TOTALLY GEEKED!

Tinydancer · Guru

RE: No, My 10-Year-Old Son Isn't Looking for a Girlfriend. He Likes Boys.

ed11563 · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
Whether this was 1920, 1977, or 2014 this should have been reported. Ed the lame excuses you threw out there are just that, lame excuses for this teacher friend. We all know it happens but those of us with a conscience try to find out why it happened make sure it doesn't happen again.

Okay, if I ever see Judy again, I'll tell her.

Tinydancer · Guru

I was also talking about your attitude on the subject. Very nonchalant and "oh it happens more than you know". It shouldn't happen at all and for you to think that an 8 year old or ten year old can willing do this is just wrong.

ed11563 · Guru

When I was single and dating, four of the girls I dated told me that they'd first had intercourse at age 8.

Soon after the first one told me this, I was sitting in the dorm lounge, when the dorm director walked by with is eight year old daughter. My immediate thought was,

How is that even POSSIBLE with someone that small.

No, I hadn't asked for that information, and I didn't ask for details. The only detail she told was, "It was my fault." No, I didn't ask her to explain. And I didn't ask anything about the guy.

I never asked anyone how or when (or even IF) she'd lost her virginity; but over the next few years, three others volunteered that information, that they'd been eight years old.

One told me that it went on for 4 years, and she'd enjoyed the feeling of closeness. Other than that, she didn't know (at first) what was going on.

There, is that too much information? No, I'm not shocked by things people have told me, and I'm not shocked that an eight year old girl would have been fine with what had been happening in that stairway.

I find it a LOT more shocking when I hear about a knife fight or a gun fight in a school. One of my friends is a high school teacher outside Miami, FL. She's told me about a couple of knife fights in school. Probably gang related.

Ohfour · Hooker

I can't even. That is so sick.

Tinydancer · Guru

I don't believe a word of this. No girl is going to tell you this never mind 4 girls. lily's right. You make this crap up for shock value! And so you can talk about little girls having sex. I refuse to help you get your jollies so I'm done with this conversation and any other you bring up about sicko sex.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Playing Doctor , show me yours. Ok. Intercourse at age 8. Sick, perverted and disturbing for whomever initiated that.

WYSIWYG · Guru

"Eight year old girls CANNOT be "willing" participants. She's a CHILD." - Lawyerlady

I believe that you misunderstand me. I wasn't suggesting she had the right to consent, nor was I suggesting that it was a proper activity for a child of that age (it wasn't proper for the boys either). I was only commenting on the idea that at 8 years old, she most certainly can be willing to do something. Willing in the sense of it not being against her will. Willing in the sense of not being forced to participate. Willing in the sense of choosing to do it.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

No, she can't "willingly" participate. She can do backflips of joy but that is not willing. And, No, I don't believe ANY 8 yr old girl would WILLINGLY participate in intercourse.

Tinydancer · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
No, she can't "willingly" participate. She can do backflips of joy but that is not willing. And, No, I don't believe ANY 8 yr old girl would WILLINGLY participate in intercourse.

I wish there was a like button...lol

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

WYSIWYG wrote:
"Eight year old girls CANNOT be "willing" participants. She's a CHILD." - Lawyerlady

I believe that you misunderstand me. I wasn't suggesting she had the right to consent, nor was I suggesting that it was a proper activity for a child of that age (it wasn't proper for the boys either). I was only commenting on the idea that at 8 years old, she most certainly can be willing to do something. Willing in the sense of it not being against her will. Willing in the sense of not being forced to participate. Willing in the sense of choosing to do it.

I agree with this.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

No, an 8 yr old cannot "choose" intercourse.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Do you really think an 8 year old cant choose this? They may not know exactly what they are choosing but I can tell you that 8 year olds do have sexual thoughts.

At 8, I knew how to make myself real happy and I want the only one of my friends who knew about this stuff either.

There may be a legally unable to consent but an 8 year old can engage in sexual activity because they like the way it feels.

Now, should we turn a blind eye to it? No.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

But I am also sure that a 8 year old has no idea what it is to be gay or straight. They just know what feels good and what doesn't.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Do you really think an 8 year old cant choose this? They may not know exactly what they are choosing but I can tell you that 8 year olds do have sexual thoughts.

At 8, I knew how to make myself real happy and I want the only one of my friends who knew about this stuff either.

There may be a legally unable to consent but an 8 year old can engage in sexual activity because they like the way it feels.

Now, should we turn a blind eye to it? No.

Yes, an 8 yr old cannot CHOOSE it. They don't have the ability to comprehend what they are choosing. And, agreeing to something or acquiescing isn't choosing. That is why we don't let children sign contracts, drive cars, drink alcohol or all manner or other things in the name of wanting to or "liking" it.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

So an 8 yr old never chooses to do anything? They never willingly do a single thing?

I think you are choosing to bury your head on this one.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

lilyofcourse wrote:
So an 8 yr old never chooses to do anything? They never willingly do a single thing?

I think you are choosing to bury your head on this one.

They don't choose to have sex. They have not even gone through puberty. If an 8 year old is having sex it is because they were groomed and molested. They are victims - not participants. I can't believe anyone doesn't understand that distinction. It's disturbing.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Not necessarily.

I know you don't want to believe it, but they do.

I know. An 8 year old is just a baby.

But kids are born sexual creatures. Think back. How old were you when you first thought about it anything sexual? Even if you were not aware that was what it was.

I bet you were about 8-10.

WYSIWYG · Guru

"Yes, an 8 yr old cannot CHOOSE it. They don't have the ability to comprehend what they are choosing. And, agreeing to something or acquiescing isn't choosing. That is why we don't let children sign contracts, drive cars, drink alcohol or all manner or other things in the name of wanting to or "liking" it." - Lady Gaga Snerd

I believe you are confusing "cannot" and "should not".

Not comprehending the choice doesn't diminish the ability to make the choice. If you don't believe that, look a the choice voters made for President in 2012.

I do agree that just agreeing or acquiescing isn't choosing. But we don't know that she JUST agreed or acquiesced. She may have willingly wanted to.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

No there is no choice. There is limited capacity. And that is why we still prosecute despite a pedophile saying " oh she consented". The only one I know who has met 8 yr olds who were sexually violated then say as an adult, oh it was OK I wanted it , is Ed.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
So an 8 yr old never chooses to do anything? They never willingly do a single thing?

I think you are choosing to bury your head on this one.
They don't choose to have sex. They have not even gone through puberty. If an 8 year old is having sex it is because they were groomed and molested. They are victims - not participants. I can't believe anyone doesn't understand that distinction. It's disturbing.

But again, neither do 10 year olds. You are making a distinction based on gender. They are not legally more culpable than she is.

All of them probably need some therapy, but no one would go to jail in a case such as that.

Tinydancer · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
So an 8 yr old never chooses to do anything? They never willingly do a single thing?

I think you are choosing to bury your head on this one.
They don't choose to have sex. They have not even gone through puberty. If an 8 year old is having sex it is because they were groomed and molested. They are victims - not participants. I can't believe anyone doesn't understand that distinction. It's disturbing.
But again, neither do 10 year olds. You are making a distinction based on gender. They are not legally more culpable than she is.

All of them probably need some therapy, but no one would go to jail in a case such as that.

No one has even said anyone should be prosecuted so I'm not sure why you keep arguing this non point...lol. Most of us have said they all need help and that there's probably a reason why this happened. A few are saying they were willing participants but but neither a 8 or 10 year old would do this unless they'd been shown by someone else what it was. To think they willing started doing this is wrong and this is why children can't consent to sex.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

The concern is for all the kids, not just the girl. They are all under age and that is very disturbing.

Tinydancer · Guru

Hahaha...but then Husker couldn't argue if we all agree...lol

huskerbb · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
So an 8 yr old never chooses to do anything? They never willingly do a single thing?

I think you are choosing to bury your head on this one.
They don't choose to have sex. They have not even gone through puberty. If an 8 year old is having sex it is because they were groomed and molested. They are victims - not participants. I can't believe anyone doesn't understand that distinction. It's disturbing.
But again, neither do 10 year olds. You are making a distinction based on gender. They are not legally more culpable than she is.

All of them probably need some therapy, but no one would go to jail in a case such as that.
No one has even said anyone should be prosecuted so I'm not sure why you keep arguing this non point...lol. Most of us have said they all need help and that there's probably a reason why this happened. A few are saying they were willing participants but but neither a 8 or 10 year old would do this unless they'd been shown by someone else what it was. To think they willing started doing this is wrong and this is why children can't consent to sex.

Several have repeatedly stated on here that an 8 year old cannot consent--while completely ignoring the fact that neither can a 10 year old. They want to assign responsibility to the boys--and not the girl.

It wasn't you or gaga--but it's in the thread--including the post I was responding to.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

OK. But, I agree, NONE of them can consent.

Tinydancer · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
So an 8 yr old never chooses to do anything? They never willingly do a single thing?

I think you are choosing to bury your head on this one.
They don't choose to have sex. They have not even gone through puberty. If an 8 year old is having sex it is because they were groomed and molested. They are victims - not participants. I can't believe anyone doesn't understand that distinction. It's disturbing.
But again, neither do 10 year olds. You are making a distinction based on gender. They are not legally more culpable than she is.

All of them probably need some therapy, but no one would go to jail in a case such as that.
No one has even said anyone should be prosecuted so I'm not sure why you keep arguing this non point...lol. Most of us have said they all need help and that there's probably a reason why this happened. A few are saying they were willing participants but but neither a 8 or 10 year old would do this unless they'd been shown by someone else what it was. To think they willing started doing this is wrong and this is why children can't consent to sex.
Several have repeatedly stated on here that an 8 year old cannot consent--while completely ignoring the fact that neither can a 10 year old. They want to assign responsibility to the boys--and not the girl.
It wasn't you or gaga--but it's in the thread--including the post I was responding to.

So where did anyone say blame the boys? You just assume you know what someone's thinking just to argue.

huskerbb · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
So an 8 yr old never chooses to do anything? They never willingly do a single thing?

I think you are choosing to bury your head on this one.
They don't choose to have sex. They have not even gone through puberty. If an 8 year old is having sex it is because they were groomed and molested. They are victims - not participants. I can't believe anyone doesn't understand that distinction. It's disturbing.
But again, neither do 10 year olds. You are making a distinction based on gender. They are not legally more culpable than she is.

All of them probably need some therapy, but no one would go to jail in a case such as that.
No one has even said anyone should be prosecuted so I'm not sure why you keep arguing this non point...lol. Most of us have said they all need help and that there's probably a reason why this happened. A few are saying they were willing participants but but neither a 8 or 10 year old would do this unless they'd been shown by someone else what it was. To think they willing started doing this is wrong and this is why children can't consent to sex.
Several have repeatedly stated on here that an 8 year old cannot consent--while completely ignoring the fact that neither can a 10 year old. They want to assign responsibility to the boys--and not the girl.
It wasn't you or gaga--but it's in the thread--including the post I was responding to.
So where did anyone say blame the boys? You just assume you know what someone's thinking just to argue.

I quoted several posts to that effect. You must be blind. A couple of posters have said over and over the 8 year old cannot consent--while completely ignoring the fact that neither can 10 year olds.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I don't think discussing the 8 yr old specifically meant that anyone was ignoring the 10 yr old boys. Ed specifically brought up a story about 8 yr old girls, so they discussion took a turn in that direction. That doesn't mean that people were saying that 10 yr old boys CAN consent.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I don't think discussing the 8 yr old specifically meant that anyone was ignoring the 10 yr old boys. Ed specifically brought up a story about 8 yr old girls, so they discussion took a turn in that direction. That doesn't mean that people were saying that 10 yr old boys CAN consent.

No, I guess the weren't ignoring them--they were more like blaming them, at least one or two posters.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

So what? I think it is more likely that the 2 boys were taking more control of the situation than the 8 yr old.

Tinydancer · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
So an 8 yr old never chooses to do anything? They never willingly do a single thing?

I think you are choosing to bury your head on this one.
They don't choose to have sex. They have not even gone through puberty. If an 8 year old is having sex it is because they were groomed and molested. They are victims - not participants. I can't believe anyone doesn't understand that distinction. It's disturbing.
But again, neither do 10 year olds. You are making a distinction based on gender. They are not legally more culpable than she is.

All of them probably need some therapy, but no one would go to jail in a case such as that.
No one has even said anyone should be prosecuted so I'm not sure why you keep arguing this non point...lol. Most of us have said they all need help and that there's probably a reason why this happened. A few are saying they were willing participants but but neither a 8 or 10 year old would do this unless they'd been shown by someone else what it was. To think they willing started doing this is wrong and this is why children can't consent to sex.
Several have repeatedly stated on here that an 8 year old cannot consent--while completely ignoring the fact that neither can a 10 year old. They want to assign responsibility to the boys--and not the girl.
It wasn't you or gaga--but it's in the thread--including the post I was responding to.
So where did anyone say blame the boys? You just assume you know what someone's thinking just to argue.
I quoted several posts to that effect. You must be blind. A couple of posters have said over and over the 8 year old cannot consent--while completely ignoring the fact that neither can 10 year olds.

Which is not the same thing at all as blaming the boys. So please show a post where someone blames the boys or says they should be punished in any way. Just because they mention an 8 year old and not a 10 year old doesn't mean they're dismissing the boys at all. Just means you're twisting it to be an argument.