TOTALLY GEEKED!

She said that she sent them back to their classrooms and didn't say anything to anyone in the school. She figured she was in a no-win situation, and speaking up could cost her her job, since the Administration would most likely want to cover it up, sweep it under the rug, deny deny deny.

 

I do NOT like it, but if you think it doesn't happen (pre-teens having sex), you're fooling yourself.

flan

This was in 1977.

I think being molested is a bit over the top. And in 77 teachers were not mandated with anything but teaching class. They were not the life monitors they have to be now.

And in 77 you wouldn't call the police. The parents maybe.

Heck, I remember about that age and beginning to explore. I don't think that is uncommon at all.

But if our parents found out, we were not automatically called whores or sluts or straight or gay.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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I think being molested is a bit over the top. And in 77 teachers were not mandated with anything but teaching class. They were not the life monitors they have to be now.

And in 77 you wouldn't call the police. The parents maybe.

Heck, I remember about that age and beginning to explore. I don't think that is uncommon at all.

But if our parents found out, we were not automatically called whores or sluts or straight or gay.

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She was 8 years old and having sex.  That is the very definition of molestation. And 8 year olds cannot consent to sex.

Ohfour wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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I think being molested is a bit over the top. And in 77 teachers were not mandated with anything but teaching class. They were not the life monitors they have to be now.

And in 77 you wouldn't call the police. The parents maybe.

Heck, I remember about that age and beginning to explore. I don't think that is uncommon at all.

But if our parents found out, we were not automatically called whores or sluts or straight or gay.

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She was 8 years old and having sex.  That is the very definition of molestation. And 8 year olds cannot consent to sex.

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Neither can 10 year olds. And yet, there they were. Does anyone want a jury to decide whose idea it was? 

ed11563 wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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I think being molested is a bit over the top. And in 77 teachers were not mandated with anything but teaching class. They were not the life monitors they have to be now.

And in 77 you wouldn't call the police. The parents maybe.

Heck, I remember about that age and beginning to explore. I don't think that is uncommon at all.

But if our parents found out, we were not automatically called whores or sluts or straight or gay.

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She was 8 years old and having sex.  That is the very definition of molestation. And 8 year olds cannot consent to sex.

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Neither can 10 year olds. And yet, there they were. Does anyone want a jury to decide whose idea it was? 

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Yes, I would love for that to happen. 

ed11563 wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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I think being molested is a bit over the top. And in 77 teachers were not mandated with anything but teaching class. They were not the life monitors they have to be now.

And in 77 you wouldn't call the police. The parents maybe.

Heck, I remember about that age and beginning to explore. I don't think that is uncommon at all.

But if our parents found out, we were not automatically called whores or sluts or straight or gay.

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She was 8 years old and having sex.  That is the very definition of molestation. And 8 year olds cannot consent to sex.

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Neither can 10 year olds. And yet, there they were. Does anyone want a jury to decide whose idea it was? 

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  Yes.  Actually, I want CPS to investigate all the families of the kids involved to see if there is abuse going on regarding all these children.   

Ohfour wrote:

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lilyofcourse wrote:

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I think being molested is a bit over the top. And in 77 teachers were not mandated with anything but teaching class. They were not the life monitors they have to be now.

And in 77 you wouldn't call the police. The parents maybe.

Heck, I remember about that age and beginning to explore. I don't think that is uncommon at all.

But if our parents found out, we were not automatically called whores or sluts or straight or gay.

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She was 8 years old and having sex.  That is the very definition of molestation. And 8 year olds cannot consent to sex.

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 O4 I am not saying it is ok at all.

I am saying in 1977 we lived in a very different world.

The police would not have been involved. The parents would probably been called but then again it was 1977 and who do you think would have been blamed for it all and had to wear it through out their life?

The kids, all of them, had to have seen or been involved in some kind of something to have known the mechanics at that age.

Even so, in 1977 I don't think a whole lot would have been done.

I am thinking of the time and how things were then.

 

"I do NOT like it, but if you think it doesn't happen (pre-teens having sex), you're fooling yourself." - flan327

This.

WYSIWYG wrote:

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"So she was OK with a little girl getting molested. Nice group of people you know..." - Ohfour

Did we read the same comment from ed11653? I read that "all were happy, willing participants". For me, "all" includes the girl.

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 Eight year old girls CANNOT be "willing" participants.  She's a CHILD. 

I think even in 1977 they should have known how bad this was and reported it to someone. This is such a cop out and all 3 of these kids needed help but the adults who knew just turned a blind eye. Disgusting!

I know right...I can't believe not reporting it was a choice anyone would make. The school could deny it all they want but there would be physical evidence (even in 1977) that this had happened so the I might get fired excuse, or the school will just deny it excuse is pretty lame.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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WYSIWYG wrote:

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"So she was OK with a little girl getting molested. Nice group of people you know..." - Ohfour

Did we read the same comment from ed11653? I read that "all were happy, willing participants". For me, "all" includes the girl.

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 Eight year old girls CANNOT be "willing" participants.  She's a CHILD. 

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I wasn't there, but an 8 year old girl CAN be as willing to have intercourse as an 8 year old girl can be willing to ride a bicycle.

 

ed11563 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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WYSIWYG wrote:

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"So she was OK with a little girl getting molested. Nice group of people you know..." - Ohfour

Did we read the same comment from ed11653? I read that "all were happy, willing participants". For me, "all" includes the girl.

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 Eight year old girls CANNOT be "willing" participants.  She's a CHILD. 

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I wasn't there, but an 8 year old girl CAN be as willing to have intercourse as an 8 year old girl can be willing to ride a bicycle.

 

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You have issues.  That's the most disgusting thing I've ever heard.   You need to talk to somebody, because you are not right...

We are all shaped by our experiences.

ed is honest.

flan

I know. Again, for the umpteenth time, Its not about charging them with a crime. Its about looking into their home lives to see if there if there is any abuse going on or if these kids have been molested which has made them hypersexualized at such a young age.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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It is a big deal--but "age of consent" DOES NOT APPLY since they were all under the age of consent. I doubt if any of them could even be charged with a crime--even today.

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 Its not about charging them with a crime.  Its about looking into their home lives to see if there if there is any abuse going on or if these kids have been molested which has made them hypersexualized at such a young age.  Yeah a kid masturbaing alone in thebedroom , fine.  2 ten yr old boys and an 8 yr old girl not fine.

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Of course it's not "fine"--but they are ALL children.  Ohfour keeps making the point that an 8 year old girl "can't" be a willing participant--but neither can a 10 year old boy, either of them. 

There is legally ZERO difference between them.  They aren't legally any more responsible for this than the girl.   

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Yes, 10 yr old boys cannot consent either.  None of them can consent.  That doesn't mean we just walk away and ignore it. 

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So only if this was illegal that teacher should have said something? Not just because it is wrong in so many ways?

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No.  The teacher should have absolutely intervened.  Where in the world did you get otherwise? I wasn't even commenting on that aspect of it.   

I really cant believe I am the only one who was around in the 70s. Surely you realized things were not an automatic police call at that point and time. People were still minding their own business. Not getting involved and thinking about the repercussions for everyone involved.

Today, those three would all have been taken and separated into a counselor's office. Then the police would have been called and then the parents and the boys would have been arrested because of some zero tolerance crap and then all three of them would have labels for the rest of their lives. The girl would be the school laughing stock and the boys would be labeled predators and sex offenders.

Yes. Someone should have said something to a parent.

But I will be honest, if someone came upon this today, I would think that should be the route today. I don't agree that every thing that happens should be a police report and CPS investigation.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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I really cant believe I am the only one who was around in the 70s. Surely you realized things were not an automatic police call at that point and time. People were still minding their own business. Not getting involved and thinking about the repercussions for everyone involved.

Today, those three would all have been taken and separated into a counselor's office. Then the police would have been called and then the parents and the boys would have been arrested because of some zero tolerance crap and then all three of them would have labels for the rest of their lives. The girl would be the school laughing stock and the boys would be labeled predators and sex offenders.

Yes. Someone should have said something to a parent.

But I will be honest, if someone came upon this today, I would think that should be the route today. I don't agree that every thing that happens should be a police report and CPS investigation.

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  Yes, talk to the parents, of course.  But, hypersexuality in young children is often a SIGN of sexual abuse Lilly.   

I was 10 yo in 1977. I can guarantee that my teacher would not have ignored that situation. I doubt CPS or the police would have been involved but we would have been taken to the Principal's office & our parents would have been notified immediately. Guidance may have also been involved.

huskerbb wrote:

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Tinydancer wrote:

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So only if this was illegal that teacher should have said something? Not just because it is wrong in so many ways?

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No.  The teacher should have absolutely intervened.  Where in the world did you get otherwise? I wasn't even commenting on that aspect of it.   

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 I wasn't replying to you. It's not always about Husker...lol. ed seemed to think what this teacher did was perfectly fine so unless you agree that was directed at him.

No. It wasn't normal.

It was handled differently though.