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Mom of Child With Special Needs Says Airline 'Humiliated' Family

 
PHOTO: Elit Kirschenbaum with her husband Jeff and four children. Ivy, 3, is in Jeffs arms.

A mother on a mission to draw attention to the "humiliating" way she says a United Airlines flight attendant treated her daughter with special needs is catching fire on social media, with users calling out the airline on Twitter.

#UnitedWithIvy is the hashtag Elit Kirschenbaum, a Short Hills, New Jersey, mom of four, including 3-year-old stroke survivor Ivy, wants the public to use to get an apology for her family from the airline. Ivy also has Spastic Quadriplegic Cerebral Palsy.

Kirschenbaum was traveling on a Dec. 30 flight from Punta Cana, Dominican Republic, to Newark, she told ABC News.

She and her husband had purchased a seat in economy class for Ivy, Kirschenbaum said, because she is aware of the federal safety regulations requiring everyone older than 2 to purchase their own seat. But because of Ivy's challenges, she is not able to sit up on her own.

Ivy, who has flown with her parents several times since she turned 2, her mother said, always sits on one of her parents' laps. "Ivy is 25 pounds, the size of a 1-year-old," Kirschenbaum said.

 

 

 

 

Kirschenbaum said she was seated in business class next to her 11-year-old-son with Ivy on her lap. She was passed by three flight attendants, she said, who acknowledged the family but did not make any mention of Ivy on her mother's lap.

"Then a fourth attendant approached us and I knew immediately there was a problem. She said, 'she needs to be in a seat.'" Kirschenbaum said she explained that Ivy was not able to sit up on her own.

 

PHOTO: Elit Kirschenbaum holds Ivy on the beach.
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PHOTO: Elit Kirschenbaum holds Ivy on the beach.

 

The series of events that unfolded -- which delayed the flight's takeoff by an hour, she said -- became a "circus,” Kirschenbaum said, adding that the resisting attendant was the most senior of the crew though not the lead.

She said she explained over and over again that Ivy was incapable of sitting up on her own. The other flight attendants got involved and, according to Kirschenbaum, were conferring with and "pleading" with the fourth flight attendant to let Ivy sit on her mother's lap, to no avail.

The flight attendants pleading Kirschenbaum's case then found a flight attendant's handbook, Kirschenbaum said, that allowed for an exception to be made if the passenger cannot sit by themselves. But the flight attendant would not budge.

A spokeswoman for United told ABC News, "The parents, who were ticketed in first class, wanted to hold the child in their lap rather than have the child take the seat they'd purchased for her in economy. Federal safety regulations require any child over the age of two to have his or her own seat, and flight attendants are required by law to enforce that safety rule. As we did in this case, we will always try to work with customers on seating arrangements in the event of any special needs."

Kirschenbaum said she understands the rule, but “there are significant and obvious and extenuating circumstances here.”

Ultimately, Kirschenbaum said, Ivy ended up lying, belted in, across their laps for takeoff and landing. She sat on her mother's lap for the rest of the trip.

"I don't want free flights and I'm not interested in contacting a lawyer as some people have suggested I should,” she said. “I just want the airline to apologize.”

The airline told ABC News it has reached out to Kirschenbaum, who said she was left a message that she returned. So far, she said, there has been no apology.

http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/mom-child-special-airline-humiliated-family/story?id=27947319

 



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Perhaps when buying a ticket there should be some type of question: Will anything hinder you or your child from being buckled for take offs and landings? If so, please contact this number to discuss prior to your flight, type thing.

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Perhaps her oldest child could have sat in the coach seat she'd purchased, and this daughter belted into the seat next to Mom. If she was lying in the first class seat with the belt around her, her mother's hand on her, shouldn't that have made everyone happy? They could easily change to the seating arrangement they wanted after takeoff.

 



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Yes, or why didn't dad go take that seat?

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Curious, why not use the same arrangement as when she sits in a wheelchair (I mean, they don't carry her around all the time, right?) You can use a car seat to harness the child upright with the 5 point restraint, and use bumpers to cushion the child's head and neck.
She may only weight 25 lbs, but in the photo, she does look a bit larger than a one year old.

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Curious, why not use the same arrangement as when she sits in a wheelchair (I mean, they don't carry her around all the time, right?) You can use a car seat to harness the child upright with the 5 point restraint, and use bumpers to cushion the child's head and neck.
She may only weight 25 lbs, but in the photo, she does look a bit larger than a one year old.


I was thinking the same thing - she has to be in a car seat in the car, bring it and have her sit in that.  



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Arent there car seats, or the equivalent, on planes? why cant she sit in one of those? It would probably be more comfortable for all of them, Ivy included.

I can understand why the family felt humiliated. It should not have happened the way it did.

At the same time, I think they should understand there are rules and they apply to them too.

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tlc wrote:
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Curious, why not use the same arrangement as when she sits in a wheelchair (I mean, they don't carry her around all the time, right?) You can use a car seat to harness the child upright with the 5 point restraint, and use bumpers to cushion the child's head and neck.
She may only weight 25 lbs, but in the photo, she does look a bit larger than a one year old.


I was thinking the same thing - she has to be in a car seat in the car, bring it and have her sit in that.  


 Because then she would have had to buy her daughter a first class ticket instead of a coach one. 

Yes, if your kid is under two they can sit on your lap the whole time, but if they are over two they need their own seat and have to be sitting in it during take off and landing. I don't think they care if you choose to have your kid sit on your lap during the rest of the flight. 

If they girl can't sit on her own and one of those car seats wouldn't have worked I think the parents should have called the airline to make arrangements. 



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tlc wrote:
JPT wrote:

Curious, why not use the same arrangement as when she sits in a wheelchair (I mean, they don't carry her around all the time, right?) You can use a car seat to harness the child upright with the 5 point restraint, and use bumpers to cushion the child's head and neck.
She may only weight 25 lbs, but in the photo, she does look a bit larger than a one year old.


I was thinking the same thing - she has to be in a car seat in the car, bring it and have her sit in that.  


 Because then she would have had to buy her daughter a first class ticket instead of a coach one. 

Yes, if your kid is under two they can sit on your lap the whole time, but if they are over two they need their own seat and have to be sitting in it during take off and landing. I don't think they care if you choose to have your kid sit on your lap during the rest of the flight. 

If they girl can't sit on her own and one of those car seats wouldn't have worked I think the parents should have called the airline to make arrangements. 


 Seems like the whole family was seated in in Business class, save for that coach seat.  Easy, the father goes and sits in the coach seat during take off and landing, the special needs daughter gets the business class seat for take off and landing.  You can bring a car seat on the plane and strap it in with the seatbelt, I've seen it done.



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When we tried to bring DD's car seat we were told she couldn't have it because she was over 2 years old. They made us check it as baggage. This family seems to be trying to save a few bucks by paying for a coach seat for the child. My question to them is...if she were not special needs would they have purchased a business class seat for her? Of course. So shut up and pay for one now. It's irrelevant where she will spend the time - on a lap or in a seat - quit being cheap and buy her ticket next to her family.

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Yes you can. I meant, if the family had a reason her special needs car seat wouldn't work (because not all car seats are approved for airplanes or will fit on an airplane) then she should have made arrangements with the airline ahead of time.

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When we tried to bring DD's car seat we were told she couldn't have it because she was over 2 years old. They made us check it as baggage. This family seems to be trying to save a few bucks by paying for a coach seat for the child. My question to them is...if she were not special needs would they have purchased a business class seat for her? Of course. So shut up and pay for one now. It's irrelevant where she will spend the time - on a lap or in a seat - quit being cheap and buy her ticket next to her family.


 Now you can bring a car seat as long as it is approved for air travel. Most are now, I think.



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Mellow Momma wrote:

When we tried to bring DD's car seat we were told she couldn't have it because she was over 2 years old. They made us check it as baggage. This family seems to be trying to save a few bucks by paying for a coach seat for the child. My question to them is...if she were not special needs would they have purchased a business class seat for her? Of course. So shut up and pay for one now. It's irrelevant where she will spend the time - on a lap or in a seat - quit being cheap and buy her ticket next to her family.


 I agree. This all could have been avoided if they had bought her her own seat NEXT to them, not back in coach. 



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NAOW wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:

When we tried to bring DD's car seat we were told she couldn't have it because she was over 2 years old. They made us check it as baggage. This family seems to be trying to save a few bucks by paying for a coach seat for the child. My question to them is...if she were not special needs would they have purchased a business class seat for her? Of course. So shut up and pay for one now. It's irrelevant where she will spend the time - on a lap or in a seat - quit being cheap and buy her ticket next to her family.


 I agree. This all could have been avoided if they had bought her her own seat NEXT to them, not back in coach. 


Me too.

Sounds like momma wants attention. Unfortunately, I know special needs moms who are like that. no 



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It also seems like they are trying to "get one over" on the airlines by purchasing the coach ticket. It's their own idiocy that caused all of this. If she wasn't special needs, and just didn't like flying and needed to be held, they would have purchased a seat next to them. So do it!

Heck, most kids don't spend a lot of time actually in their own seat. You don't see the rest of us trying to get out of buying one!

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