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Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

RE: Powdered alcohol? Not so fast, lawmakers say

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Indiana -

Want to buy a cold beer in Indiana? Better not head to a pharmacy, grocery or convenience store.

How about a carry-out bottle of wine or a six-pack of beer on a Sunday? Stay away from grocery stores, liquor stores, convenience stores, bars and restaurants.

After a federal judge last week upheld the limits on cold beer sales, the restrictions aren't likely to be repealed anytime soon.

In repeated David vs. Goliath victories at the Statehouse, the small-but-mighty package liquor store lobby for years has been able to stymie efforts by the larger grocery store and convenience store lobbies to repeal the decades-old laws.

Why? Political watchers say package liquor stores are winning because they are owned by Hoosiers who believe they are in a fight for survival. So they focus their efforts at the Statehouse with laser-like precision to preserve their near-monopoly on carry-out cold beer sales and stop efforts that would make them go to the expense of staffing their stores on Sundays.

Grocery, pharmacy and convenience store chains — mostly based out of state — spend plenty of time and money lobbying, but they have to spread their attention among dozens of issues every year.

Considering those circumstances, political observers say, it's unlikely the legislature will change laws in a way that could very well hurt locally-owned package liquor stores.

From: http://www.indystar.com/story/money/2014/06/21/will-indiana-ever-expand-sunday-alcohol-cold-beer-sales/11137129/

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Thanks for posting that, LL.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

You are welcome.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Indiana -

Want to buy a cold beer in Indiana? Better not head to a pharmacy, grocery or convenience store.

How about a carry-out bottle of wine or a six-pack of beer on a Sunday? Stay away from grocery stores, liquor stores, convenience stores, bars and restaurants.

After a federal judge last week upheld the limits on cold beer sales, the restrictions aren't likely to be repealed anytime soon.

In repeated David vs. Goliath victories at the Statehouse, the small-but-mighty package liquor store lobby for years has been able to stymie efforts by the larger grocery store and convenience store lobbies to repeal the decades-old laws.

Why? Political watchers say package liquor stores are winning because they are owned by Hoosiers who believe they are in a fight for survival. So they focus their efforts at the Statehouse with laser-like precision to preserve their near-monopoly on carry-out cold beer sales and stop efforts that would make them go to the expense of staffing their stores on Sundays.

Grocery, pharmacy and convenience store chains — mostly based out of state — spend plenty of time and money lobbying, but they have to spread their attention among dozens of issues every year.

Considering those circumstances, political observers say, it's unlikely the legislature will change laws in a way that could very well hurt locally-owned package liquor stores.

From: http://www.indystar.com/story/money/2014/06/21/will-indiana-ever-expand-sunday-alcohol-cold-beer-sales/11137129/

In other words, it's exactly what I said it was about 2 pages ago!! Lol

I wasnt just playing a retail manager of a big box store on TV, I actually was one ya know! 😉

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mellow Momma wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Indiana -

Want to buy a cold beer in Indiana? Better not head to a pharmacy, grocery or convenience store.

How about a carry-out bottle of wine or a six-pack of beer on a Sunday? Stay away from grocery stores, liquor stores, convenience stores, bars and restaurants.

After a federal judge last week upheld the limits on cold beer sales, the restrictions aren't likely to be repealed anytime soon.

In repeated David vs. Goliath victories at the Statehouse, the small-but-mighty package liquor store lobby for years has been able to stymie efforts by the larger grocery store and convenience store lobbies to repeal the decades-old laws.

Why? Political watchers say package liquor stores are winning because they are owned by Hoosiers who believe they are in a fight for survival. So they focus their efforts at the Statehouse with laser-like precision to preserve their near-monopoly on carry-out cold beer sales and stop efforts that would make them go to the expense of staffing their stores on Sundays.

Grocery, pharmacy and convenience store chains — mostly based out of state — spend plenty of time and money lobbying, but they have to spread their attention among dozens of issues every year.

Considering those circumstances, political observers say, it's unlikely the legislature will change laws in a way that could very well hurt locally-owned package liquor stores.

From: http://www.indystar.com/story/money/2014/06/21/will-indiana-ever-expand-sunday-alcohol-cold-beer-sales/11137129/

In other words, it's exactly what I said it was about 2 pages ago!! Lol
I wasnt just playing a retail manager of a big box store on TV, I actually was one ya know! 😉

Well, I KNEW you were right 2 pages ago, but, ya know......

WYSIWYG · Guru

"Indiana -

Want to buy a cold beer in Indiana? Better not head to a pharmacy, grocery or convenience store.

How about a carry-out bottle of wine or a six-pack of beer on a Sunday? Stay away from grocery stores, liquor stores, convenience stores, bars and restaurants.

After a federal judge last week upheld the limits on cold beer sales, the restrictions aren't likely to be repealed anytime soon.

In repeated David vs. Goliath victories at the Statehouse, the small-but-mighty package liquor store lobby for years has been able to stymie efforts by the larger grocery store and convenience store lobbies to repeal the decades-old laws.

Why? Political watchers say package liquor stores are winning because they are owned by Hoosiers who believe they are in a fight for survival. So they focus their efforts at the Statehouse with laser-like precision to preserve their near-monopoly on carry-out cold beer sales and stop efforts that would make them go to the expense of staffing their stores on Sundays.

Grocery, pharmacy and convenience store chains — mostly based out of state — spend plenty of time and money lobbying, but they have to spread their attention among dozens of issues every year.

Considering those circumstances, political observers say, it's unlikely the legislature will change laws in a way that could very well hurt locally-owned package liquor stores.

From: www.indystar.com/story/money/2014/06/21/will-indiana-ever-expand-sunday-alcohol-cold-beer-sales/11137129/" - Lawyerlady

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(there was a lot in that quote, I decided I should put a separator in)

Interesting that you bolded something that actually proves the argument against what you are saying.

The grocery stores and convenience stores are trying to get the laws repealed, yet the little package stores are stymieing (sp?) their efforts. Obviously some do want the option to sell on Sunday, and obviously they are fighting for it (even if they are losing).

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

The ones who want the right to sell are the ones that are already open anyway.

WYSIWYG · Guru

And that was the issue I have been arguing for the this whole thread. If you can go to the store for bread, milk and eggs, why not a bottle of wine or a six pack of beer while you are there?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Powdered alcohol really doesn't sound like that good of an idea on a purely taste alone basis.

As for the laws, there are a whole lot of strange laws still on the books. Have you ever looked them up for your area/state?

Here, it is illegal to have an ice cream in your pocket on Sundays. And you can not tie your elephant up to a tree in the city limits.

So many more.

And I read these silly laws and think, you know, someone actually did this and they had to make a law about it.

Crazy.

As for alcohol sales, I am not a drinker so of course I don't understand why one day is such a big deal to go without being able to buy a drink. But that is just me.

Even back when I did drink, I never really worried about not having alcohol on Sunday. Cause I just bought it on Saturday. It really seems strange that an adult cant plan that far ahead.

I know, I know. We are a "now" society and that is just the way it is.

WYSIWYG · Guru

But, that wasn't the point of my most recent post. You were arguing with husker that sellers weren't fighting for the right to sell. In your own bolded was proof that some sellers were.

WYSIWYG · Guru

That post was meant to follow my other one. lilyofcourse snuck in, between them.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

WYSIWYG wrote:
That post was meant to follow my other one. lilyofcourse snuck in, between them.

I can be squirrely like that. wink

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I wonder if people will snort it.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I wonder if people will snort it.

Considering how stupid some people are...yeah...

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

WYSIWYG wrote:
But, that wasn't the point of my most recent post. You were arguing with husker that sellers weren't fighting for the right to sell. In your own bolded was proof that some sellers were.

We were discussing the stores not fighting to be open on Sunday, if you go back and read the thread. We even talked about libraries being open on Sunday. Liquor store owners do NOT want to be open on Sunday, they like the blue laws. He said EVERYONE he knows of fights to overturn the blue laws.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

WYSIWYG wrote:
And that was the issue I have been arguing for the this whole thread. If you can go to the store for bread, milk and eggs, why not a bottle of wine or a six pack of beer while you are there?

And I already explained that they can't allow some to sell and not others. So, they can't have laws that say liquor stores can't be open, but the big stores can sell. It's a violation of equal protection under the 14th amendment.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
"Yeah, Saturday mornings. Still not open on Sundays. By God, I should be able to have a bank teller personally help me with my money on Sundays! I demand it!" - Lady Gaga Snerd

You are missing the point. It's not about public demand. It's about the right of the vendor to provide for his/her customer's requests, if he/she wants to.

Banks choose to be closed on Sundays. There's no law saying that they have to be closed. It's the bank's choice. Alcohol sales on Sunday should be the store's choice, if it's legal for them to sell it at other times (I understand that it's not legal in every state).
But the liquor stores don't mind being closed on Sunday. If they did, they would lobby harder to change the laws. If you ask most of them, they like the day off and don't think it would increases sales - it would just shift them.
So they like the day off? So what?
As a librarian, I've worked Sundays for 34 years. I realize it's not the same, but still...
flan
What does that have to do with the point? Obviously the library has reasons for being open on Sunday, and you are an employee there.
The point remains that liquor store owners are not lobbying to change the law so obviously they like it or it's not important enough to fight for. It was said they should be able to choose - but deciding not to lobby against the law is also a choice.
Where in the world do you get that???? Everywhere I've seen such laws liquor establishment owners worked (or work if they have not yet been successful) hard to repeal such ridiculous laws.

Here ya go! Liquor establishment owners do not. Liquor establishment owners fight to KEEP blue laws. Walmart and Sav a lot are not "liquor establishments".

WYSIWYG · Guru

Good point on that. My apologies. I thought huskerbb was referring to all sellers of any type of alcohol. I misread him.

However, in response to this:
"So, they can't have laws that say liquor stores can't be open, but the big stores can sell. It's a violation of equal protection under the 14th amendment." - Lawyerlady

I say, then let them choose to be open or not. Don't penalize those that are open. Make the law allow them to be open, and if they choose to be closed, that's their choice.

huskerbb · Guru

But that's BS. Why don't they have laws to protect mom and pop grocery stores that might not want to be open on Sundays like a Wal-Mart, or hardware stores that don't want to be open on Sundays like Lowe's or Menard's?

You are also citing stuff from ONE state. That's certainly not universal. There are cities that have such laws, and liquor store owners fight hard to repeal them because people simply drive out of town to buy liquor and avoid the city ordinance.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
But that's BS. Why don't they have laws to protect mom and pop grocery stores that might not want to be open on Sundays like a Wal-Mart, or hardware stores that don't want to be open on Sundays like Lowe's or Menard's?

You are also citing stuff from ONE state. That's certainly not universal. There are cities that have such laws, and liquor store owners fight hard to repeal them because people simply drive out of town to buy liquor and avoid the city ordinance.

On the contrary - I cited stuff from 3 states, and I could keep going - but you haven't shown anything to disprove any of what I've already posted, so there is no need.

If NOBODY can sell, they don't need to open. If some could sell, they would feel pressured to open to stay competitive.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Of course, they could do it like Georgia. Big retailers and grocery stores are only allowed to sell beer/wine. Only liquor stores can sell liquor.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Of course, they could do it like Georgia. Big retailers and grocery stores are only allowed to sell beer/wine. Only liquor stores can sell liquor.

The same with Virginia. We can buy on Sundays too.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
But that's BS. Why don't they have laws to protect mom and pop grocery stores that might not want to be open on Sundays like a Wal-Mart, or hardware stores that don't want to be open on Sundays like Lowe's or Menard's?

You are also citing stuff from ONE state. That's certainly not universal. There are cities that have such laws, and liquor store owners fight hard to repeal them because people simply drive out of town to buy liquor and avoid the city ordinance.
On the contrary - I cited stuff from 3 states, and I could keep going - but you haven't shown anything to disprove any of what I've already posted, so there is no need.

If NOBODY can sell, they don't need to open. If some could sell, they would feel pressured to open to stay competitive.

And again--why don't they protect mom and pop grocery stores or hardware stores in this fashion? It's absurd.

cadiver · Senior Member

I remember when I was younger my aunt owned a convenience store. They supported the blue laws because it prevented large stores from opening.

I am not sure I understand the reasoning of the small stores. If they expect X% of alcohol sales during the day to them rather then big box stores the percentage should be the same Monday or Sunday. If that percentage is enough to be open on Monday then it should be enough to be open Sunday. If overall alcohol sales are so low on Sunday that the percentage they would get does not justify being open it should not hurt their weekly sales.

WYSIWYG · Guru

"If NOBODY can sell, they don't need to open. If some could sell, they would feel pressured to open to stay competitive." - Lawyerlady

Interesting point of view. I prefer the "if everyone can sell, they have not only the right to sell, but also the ability to choose whether or not to" side of the coin though.

I would suggest "Legalize it completely or outlaw it completely. Period." but we already went down the "Outlaw it completely. Period." road. That didn't work out so well, from what I recall from history class.