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flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

RE: Do the Amish Drink Hard Liquor?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Southern_Belle wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Southern_Belle wrote:
This is why we need a use tax instead of income tax. If they go out and buy stuff then they can pay taxes like everyone else.
Well, that still won't work for cars and the tag registration fees and wheel tax. They don't buy those. Of course, maybe we should MAKE them buy cars like any good American should do.
Yes, we need more cars on the road!

More exhaust for the air! I mean, they pollute anyway, let's just ignore that they DON'T add to air pollution with cars and factories and hairspray.

Ohfour · Hooker

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
To to rehash. . . You are annoyed that they aren't paying for taxes that don't exist for them, they are violating laws they are already exempt to, and they aren't being held to the same standard even though a whole bunch were apparently JAILED and REMOVED FROM THEIR HOMES for a septic violation.

Right. Totally makes sense.
Doesn't go quite far enough...
They should be paying more taxes, they shouldn't be exempt from certain laws, and they should be punished for the ones they break. They are no better than the rest of us.
You are making no sense.
Why on earth shouldn't they be exempt from the same laws that plenty of other people are also exempt from? Specifically, the child labor laws? Basically every family farm is exempt, yet the Amish shouldn't be? Why not?
You said yourself that taxes based off road use are payed for and enforced by car registration. So, Amish communities that own a car or two are paying that tax, and ones that don't, are not required to. So, what, exactly, is the issue here? They are not 'exempted' from the tax by some magical prowess granted by being Amish, they don't own cars. Which is how the tax is regulated and collected.
They went to JAIL for breaking a law. How much more punishment do you want?

Buggies should have to pay the same fees as cars. And thankfully, that's becoming prevalent. They should all be paying wheel tax.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

There is a lot of things the SHOULD be the case. Especially related to government. But it's NOT the case - so they are not breaking any laws related to the payment of those taxes.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
There is a lot of things the SHOULD be the case. Especially related to government. But it's NOT the case - so they are not breaking any laws related to the payment of those taxes.

Not yet. But thankfully, times are changing and they won't be able to hide behind their religion anymore.

They also do not have to have their kids in car seats while driving cars, at least not in KY. How is THAT not special treatment?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
As for EPA regulations, and animal abuse. . .
Animal abuse has been in the news lately. A lot. And there is a growning awareness of it. I have never heard of Amish people 'getting away' with animal abuse, as in, the proper authorities were notified and refused action or legally took no action because of their religion.
If someone does know of an instance where that happened--not just 'all farmers treat their animal horribly, and the Amish are horrible and I hate them' please link it, and I will stand corrected.
Also, one of my pet peeves is people crying abuse of farm animal where no abuse is taking place.
Dehorning is not abuse.
Giving shots is not abuse.
Trailering animals to and fro is not abuse.
Cutting the switch (the part of the tail that is only hair) off of a cow is not abuse.
Using dogs to move animals is not abusive to the cows or the dogs.
I have had people cry abuse at all of those things, and it is so scary. People are losing sight of what abuse is, and how it needs to be handled.

EPA regulations vary on what kind of farm you have, and how big it is. I have never heard of them varying based on religion.

Yeah, I am so lost on this lately. Animals are pets sure. And we love them. But animals are also work animals and that is NOT abuse. It's ridiculous now what we consider abuse. And I do believe there is abuse but it's incredible that animals doing what they were originally designed to do is somehow wrong. Animals, as much as we love them, are NOT people. I've recently heard that ANYONE that breeds dogs is running a puppy mill. I think that's incredibly stupid. So I did some research on it. In order to be a puppy mill it has to contain inhumane conditions. Breeding dogs alone does equate to a puppy mill. But people are so quick to yell about this. People need to wake up and stop letting the government be so involved in their lives.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

What are the rules for declaring a thread epic?

cadiver · Senior Member

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There is a lot of things the SHOULD be the case. Especially related to government. But it's NOT the case - so they are not breaking any laws related to the payment of those taxes.
Not yet. But thankfully, times are changing and they won't be able to hide behind their religion anymore.
They also do not have to have their kids in car seats while driving cars, at least not in KY. How is THAT not special treatment?

Do you have any source that they are exempt from child seats when they are driving a motor vehicle?

built after 1968.

-- Edited by cadiver on Monday 2nd of February 2015 06:17:32 PM

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There is a lot of things the SHOULD be the case. Especially related to government. But it's NOT the case - so they are not breaking any laws related to the payment of those taxes.
Not yet. But thankfully, times are changing and they won't be able to hide behind their religion anymore.
They also do not have to have their kids in car seats while driving cars, at least not in KY. How is THAT not special treatment?

Since when do the Amish drive cars?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

cadiver wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There is a lot of things the SHOULD be the case. Especially related to government. But it's NOT the case - so they are not breaking any laws related to the payment of those taxes.
Not yet. But thankfully, times are changing and they won't be able to hide behind their religion anymore.
They also do not have to have their kids in car seats while driving cars, at least not in KY. How is THAT not special treatment?
Do you have any source that they are exempt from child seats when they are driving a motor vehicle?

built after 1968.

-- Edited by cadiver on Monday 2nd of February 2015 06:17:32 PM

There are no laws that specifically exempt the Amish from anything. Laws can't cater specifically to certain people like that.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There is a lot of things the SHOULD be the case. Especially related to government. But it's NOT the case - so they are not breaking any laws related to the payment of those taxes.
Not yet. But thankfully, times are changing and they won't be able to hide behind their religion anymore.
They also do not have to have their kids in car seats while driving cars, at least not in KY. How is THAT not special treatment?
Since when do the Amish drive cars?

Huh? They don't have to use a car seat if they drive? I don't believe that.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

How would one strap an infant car seat to a buggy seat?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lily, she is saying that if they drive a CAR they don't have to follow the law and strap their child in a car seat. She is saying that they are EXEMPT from following that law if they are in a car.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lily, she is saying that if they drive a CAR they don't have to follow the law and strap their child in a car seat. She is saying that they are EXEMPT from following that law if they are in a car.

Ooohhhhh.....

I was picturing a car seat wrapped with yards and yards of rope.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
cadiver wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There is a lot of things the SHOULD be the case. Especially related to government. But it's NOT the case - so they are not breaking any laws related to the payment of those taxes.
Not yet. But thankfully, times are changing and they won't be able to hide behind their religion anymore.
They also do not have to have their kids in car seats while driving cars, at least not in KY. How is THAT not special treatment?
Do you have any source that they are exempt from child seats when they are driving a motor vehicle?

built after 1968.

-- Edited by cadiver on Monday 2nd of February 2015 06:17:32 PM
There are no laws that specifically exempt the Amish from anything. Laws can't cater specifically to certain people like that.

What about education? I thought they stopped schooling around 8th grade.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

lilyofcourse wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lily, she is saying that if they drive a CAR they don't have to follow the law and strap their child in a car seat. She is saying that they are EXEMPT from following that law if they are in a car.
Ooohhhhh.....
I was picturing a car seat wrapped with yards and yards of rope.

Well, maybe you could just skip the carseat and tie the kid into the wagon?

Ohfour · Hooker

Bonny22Pye wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
cadiver wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There is a lot of things the SHOULD be the case. Especially related to government. But it's NOT the case - so they are not breaking any laws related to the payment of those taxes.
Not yet. But thankfully, times are changing and they won't be able to hide behind their religion anymore.
They also do not have to have their kids in car seats while driving cars, at least not in KY. How is THAT not special treatment?
Do you have any source that they are exempt from child seats when they are driving a motor vehicle?

built after 1968.

-- Edited by cadiver on Monday 2nd of February 2015 06:17:32 PM
There are no laws that specifically exempt the Amish from anything. Laws can't cater specifically to certain people like that.
What about education? I thought they stopped schooling around 8th grade.

Yep! There you go!!!

Ohfour · Hooker

I just know what is happening in KY. They don't use car seats. I will ask about that, but I know for a fact that they do not strap in their kids when riding in cars...

Ohfour · Hooker

And they have to use cars on the state highway. If they venture of of the county, unless they walk, cars are the only way they can. Its not often, but it happens...

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Well, like I said, the other day a man here in my town in Texas was driving with his three kids under one, one, and two in the car unrestrained in the front seat. He was hit by another driver and all three kids ended up in NICU. This man was not Amish, was not using car seats, and did not get a ticket. So apparently he didn't have to follow the laws either. That's blatantly unfair. I'm stomping my foot now!

Ohfour · Hooker

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Well, like I said, the other day a man here in my town in Texas was driving with his three kids under one, one, and two in the car unrestrained in the front seat. He was hit by another driver and all three kids ended up in NICU. This man was not Amish, was not using car seats, and did not get a ticket. So apparently he didn't have to follow the laws either. That's blatantly unfair. I'm stomping my foot now!

Here, he would be in prison for a long long time, as he should be. I don't believe he didn't get charged with anything. Do you have a link? Cause I ain't buying it...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
cadiver wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There is a lot of things the SHOULD be the case. Especially related to government. But it's NOT the case - so they are not breaking any laws related to the payment of those taxes.
Not yet. But thankfully, times are changing and they won't be able to hide behind their religion anymore.
They also do not have to have their kids in car seats while driving cars, at least not in KY. How is THAT not special treatment?
Do you have any source that they are exempt from child seats when they are driving a motor vehicle?

built after 1968.

-- Edited by cadiver on Monday 2nd of February 2015 06:17:32 PM
There are no laws that specifically exempt the Amish from anything. Laws can't cater specifically to certain people like that.
What about education? I thought they stopped schooling around 8th grade.
Yep! There you go!!!

That is NOT specific to the Amish -it applies to ANYONE with bona-fide religious objections to public schooling.

Virginia's law -

The statute, §22.1-254 (B)(1) reads:

A school board shall excuse from attendance at school: any pupil who, together with his parents, by reason of bona fide religious training or belief is conscientiously opposed to attendance at school. For purposes of this subdivision, “bona fide religious training or belief” does not include essentially political, sociological or philosophical views or a merely personal moral code.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lily, she is saying that if they drive a CAR they don't have to follow the law and strap their child in a car seat. She is saying that they are EXEMPT from following that law if they are in a car.
Ooohhhhh.....
I was picturing a car seat wrapped with yards and yards of rope.

Well, maybe you could just skip the carseat and tie the kid into the wagon?

Rope. Duct tape. They bother have a purpose. evileye

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I will look for a link. He didn't get charged. My point is that it's not the Amish people's fault if the police don't enforce laws. Same thing goes for here. The police SHOULD have ticketed him. They did not.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Why don’t Amish church members own cars, but are willing to ride in them? The Amish believe that owning a car could lead to a tearing apart of the family, church, and community. People who own cars tend to be away from home too much, and cars make the community more scattered. Convenient transportation could also lead to easier temptation. Owning a fancy car could become a symbol of pride. Cars usually have a radio and require insurance, both of which are prohibited by the Amish church rules. However, the Amish have no objection to riding in a car whenever necessary, as they cannot easily go everywhere they need to go by horse and buggy. Therefore, many Amish hire non-Amish drivers to transport them to places outside of the 10-15 mile limit they would usually travel in their buggies.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
I just know what is happening in KY. They don't use car seats. I will ask about that, but I know for a fact that they do not strap in their kids when riding in cars...

And the Amish are the only ones that do that.......

Getting away with not following the law is not the same as being exempt from it. I speed probably every day and I haven't gotten a ticket in years. Does that mean I'm exempt from speed limits?

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
cadiver wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There is a lot of things the SHOULD be the case. Especially related to government. But it's NOT the case - so they are not breaking any laws related to the payment of those taxes.
Not yet. But thankfully, times are changing and they won't be able to hide behind their religion anymore.
They also do not have to have their kids in car seats while driving cars, at least not in KY. How is THAT not special treatment?
Do you have any source that they are exempt from child seats when they are driving a motor vehicle?

built after 1968.

-- Edited by cadiver on Monday 2nd of February 2015 06:17:32 PM
There are no laws that specifically exempt the Amish from anything. Laws can't cater specifically to certain people like that.
What about education? I thought they stopped schooling around 8th grade.
Yep! There you go!!!
That is NOT specific to the Amish -it applies to ANYONE with bona-fide religious objections to public schooling.
Virginia's law -
The statute, §22.1-254 (B)(1) reads:
A school board shall excuse from attendance at school: any pupil who, together with his parents, by reason of bona fide religious training or belief is conscientiously opposed to attendance at school. For purposes of this subdivision, “bona fide religious training or belief” does not include essentially political, sociological or philosophical views or a merely personal moral code.

What other sect takes advantage of this?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
cadiver wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There is a lot of things the SHOULD be the case. Especially related to government. But it's NOT the case - so they are not breaking any laws related to the payment of those taxes.
Not yet. But thankfully, times are changing and they won't be able to hide behind their religion anymore.
They also do not have to have their kids in car seats while driving cars, at least not in KY. How is THAT not special treatment?
Do you have any source that they are exempt from child seats when they are driving a motor vehicle?

built after 1968.

-- Edited by cadiver on Monday 2nd of February 2015 06:17:32 PM
There are no laws that specifically exempt the Amish from anything. Laws can't cater specifically to certain people like that.
What about education? I thought they stopped schooling around 8th grade.
Yep! There you go!!!
That is NOT specific to the Amish -it applies to ANYONE with bona-fide religious objections to public schooling.
Virginia's law -
The statute, §22.1-254 (B)(1) reads:
A school board shall excuse from attendance at school: any pupil who, together with his parents, by reason of bona fide religious training or belief is conscientiously opposed to attendance at school. For purposes of this subdivision, “bona fide religious training or belief” does not include essentially political, sociological or philosophical views or a merely personal moral code.
What other sect takes advantage of this?

What does that matter? Any parent COULD take advantage of it.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I just know what is happening in KY. They don't use car seats. I will ask about that, but I know for a fact that they do not strap in their kids when riding in cars...
And the Amish are the only ones that do that.......

Getting away with not following the law is not the same as being exempt from it. I speed probably every day and I haven't gotten a ticket in years. Does that mean I'm exempt from speed limits?

Only if you're Amish... biggrin

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

A lot of people don't follow the law. It's not confined to the Amish religion. A lot of people don't get into trouble for not following the law. It doesn't mean what they are doing is right.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Everyone can quit school at 16.

And I am willing to bet that just because they are not in what you might all "real school", they are constantly learning. Real, hands on skills. They might not know how to program a computer. But if there is a Zombie apocalypse, they are the ones I want on my team.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
A lot of people don't follow the law. It's not confined to the Amish religion. A lot of people don't get into trouble for not following the law. It doesn't mean what they are doing is right.

And I'm fairly certain that everyone on this board has broken some law and gotten away with it.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
A lot of people don't follow the law. It's not confined to the Amish religion. A lot of people don't get into trouble for not following the law. It doesn't mean what they are doing is right.
And I'm fairly certain that everyone on this board has broken some law and gotten away with it.

Speak for yourself missy. I own a car and pay taxes on it. I don't drink hard liquor. I have an approved sewage system. My kids are in the public school system. When they were little I buckled them into a car seat. I pay taxes. I'm perfect it seems. biggrin

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
cadiver wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There is a lot of things the SHOULD be the case. Especially related to government. But it's NOT the case - so they are not breaking any laws related to the payment of those taxes.
Not yet. But thankfully, times are changing and they won't be able to hide behind their religion anymore.
They also do not have to have their kids in car seats while driving cars, at least not in KY. How is THAT not special treatment?
Do you have any source that they are exempt from child seats when they are driving a motor vehicle?

built after 1968.

-- Edited by cadiver on Monday 2nd of February 2015 06:17:32 PM
There are no laws that specifically exempt the Amish from anything. Laws can't cater specifically to certain people like that.
What about education? I thought they stopped schooling around 8th grade.
Yep! There you go!!!
That is NOT specific to the Amish -it applies to ANYONE with bona-fide religious objections to public schooling.
Virginia's law -
The statute, §22.1-254 (B)(1) reads:
A school board shall excuse from attendance at school: any pupil who, together with his parents, by reason of bona fide religious training or belief is conscientiously opposed to attendance at school. For purposes of this subdivision, “bona fide religious training or belief” does not include essentially political, sociological or philosophical views or a merely personal moral code.
What other sect takes advantage of this?
What does that matter? Any parent COULD take advantage of it.

Bullschit. Would never happen except for the all holy Amish...

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
A lot of people don't follow the law. It's not confined to the Amish religion. A lot of people don't get into trouble for not following the law. It doesn't mean what they are doing is right.
And I'm fairly certain that everyone on this board has broken some law and gotten away with it.
Speak for yourself missy. I own a car and pay taxes on it. I don't drink hard liquor. I have an approved sewage system. My kids are in the public school system. When they were little I buckled them into a car seat. I pay taxes. I'm perfect it seems.

LOL!

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Seriously, why do you hate the Amish so much?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
A lot of people don't follow the law. It's not confined to the Amish religion. A lot of people don't get into trouble for not following the law. It doesn't mean what they are doing is right.
And I'm fairly certain that everyone on this board has broken some law and gotten away with it.
Speak for yourself missy. I own a car and pay taxes on it. I don't drink hard liquor. I have an approved sewage system. My kids are in the public school system. When they were little I buckled them into a car seat. I pay taxes. I'm perfect it seems.

Have you ever shat in nature?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Seriously, why do you hate the Amish so much?

They mess up her roads with their horrible, horrible buggies.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
A lot of people don't follow the law. It's not confined to the Amish religion. A lot of people don't get into trouble for not following the law. It doesn't mean what they are doing is right.
And I'm fairly certain that everyone on this board has broken some law and gotten away with it.
Speak for yourself missy. I own a car and pay taxes on it. I don't drink hard liquor. I have an approved sewage system. My kids are in the public school system. When they were little I buckled them into a car seat. I pay taxes. I'm perfect it seems.
Have you ever shat in nature?

Yes.

In Colorado.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

That was supposed to be spoilered.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
A lot of people don't follow the law. It's not confined to the Amish religion. A lot of people don't get into trouble for not following the law. It doesn't mean what they are doing is right.
And I'm fairly certain that everyone on this board has broken some law and gotten away with it.
Speak for yourself missy. I own a car and pay taxes on it. I don't drink hard liquor. I have an approved sewage system. My kids are in the public school system. When they were little I buckled them into a car seat. I pay taxes. I'm perfect it seems.
Have you ever shat in nature?
Yes.
In Colorado.

Then you are a nasty, horrible polluter of nature.

Ohfour · Hooker

I dislike the ones I have dealings with because they are a burden on my society and I'm out of pocket thousands of dollars because of them. And because they are not held to the same lawful standards the rest of the community is held to. They get a pass. Its time to stop it.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Ohfour wrote:
I dislike the ones I have dealings with because they are a burden on my society and I'm out of pocket thousands of dollars because of them. And because they are not held to the same lawful standards the rest of the community is held to. They get a pass. Its time to stop it.

Honestly? This is something that the KKK would have said...

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
A lot of people don't follow the law. It's not confined to the Amish religion. A lot of people don't get into trouble for not following the law. It doesn't mean what they are doing is right.
And I'm fairly certain that everyone on this board has broken some law and gotten away with it.
Speak for yourself missy. I own a car and pay taxes on it. I don't drink hard liquor. I have an approved sewage system. My kids are in the public school system. When they were little I buckled them into a car seat. I pay taxes. I'm perfect it seems.
Have you ever shat in nature?
Yes.
In Colorado.
Then you are a nasty, horrible polluter of nature.

Do bears chit in the woods? Why do they get a pass?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
I dislike the ones I have dealings with because they are a burden on my society and I'm out of pocket thousands of dollars because of them. And because they are not held to the same lawful standards the rest of the community is held to. They get a pass. Its time to stop it.

Bull. Your wheel tax is not thousands of dollars. And even if it was - you are driving a car on the roads. And YES, they are held to the same lawful standards - they just don't DRIVE CARS so the laws don't affect them.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I dislike the ones I have dealings with because they are a burden on my society and I'm out of pocket thousands of dollars because of them. And because they are not held to the same lawful standards the rest of the community is held to. They get a pass. Its time to stop it.
Honestly? This is something that the KKK would have said...

I've made that point already - she doesn't care.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
A lot of people don't follow the law. It's not confined to the Amish religion. A lot of people don't get into trouble for not following the law. It doesn't mean what they are doing is right.
And I'm fairly certain that everyone on this board has broken some law and gotten away with it.
Speak for yourself missy. I own a car and pay taxes on it. I don't drink hard liquor. I have an approved sewage system. My kids are in the public school system. When they were little I buckled them into a car seat. I pay taxes. I'm perfect it seems.
Have you ever shat in nature?
Yes.
In Colorado.
Then you are a nasty, horrible polluter of nature.
Do bears chit in the woods? Why do they get a pass?

They must be Amish.

Ohfour · Hooker

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I dislike the ones I have dealings with because they are a burden on my society and I'm out of pocket thousands of dollars because of them. And because they are not held to the same lawful standards the rest of the community is held to. They get a pass. Its time to stop it.
Honestly? This is something that the KKK would have said...

Bull...what did I say that even makes you think of the KKK? They cost me and my county thousands upon thousands of dollars a year. They need to help pay the tab...

Bonny22Pye · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
cadiver wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
There is a lot of things the SHOULD be the case. Especially related to government. But it's NOT the case - so they are not breaking any laws related to the payment of those taxes.
Not yet. But thankfully, times are changing and they won't be able to hide behind their religion anymore.
They also do not have to have their kids in car seats while driving cars, at least not in KY. How is THAT not special treatment?
Do you have any source that they are exempt from child seats when they are driving a motor vehicle?

built after 1968.

-- Edited by cadiver on Monday 2nd of February 2015 06:17:32 PM
There are no laws that specifically exempt the Amish from anything. Laws can't cater specifically to certain people like that.
What about education? I thought they stopped schooling around 8th grade.
Yep! There you go!!!
That is NOT specific to the Amish -it applies to ANYONE with bona-fide religious objections to public schooling.
Virginia's law -
The statute, §22.1-254 (B)(1) reads:
A school board shall excuse from attendance at school: any pupil who, together with his parents, by reason of bona fide religious training or belief is conscientiously opposed to attendance at school. For purposes of this subdivision, “bona fide religious training or belief” does not include essentially political, sociological or philosophical views or a merely personal moral code.

That's pretty lame.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I dislike the ones I have dealings with because they are a burden on my society and I'm out of pocket thousands of dollars because of them. And because they are not held to the same lawful standards the rest of the community is held to. They get a pass. Its time to stop it.
Bull. Your wheel tax is not thousands of dollars. And even if it was - you are driving a car on the roads. And YES, they are held to the same lawful standards - they just don't DRIVE CARS so the laws don't affect them.

No, but the damage they CAUSE has cost me thousands.