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DEAR MISS MANNERS: On my daughter's 17th birthday, she received, in my view, an insulting gift from her grandparents. Birthdays in my family and for me are special days, and the birthday girl or boy is made to feel like a king or queen in celebration of their birth.

This gift was a gift card and a packet of thank-you cards.

My daughter was crestfallen as she absorbed the not-so-subtle insult. I was able to make her feel better, but the damage was already done.

My daughter wishes to express to her grandparents how deeply they hurt her feelings but does not wish to have a confrontation. Do you have a suggestion or two for this circumstance?

GENTLE READER: As you encourage your daughter to feel like a queen, she might consider ordering their execution. However, you do not seem to have warned her of the usual eventual fate of despots who are harshly unjust even to their most loyal subjects.

But perhaps it is Miss Manners who is being unjust by assuming that the apparent insult may have arisen from a legitimate grievance. If it did not, she acknowledges that a polite protest might be included in the letter in which your daughter first thanks her grandparents for the gift certificate.

She could admit then to being somewhat puzzled by the thank-you cards. "As you know," she could continue, "I have always eagerly expressed my gratitude immediately upon receiving your generous presents. Would you rather that I did so on these cards, instead of on the paper I have been using? I would, of course, be happy to oblige."



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I bet she never sent or called her grandmother her thanks for past gifts.

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Well, I think the clue that mom must "make her feel like a Queen" is a part of the problem, lol.

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I honestly don't understand the whole "princess, queen" thing at all.

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Oh LGS, I fully understand the "queen" concept on your birthday. They (the rest of the family) are celebrating their happiness at having you with them.

Maybe instead of expressing her very understandable hurt, she could express to her grandparents her puzzlement as to why they gave her the thank-you cards. Maybe they confused her with another granddaughter, who was negligent in sending her thank-yous!



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Well, of course I celebrate my kids' birthdays and try to make is special. But, I don't talk in the "queen/princess" type language. I find those concepts a bit bizarre.

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There are a lot of ways to say Thank You besides writing and mailing a note. And, I guess some people find a hand written note as the ONLY acceptable means of saying Thank You.

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Well, one niece NEVER called, emailed, text a thank you. She just stopped getting gifts. Does the girl thank people?

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Queens don't have to thank people, lol.

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That's true! She should just wave!

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If the cards were given because she never acknowledges and thanks them for gifts recieved, I think they should get the message - it was not the only gift, and grandparents are not random strangers, they are also capable of giving etiquette lessons.

For my nephews' birthday gifts - I gave them the hint by adding delivery confirmation to their packages since they would never even tell me they got them.

Grandparents tend to be more traditional, and they like their notes, but if she always expresses her gratitude, then I understand why she might be hurt.

On the other hand, maybe they were pretty cards, and they thought she could use them. But, I think they were sending a message.

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Some people expect a written thank you. My grandmother was like that. So I wrote them, even though I opened them in her presence and thanked her at the time. I see following up with a written card redundant, and have not made my boys do the same. But I do make them verbally thank them, or write it out if they did not get a chance to thank in person or over the phone.

This gift is one I expect to be receiving from my in-laws one day, as I suspect the verbal thank you's they find insufficient.

I would think that by the age 17 this girl would already know that her grandmother is a beotch, so I'm not sure why mama is confused.

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Maybe grandma was unsure what to get her, so she went with an impersonal gift card then tried to think of something practical the girl could use to make it a smidge more personal. She got this birthday, and likely a graduation looming. Surely she can find a use for them. Of course if she feels called out on not expressing gratitude, perhaps she needs to do a little self reflection....

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I find it rather telling that the mom in the OP does NOT address the underlying question. She didn't say "My daughter has always thanked them for the gifts she has received." She just kind of skips over that part completely.

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I read the letter as,
Her grandparents possibly live away and do not attend the lavish balls the granddaughter is thrown. Maybe they have never received a phone call or a thank you from her, so this year, since she is quite old enough to have outgrown this farce, they sent her something that she needs to put to good use. The fact that a 17 year old is crestfallen over receiving thank you notes from her grandparents speaks volumes. I don't she the grandmother as a beyotch, I see the mother and granddaughter as such...

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Yep. The fact that she took it as an insult rather than useful stationery tells its own story.

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I quit sending stuff to nieces/nephews the third time I don't get any acknowledgement of a gift. With most, this happened years ago. The last niece (a college senior), just failed for the third time. Her birthday is next week. She will get a hearty well wish on Facebook. Period.

And truly, I'm not a stickler for a handwritten note. I will gladly accept a FB message, text, phone call, email...

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JPT wrote:

I quit sending stuff to nieces/nephews the third time I don't get any acknowledgement of a gift. With most, this happened years ago. The last niece (a college senior), just failed for the third time. Her birthday is next week. She will get a hearty well wish on Facebook. Period.

And truly, I'm not a stickler for a handwritten note. I will gladly accept a FB message, text, phone call, email...


I agree JPT.  But there are some (like my mother and her generation) that still expect a hand written note.  They are becoming fewer and fewer.   I don't see a problem with making those few people happy with a hand written note.  It takes what, 10 minutes? 



-- Edited by Ohfour on Thursday 22nd of January 2015 09:41:39 AM

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I quit sending stuff to nieces/nephews the third time I don't get any acknowledgement of a gift. With most, this happened years ago. The last niece (a college senior), just failed for the third time. Her birthday is next week. She will get a hearty well wish on Facebook. Period.

And truly, I'm not a stickler for a handwritten note. I will gladly accept a FB message, text, phone call, email...


I agree JPT.  But there are some (like my mother and her generation) that still expect a hand written note.  They are becoming fewer and fewer.   I don't see a problem with making those few people happy with a hand written note.  It takes what, 10 minutes? 



-- Edited by Ohfour on Thursday 22nd of January 2015 09:41:39 AM


 Sadly, hand some of these millenials an envelope, a stamp and a pen, and they are totally lost....



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It is sad, JPT. I can remember my brother and I getting excited when we heard the mail truck roll past our house. We had a mail slot in our front door and we'd practically tackle each other to get to the mail first. Especially when we were expecting the new issue of T.V. Guide.

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I don't find that sad. Communication changes. We went from smoke signals to carrier pigeon to the Pony Express to telephones to Fed Ex to email and now texting and twittering. I don't see how it somehow wrong to thank someone this way and not that way or vice versa?

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It is sad, JPT. I can remember my brother and I getting excited when we heard the mail truck roll past our house. We had a mail slot in our front door and we'd practically tackle each other to get to the mail first. Especially when we were expecting the new issue of T.V. Guide.


 LOL, did you mark the shows you were going to watch?!  My late FIL did that as soon as the issue arrived, marked the entire week.  Of course, all he ever did was sit and watch television, all day...



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I don't find that sad. Communication changes. We went from smoke signals to carrier pigeon to the Pony Express to telephones to Fed Ex to email and now texting and twittering. I don't see how it somehow wrong to thank someone this way and not that way or vice versa?


I prefer to thank people in a way that they find pleasing.  Why would you want to insult someone that just spent time and money on sending you a gift.   



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I don't disagree. If someone wants a hand note, then of course, why not? I made the kids send hand notes to her. But if I send a gift and someone texts, calls, pms me on Facebook or whatever, that is fine.

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It is sad, JPT. I can remember my brother and I getting excited when we heard the mail truck roll past our house. We had a mail slot in our front door and we'd practically tackle each other to get to the mail first. Especially when we were expecting the new issue of T.V. Guide.


 LOL, did you mark the shows you were going to watch?!  My late FIL did that as soon as the issue arrived, marked the entire week.  Of course, all he ever did was sit and watch television, all day...


 I didn't, but my brother probably did.  He also used to draw mustaches, beards, devil horns, etc., on whoever was on the cover.  The big one was the one that had the new fall shows.  



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This is stupid. What was she expecting? A new car perhaps? They got her a gift card & some thank you cards. She had to choose to see the insult in this & be crestfallen.

My grandmother always gave each of us a check for $10 on our birthday in a card.

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OMG! I completely overlooked the gift card part! Yeah, she needs to be brought down a notch or two. I would have been happy if she had just received the thank you notes. The gift card was a bonus...

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I like this comment in response to the letter:

If the child has been faithfully sending thank you cards, then this is a thoughtful gift of something the grandparents genuinely expected she would enjoy and something she probably uses up and runs out of regularly. They thought these were especially pretty ones. If the child does not faithfully send thank you cards, she should take a hint. Either way, it's a lovely gift, so just say thank you.

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My SIL gave me lovely blank cards once. Use them in a pinch all the time.

But I think Grandma here was making a point.

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The poor little princess' feelings were deflated.

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Princess needs a quick stabbing.

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You know, the gift was a bit impersonal and I am wondering if that is what the OP is upset about and not the thank you notes per se.

While any gift should be opened and acknowledged with gratitude and humility...can be upsetting for a child to open a gift from a grandparent that is totally impersonal and could be given to the postman as easily as the grandchild. If the birthday celebrant thinks of his/her birthday as a milestone and the grandparent gives a gift that says "I put zero thought into this" it is upsetting.

We have this problem every year with my FIL. It took DD's until they were about 15 or 16 to realize all they were going to get for their birthdays, every year, was a $25 gift card to Barnes and Noble. In the meantime they watched their grandfather purchase extremely personal thoughtful gifts for other members of the family.

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Let's not be obtuse. It was a slam at the kid for not sending thank you notes. Whether well deserved or not.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

Let's not be obtuse. It was a slam at the kid for not sending thank you notes. Whether well deserved or not.


C'mon...LET'S be obtuse!

It's fun.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

Let's not be obtuse. It was a slam at the kid for not sending thank you notes. Whether well deserved or not.


 Everyone was on the grandma's side so I thought I would provide some food for thought from the granddaughter's POV.  I didn't realize that was being obtuse.  



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Note to self: Never EVER give Itty bitty "Thank you" notes.

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The girl is 17. She needs to grow up. Hell, it's hard for ME to shop for a 17 year old girl, much less a grandmother.

All of our kids got money for Christmas. Not one gift. They all came to us and asked us for that. To please not buy them gifts, they needed the money more. So that's what they got.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

Let's not be obtuse. It was a slam at the kid for not sending thank you notes. Whether well deserved or not.


 I agree.



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Gift cards do not bother me in any way. I have no problem giving them and I have no problem getting them. Shoot, most 17 year olds would love to have a gift that basically gave them the freedom to get what they want.

The thank you note were either a point being made or just to be nice.

Either way, the entitlement of the mother and granddaughter is really telling and they both need to grow up.

I wonder if this grandmother is the mom's mom.

You receive a gift. You say thank you and accept it graciously.

As a parent you teach this to your child.


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I agree Lily. If you are given a gift, even if you hate it, you accept it graciously and thank the giver. It's the mannerly thing to do.

That doesn't remove the sting from being given a gift that could have easily been given to a total stranger.

Every year, my kids get a $25 gift card to Barnes and Noble for their birthday. Which they graciuosly accept and give thanks for. Then they watch as my FIL gives extravagant, well thought out, very personal gifts to all the other grand children. Tell me that wouldn't hurt your feelings.

My girls are not entitled and are happy just to have their family at their parties. But it does hurt their feelings when the gift they are given was purchased at the convenience store on the way to the party and the gifts be other grandchildren are given are planned weeks in advance, ordered specially, and thought out to the last detail. It hurts their feelings that their grandparent doesn't love them enough to do the same for them.

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Part of growing up is understanding that everything isn't always fair.

And don't think I don't know what it is to be on the short end of the receiving stick. I do understand that it can be not nice.

But eventually you just accept that is how it is and go on.

And we don't know how much that gift card was or for what. It could have very easily been $100 or more on a debit gift card.

That isn't a gift you give to just anyone.

There are too many unknowns with this letter.



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I agree Lily. If you are given a gift, even if you hate it, you accept it graciously and thank the giver. It's the mannerly thing to do.

That doesn't remove the sting from being given a gift that could have easily been given to a total stranger.

Every year, my kids get a $25 gift card to Barnes and Noble for their birthday. Which they graciuosly accept and give thanks for. Then they watch as my FIL gives extravagant, well thought out, very personal gifts to all the other grand children. Tell me that wouldn't hurt your feelings.

My girls are not entitled and are happy just to have their family at their parties. But it does hurt their feelings when the gift they are given was purchased at the convenience store on the way to the party and the gifts be other grandchildren are given are planned weeks in advance, ordered specially, and thought out to the last detail. It hurts their feelings that their grandparent doesn't love them enough to do the same for them.


 I love gift cards to B&N but I unstand why they felt slighted when the other grandchildren got extravagant gifts.

Whay does their grandfather not treat them like the rest of his grandkids?

 



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Note to self: Never EVER give Itty bitty "Thank you" notes.

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I think it would be ok if they were personalized stationary along with another thoughtful gift.  When I was around 17 I got a stationary set from my grandmother.  It was in prep for all the high school graduation gifts I would be getting. 



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The short answer is...he doesn't treat any of us the same so I can only assume he doesn't like us.

About 6 years ago, my SIL got a new digital camera for Christmas from FIL and I got a $25 gift card to a store we didn't even have in town. She was mortified for me. I had to pull her aside and tell her it was ok and not to worry about it.

You are right Lily, life isn't fair and our kids do need to learn that lesson. Sometimes though you don't expect to have to learn that lesson from family. Family is supposed to make you feel better not worse. At least that is the way I was brought up.

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Note to self: Never EVER give Itty bitty "Thank you" notes.

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I think it would be ok if they were personalized stationary along with another thoughtful gift.  When I was around 17 I got a stationary set from my grandmother.  It was in prep for all the high school graduation gifts I would be getting. 


Bonny, we are of one mind today.  I LOVE getting stationery. Even thank you notes. Antique style and personalized are my favorites.  Like this.  I just love it...

 

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Dd once got Oreos from my FIL as a gift. The other grandchild got a $75 lego set.

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Note to self: Never EVER give Itty bitty "Thank you" notes.

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I think it would be ok if they were personalized stationary along with another thoughtful gift.  When I was around 17 I got a stationary set from my grandmother.  It was in prep for all the high school graduation gifts I would be getting. 


Bonny, we are of one mind today.  I LOVE getting stationery. Even thank you notes. Antique style and personalized are my favorites.  Like this.  I just love it...

 

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That's super pretty.  My first set had my initials on it.  It made me feel very grown up to send out thank you notes with a nice pen and my own stationary.   



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Dd once got Oreos from my FIL as a gift. The other grandchild got a $75 lego set.


 That sucks!  My family always got equal.  My mom to the point that in our Christmas stocking my brother's wife & I got practically identical & my SO at the time got almost identical to my brother.  My nieces are 7 years apart in age so they got age appropriate but very equal gifts.  Favoritism is not fun when you aren't the favorite.



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Note to self: Never EVER give Itty bitty "Thank you" notes.

flan


I think it would be ok if they were personalized stationary along with another thoughtful gift.  When I was around 17 I got a stationary set from my grandmother.  It was in prep for all the high school graduation gifts I would be getting. 


I love giving personalized stationery. People love getting it too!

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