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Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

RE: Learn to wear heels.

ed11563 · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
He's a man. He likes looking at women in heels.
I'm a man too. I much prefer to look at a woman who is barefoot.
Ed
Good thing you didn't add "and pregnant" to that!

I wouldn't please either of you - I don't wear heels very often, and I'm rarely barefoot.

I think the original phrase was "barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen", but

I like it better as "barefoot with her head on my pillow". Is that too forward?

huskerbb · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
voiceofreason wrote:
I guess I just don't get this. Why would you spend time judgin someone's attire or footwear instead of being happy they attended? Don't you have other things to talk about?

It seems petty to me.
It seems petty, to me, too.
But, I grew up in Ohio. Jeans at a funeral, or a wedding?
No way.
Of course no one would spend time judging people's attire. But you don't exactly want to stick out (in a bad way) either. its like using manners. No one would spend time talking about you if you used bad manners, but it might help them form an opinion of you.

This. If you don't know what a salad or dessert fork is, the food will still make it to the cake-hole, but we have manners for a reason.

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

I didn't know that high heeled shoes fell into the same etiquette batch as the fish knife . . .

huskerbb · Guru

Tignanello wrote:
I didn't know that high heeled shoes fell into the same etiquette batch as the fish knife . . .

But they do. At the end of the day it doesn't matter which fork you use any more than your attire--but manners are there for a reason. Attire or table manners really are not different.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
He's a man. He likes looking at women in heels.
And? I thought we left the era where our whole lives centered around making not just our husbands but all men happy.
Where did I say we have to care or cater to it? But, why can't he say he would prefer women to dress up in heels?
I like men with short, clean-cut hair. Does that mean every man has to cut their hair to please me? No.
No. You can want whatever you want. But you're not the one starting whole threads to biotch and gripe and judge everyone because they don't meet your standards either.

You do have a point there. Which is why we are all arguing with him.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

www.emilypost.com/everyday-manners/your-personal-image/69-attire-guide-beach-casual-to-white-tie-

This website has both the terms and their definitions for all the attire options. Jeans fall under "casual" only and tuxedos are considered "black tie or formal".

I think it's important to use the proper terms for what we mean. If a host wants the event to be formal or casual or doesn't care, the appropriate terms should be used on the invitation. We shouldn't say formal if we mean business casual and vice versa.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I think the confusion over these kinds of things is down right silly. Yes we need to remember how to dress for what. I agree we need to keep a level of decorum.

But I also think being taken aback over another having on flats instead of heels is ridiculous.

Especially coming from the OP after we have all witnessed the kinds of things he likes to say on here.

WYSIWYG · Guru

"Well, now, that really depends. I'm betting the "formal affairs" that ohfour and her rocker husband attend are quite different than say, a doctor or lawyer might attend." - Lawyerlady

I completely agree with this. When it comes to the question of "what is formal attire?", quite often the type of attendees (Lawyers, Doctors, Rock Stars, Actors, Zookeepers, and so forth) will dictate what is formal attire, and what isn't.

WYSIWYG · Guru

"He's a man. He likes looking at women in heels." - Lawyerlady

I'm a man, and I couldn't care less what a woman is wearing on her feet, as long as it's appropriate for where she is (barefoot is fine at the beach or around the pool, sneakers when appropriate, dress shoes when appropriate, and so forth).

WYSIWYG · Guru

This thread reminds me, wasn't there a lady designer on TLC's "Trading Spaces", many years ago, that always wore stilettos?

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

I am loving this thread.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

If I'm at home, I'm barefoot.

flan

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

I am constantly amazed that any one individual believes footwear, for women, can be dictated just to be pleasing to the male eye.
High heels = sexism
Because, if you don't wear high heels (when there is no medical reason you can't), you are not being as attractive as you can be. Or in other words, eye candy for men.
IMHO, that IS sexism.
I believe the 20 something age group is slapping that concept down. I like it.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

WYSIWYG wrote:
This thread reminds me, wasn't there a lady designer on TLC's "Trading Spaces", many years ago, that always wore stilettos?

Hildi.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

My mom never taught me to set a formal table...Guess that makes me uncouth.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
This thread reminds me, wasn't there a lady designer on TLC's "Trading Spaces", many years ago, that always wore stilettos?
Hildi.

I miss that show.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
This thread reminds me, wasn't there a lady designer on TLC's "Trading Spaces", many years ago, that always wore stilettos?
Hildi.
I miss that show.

I have a DVD of a few shows whenever I really miss it. Want to borrow it?

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
This thread reminds me, wasn't there a lady designer on TLC's "Trading Spaces", many years ago, that always wore stilettos?
Hildi.
I miss that show.
I have a DVD of a few shows whenever I really miss it. Want to borrow it?

I would love that! biggrin

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
This thread reminds me, wasn't there a lady designer on TLC's "Trading Spaces", many years ago, that always wore stilettos?
Hildi.
I miss that show.
I have a DVD of a few shows whenever I really miss it. Want to borrow it?
I would love that!

OK - I'll dig it out and mail it.

Ohfour · Hooker

Back to the OP...

I was looking on line at some clothes last night and noticed that even runway models are wearing flats. Then I started looking at some of the attendees of the fashion shows about half of them were wearing flats too. Heels are dying style. Yes, there are still people that wear them, but the younger generations are quickly getting away from them.

It's kind of like wearing a suit to a ballpark. Look at pictures from the 50s and even into the early 60s, ALL the men wore suits and ties and the ladies dresses, panty hose (those are even hard to find anymore), hats, and yes heels. If anyone wore that now, they would be laughed at.

Ilumine · Regular

huskerbb wrote:
Tignanello wrote:
I didn't know that high heeled shoes fell into the same etiquette batch as the fish knife . . .
But they do. At the end of the day it doesn't matter which fork you use any more than your attire--but manners are there for a reason. Attire or table manners really are not different.

And the proper, i.e. etiquette/mannerly driven attire has changed over the centuries.

MEN used to wear tights and stockings (along with garters), men wore very ornate hats, men wore the color purple and red, and yes, MEN WORE HIGH HEELS (very ornate high heels I might add).

So your stance that it is ONLY mannerly for women to wear heels at a formal function is pretty much moot, since I am sure you are no longer expected to wear heels yourself.

What is acceptable in fashion AND in etiquette has evolved. At least for most of the world.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I want to know if Husker wears a suit and tie to church every Sunday.

Blankie · Guru

I think he should have to wear high heels!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Blankie wrote:
I think he should have to wear high heels!

Pass the brain bleach!!!

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

What size shoe does he wear? I think we should send him some stilletos and he has to walk around in them for 8 hours before he can say another word on the subject.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
What size shoe does he wear? I think we should send him some stilletos and he has to walk around in them for 8 hours before he can say another word on the subject.

It would be more painful if they were a half size too small... evileye

flan

Blankie · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
What size shoe does he wear? I think we should send him some stilletos and he has to walk around in them for 8 hours before he can say another word on the subject.

I like the way you think. Ha!

voiceofreason · Guru

just Czech wrote:
I am constantly amazed that any one individual believes footwear, for women, can be dictated just to be pleasing to the male eye.
High heels = sexism
Because, if you don't wear high heels (when there is no medical reason you can't), you are not being as attractive as you can be. Or in other words, eye candy for men.
IMHO, that IS sexism.
I believe the 20 something age group is slapping that concept down. I like it.

One hundred percent agreed! Czech, you nailed it!!

Blankie · Guru

voiceofreason wrote:
just Czech wrote:
I am constantly amazed that any one individual believes footwear, for women, can be dictated just to be pleasing to the male eye.
High heels = sexism
Because, if you don't wear high heels (when there is no medical reason you can't), you are not being as attractive as you can be. Or in other words, eye candy for men.
IMHO, that IS sexism.
I believe the 20 something age group is slapping that concept down. I like it.
One hundred percent agreed! Czech, you nailed it!!

Yes, you definitely nailed it Czech!

huskerbb · Guru

Ilumine wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Tignanello wrote:
I didn't know that high heeled shoes fell into the same etiquette batch as the fish knife . . .
But they do. At the end of the day it doesn't matter which fork you use any more than your attire--but manners are there for a reason. Attire or table manners really are not different.
And the proper, i.e. etiquette/mannerly driven attire has changed over the centuries.

MEN used to wear tights and stockings (along with garters), men wore very ornate hats, men wore the color purple and red, and yes, MEN WORE HIGH HEELS (very ornate high heels I might add).
So your stance that it is ONLY mannerly for women to wear heels at a formal function is pretty much moot, since I am sure you are no longer expected to wear heels yourself.

What is acceptable in fashion AND in etiquette has evolved. At least for most of the world.

No, but I would be expected to wear whatever "formal wear" is for men--usually at least a jacket and tie, and no running shoes.

huskerbb · Guru

Blankie wrote:
voiceofreason wrote:
just Czech wrote:
I am constantly amazed that any one individual believes footwear, for women, can be dictated just to be pleasing to the male eye.
High heels = sexism
Because, if you don't wear high heels (when there is no medical reason you can't), you are not being as attractive as you can be. Or in other words, eye candy for men.
IMHO, that IS sexism.
I believe the 20 something age group is slapping that concept down. I like it.
One hundred percent agreed! Czech, you nailed it!!
Yes, you definitely nailed it Czech!

LOL!!!! Um, no. They are not doing it as some big "statement" for feminism. They are doing it because they can't wear heels, or at least haven't learned how.

Why would heels be any different in that respect from short skirts and revealing dresses (which abounded)? They aren't.

Heck, only a few hours earlier, most of them were walking around the pool area in their bikinis, and if you think men don't like to look at women in bikinis--you are daft.

If you can't pull off heels--you can't. I just think that most of these women, especially the younger ones--that's not the reason.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Tuesday 27th of January 2015 01:32:32 PM

Ohfour · Hooker

The reason is they don't want to. They don't conform to old fashioned standards.

As LL asked, do you wear a suit and tie to church?

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
The reason is they don't want to. They don't conform to old fashioned standards.

As LL asked, do you wear a suit and tie to church?

Usually not--but our church isn't rather "formal" in that way. Women only occasionally wear dresses, most wear jeans.

I usually wear some nice khakis and a polo or button up shirt.

huskerbb · Guru

I know they don't want to--which is what I find ridiculous at such an event.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
The reason is they don't want to. They don't conform to old fashioned standards.

As LL asked, do you wear a suit and tie to church?
Usually not--but our church isn't rather "formal" in that way. Women only occasionally wear dresses, most wear jeans.

I usually wear some nice khakis and a polo or button up shirt.

There was a time when no one would consider wearing anything but "Sunday Best" to church - which would be a suit and tie. Times change. Fashion changes.

Ohfour · Hooker

huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
The reason is they don't want to. They don't conform to old fashioned standards.

As LL asked, do you wear a suit and tie to church?
Usually not--but our church isn't rather "formal" in that way. Women only occasionally wear dresses, most wear jeans.

I usually wear some nice khakis and a polo or button up shirt.

Well, not so many years ago (in my lifetime), one would not DARE enter a church without a suit and tie. I guess progress only matters when it doesn't concern you...

Ohfour · Hooker

huskerbb wrote:
I know they don't want to--which is what I find ridiculous at such an event.

They probably thought the women in heels looked ridiculous, seeing that it's out of fashion...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

And, when I was growing up, a women could not go to a Catholic Mass without her hair covered.

flan

voiceofreason · Guru

If you want to be entertained, google "how to walk in high heels"

I won't copy and paste but damn! The word pain shows up in every one of the articles I read. So, yeah, no.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

huskerbb wrote:
I know they don't want to--which is what I find ridiculous at such an event.

What makes you think they give a cRap what you think?

News flash, they don't.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

huskerbb wrote:
Blankie wrote:
voiceofreason wrote:
just Czech wrote:
I am constantly amazed that any one individual believes footwear, for women, can be dictated just to be pleasing to the male eye.
High heels = sexism
Because, if you don't wear high heels (when there is no medical reason you can't), you are not being as attractive as you can be. Or in other words, eye candy for men.
IMHO, that IS sexism.
I believe the 20 something age group is slapping that concept down. I like it.
One hundred percent agreed! Czech, you nailed it!!
Yes, you definitely nailed it Czech!
LOL!!!! Um, no. They are not doing it as some big "statement" for feminism. They are doing it because they can't wear heels, or at least haven't learned how.
Why would heels be any different in that respect from short skirts and revealing dresses (which abounded)? They aren't.
Heck, only a few hours earlier, most of them were walking around the pool area in their bikinis, and if you think men don't like to look at women in bikinis--you are daft.

If you can't pull off heels--you can't. I just think that most of these women, especially the younger ones--that's not the reason.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Tuesday 27th of January 2015 01:32:32 PM

In your opinion.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Ohfour wrote:
Back to the OP...

I was looking on line at some clothes last night and noticed that even runway models are wearing flats. Then I started looking at some of the attendees of the fashion shows about half of them were wearing flats too. Heels are dying style. Yes, there are still people that wear them, but the younger generations are quickly getting away from them.

It's kind of like wearing a suit to a ballpark. Look at pictures from the 50s and even into the early 60s, ALL the men wore suits and ties and the ladies dresses, panty hose (those are even hard to find anymore), hats, and yes heels. If anyone wore that now, they would be laughed at.

It's funny that you bring up fashion week. Part of DD's job is working backstage at fashion week. Last time she was backstage at 15 different designers. Once the last model was walking down the runway, she packs up and heads to the next show.

At the show show for the designer she works for all year long, one of her tasks was to send home an intern who wa inappropriately dressed. What was the fashion crime she committed? She showed up in flats. DD pulled an extra pair of heels out of her suitcase (she takes a rolling suitcase with all her tricks in it to each show) and gave them to the intern to wear so she didn't have to go home.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Mellow Momma wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Back to the OP...

I was looking on line at some clothes last night and noticed that even runway models are wearing flats. Then I started looking at some of the attendees of the fashion shows about half of them were wearing flats too. Heels are dying style. Yes, there are still people that wear them, but the younger generations are quickly getting away from them.

It's kind of like wearing a suit to a ballpark. Look at pictures from the 50s and even into the early 60s, ALL the men wore suits and ties and the ladies dresses, panty hose (those are even hard to find anymore), hats, and yes heels. If anyone wore that now, they would be laughed at.
It's funny that you bring up fashion week. Part of DD's job is working backstage at fashion week. Last time she was backstage at 15 different designers. Once the last model was walking down the runway, she packs up and heads to the next show.

At the show show for the designer she works for all year long, one of her tasks was to send home an intern who wa inappropriately dressed. What was the fashion crime she committed? She showed up in flats. DD pulled an extra pair of heels out of her suitcase (she takes a rolling suitcase with all her tricks in it to each show) and gave them to the intern to wear so she didn't have to go home.

Out of curiosity, who sets to rules for the fashion show employees?

Ilumine · Regular

huskerbb wrote:
Ilumine wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Tignanello wrote:
I didn't know that high heeled shoes fell into the same etiquette batch as the fish knife . . .
But they do. At the end of the day it doesn't matter which fork you use any more than your attire--but manners are there for a reason. Attire or table manners really are not different.
And the proper, i.e. etiquette/mannerly driven attire has changed over the centuries.

MEN used to wear tights and stockings (along with garters), men wore very ornate hats, men wore the color purple and red, and yes, MEN WORE HIGH HEELS (very ornate high heels I might add).
So your stance that it is ONLY mannerly for women to wear heels at a formal function is pretty much moot, since I am sure you are no longer expected to wear heels yourself.

What is acceptable in fashion AND in etiquette has evolved. At least for most of the world.
No, but I would be expected to wear whatever "formal wear" is for men--usually at least a jacket and tie, and no running shoes.

Are you really that dense? The point is "formal wear" has changed/evolved...so just like your manliness is no longer expected to wear heels, women are no longer expected to wear heels to meet the current definition.

Heelless shoes are not necessarily casual. The problem is, you refuse to accept that your opinion is not the reigning one, as I pointed out in my first post that provided two links that discussed the fact that the fashion world does, in fact, find flats to be an IN thing.

Also, most US fashion (the type of clothing the 99% wear) is about 2-5 years behind Europe. Flats are in.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

The fashion target group is 20 something. If they are not spending money on heels, the designers still want to sell to that target group first. They (target group) don't want heels, they get shoes without heels. Pretty simple, IMHO.
It all comes down to money in the long run.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

just Czech wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Back to the OP...

I was looking on line at some clothes last night and noticed that even runway models are wearing flats. Then I started looking at some of the attendees of the fashion shows about half of them were wearing flats too. Heels are dying style. Yes, there are still people that wear them, but the younger generations are quickly getting away from them.

It's kind of like wearing a suit to a ballpark. Look at pictures from the 50s and even into the early 60s, ALL the men wore suits and ties and the ladies dresses, panty hose (those are even hard to find anymore), hats, and yes heels. If anyone wore that now, they would be laughed at.
It's funny that you bring up fashion week. Part of DD's job is working backstage at fashion week. Last time she was backstage at 15 different designers. Once the last model was walking down the runway, she packs up and heads to the next show.

At the show show for the designer she works for all year long, one of her tasks was to send home an intern who wa inappropriately dressed. What was the fashion crime she committed? She showed up in flats. DD pulled an extra pair of heels out of her suitcase (she takes a rolling suitcase with all her tricks in it to each show) and gave them to the intern to wear so she didn't have to go home.
Out of curiosity, who sets to rules for the fashion show employees?

The designer of the show. The standard uniform is all black...whatever you want and accessorized however you want, with heels.

DD and 3 co workers go from show to show pretty much sewing the models into their dresses. Designers "share" their backstage help because it's hard to find people who can work under pressure like that And follow orders without a fit. They say jump amd you do it.

Vette · Owl drink to that!

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
He's a man. He likes looking at women in heels.
And? I thought we left the era where our whole lives centered around making not just our husbands but all men happy.
Where did I say we have to care or cater to it? But, why can't he say he would prefer women to dress up in heels?
I like men with short, clean-cut hair. Does that mean every man has to cut their hair to please me? No.
No. You can want whatever you want. But you're not the one starting whole threads to biotch and gripe and judge everyone because they don't meet your standards either.

You start entire threads bitching about stuff, how come it's okay for you to do it and not anybody else?

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Mellow Momma wrote:
just Czech wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Back to the OP...

I was looking on line at some clothes last night and noticed that even runway models are wearing flats. Then I started looking at some of the attendees of the fashion shows about half of them were wearing flats too. Heels are dying style. Yes, there are still people that wear them, but the younger generations are quickly getting away from them.

It's kind of like wearing a suit to a ballpark. Look at pictures from the 50s and even into the early 60s, ALL the men wore suits and ties and the ladies dresses, panty hose (those are even hard to find anymore), hats, and yes heels. If anyone wore that now, they would be laughed at.
It's funny that you bring up fashion week. Part of DD's job is working backstage at fashion week. Last time she was backstage at 15 different designers. Once the last model was walking down the runway, she packs up and heads to the next show.

At the show show for the designer she works for all year long, one of her tasks was to send home an intern who wa inappropriately dressed. What was the fashion crime she committed? She showed up in flats. DD pulled an extra pair of heels out of her suitcase (she takes a rolling suitcase with all her tricks in it to each show) and gave them to the intern to wear so she didn't have to go home.
Out of curiosity, who sets to rules for the fashion show employees?
The designer of the show. The standard uniform is all black...whatever you want and accessorized however you want, with heels.
DD and 3 co workers go from show to show pretty much sewing the models into their dresses. Designers "share" their backstage help because it's hard to find people who can work under pressure like that And follow orders without a fit. They say jump amd you do it.

Thank you for answering. Since the standard is set by the designer, the employee really has no choice. Apparently, one employee would rather not wear heels. But, since it's a job requirement, like any other requirement, she doesn't really have a choice.

IMHO, wearing heels, outside of a job requirement, is optional. Totally the woman's choice.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

I have always worn heels but had to stop for a while last year because I hurt my leg (tripping over my ottoman). Anyway, when I tried going back to my usual 3.5" heels it felt so uncomfortable. This year's boots only have 2" heels. But they are much more comfortable & I appreciate that.