area has to be in a completely separate part of the restaurant with 4 walls and a doorway and minors cannot sit in the bar area even if accompanied by their parents.  Indiana is a southern state stuck up north IMHO. 


 Don't EVEN get me started on same-sex marriage or legalizing pot...

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 Preaching to the choir sister! Lol

DH was offered a job back in Indiana (we are happy here, it was a Hail Mary by someone who needed to fill a position). I told him if he wanted to move back to Indiana, I sure would miss him. Lol



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In TN, you can't buy wine in grocery stores (but that is going to change in 2016).

You couldn't buy beer until noon on Sunday's until the Titans came to town, but that changed real quick. Now you can buy beer at 10:00 on Sundays.

All liquor stores are closed on Sundays, New Years Day, 4th Of July, Labor Day, Memorial Day, Christmas, & Thanksgiving.

Until last month, liquor stores were ONLY allowed to sell liquor and wine. ONLY. Now they can sell mixers, beer, and even corkscrews!

Lynchburg, (where Jack Daniel's is made) is in a dry county. No alcohol is served or sold there EVER. Figure that one out...


 What the WHAT????

When I was in Connecticut, groceries only sold beer. For wine or hard liquor, that meant a liquor store.

And I rarely go inside a gas station here, but I did a few months ago & saw wine & beer in the cooler. News to me!

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Well, if ya party up on Saturday and a different group shows Sunday...


ooops! I want to make chicken piccata but am out of wine.

My liquor store stays open until 9 on Sundays now!

Yell at Tom Brady, run over for refills.


 NH stores are cheaper than Ma! na nana na! And Pfffttt



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Move to Iowa. They sell alcohol in grocery stores, convenience stores, and you can buy it any day of the week. One of our convenience stores in town is like a mini liquor store- wine, hard liquor, beer, etc. I think at Walmart they won't let you buy after 2 am until a certain time in the morning, but I've never tried to buy alcohol at that time of day.

I went to Illinois to visit and was shocked that they couldn't buy alcohol in grocery stores or convenience stores. We went for my cousin's college graduation one time and it was 100 degrees out, so we drove around looking for a place to go for a beer, on a Sunday, and finally found one restaurant that had a bar that we could get beer at. We couldn't believe how hard it was to find beer on a Sunday.



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you can buy it everywhere in California. Yay, more hooch for me!

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Ohio has drive through liquor stores where you can buy cold beer by the can! A single can. People in Indiana would get the vapors. Lol

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you can buy it everywhere in California. Yay, more hooch for me!


 A fifth of Jack in TN is $22. In CA at Walgelreens its $15...go figure...



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Ohio has drive through liquor stores where you can buy cold beer by the can! A single can. People in Indiana would get the vapors. Lol


 KY does too...just not on Sunday...:(



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I usually buy Barefoot wine. In Indy, it's $5 a bottle. I found it at Wal-Mart in Hilton Head for $3...Yowza!

Yet another reason to move!

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I never understood the blue laws against the sale of alcohol. Alcohol isn't banned in the Bible, only the over indulgence of it is.

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I never understood the blue laws against the sale of alcohol. Alcohol isn't banned in the Bible, only the over indulgence of it is.


Blue laws were not designed to stop drinking altogether, but to "remember the sabbath and keep it holy".  Also - a lot of temperance women wanted at least one day a week they could have their husbands at home instead of the saloon.  The secular reasoning and rationale for blue laws instead of it being the sabbath is that it is good to have one day a week as a day of rest to spend with family, which is how the Supreme Court has upheld it.   Traditional blue laws were not always restricted to alcohol, they kept businesses closed for a day of rest.  Some cities still restrict the opening of stores that sell non-essential items on Sunday, not just alcohol.

 

And blue laws are common in a lot of countries, not just here - but they are not always Sundays.



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It's wikipedia, but oh well, it explains it rather well -


Many states prohibit selling alcohol for on and off-premise sales in one form or another on Sundays at some restricted time, under the idea that people should be in church on Sunday morning, or at least not drinking.

Another feature of blue laws in the United States restricts the purchase of particular items on Sundays. Some of these laws restrict the ability to buy cars, groceries, office supplies, and housewares among other things. Though most of these laws have been relaxed or repealed in most states, they are still enforced in some other states.

Some states prohibit some forms of hunting in various degrees on Sundays. For example Virginia allows the use of hounds to chase wild game but does not permit hunters to still hunt on Sunday.

Blue laws may also prohibit retail activity on days other than Sunday. In Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Maine (which was previously part of Massachusetts),[12] for example, blue laws prohibit most retail stores, including grocery stores, from opening on Thanksgiving and Christmas.[13]

Bergen County, New Jersey, is the last remaining county that prohibits the sale of clothing, shoes, furniture, home appliances and certain other items on Sundays for secular reasons voted to keep by residents through numerous referendums. Paramus, New Jersey, bans any type of employment except necessary items like food, gasoline, entertainment venues, and hotels.[citation needed]
Court cases

The Supreme Court of the United States held in its landmark case, McGowan v. Maryland (1961), that Maryland's blue laws violated neither the Free Exercise Clause nor the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. It approved the state's blue law restricting commercial activities on Sunday, noting that while such laws originated to encourage attendance at Christian churches, the contemporary Maryland laws were intended to serve "to provide a uniform day of rest for all citizens" on a secular basis and to promote the secular values of "health, safety, recreation, and general well-being" through a common day of rest. That this day coincides with Christian Sabbath is not a bar to the state's secular goals; it neither reduces its effectiveness for secular purposes nor prevents adherents of other religions from observing their own holy days.[14]

There were four landmark Sunday-law cases altogether in 1961. The other three were Gallagher v. Crown Kosher Super Market of Mass., Inc., 366 U.S. 617 (1961); Braunfeld v. Brown, 366 U.S. 599 (1961); Two Guys from Harrison vs. McGinley, 366 U.S. 582 (1961).[15]

In March 2006, Texas judges upheld the state blue law that requires car dealerships to close either Saturday or Sunday each weekend.[16]

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I understand all of that, and I agree with most of it. My issue is with the alcohol blue laws only, when they conflict with other laws that allow a place of business to be open.

A store that sells alcohol in a state, county, or city with "no alcohol on Sunday" blue laws can still be open on Sunday, but they can't sell alcohol. Why? It just doesn't make any sense.

I can even understand the prohibition on saloons or bars not being open, to foster "the be with family" idea behind blue laws, because their business is "stay here and drink" based. But if you can run to the store to get bread, milk, and eggs, why can't you pick up some wine or beer, if the store sells it, while you are there? It just doesn't make sense.

Considering John 2, where Jesus turned water into wine at a family event, specifically a wedding, it actually seems almost UN-Christian to back blue laws of this nature.

Not trying to argue, I just don't get it. I probably never will.

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I understand all of that, and I agree with most of it. My issue is with the alcohol blue laws only, when they conflict with other laws that allow a place of business to be open.

A store that sells alcohol in a state, county, or city with "no alcohol on Sunday" blue laws can still be open on Sunday, but they can't sell alcohol. Why? It just doesn't make any sense.

I can even understand the prohibition on saloons or bars not being open, to foster "the be with family" idea behind blue laws, because their business is "stay here and drink" based. But if you can run to the store to get bread, milk, and eggs, why can't you pick up some wine or beer, if the store sells it, while you are there? It just doesn't make sense.

Considering John 2, where Jesus turned water into wine at a family event, specifically a wedding, it actually seems almost UN-Christian to back blue laws of this nature.

Not trying to argue, I just don't get it. I probably never will.


 I can't disagree with you.  I think now it's tradition more than anything.  Some people don't like change, and their attitude is "why does it matter - buy your booze on Saturday and it's not an issue".  And so far, those votes outnumber the others.

 

Although - if bars can't be open, it would not be an equal law for stores to be able to sell liquor when they can't.  Which is likely the LEGAL reasoning for it.



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Whenever my parents drive out to Cali they always stock up. It's so much cheaper. I remember the first time I took Mr. FNW home for the holidays. We decided to stop at Ralph's (grocery store) to pick up some flowers and he almost had a heart attack when he saw a Vodka display on top of the frozen fish. Then I showed him the prices.

We can buy beer and wine in grocery stores, but liquor is sold at state run stores. MIL used to tell me it was hard to come by up in PA where she lived, and ask us to bring up Gin when we visited. Then I saw a liquor store on the next street over from her home (she lived in town) which I pointed out to Mr. FNW. It wasn't that it was unavailable, she was being cheap. We never brought her any more after that.



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VA liquor stores started being open on Sundays about 10 or so years ago. They are only open 1:00pm - 6:00pm but at least they are open. You can buy beer & wine all dy long at the grocery or convenience stores.

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When I lived in Indiana, they were putting the "no alcohol sales on Sunday" law up for a vote in the state legislature. The liquor store owners were actually against it! They said they would lose money by staffing the stores when they would not be busy. In reality, they were afraid the big box retailers would gobble up a greater share of the business if sales were allowed on Sunday.

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you can buy it everywhere in California. Yay, more hooch for me!


 A fifth of Jack in TN is $22. In CA at Walgelreens its $15...go figure...


 Its much more economical to buy the big bottles from Costco.



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you can buy it everywhere in California. Yay, more hooch for me!


 A fifth of Jack in TN is $22. In CA at Walgelreens its $15...go figure...


 Its much more economical to buy the big bottles from Costco.


 I told her that last week!  Well not the Costco part, just the bigger bottles.  They are voting here on whether Costco can sell liquor.  I'm not sure when the vote is.



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When I lived in Indiana, they were putting the "no alcohol sales on Sunday" law up for a vote in the state legislature. The liquor store owners were actually against it! They said they would lose money by staffing the stores when they would not be busy. In reality, they were afraid the big box retailers would gobble up a greater share of the business if sales were allowed on Sunday.

It didn't pass.


 I had no idea!

Maybe the liquor store owners should...I don't know...LOWER their prices?

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When I lived in Indiana, they were putting the "no alcohol sales on Sunday" law up for a vote in the state legislature. The liquor store owners were actually against it! They said they would lose money by staffing the stores when they would not be busy. In reality, they were afraid the big box retailers would gobble up a greater share of the business if sales were allowed on Sunday.

It didn't pass.


 I had no idea!

Maybe the liquor store owners should...I don't know...LOWER their prices?

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 Right? We don't really have liquor stores in Ohio, you get what you need at the grocery store. In Minnesota, there are liquor stores but they have to be separate from the grocery store with separate doors and everything. A lot are owned by Native Americans.  

 

The liquor store owners in Indiana were convinced that the Target's of the world would just take over their business and they wouldn't be able to afford being open on Sunday because of low volume. I doubt it would have been as much gloom and doom as they thought. 



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I know. What a hardship to have to stockpile on Saturday!


It is a pain in the ass--and for what?  NOTHING.

 

Sometimes you don't anticipate that you will have company on Sunday, but you'd like a bottle of wine if you do.

Sometimes you forget.

There is no legitimate reason on God's green earth that a product that is legal to buy the other six days of the week should not be available on a certain day.   



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So what? Banks used to closed Saturdays and Sundays. Big whoop. Every business doen'st have to run 24/7 to suit you.

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As to the powdered alcohol--

I don't think it is fair to "ban" it completely because they are worried about a certain segment of the population getting it. That is not the fault of the inventors or distributors.

Will teens get it? Undoubtedly.

Do they get alcohol now, anyway? Duh.

I do think they need to be careful about the packaging and try to make it difficult to shoplift--but as far as selling it, it can be regulated like any other alcohol product.

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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.

 

Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.

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