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Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

RE: Do the Amish Drink Hard Liquor?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And additionally, when I drive through your states, I am not contributing to the upkeep of your roads, either b/c I don't have a vehicle registered in that state, but I am still using them.

cadiver · Senior Member

Lawyerlady wrote:
You pay a wheel tax not because you use the roads, but because you buy or own a motarized vehicle in that state. The law calls for taxes on motorized vehicles - the Amish do not buy or own them. You are angry at them because your state doesn't make a special law to tax their NON-motarized vehicles, and the state cannot make a special law to single them out.

This is the same for child safety seats that apply to motorized vehicles.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
You pay a wheel tax not because you use the roads, but because you buy or own a motarized vehicle in that state. The law calls for taxes on motorized vehicles - the Amish do not buy or own them. You are angry at them because your state doesn't make a special law to tax their NON-motarized vehicles, and the state cannot make a special law to single them out.

Not true. I don't have to pay a wheel tax for owning a vehicle. I can have one and drive around private roads (like the roads at the lake house) all I want. I cannot drive on PUBLIC roads without paying a wheel tax. All motorized vehicles do not incur the wheel tax, but they aren't allowed on county roads.

If my kids ride their bike down a public road, they must wear a helmet, not true for the Amish. They can do whatever the hell they want, endangering and even killing their kids, but hey, they're Amish, right?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
You pay a wheel tax not because you use the roads, but because you buy or own a motarized vehicle in that state. The law calls for taxes on motorized vehicles - the Amish do not buy or own them. You are angry at them because your state doesn't make a special law to tax their NON-motarized vehicles, and the state cannot make a special law to single them out.

Not true. I don't have to pay a wheel tax for owning a vehicle. I can have one and drive around private roads (like the roads at the lake house) all I want. I cannot drive on PUBLIC roads without paying a wheel tax. All motorized vehicles do not incur the wheel tax, but they aren't allowed on county roads.
If my kids ride their bike down a public road, they must wear a helmet, not true for the Amish. They can do whatever the hell they want, endangering and even killing their kids, but hey, they're Amish, right?

How are those taxes collected?

And are you saying visitors who don't pay taxes are not allowed to drive on county roads? That's ridiculous - county roads are still public roads.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Monday 2nd of February 2015 11:47:57 AM

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
You pay a wheel tax not because you use the roads, but because you buy or own a motarized vehicle in that state. The law calls for taxes on motorized vehicles - the Amish do not buy or own them. You are angry at them because your state doesn't make a special law to tax their NON-motarized vehicles, and the state cannot make a special law to single them out.

Not true. I don't have to pay a wheel tax for owning a vehicle. I can have one and drive around private roads (like the roads at the lake house) all I want. I cannot drive on PUBLIC roads without paying a wheel tax. All motorized vehicles do not incur the wheel tax, but they aren't allowed on county roads.
If my kids ride their bike down a public road, they must wear a helmet, not true for the Amish. They can do whatever the hell they want, endangering and even killing their kids, but hey, they're Amish, right?
How are those taxes collected?

What taxes?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
You pay a wheel tax not because you use the roads, but because you buy or own a motarized vehicle in that state. The law calls for taxes on motorized vehicles - the Amish do not buy or own them. You are angry at them because your state doesn't make a special law to tax their NON-motarized vehicles, and the state cannot make a special law to single them out.

Not true. I don't have to pay a wheel tax for owning a vehicle. I can have one and drive around private roads (like the roads at the lake house) all I want. I cannot drive on PUBLIC roads without paying a wheel tax. All motorized vehicles do not incur the wheel tax, but they aren't allowed on county roads.
If my kids ride their bike down a public road, they must wear a helmet, not true for the Amish. They can do whatever the hell they want, endangering and even killing their kids, but hey, they're Amish, right?
How are those taxes collected?
What taxes?

The wheel tax to drive on your county roads - how are those collected and enforced?

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
You pay a wheel tax not because you use the roads, but because you buy or own a motarized vehicle in that state. The law calls for taxes on motorized vehicles - the Amish do not buy or own them. You are angry at them because your state doesn't make a special law to tax their NON-motarized vehicles, and the state cannot make a special law to single them out.

Not true. I don't have to pay a wheel tax for owning a vehicle. I can have one and drive around private roads (like the roads at the lake house) all I want. I cannot drive on PUBLIC roads without paying a wheel tax. All motorized vehicles do not incur the wheel tax, but they aren't allowed on county roads.
If my kids ride their bike down a public road, they must wear a helmet, not true for the Amish. They can do whatever the hell they want, endangering and even killing their kids, but hey, they're Amish, right?
How are those taxes collected?
What taxes?
The wheel tax to drive on your county roads - how are those collected and enforced?

By having to renew our registration each year. If your tags are expired, you get a ticket.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
You pay a wheel tax not because you use the roads, but because you buy or own a motarized vehicle in that state. The law calls for taxes on motorized vehicles - the Amish do not buy or own them. You are angry at them because your state doesn't make a special law to tax their NON-motarized vehicles, and the state cannot make a special law to single them out.

Not true. I don't have to pay a wheel tax for owning a vehicle. I can have one and drive around private roads (like the roads at the lake house) all I want. I cannot drive on PUBLIC roads without paying a wheel tax. All motorized vehicles do not incur the wheel tax, but they aren't allowed on county roads.
If my kids ride their bike down a public road, they must wear a helmet, not true for the Amish. They can do whatever the hell they want, endangering and even killing their kids, but hey, they're Amish, right?
How are those taxes collected?
What taxes?
The wheel tax to drive on your county roads - how are those collected and enforced?
By having to renew our registration each year. If your tags are expired, you get a ticket.

So, people who don't own cars - how do they pay the tax?

And visitors to your county are not allowed to use the county roads?

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Monday 2nd of February 2015 11:56:43 AM

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
You pay a wheel tax not because you use the roads, but because you buy or own a motarized vehicle in that state. The law calls for taxes on motorized vehicles - the Amish do not buy or own them. You are angry at them because your state doesn't make a special law to tax their NON-motarized vehicles, and the state cannot make a special law to single them out.

Not true. I don't have to pay a wheel tax for owning a vehicle. I can have one and drive around private roads (like the roads at the lake house) all I want. I cannot drive on PUBLIC roads without paying a wheel tax. All motorized vehicles do not incur the wheel tax, but they aren't allowed on county roads.
If my kids ride their bike down a public road, they must wear a helmet, not true for the Amish. They can do whatever the hell they want, endangering and even killing their kids, but hey, they're Amish, right?
How are those taxes collected?
What taxes?
The wheel tax to drive on your county roads - how are those collected and enforced?
By having to renew our registration each year. If your tags are expired, you get a ticket.
So, people who don't own cars - how do they pay the tax?

And visitors to your county are not allowed to use the county roads?

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Monday 2nd of February 2015 11:56:43 AM

Why would they need to pay a tax on something they don't use?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
You pay a wheel tax not because you use the roads, but because you buy or own a motarized vehicle in that state. The law calls for taxes on motorized vehicles - the Amish do not buy or own them. You are angry at them because your state doesn't make a special law to tax their NON-motarized vehicles, and the state cannot make a special law to single them out.

Not true. I don't have to pay a wheel tax for owning a vehicle. I can have one and drive around private roads (like the roads at the lake house) all I want. I cannot drive on PUBLIC roads without paying a wheel tax. All motorized vehicles do not incur the wheel tax, but they aren't allowed on county roads.
If my kids ride their bike down a public road, they must wear a helmet, not true for the Amish. They can do whatever the hell they want, endangering and even killing their kids, but hey, they're Amish, right?
How are those taxes collected?
What taxes?
The wheel tax to drive on your county roads - how are those collected and enforced?
By having to renew our registration each year. If your tags are expired, you get a ticket.
So, people who don't own cars - how do they pay the tax?

And visitors to your county are not allowed to use the county roads?

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Monday 2nd of February 2015 11:56:43 AM
Why would they need to pay a tax on something they don't use?

So only registered vehicle owners in your county use the public roads? NO visitors? No neighboring county residents?

I'm really trying to understand the contradictions in this paragraph -

"I can have one and drive around private roads (like the roads at the lake house) all I want. I cannot drive on PUBLIC roads without paying a wheel tax. All motorized vehicles do not incur the wheel tax, but they aren't allowed on county roads."

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I mean - the general understanding of a "wheel tax" is the registration fees or taxes each year on your tag, which you don't have to pay unless you own an automobile of some kind. I pay that in my county. But certainly, the general public uses our roads, whether they live in our county and pay the tax or not. In fact, many out of state people use our roads. They are not paying our taxes. And people who don't actually own cars still use the roads - their friends come pick them up, they borrow people's cars, or they ride bikes or walk on them.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
You pay a wheel tax not because you use the roads, but because you buy or own a motarized vehicle in that state. The law calls for taxes on motorized vehicles - the Amish do not buy or own them. You are angry at them because your state doesn't make a special law to tax their NON-motarized vehicles, and the state cannot make a special law to single them out.

Not true. I don't have to pay a wheel tax for owning a vehicle. I can have one and drive around private roads (like the roads at the lake house) all I want. I cannot drive on PUBLIC roads without paying a wheel tax. All motorized vehicles do not incur the wheel tax, but they aren't allowed on county roads.
If my kids ride their bike down a public road, they must wear a helmet, not true for the Amish. They can do whatever the hell they want, endangering and even killing their kids, but hey, they're Amish, right?
How are those taxes collected?
What taxes?
The wheel tax to drive on your county roads - how are those collected and enforced?
By having to renew our registration each year. If your tags are expired, you get a ticket.
So, people who don't own cars - how do they pay the tax?

And visitors to your county are not allowed to use the county roads?

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Monday 2nd of February 2015 11:56:43 AM
Why would they need to pay a tax on something they don't use?
So only registered vehicle owners in your county use the public roads? NO visitors? No neighboring county residents?

I'm really trying to understand the contradictions in this paragraph -
"I can have one and drive around private roads (like the roads at the lake house) all I want. I cannot drive on PUBLIC roads without paying a wheel tax. All motorized vehicles do not incur the wheel tax, but they aren't allowed on county roads."

No, but the Amish rarely go outside the county roads. Yet they do an immense amount of damage. They should have to pay for the roads they use daily, just like everyone else does. If you live here and use the roads, you should be subject to the same regulations as everyone else...

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
I mean - the general understanding of a "wheel tax" is the registration fees or taxes each year on your tag, which you don't have to pay unless you own an automobile of some kind. I pay that in my county. But certainly, the general public uses our roads, whether they live in our county and pay the tax or not. In fact, many out of state people use our roads. They are not paying our taxes. And people who don't actually own cars still use the roads - their friends come pick them up, they borrow people's cars, or they ride bikes or walk on them.

And those people have paid their wheel taxes...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I mean - the general understanding of a "wheel tax" is the registration fees or taxes each year on your tag, which you don't have to pay unless you own an automobile of some kind. I pay that in my county. But certainly, the general public uses our roads, whether they live in our county and pay the tax or not. In fact, many out of state people use our roads. They are not paying our taxes. And people who don't actually own cars still use the roads - their friends come pick them up, they borrow people's cars, or they ride bikes or walk on them.

And those people have paid their wheel taxes...

How do you know? This is a county tax - they may not live in that county.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
You pay a wheel tax not because you use the roads, but because you buy or own a motarized vehicle in that state. The law calls for taxes on motorized vehicles - the Amish do not buy or own them. You are angry at them because your state doesn't make a special law to tax their NON-motarized vehicles, and the state cannot make a special law to single them out.

Not true. I don't have to pay a wheel tax for owning a vehicle. I can have one and drive around private roads (like the roads at the lake house) all I want. I cannot drive on PUBLIC roads without paying a wheel tax. All motorized vehicles do not incur the wheel tax, but they aren't allowed on county roads.
If my kids ride their bike down a public road, they must wear a helmet, not true for the Amish. They can do whatever the hell they want, endangering and even killing their kids, but hey, they're Amish, right?
How are those taxes collected?
What taxes?
The wheel tax to drive on your county roads - how are those collected and enforced?
By having to renew our registration each year. If your tags are expired, you get a ticket.
So, people who don't own cars - how do they pay the tax?

And visitors to your county are not allowed to use the county roads?

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Monday 2nd of February 2015 11:56:43 AM
Why would they need to pay a tax on something they don't use?
So only registered vehicle owners in your county use the public roads? NO visitors? No neighboring county residents?

I'm really trying to understand the contradictions in this paragraph -
"I can have one and drive around private roads (like the roads at the lake house) all I want. I cannot drive on PUBLIC roads without paying a wheel tax. All motorized vehicles do not incur the wheel tax, but they aren't allowed on county roads."
No, but the Amish rarely go outside the county roads. Yet they do an immense amount of damage. They should have to pay for the roads they use daily, just like everyone else does. If you live here and use the roads, you should be subject to the same regulations as everyone else...

And back to the original point - they don't pay the tax b/c they don't own motorized vehicles that are subject to the tax.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And I'm confused - your home isn't in Kentucky. Why do you register your vehicles in Kentucky?

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I mean - the general understanding of a "wheel tax" is the registration fees or taxes each year on your tag, which you don't have to pay unless you own an automobile of some kind. I pay that in my county. But certainly, the general public uses our roads, whether they live in our county and pay the tax or not. In fact, many out of state people use our roads. They are not paying our taxes. And people who don't actually own cars still use the roads - their friends come pick them up, they borrow people's cars, or they ride bikes or walk on them.

And those people have paid their wheel taxes...
How do you know? This is a county tax - they may not live in that county.

Then they pay their county tax. The Amish DO live in a certain county, yet do not pay anything. They rarely leave the county, yet they enjoy the benefits of those that have to keep paying more because they are hypocrites.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
And I'm confused - your home isn't in Kentucky. Why do you register your vehicles in Kentucky?

We own land there and keep a vehicle there.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I mean - the general understanding of a "wheel tax" is the registration fees or taxes each year on your tag, which you don't have to pay unless you own an automobile of some kind. I pay that in my county. But certainly, the general public uses our roads, whether they live in our county and pay the tax or not. In fact, many out of state people use our roads. They are not paying our taxes. And people who don't actually own cars still use the roads - their friends come pick them up, they borrow people's cars, or they ride bikes or walk on them.

And those people have paid their wheel taxes...
How do you know? This is a county tax - they may not live in that county.
Then they pay their county tax. The Amish DO live in a certain county, yet do not pay anything. They rarely leave the county, yet they enjoy the benefits of those that have to keep paying more because they are hypocrites.

You just said that you pay those taxes when you register your vehicles. They have no vehicles to register. There is no registration tax for horse and buggies. You are mad at them for not paying a tax that doesn't exist.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
And I'm confused - your home isn't in Kentucky. Why do you register your vehicles in Kentucky?
We own land there and keep a vehicle there.

How do you get there?

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
You pay a wheel tax not because you use the roads, but because you buy or own a motarized vehicle in that state. The law calls for taxes on motorized vehicles - the Amish do not buy or own them. You are angry at them because your state doesn't make a special law to tax their NON-motarized vehicles, and the state cannot make a special law to single them out.

Not true. I don't have to pay a wheel tax for owning a vehicle. I can have one and drive around private roads (like the roads at the lake house) all I want. I cannot drive on PUBLIC roads without paying a wheel tax. All motorized vehicles do not incur the wheel tax, but they aren't allowed on county roads.
If my kids ride their bike down a public road, they must wear a helmet, not true for the Amish. They can do whatever the hell they want, endangering and even killing their kids, but hey, they're Amish, right?
How are those taxes collected?
What taxes?
The wheel tax to drive on your county roads - how are those collected and enforced?
By having to renew our registration each year. If your tags are expired, you get a ticket.
So, people who don't own cars - how do they pay the tax?

And visitors to your county are not allowed to use the county roads?

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Monday 2nd of February 2015 11:56:43 AM
Why would they need to pay a tax on something they don't use?
So only registered vehicle owners in your county use the public roads? NO visitors? No neighboring county residents?

I'm really trying to understand the contradictions in this paragraph -
"I can have one and drive around private roads (like the roads at the lake house) all I want. I cannot drive on PUBLIC roads without paying a wheel tax. All motorized vehicles do not incur the wheel tax, but they aren't allowed on county roads."
No, but the Amish rarely go outside the county roads. Yet they do an immense amount of damage. They should have to pay for the roads they use daily, just like everyone else does. If you live here and use the roads, you should be subject to the same regulations as everyone else...
And back to the original point - they don't pay the tax b/c they don't own motorized vehicles that are subject to the tax.

My point it that they SHOULD be taxed. They do more damage to the roads that any motorized vehicle. They should be able to use their religion for the destruction of public property.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
And I'm confused - your home isn't in Kentucky. Why do you register your vehicles in Kentucky?
We own land there and keep a vehicle there.
How do you get there?

Well, not in the Z anymore! They've caused enough damage. We take another car. One that DOES NOT DAMAGE public roads. And when we are there, we use the truck, the one that's registered in KY.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I'm bored...

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flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Maybe I need some hard liquor?

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Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:

My point it that they SHOULD be taxed. They do more damage to the roads that any motorized vehicle. They should be able to use their religion for the destruction of public property.

But they are not. So they are not refusing to pay taxes - they are simply not taxed, so exactly how is they are using their religion to avoid the tax? By choosing not to own motorized vehicles that get taxed? Since that is not the reason they don't own them - that's not really a reason to be mad at them. And the fact that buggies are not taxed is an issue to take up with your legislature, not the Amish. Or what? You expect them to just volunteer to pay a tax that doesn't exist? They pay the taxes that are levied against them.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
And I'm confused - your home isn't in Kentucky. Why do you register your vehicles in Kentucky?
We own land there and keep a vehicle there.
How do you get there?
Well, not in the Z anymore! They've caused enough damage. We take another car. One that DOES NOT DAMAGE public roads. And when we are there, we use the truck, the one that's registered in KY.

So, you are getting there in a car that is not registered there and drive it over those roads. I do find it strange that you register a vehicle in a state that isn't your home. Why do you do that?

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:

My point it that they SHOULD be taxed. They do more damage to the roads that any motorized vehicle. They should be able to use their religion for the destruction of public property.
But they are not. So they are not refusing to pay taxes - they are simply not taxed, so exactly how is they are using their religion to avoid the tax? By choosing not to own motorized vehicles that get taxed? Since that is not the reason they don't own them - that's not really a reason to be mad at them. And the fact that buggies are not taxed is an issue to take up with your legislature, not the Amish. Or what? You expect them to just volunteer to pay a tax that doesn't exist? They pay the taxes that are levied against them.

I'm hoping that they WILL start taxing them. It's only right. Many places are doing just that...

http://visitpadutchcountry.com/in-indiana-buggy-license-fees-shoot-up-for-allen-county-amish/

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
And I'm confused - your home isn't in Kentucky. Why do you register your vehicles in Kentucky?
We own land there and keep a vehicle there.
How do you get there?
Well, not in the Z anymore! They've caused enough damage. We take another car. One that DOES NOT DAMAGE public roads. And when we are there, we use the truck, the one that's registered in KY.
So, you are getting there in a car that is not registered there and drive it over those roads. I do find it strange that you register a vehicle in a state that isn't your home. Why do you do that?

To support that county. We never bring it back to TN. So it's only fair that we pay the taxes in the county for which it will only be used. We have the boat registered there too. And this IS a second home. It will one day be or primary home.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:

My point it that they SHOULD be taxed. They do more damage to the roads that any motorized vehicle. They should be able to use their religion for the destruction of public property.
But they are not. So they are not refusing to pay taxes - they are simply not taxed, so exactly how is they are using their religion to avoid the tax? By choosing not to own motorized vehicles that get taxed? Since that is not the reason they don't own them - that's not really a reason to be mad at them. And the fact that buggies are not taxed is an issue to take up with your legislature, not the Amish. Or what? You expect them to just volunteer to pay a tax that doesn't exist? They pay the taxes that are levied against them.

I'm hoping that they WILL start taxing them. It's only right. Many places are doing just that...
http://visitpadutchcountry.com/in-indiana-buggy-license-fees-shoot-up-for-allen-county-amish/

So tax them. But don't get mad at them for not paying a tax that doesn't exist, yet. That makes no sense.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:

My point it that they SHOULD be taxed. They do more damage to the roads that any motorized vehicle. They should be able to use their religion for the destruction of public property.
But they are not. So they are not refusing to pay taxes - they are simply not taxed, so exactly how is they are using their religion to avoid the tax? By choosing not to own motorized vehicles that get taxed? Since that is not the reason they don't own them - that's not really a reason to be mad at them. And the fact that buggies are not taxed is an issue to take up with your legislature, not the Amish. Or what? You expect them to just volunteer to pay a tax that doesn't exist? They pay the taxes that are levied against them.

I'm hoping that they WILL start taxing them. It's only right. Many places are doing just that...
http://visitpadutchcountry.com/in-indiana-buggy-license-fees-shoot-up-for-allen-county-amish/

Allen County is the county I used to live in for the record. And notice that the Amish do about half a million dollars in damage to the roads there.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Poop and urine is something that happens.

Who is going around in the wild teaching all those bears, squirrels and coyotes to use port a potties?

And here is the thing. It's VERY biodegradable. And all that organic food in the store is fertilized with a compound fertilizer made with poop and dead chickens.

I'm sorry. I just don't see the big deal. Other than they are different and have different ways and that makes some uncomfortable.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

lilyofcourse wrote:
Poop and urine is something that happens.

Who is going around in the wild teaching all those bears, squirrels and coyotes to use port a potties?

And here is the thing. It's VERY biodegradable. And all that organic food in the store is fertilized with a compound fertilizer made with poop and dead chickens.

I'm sorry. I just don't see the big deal. Other than they are different and have different ways and that makes some uncomfortable.

Allow me to break it down for you (pun intentional)

poop in your drinking water is hazardous and will kill you. They are contaminating the drinking water with poop.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Mellow Momma wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Poop and urine is something that happens.

Who is going around in the wild teaching all those bears, squirrels and coyotes to use port a potties?

And here is the thing. It's VERY biodegradable. And all that organic food in the store is fertilized with a compound fertilizer made with poop and dead chickens.

I'm sorry. I just don't see the big deal. Other than they are different and have different ways and that makes some uncomfortable.
Allow me to break it down for you (pun intentional)

poop in your drinking water is hazardous and will kill you. They are contaminating the drinking water with poop.

And allow me to enlighten you.

Unless you have some dedicated and completely protected stream that comes directly into your house, it ALL some kind of poop in it.

I have this thing called "city water". It's that stuff that comes out of that magic stick in the kitchen sink. It is treated and by the time it gets to my glass, contaminant free.

Even well water is naturally filtered and can have those fancy store bought filters put on them. And then they are contaminant free.

So if you are still going down to the creek to catch up you drinking water, the poop isn't going to be in you glass.

Again, there are many. many. many animals pooping and peeing in the world.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Poop and urine is something that happens.

Who is going around in the wild teaching all those bears, squirrels and coyotes to use port a potties?

And here is the thing. It's VERY biodegradable. And all that organic food in the store is fertilized with a compound fertilizer made with poop and dead chickens.

I'm sorry. I just don't see the big deal. Other than they are different and have different ways and that makes some uncomfortable.
Allow me to break it down for you (pun intentional)

poop in your drinking water is hazardous and will kill you. They are contaminating the drinking water with poop.
And allow me to enlighten you.
Unless you have some dedicated and completely protected stream that comes directly into your house, it ALL some kind of poop in it.
I have this thing called "city water". It's that stuff that comes out of that magic stick in the kitchen sink. It is treated and by the time it gets to my glass, contaminant free.
Even well water is naturally filtered and can have those fancy store bought filters put on them. And then they are contaminant free.
So if you are still going down to the creek to catch up you drinking water, the poop isn't going to be in you glass.
Again, there are many. many. many animals pooping and peeing in the world.

And that is WHY there are regulations in place for the HUMANS.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Because the animal population is so incredibly eclipsed by the hoo-mans.

I hate to tell Ya'll this, but there are still areas in which people don't have running water and outhouses are still the best in modern conveniences.

I cant believe anyone is so narcissistic to think they have so much control over nature.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mellow Momma wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:

My point it that they SHOULD be taxed. They do more damage to the roads that any motorized vehicle. They should be able to use their religion for the destruction of public property.
But they are not. So they are not refusing to pay taxes - they are simply not taxed, so exactly how is they are using their religion to avoid the tax? By choosing not to own motorized vehicles that get taxed? Since that is not the reason they don't own them - that's not really a reason to be mad at them. And the fact that buggies are not taxed is an issue to take up with your legislature, not the Amish. Or what? You expect them to just volunteer to pay a tax that doesn't exist? They pay the taxes that are levied against them.

I'm hoping that they WILL start taxing them. It's only right. Many places are doing just that...
http://visitpadutchcountry.com/in-indiana-buggy-license-fees-shoot-up-for-allen-county-amish/
Allen County is the county I used to live in for the record. And notice that the Amish do about half a million dollars in damage to the roads there.

I particularly liked this part of the article -

The other question that springs to mind is a historical one: The Amish first settled in Allen County, Indiana around 1852, 70 years before modern macadam roads began to be constructed. Why should the Amish be expected to pay for damage to a type of road they did not want, ask for or need. Macadam roads benefit cars and trucks, not buggies – and certainly not horses. This is not to say that the Amish do not benefit at all from modern roads – but their way of life does not, in any way depend on the construction and maintenance of expensive macadam roads. The same cannot be said of the larger, modern communities they live among. In order to prove my point, imagine that all of the modern, macadam roads in Allen County one day suddenly reverted to dirt. What population would be more dramatically affected: the Amish in their horse drawn buggies…or everyone else?

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
voiceofreason wrote:
WWJD?
encourage people to obey the law...He really kinda encouraged that...
And love one another...
flan
Love the criminal, not the crime...
Using a horse and buggy on the road is not a crime.
Not adhering to environmental standards is.

The are environmental laws. We can't let people skirt the law claiming a religious exemption. You want muslim woman to be able to cover the faces on the pass port photos and drivers licenses? Of course not. Public safety and security could be impacted.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
voiceofreason wrote:
WWJD?
encourage people to obey the law...He really kinda encouraged that...
And love one another...
flan
Love the criminal, not the crime...
Using a horse and buggy on the road is not a crime.
Not adhering to environmental standards is.
The are environmental laws. We can't let people skirt the law claiming a religious exemption. You want muslim woman to be able to cover the faces on the pass port photos and drivers licenses? Of course not. Public safety and security could be impacted.

But it is the environmental standards that have changed - not the Amish. So, they need to find a way that fits instead of going about it the most difficult, stubborn way.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

It's like this - if suddenly the local government decided that all the septic tanks installed in the last 20 years are not environmentally friendly, they can't just tell everyone they have to dig them up and replace them. They can regulate what goes in NEW, but not what already exists.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
And I'm confused - your home isn't in Kentucky. Why do you register your vehicles in Kentucky?
We own land there and keep a vehicle there.
How do you get there?
Well, not in the Z anymore! They've caused enough damage. We take another car. One that DOES NOT DAMAGE public roads. And when we are there, we use the truck, the one that's registered in KY.
So, you are getting there in a car that is not registered there and drive it over those roads. I do find it strange that you register a vehicle in a state that isn't your home. Why do you do that?

Why do you find it strange? they leave/garage the truck in Ky so that is where is should be registered. Around here, you are not supposed to have a car registered in another state permanently on your property. You will be ticketed. The towns and cities do this to expressly get people to pay their excise taxes and/or registration. The only exemption is military personnel.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

O4. You made the comment that Sweetness's people were here first.

And yes, they were. And look how it turned out. With all of our laws and regulations and such. I don't think we want repeat the same history.

But the attitudes I have seen on this thread is the same attitudes that lead to reservations and the treatment of the native Americans.

Just something to think about.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
It's like this - if suddenly the local government decided that all the septic tanks installed in the last 20 years are not environmentally friendly, they can't just tell everyone they have to dig them up and replace them. They can regulate what goes in NEW, but not what already exists.

WRONG! We were told that septic tanks were no longer acceptable in our subdivision and that we had to pay to connect to sewer.

This isn't my subdivision, but it's happening many places...including mine...

Carmel residents forced to move from septic to sewer

by Diana Lamirand

Chris Katterjohn knows it's only a matter of time before he's forced to connect to a new sanitary sewer system installed in his Carmel neighborhood.

The Clay Township Regional Waste District required two of his neighbors in the Oak Tree subdivision to connect, but he and 11 others escaped the district's project to extend sanitary sewer to 25 homes near 116th Street and Shelborne Road.

"It's going to be a big expense and I'd rather not do it," says Katterjohn, an Angie's List member. "I've got a septic system that works just fine. If it's not broken, why fix it?"

CTRWD Utility Director Andrew Williams says pollution from failed septic systems is most often the reason for extending sanitary sewers into a neighborhood. The Hamilton County Health Department requires certain criteria when replacing septics, such as not putting the new one in the same spot.

"There are residents with failed septic systems who don't have enough ground to put in a replacement," Williams says.

Angie's List members Dean and Carole Kimsey spent more than $12,000 to connect to the new sewer in Oak Tree. "We've lived here for 21 years and we worried about our septic tank anyway," Carole says. "In order to replace a septic system to today's standards, it would cost about the same as this."

The Kimseys are among about 266 Clay Township homeowners who have received a connect notice from CTRWD in the last year. Following neighborhood meetings and public hearings, the CTRWD board decides whether to extend sanitary sewer and sets monthly sewer rates.

Residents have five years to connect and 90 days to make financial arrangements. About half opt to pay it immediately while the other half agree to five-, 10- or 20-year repayment plans. If they refuse to connect, a judge could order them to comply.

Jeffrey Franz, one of nearly 100 homeowners in the Holaday Hills and Dales subdivision near 99th Street and Westfield Boulevard, is paying $19.96 a month for 20 years for his neighborhood's sewer lines.

He plans to wait five years before hooking into it, and then he'll pay an additional $1,750 connection and application fee. And that doesn't include the $6,000 to $8,000 he'll likely pay a contractor to install a pump and make the connection.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Lawyerlady wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
voiceofreason wrote:
WWJD?
encourage people to obey the law...He really kinda encouraged that...
And love one another...
flan
Love the criminal, not the crime...
Using a horse and buggy on the road is not a crime.
Not adhering to environmental standards is.
The are environmental laws. We can't let people skirt the law claiming a religious exemption. You want muslim woman to be able to cover the faces on the pass port photos and drivers licenses? Of course not. Public safety and security could be impacted.
But it is the environmental standards that have changed - not the Amish. So, they need to find a way that fits instead of going about it the most difficult, stubborn way.

You do realize that all that outhouse seepage goes in the aquifers and into the drinking water, right? If you have well water "down stream" from that out house your water is probably not potable.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Lawyerlady wrote:
It's like this - if suddenly the local government decided that all the septic tanks installed in the last 20 years are not environmentally friendly, they can't just tell everyone they have to dig them up and replace them. They can regulate what goes in NEW, but not what already exists.

They did in Mass, it's called Title V.

Ohfour · Hooker

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
It's like this - if suddenly the local government decided that all the septic tanks installed in the last 20 years are not environmentally friendly, they can't just tell everyone they have to dig them up and replace them. They can regulate what goes in NEW, but not what already exists.
WRONG! We were told that septic tanks were no longer acceptable in our subdivision and that we had to pay to connect to sewer.

This isn't my subdivision, but it's happening many places...including mine...

Carmel residents forced to move from septic to sewer
by Diana Lamirand
Chris Katterjohn knows it's only a matter of time before he's forced to connect to a new sanitary sewer system installed in his Carmel neighborhood.
The Clay Township Regional Waste District required two of his neighbors in the Oak Tree subdivision to connect, but he and 11 others escaped the district's project to extend sanitary sewer to 25 homes near 116th Street and Shelborne Road.
"It's going to be a big expense and I'd rather not do it," says Katterjohn, an Angie's List member. "I've got a septic system that works just fine. If it's not broken, why fix it?"
CTRWD Utility Director Andrew Williams says pollution from failed septic systems is most often the reason for extending sanitary sewers into a neighborhood. The Hamilton County Health Department requires certain criteria when replacing septics, such as not putting the new one in the same spot.
"There are residents with failed septic systems who don't have enough ground to put in a replacement," Williams says.
Angie's List members Dean and Carole Kimsey spent more than $12,000 to connect to the new sewer in Oak Tree. "We've lived here for 21 years and we worried about our septic tank anyway," Carole says. "In order to replace a septic system to today's standards, it would cost about the same as this."
The Kimseys are among about 266 Clay Township homeowners who have received a connect notice from CTRWD in the last year. Following neighborhood meetings and public hearings, the CTRWD board decides whether to extend sanitary sewer and sets monthly sewer rates.
Residents have five years to connect and 90 days to make financial arrangements. About half opt to pay it immediately while the other half agree to five-, 10- or 20-year repayment plans. If they refuse to connect, a judge could order them to comply.
Jeffrey Franz, one of nearly 100 homeowners in the Holaday Hills and Dales subdivision near 99th Street and Westfield Boulevard, is paying $19.96 a month for 20 years for his neighborhood's sewer lines.
He plans to wait five years before hooking into it, and then he'll pay an additional $1,750 connection and application fee. And that doesn't include the $6,000 to $8,000 he'll likely pay a contractor to install a pump and make the connection.

ETA: this did not happen to use in our current location. It happened where we were renting, 5 years ago. The owner had to pay for it, we didn't...

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
voiceofreason wrote:
WWJD?
encourage people to obey the law...He really kinda encouraged that...
And love one another...
flan
Love the criminal, not the crime...
Using a horse and buggy on the road is not a crime.
Not adhering to environmental standards is.
The are environmental laws. We can't let people skirt the law claiming a religious exemption. You want muslim woman to be able to cover the faces on the pass port photos and drivers licenses? Of course not. Public safety and security could be impacted.
But it is the environmental standards that have changed - not the Amish. So, they need to find a way that fits instead of going about it the most difficult, stubborn way.

No they need to comply for the greater good. Everything changes.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
O4. You made the comment that Sweetness's people were here first.

And yes, they were. And look how it turned out. With all of our laws and regulations and such. I don't think we want repeat the same history.

But the attitudes I have seen on this thread is the same attitudes that lead to reservations and the treatment of the native Americans.

Just something to think about.

Let's round up those Amish & make them do their own "Trail of Tears."

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
O4. You made the comment that Sweetness's people were here first.

And yes, they were. And look how it turned out. With all of our laws and regulations and such. I don't think we want repeat the same history.

But the attitudes I have seen on this thread is the same attitudes that lead to reservations and the treatment of the native Americans.

Just something to think about.
Let's round up those Amish & make them do their own "Trail of Tears."
flan

If you had any real understanding of what happened you wouldn't make a joke like this.

Honestly Flan. what were you thinking?

Ohfour · Hooker

But it is the environmental standards that have changed - not the Amish. So, they need to find a way that fits instead of going about it the most difficult, stubborn way.

Animal abuse laws have changed too. I guess we need to just let them get away with that too. Child Labor Laws? The Amish haven't changed, society has. Let's not ruffle their feathers.