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Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

RE: Learn to wear heels.

Ohfour · Hooker

Mellow Momma wrote:
DD has worked at a few restaurants in the city for extra money. She says any restaurant in NYC requires hostess to wear heels. A lot require the waitresses to as well. Of course, they also ask for a headshot in the application so there is that...

It must be a regional thing. I talked to her last night, and I brought up this topic. She said no New Yorker she knows wears flats outside of commuting. It's heels for work, heels for going out, etc. A lot of nightclubs have dress codes and the bouncers won't let women in if they aren't dressed right, and heels is part of that. Flats are for weekends she says.

Hmmm...I guess I wasn't really in New York last year for a week on business, because I rarely saw anyone in heels in the offices I was working in... confuse

Ohfour · Hooker

And from: Socialyeti.com:

NYC Nightclub Dress Codes: What to Wear to NYC Clubs & Lounges

The dress code? Is there a dress code? If you have spent any amount of time in exclusive NYC clubs, or almost any place in New York for that matter, you know that you can wear pretty much anything you want, anywhere you want- and people will be totally cool with it.

The only ‘rule‘ to dressing well in New York is that you must make it look good.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

All I know is what Dd told me about the places she works and the clubs she has been to. I can't comment on where you worked obviously.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

VetteGirl wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
He's a man. He likes looking at women in heels.
And? I thought we left the era where our whole lives centered around making not just our husbands but all men happy.
Where did I say we have to care or cater to it? But, why can't he say he would prefer women to dress up in heels?
I like men with short, clean-cut hair. Does that mean every man has to cut their hair to please me? No.
No. You can want whatever you want. But you're not the one starting whole threads to biotch and gripe and judge everyone because they don't meet your standards either.
You start entire threads bitching about stuff, how come it's okay for you to do it and not anybody else?

Passive aggressive much? Or just rude. I really haven't started a thread bitching about anyone other than my DH's ex. And I also didn't expect her to change. Or conform to my rules. So sorry. Don't really give a damn what you think about my threads either.

wild_blue · Newbie

I'm not sure heels will ever fully go out of style. They are still very popular.

Vette · Owl drink to that!

I wasn't being passive.

huskerbb · Guru

Ilumine wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ilumine wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Tignanello wrote:
I didn't know that high heeled shoes fell into the same etiquette batch as the fish knife . . .
But they do. At the end of the day it doesn't matter which fork you use any more than your attire--but manners are there for a reason. Attire or table manners really are not different.
And the proper, i.e. etiquette/mannerly driven attire has changed over the centuries.

MEN used to wear tights and stockings (along with garters), men wore very ornate hats, men wore the color purple and red, and yes, MEN WORE HIGH HEELS (very ornate high heels I might add).
So your stance that it is ONLY mannerly for women to wear heels at a formal function is pretty much moot, since I am sure you are no longer expected to wear heels yourself.

What is acceptable in fashion AND in etiquette has evolved. At least for most of the world.
No, but I would be expected to wear whatever "formal wear" is for men--usually at least a jacket and tie, and no running shoes.
Are you really that dense? The point is "formal wear" has changed/evolved...so just like your manliness is no longer expected to wear heels, women are no longer expected to wear heels to meet the current definition.

Heelless shoes are not necessarily casual. The problem is, you refuse to accept that your opinion is not the reigning one, as I pointed out in my first post that provided two links that discussed the fact that the fashion world does, in fact, find flats to be an IN thing.

Also, most US fashion (the type of clothing the 99% wear) is about 2-5 years behind Europe. Flats are in.

It hasn't changed that much. Maybe you need to get out into a bit bigger world than your little box.

Ohfour · Hooker

HAHAHAHA! Husk! Good one. Formal wear has TOTALLY changed. Do you wear stocking and heels? and A hat with a plume?

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I know they don't want to--which is what I find ridiculous at such an event.
They probably thought the women in heels looked ridiculous, seeing that it's out of fashion...

Well, first of all, they are NOT out of fashion--at least if you leave Podunk Tennessee.

Second, it's more likely that they felt out of place.

Ohfour · Hooker

huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I know they don't want to--which is what I find ridiculous at such an event.
They probably thought the women in heels looked ridiculous, seeing that it's out of fashion...
Well, first of all, they are NOT out of fashion--at least if you leave Podunk Tennessee.
Second, it's more likely that they felt out of place.

I guess all of those women on the cruise were from Podunk Tennessee? And all of those women at the wedding parties you attend are from here too? Or maybe your group of acquaintances is just low class?

-- Edited by Ohfour on Tuesday 27th of January 2015 05:36:16 PM

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

VetteGirl wrote:
I wasn't being passive.

Ah. Yes. Just plain old rude. Thanks. It's so good we can look toward our mods for fairness and impartialness. I'll keep that in mind.

I really don't give a damn that you're still all butt hurt because I don't treat my dogs the way you say I should. The fact that you're still all butt hurt over it says a lot about you.

huskerbb · Guru

No, not Podunk Tennessee--but Podunk somewhere. I already addressed that this might be a function of their rural backgrounds.

wild_blue · Newbie

Someone who lives in BFE Nebraska is accusing other people of being podunk? Ahahahahhahhahahhhahhahaha.
Glass Houses, you live in them.

Ohfour · Hooker

huskerbb wrote:
No, not Podunk Tennessee--but Podunk somewhere. I already addressed that this might be a function of their rural backgrounds.

Yeah, I live in one of the wealthiest counties in the US. I really don't think that classifies as Podunk.

huskerbb · Guru

wild_blue wrote:
Someone who lives in BFE Nebraska is accusing other people of being podunk? Ahahahahhahhahahhhahhahaha.
Glass Houses, you live in them.

The shoe evidently fits.

Ohfour · Hooker

wild_blue wrote:
Someone who lives in BFE Nebraska is accusing other people of being podunk? Ahahahahhahhahahhhahhahaha.
Glass Houses, you live in them.

Exactly......

huskerbb · Guru

Hey, if you can't pull off heels--you can't. Some can't.

Many can.

Honeys_Mom · Mod & Permanent Board Sweetheart

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Honeys_Mom · Mod & Permanent Board Sweetheart

This is a cute cake - nice job.

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Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/28/fashion/dress-codes-in-new-york-clubs-will-this-get-me-in.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

This article quotes a club owner as saying a minimum of 5 inch heels are required for entrance into his club.

And that same site you quoted above...social yeti...if you scroll down past the paragraph you quoted, it says the only rule is "wear heels". I took a screen shot:
It won't post. Hold on a second

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Ohfour · Hooker

Mellow Momma wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/28/fashion/dress-codes-in-new-york-clubs-will-this-get-me-in.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

This article quotes a club owner as saying a minimum of 5 inch heels are required for entrance into his club.

And that same site you quoted above...social yeti...if you scroll down past the paragraph you quoted, it says the only rule is "wear heels". I took a screen shot:
It won't post. Hold on a second

I saw that. That's ONE club. The majority dont care...

Divine Geek · Guru

Had to go out and buy new shoes when I started working at my current company. I didn't own any work-appropriate shoes that were not heels

Ohfour · Hooker

I dare say that Nashville proper would be considered Podunk. And most definitely not my town/county. I don't think the word means what you think it means. But that's not surprising...

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Mellow Momma wrote:

But most DO care.

There is no written rule on dress code, but the bouncers definitely have a type of person they let in. And the ones who are dressed to the nines are the ones that get in.

-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Tuesday 27th of January 2015 06:35:41 PM

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Ohfour wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/28/fashion/dress-codes-in-new-york-clubs-will-this-get-me-in.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

This article quotes a club owner as saying a minimum of 5 inch heels are required for entrance into his club.

And that same site you quoted above...social yeti...if you scroll down past the paragraph you quoted, it says the only rule is "wear heels". I took a screen shot:
It won't post. Hold on a second
I saw that. That's ONE club. The majority dont care...

It was also an example of how to dres for a club in the style section of the New York Times. They used this one club owner and his quote to illustrate their point that you need to dress to get into a club.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Mellow Momma wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
But most DO care.

There is no written rule on dress code, but the bouncers definitely have a type of person they let in. And the ones who are dressed to the nines are the ones that get in.

-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Tuesday 27th of January 2015 06:35:41 PM

This woman is wearing a BATHING SUIT to a night club? With heels. I guess I don't need to wear heels because I don't wear my bathing suit to go to dinner.

Ohfour · Hooker

That article also said to show lots of skin...we have a name for women like that here in Tennessee...

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Oh yeah, lots of skin my demographics would be the same thing.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

So let me get this straight.

We are basing what is correct to wear on your feet based on what a night club says?

OK.

I don't really think that is a standard I will be attempting to attain.

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

We need something ridiculous that men have to wear. Like a jock 2 sizes too small.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

lilyofcourse wrote:
So let me get this straight.

We are basing what is correct to wear on your feet based on what a night club says?

OK.

I don't really think that is a standard I will be attempting to attain.

Again, as so many have said and you are saying here, it matter immensely what venue and where you are. A night club in NYC is a different ball game than a wedding in Tennessee. And I would dare say that if you wore the same thing you wore to a NYC night club to a Tennessee wedding people would think you're a slvt.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
So let me get this straight.

We are basing what is correct to wear on your feet based on what a night club says?

OK.

I don't really think that is a standard I will be attempting to attain.
Again, as so many have said and you are saying here, it matter immensely what venue and where you are. A night club in NYC is a different ball game than a wedding in Tennessee. And I would dare say that if you wore the same thing you wore to a NYC night club to a Tennessee wedding people would think you're a slvt.

I agree NJN. What I posted was just in rebuttal to Ohfour saying no one in NYC wore heels. Certainly, the venue matters. Regardless of the state, wearing heels to the YMCA or to the grocery store isn't appropriate. Like FWM said though, in Ohio younwouldnt dare wear jeans to church. We had a priest call out someone for wearing jeans once. You just don't do it. The place matters and the geography matters as well.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I understand what you are saying NJN.

But when did night clubs become the accepted standard?

I mean look at the picture. That is the standard we are supposed to accept?

I don't care where you are. That's just ridiculous.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I live in the south and have been to a few churches. Yes, many women still wear dresses but many wear jeans. I don't think churches can afford to be so picky on what their members are wearing these days. Most are lucky they have regular members. There are many many many churches here that don't expect you to dress up. It's the "norm".

Ohfour · Hooker

I didn't say no one. I said the people I work with...in response to you saying that everyone in NY wears heels.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

lilyofcourse wrote:
I understand what you are saying NJN.

But when did night clubs become the accepted standard?

I mean look at the picture. That is the standard we are supposed to accept?

I don't care where you are. That's just ridiculous.

I guess so. I don't know when it happened. And I do think it's ridiculous. I'd never tell my daughter to dress that way. Not even in a night club.

wild_blue · Newbie

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I live in the south and have been to a few churches. Yes, many women still wear dresses but many wear jeans. I don't think churches can afford to be so picky on what their members are wearing these days. Most are lucky they have regular members. There are many many many churches here that don't expect you to dress up. It's the "norm".

I think some of the church dress standards are based on socio-economic status of the parishioners. The church I grew up in was a working class neighborhood, and the dress was pretty casual. In the nicer part of town the church there had members in dress slacks, ties, ect.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

My daughter wouldn't dress that way even if I did tell her to.

It's crazy what we, as a society, begin to accept just because others are doing it.

Remember that line "if all your friends jumped off a cliff, would you"?

Vette · Owl drink to that!

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
VetteGirl wrote:
I wasn't being passive.
Ah. Yes. Just plain old rude. Thanks. It's so good we can look toward our mods for fairness and impartialness. I'll keep that in mind.
I really don't give a damn that you're still all butt hurt because I don't treat my dogs the way you say I should. The fact that you're still all butt hurt over it says a lot about you.

I don't even know what you're talking about

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

wild_blue wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I live in the south and have been to a few churches. Yes, many women still wear dresses but many wear jeans. I don't think churches can afford to be so picky on what their members are wearing these days. Most are lucky they have regular members. There are many many many churches here that don't expect you to dress up. It's the "norm".

I think some of the church dress standards are based on socio-economic status of the parishioners. The church I grew up in was a working class neighborhood, and the dress was pretty casual. In the nicer part of town the church there had members in dress slacks, ties, ect.

The church I grew up in had certain dress codes.

Women dressed like women and men dressed like men. I remember more than one sermon on it. That was back in the 70s and early 80s.

Here, females wore dresses or skirts. And your top had to be appropriate too. Not too low and had to cover you. Now we were not prudes about it. We were stylish. But it meant I wore panty hose with my dresses. Period. And a slip no matter what the skirt was made of.

Men wore slacks and suits. A dress shirt and tie was fine without a coat. But if the shirt was thin enough to see through, they wore an undershirt with it.

Things have relaxed a lot.

I wear pants to church. They are dress pants and a really nice blouse. I wear pants because of the way I move getting up and down now. I am always afraid I will flash someone in a dress.

The church I attend now has all kinds coming in. Some are in dresses and suits. Some are in pants. Some are in jeans.

God wants us to be modest without self. He wants us to dress appropriately. And I don't really think He cares if it is jeans or dresses. As long as we are covered and remember that we are there to worship and honor Him, not pick apart what someone else is wearing.

Honeys_Mom · Mod & Permanent Board Sweetheart

Southern_Belle wrote:
We need something ridiculous that men have to wear. Like a jock 2 sizes too small.

We recently had a thread about the perfect thing! biggrin

WYSIWYG · Guru

I don't attend Church regularly anymore, but if I go with someone to their church, I always wear a suit and tie, even if they don't "get dressed in their Sunday best".

WYSIWYG · Guru

"if you don't wear high heels (when there is no medical reason you can't), you are not being as attractive as you can be. Or in other words, eye candy for men." - just Czech

I disagree with the "eye candy for men" part of that. A beautiful woman is "eye candy" for anyone that sees her, man or woman. I believe that women look at women (not so much in a sexual way, but in a "she looks beautiful" way, if she does look beautiful) almost as much as men do.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

lilyofcourse wrote:

The church I grew up in had certain dress codes.
Women dressed like women and men dressed like men. I remember more than one sermon on it. That was back in the 70s and early 80s.
Here, females wore dresses or skirts. And your top had to be appropriate too. Not too low and had to cover you. Now we were not prudes about it. We were stylish. But it meant I wore panty hose with my dresses. Period. And a slip no matter what the skirt was made of.
Men wore slacks and suits. A dress shirt and tie was fine without a coat. But if the shirt was thin enough to see through, they wore an undershirt with it.
Things have relaxed a lot.
I wear pants to church. They are dress pants and a really nice blouse. I wear pants because of the way I move getting up and down now. I am always afraid I will flash someone in a dress.
The church I attend now has all kinds coming in. Some are in dresses and suits. Some are in pants. Some are in jeans.
God wants us to be modest without self. He wants us to dress appropriately. And I don't really think He cares if it is jeans or dresses. As long as we are covered and remember that we are there to worship and honor Him, not pick apart what someone else is wearing.

I guess this is pretty much the way I feel. If I go to church it is to worship the lord. Not to be judged on my looks. If someone needs to spend the whole time deciding why I wore what I wore and whether it's appropriate or not then that's their loss. Not mine. In Texas there are many churches that are definitely NOT poor and the men wear nice pressed blue jeans, cowboy boots, cowboy hats, and a denim or plaid shirt. That's considered fine. Women wear either jeans or very casual dresses. Sundresses are popular in the summer. And I'm not talking boobs hanging out sundress but appropriate ones. Just because the attire is casual doesn't mean you're poor.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Eh high heels are a deflated concept.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

So for all those preaching conformity? Should Michelle Obama have worn a head scarf when she went to Saudi Arabia for the funeral? She was in their country, on their turf, in their culture. But she claims she's more comfortable without a head scarf. So what is appropriate?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

The only thing I really, really want people to get and make a real effort to do in church or any where else, is make sure when you sit down, kneel or do anything else, your crack isn't hanging out. Sorry. That is right up there with blowing your nose at the table for me.

I know, I know. It's my problem. But it really bothers me.

Ilumine · Regular

huskerbb wrote:
Ilumine wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ilumine wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Tignanello wrote:
I didn't know that high heeled shoes fell into the same etiquette batch as the fish knife . . .
But they do. At the end of the day it doesn't matter which fork you use any more than your attire--but manners are there for a reason. Attire or table manners really are not different.
And the proper, i.e. etiquette/mannerly driven attire has changed over the centuries.

MEN used to wear tights and stockings (along with garters), men wore very ornate hats, men wore the color purple and red, and yes, MEN WORE HIGH HEELS (very ornate high heels I might add).
So your stance that it is ONLY mannerly for women to wear heels at a formal function is pretty much moot, since I am sure you are no longer expected to wear heels yourself.

What is acceptable in fashion AND in etiquette has evolved. At least for most of the world.
No, but I would be expected to wear whatever "formal wear" is for men--usually at least a jacket and tie, and no running shoes.
Are you really that dense? The point is "formal wear" has changed/evolved...so just like your manliness is no longer expected to wear heels, women are no longer expected to wear heels to meet the current definition.

Heelless shoes are not necessarily casual. The problem is, you refuse to accept that your opinion is not the reigning one, as I pointed out in my first post that provided two links that discussed the fact that the fashion world does, in fact, find flats to be an IN thing.

Also, most US fashion (the type of clothing the 99% wear) is about 2-5 years behind Europe. Flats are in.
It hasn't changed that much. Maybe you need to get out into a bit bigger world than your little box.

Again, you know nothing of what you speak.

I posted links to articles that have shown that formal flats are in fashion per the fashion gurus and are acceptable as formal wear. Therefore it HAS changed. But for some reason you still believe that your opinion is higher than the opinions of the fashion designers, buyers, sellers and press?

And given the fact that before I married my husband I was a lobbyist on Capital Hill, where I not only testified before congress but participated in both professional and formal functions (my favorite was the USO Gala where I got to eat dinner with Mr. Wayne Newton) for 6 years AND then after marrying my E9 DH and moving to Europe, having to participate in a number of military and local (German, Belgian and Lux) formal events on an almost monthly basis for 3 years, I may JUST MAY have a better idea of what is appropriate for women to wear in business and formal situations than you.

My box is varied and global, what's yours again?