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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

RE: Do the Amish Drink Hard Liquor?

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
I think what is found on the internet or in official documents is how it is supposed to work, but as we all know, there are always many exceptions to any law or regulations. There are also multiple sectors of Amish; some more "orthodox" than others. I have experienced the less orthodox groups breaking Amish tradition. Not when it comes to healthcare, but indeed with taxes. Years ago, DS and I drove through PA, through Amish country. They did not collect sales tax on any good or service we bought. We even got a ride in one of the buggies, which is supposed to be a no-no for them.

Thank you!

I know the laws on what they are supposed to do and what they are not. I also know some of their own religious traditions. My frustration is when they do NOT adhere to the law and also do NOT uphold their religious tradition. If you don't have to follow the law because your religion makes you exempt, I am ok with that. But then follow your religion as well. Don't try and play both sides - and I met a lot of Amish who did exactly that. Not paying into the system, but taking the benefits isn't right. When your businesses are all cash, it's easier to do.

Vette · Owl drink to that!

Lawyerlady wrote:
VetteGirl wrote:
Okay, okay, I don't hate all Amish *eyeroll*

But as a whole, yes, they horribly abuse their animals and get away with it. It makes me sick.
So, as a whole - they all have puppy mills, and they all treat animals horribly?

Wow - that's quite the sweeping statement.

Let's see what I can sweep -

As a whole, football players are rapists.
As a whole, people who drink are alcoholics.
As a whole, people who use any public benefits are useless wastes to society.

That doesn't really work, now does it?

Actually I'm not just referring to puppy mills, Amish are notorious for mistreating their horses and livestock. And that would be most amish, yes, not just the huge amount that also run torture dog mills.

Ohfour · Hooker

The car seat thing bothers me too. They are allowed to use our roads, but do not have to use car seats or seat belts. If their buggy overturned and a child was killed, there would be no consequences. If I filpped my car and my unrestrained child was killed, I would be convicted of a myriad of charges...

-- Edited by Ohfour on Sunday 1st of February 2015 11:27:03 AM

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Mellow Momma wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
I think what is found on the internet or in official documents is how it is supposed to work, but as we all know, there are always many exceptions to any law or regulations. There are also multiple sectors of Amish; some more "orthodox" than others. I have experienced the less orthodox groups breaking Amish tradition. Not when it comes to healthcare, but indeed with taxes. Years ago, DS and I drove through PA, through Amish country. They did not collect sales tax on any good or service we bought. We even got a ride in one of the buggies, which is supposed to be a no-no for them.
Thank you!
I know the laws on what they are supposed to do and what they are not. I also know some of their own religious traditions. My frustration is when they do NOT adhere to the law and also do NOT uphold their religious tradition. If you don't have to follow the law because your religion makes you exempt, I am ok with that. But then follow your religion as well. Don't try and play both sides - and I met a lot of Amish who did exactly that. Not paying into the system, but taking the benefits isn't right. When your businesses are all cash, it's easier to do.

I don't know how many times you will have to say it...but

flan

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

flan327 wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
I think what is found on the internet or in official documents is how it is supposed to work, but as we all know, there are always many exceptions to any law or regulations. There are also multiple sectors of Amish; some more "orthodox" than others. I have experienced the less orthodox groups breaking Amish tradition. Not when it comes to healthcare, but indeed with taxes. Years ago, DS and I drove through PA, through Amish country. They did not collect sales tax on any good or service we bought. We even got a ride in one of the buggies, which is supposed to be a no-no for them.
Thank you!
I know the laws on what they are supposed to do and what they are not. I also know some of their own religious traditions. My frustration is when they do NOT adhere to the law and also do NOT uphold their religious tradition. If you don't have to follow the law because your religion makes you exempt, I am ok with that. But then follow your religion as well. Don't try and play both sides - and I met a lot of Amish who did exactly that. Not paying into the system, but taking the benefits isn't right. When your businesses are all cash, it's easier to do.
I don't know how many times you will have to say it...but
flan

Thank you flan. I was starting to wonder if I was posting in a foreign language. Lol

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

So these extremely private people shared their personal financial doings with you?

I see a lot of projecting on this thread. And I see a lot of hate. If this were any other group the outcry against what was being said would be audible over the internet.

I am sorry. I just don't believe most of what is being said about them. Yes, I am sure there are a few bad apples like in every group, but I don't believe it is a wide spread abuse that is going on.

I went church with an Amish family for a while. Well, they came to my church. Yes. They had a car. But it was a very basic car. They pretty much had to around here. But that was the only real modern convence they had. They had a radio for weather and news. Nothing else.

They daughter played the violin. She would play at church sometimes. They were simply lovely people. But very quiet and very reserved.

Which is why it surprised us all when they came into a Pentecostal church. We aint known for quiet in a church service.

Yes, my experience has been extremely limited. But it doesn't mean I believe that all Amish are like this family either.

I do think personal prejudice is in play here because of some perceived injustice that they get some special privilege and those horse and buggies and odd ways.

I am not going to hate an entire group because of this one or that one.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mellow Momma wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
I think what is found on the internet or in official documents is how it is supposed to work, but as we all know, there are always many exceptions to any law or regulations. There are also multiple sectors of Amish; some more "orthodox" than others. I have experienced the less orthodox groups breaking Amish tradition. Not when it comes to healthcare, but indeed with taxes. Years ago, DS and I drove through PA, through Amish country. They did not collect sales tax on any good or service we bought. We even got a ride in one of the buggies, which is supposed to be a no-no for them.
Thank you!
I know the laws on what they are supposed to do and what they are not. I also know some of their own religious traditions. My frustration is when they do NOT adhere to the law and also do NOT uphold their religious tradition. If you don't have to follow the law because your religion makes you exempt, I am ok with that. But then follow your religion as well. Don't try and play both sides - and I met a lot of Amish who did exactly that. Not paying into the system, but taking the benefits isn't right. When your businesses are all cash, it's easier to do.

You say that like the Amish are the only ones that do that. Every complaint you have can be applied to people across the board.

But, don't worry - I "get" it. Just like it "get" it when racists justify their prejudice by saying "but you don't live in an area with lots of blacks - they are lazy and horrible", and just like I "get" it when anti-semites justify their prejudices by saying "you don't have to work with them or compete with them - they are all greedy cheats".

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
Well, if it's on the Interwebz, it must be true!

flan

Amazing aint it? If it disputes what you are saying then it must be a lie but if it supports your argument then it is the God's truth.

Funny how that works.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
So these extremely private people shared their personal financial doings with you?

I see a lot of projecting on this thread. And I see a lot of hate. If this were any other group the outcry against what was being said would be audible over the internet.

I am sorry. I just don't believe most of what is being said about them. Yes, I am sure there are a few bad apples like in every group, but I don't believe it is a wide spread abuse that is going on.

I went church with an Amish family for a while. Well, they came to my church. Yes. They had a car. But it was a very basic car. They pretty much had to around here. But that was the only real modern convence they had. They had a radio for weather and news. Nothing else.

They daughter played the violin. She would play at church sometimes. They were simply lovely people. But very quiet and very reserved.

Which is why it surprised us all when they came into a Pentecostal church. We aint known for quiet in a church service.

Yes, my experience has been extremely limited. But it doesn't mean I believe that all Amish are like this family either.

I do think personal prejudice is in play here because of some perceived injustice that they get some special privilege and those horse and buggies and odd ways.

I am not going to hate an entire group because of this one or that one.

But it's NOT "an entire group."

LGS, ohfour and MM have said repeatedly that it's the Amish they have had contact with.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
So these extremely private people shared their personal financial doings with you?

I see a lot of projecting on this thread. And I see a lot of hate. If this were any other group the outcry against what was being said would be audible over the internet.

I am sorry. I just don't believe most of what is being said about them. Yes, I am sure there are a few bad apples like in every group, but I don't believe it is a wide spread abuse that is going on.

I went church with an Amish family for a while. Well, they came to my church. Yes. They had a car. But it was a very basic car. They pretty much had to around here. But that was the only real modern convence they had. They had a radio for weather and news. Nothing else.

They daughter played the violin. She would play at church sometimes. They were simply lovely people. But very quiet and very reserved.

Which is why it surprised us all when they came into a Pentecostal church. We aint known for quiet in a church service.

Yes, my experience has been extremely limited. But it doesn't mean I believe that all Amish are like this family either.

I do think personal prejudice is in play here because of some perceived injustice that they get some special privilege and those horse and buggies and odd ways.

I am not going to hate an entire group because of this one or that one.

But it's NOT "an entire group."
LGS, ohfour and MM have said repeatedly that it's the Amish they have had contact with.
flan

And then they go on to complain about them as a whole group, as well - they don't have to use car seats, they don't have to fight in the military, they have cash based business, etc. That's not just about the ones they come in contact with.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
I think what is found on the internet or in official documents is how it is supposed to work, but as we all know, there are always many exceptions to any law or regulations. There are also multiple sectors of Amish; some more "orthodox" than others. I have experienced the less orthodox groups breaking Amish tradition. Not when it comes to healthcare, but indeed with taxes. Years ago, DS and I drove through PA, through Amish country. They did not collect sales tax on any good or service we bought. We even got a ride in one of the buggies, which is supposed to be a no-no for them.
Thank you!
I know the laws on what they are supposed to do and what they are not. I also know some of their own religious traditions. My frustration is when they do NOT adhere to the law and also do NOT uphold their religious tradition. If you don't have to follow the law because your religion makes you exempt, I am ok with that. But then follow your religion as well. Don't try and play both sides - and I met a lot of Amish who did exactly that. Not paying into the system, but taking the benefits isn't right. When your businesses are all cash, it's easier to do.
You say that like the Amish are the only ones that do that. Every complaint you have can be applied to people across the board.

But, don't worry - I "get" it. Just like it "get" it when racists justify their prejudice by saying "but you don't live in an area with lots of blacks - they are lazy and horrible", and just like I "get" it when anti-semites justify their prejudices by saying "you don't have to work with them or compete with them - they are all greedy cheats".

The Amish are the only group among the ones you alluded to that ask for and recieve an exemption to the law based on their specific religious beliefs. All I am asking is that if they want to use the exemption, that they follow the beliefs that permit the exemption.

I have no idea why you insist on trying to paint it as if I "hate" all Amish. I don't think all Amish are any particular way at all. I have repeatedly and clearly said that I am speaking of the Amsih I have come in contact with. For those Amish, what I have said is true. That doesn't make it true for all Amish and I never ever said it did. I would appreciate it if you would quit saying I am painting them all with the same brush because I very very clearly am not.

And some blacks ARE lazy. It doesn't mean they all are. Some Jewish people ARE cheap. It doesn't mean they all are.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
So these extremely private people shared their personal financial doings with you?

I see a lot of projecting on this thread. And I see a lot of hate. If this were any other group the outcry against what was being said would be audible over the internet.

I am sorry. I just don't believe most of what is being said about them. Yes, I am sure there are a few bad apples like in every group, but I don't believe it is a wide spread abuse that is going on.

I went church with an Amish family for a while. Well, they came to my church. Yes. They had a car. But it was a very basic car. They pretty much had to around here. But that was the only real modern convence they had. They had a radio for weather and news. Nothing else.

They daughter played the violin. She would play at church sometimes. They were simply lovely people. But very quiet and very reserved.

Which is why it surprised us all when they came into a Pentecostal church. We aint known for quiet in a church service.

Yes, my experience has been extremely limited. But it doesn't mean I believe that all Amish are like this family either.

I do think personal prejudice is in play here because of some perceived injustice that they get some special privilege and those horse and buggies and odd ways.

I am not going to hate an entire group because of this one or that one.

But it's NOT "an entire group."
LGS, ohfour and MM have said repeatedly that it's the Amish they have had contact with.
flan
And then they go on to complain about them as a whole group, as well - they don't have to use car seats, they don't have to fight in the military, they have cash based business, etc. That's not just about the ones they come in contact with.

Read my whole sentence...I wrote "for the Amish I came in contact with". I did NOT say all Amish.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

You also said "not paying into the system but taking benefits is not right." You do realize that accounts for the majority of welfare recipients, right? How many of them have paid into the system?

None of your complaints only concern the Amish. And for every person that cheats the system, there are many that do not. But for some reason it's ok to bash the Amish as a group. Which is what you are doing, no matter how much you try to qualify it.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lawyerlady wrote:
You also said "not paying into the system but taking benefits is not right." You do realize that accounts for the majority of welfare recipients, right? How many of them have paid into the system?

None of your complaints only concern the Amish. And for every person that cheats the system, there are many that do not. But for some reason it's ok to bash the Amish as a group. Which is what you are doing, no matter how much you try to qualify it.

This thread isn't about all the people in the world. I don't like any of the others that don't pay in but take only. This thread isn't about them though.

And no matter how much you claim otherwise, I never ever in any post...said a negative thing about ALL Amish. I have no idea why you insist on trying to paint it otherwise. I am not qualifying anything. I am telling you how the people I have met behaved without once saying that they all behave that way. How is telling you what my experience is bashing? I am honestly not trying to argu for the sake of arguing...I and others here just have no idea where you are coming from here.

Ohfour · Hooker

No one but the Amish can get away with not using car seats. If anyone's else was caught, they would be ticketed, so yes, I am painting that with a broad brush. What does safety of a baby have to do with expressing their religion?

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lawyerlady wrote:
You also said "not paying into the system but taking benefits is not right." You do realize that accounts for the majority of welfare recipients, right? How many of them have paid into the system?

None of your complaints only concern the Amish. And for every person that cheats the system, there are many that do not. But for some reason it's ok to bash the Amish as a group. Which is what you are doing, no matter how much you try to qualify it.

Actually, the religous exemption part does concern only the Amish. Where I lived only the Amish used a religious exemption to avoid those particular laws, while not adhering to the religion that allows the exemption. So yes, what I said specifically does apply to the Amish only. And even if it didn't, this thread is not about all those other groups. It's about the one specific group.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Mellow Momma wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
You also said "not paying into the system but taking benefits is not right." You do realize that accounts for the majority of welfare recipients, right? How many of them have paid into the system?

None of your complaints only concern the Amish. And for every person that cheats the system, there are many that do not. But for some reason it's ok to bash the Amish as a group. Which is what you are doing, no matter how much you try to qualify it.

Actually, the religous exemption part does concern only the Amish. Where I lived only the Amish used a religious exemption to avoid those particular laws, while not adhering to the religion that allows the exemption. So yes, what I said specifically does apply to the Amish only. And even if it didn't, this thread is not about all those other groups. It's about the one specific group.

MM, you should change your tagline to...Amish hater!

evileye

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I am still questioning how you KNOW their finances and how they pay for things.

Also, how do you know they are not adhering to their beliefs?

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

lilyofcourse wrote:
I am still questioning how you KNOW their finances and how they pay for things.

Also, how do you know they are not adhering to their beliefs?

Because I rang them up and watched as they pulled out their credit cards and decided which ones to use. Credit is a HUGE no no. I also helped them more than once as they used their EBT cards at the cash register for the first time. Their belief system is predicated on taking care of each other and not relying on the government for assistance. They also do not believe in credit or electricity. When they use their iPhone i wonder where they plug it in. When they pay using credit cards or EBT, that goes against their beliefs. So, I know they are not adhering to their beliefs. I can't break it down much more simply than that.

It is also funny what people will tell you when you simply ask them a few questions.

-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Sunday 1st of February 2015 01:46:00 PM

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Mellow Momma wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I am still questioning how you KNOW their finances and how they pay for things.

Also, how do you know they are not adhering to their beliefs?

Because I rang them up and watched as they pulled out their credit cards and decided which ones to use. Credit is a HUGE no no. I also helped them more than once as they used their EBT cards at the cash register for the first time.
It is also funny what people will tell you when you simply ask them a few questions.

Especially if they are proud of "working" the system.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

Because I have WATCHED them pay for stuff with EBT cards. And I KNOW they don't pay wheel taxes because that is public knowledge.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

You are sure it was credit and not debit?

And do you know why they had the EBT? Were they leaving their community?

You really don't know all the facts.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

lilyofcourse wrote:
You are sure it was credit and not debit?

And do you know why they had the EBT? Were they leaving their community?

You really don't know all the facts.

Yes I am sure. I am very well versed in the nuances of credit vs debit. And the same people showed up week after week. They were not leaving their community. They were living in it and working the system to their advantage - as they explained to me when I was talking to them.

Ohfour · Hooker

These people own property right next to mine. No, they are not leaving. In facts, they are coming in in droves. That's why we are making it clear that they are not welcome.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Ok. There were a hand full taking advantage.

But you are still using broad terms speaking of all.

And if you want to know why we are seeing hate in your posts. Because that is how it is coming across.

voiceofreason · Guru

I'm so happy that some of you who crow about being good Christian people are comfortable stating your very non Christian behavior. Making them unwelcome? Really? Jesus is so proud of you right now. So proud! Good job hypocrite!

Ohfour · Hooker

Nope, talking about ALL the ones that I have dealt with. Never dealt with an honest one yet. ALL the ones I have dealt with are hypocrites. There may be some honest ones, but I have yet to come across them. And have yet to see one in a car seat...

Ohfour · Hooker

voiceofreason wrote:
I'm so happy that some of you who crow about being good Christian people are comfortable stating your very non Christian behavior. Making them unwelcome? Really? Jesus is so proud of you right now. So proud! Good job hypocrite!

When they cause me grief and money, hell no I'm not going to make them feel welcome. I have a right to feel safe in my own car. They disrupt that.

voiceofreason · Guru

For the record, I get so weary, really weary of defending people who use a social safety net. People who complain about that sound like petulant children arguing that life isn't fair. It isn't. Some folks are going to have it easier than you, some will have it harder than you. So what? In the end, when you look at your life, is it going to make a difference that any person used an ebt card? No. No it isn't.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

lilyofcourse wrote:
Ok. There were a hand full taking advantage.

But you are still using broad terms speaking of all.

And if you want to know why we are seeing hate in your posts. Because that is how it is coming across.

No. Show me where I said all. Find the post. In each post I stated "the ones I know" or "the ones I came In contact with". Each post. I don't know another way to say it.

And it was not a few. It was a large swath of the community that lived by us that acted this way. I knew multiple large families from work, another large group that cleaned homes, and year another large group that did construction and yet another few families from the doctor's office. Probably about 150-200 people in all. Not a hand full. And the ones I knew told me about how they, as a community, work the system.

But you, who weren't there and didn't meet them or speak to them, probably know the "facts" better than I do.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

voiceofreason wrote:
For the record, I get so weary, really weary of defending people who use a social safety net. People who complain about that sound like petulant children arguing that life isn't fair. It isn't. Some folks are going to have it easier than you, some will have it harder than you. So what? In the end, when you look at your life, is it going to make a difference that any person used an ebt card? No. No it isn't.

I would like to get a religious exemption from paying my taxes. And then I want to claim benefits. That's my problem. Don't use your religion as the reason you can't do something and then turn around and do that very thing!

Ohfour · Hooker

They also eschew child labor laws. Seeing that you are such a defender of children *eye roll* I would think you would be opposed to that.

voiceofreason · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
voiceofreason wrote:
I'm so happy that some of you who crow about being good Christian people are comfortable stating your very non Christian behavior. Making them unwelcome? Really? Jesus is so proud of you right now. So proud! Good job hypocrite!
When they cause me grief and money, hell no I'm not going to make them feel welcome. I have a right to feel safe in my own car. They disrupt that.

Oh. Uhm, no one is really safe in their car. Drunks, distracted drivers, inexperienced drivers, bicycalists, joggers, and of course those pesky amish who haven't evolved to your liking. They definitely are a challenge to your safety. Definitely.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
voiceofreason wrote:
I'm so happy that some of you who crow about being good Christian people are comfortable stating your very non Christian behavior. Making them unwelcome? Really? Jesus is so proud of you right now. So proud! Good job hypocrite!
When they cause me grief and money, hell no I'm not going to make them feel welcome. I have a right to feel safe in my own car. They disrupt that.

I suspect she would feel the same way about having a meth lab next door.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

voiceofreason wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
voiceofreason wrote:
I'm so happy that some of you who crow about being good Christian people are comfortable stating your very non Christian behavior. Making them unwelcome? Really? Jesus is so proud of you right now. So proud! Good job hypocrite!
When they cause me grief and money, hell no I'm not going to make them feel welcome. I have a right to feel safe in my own car. They disrupt that.
Oh. Uhm, no one is really safe in their car. Drunks, distracted drivers, inexperienced drivers, bicycalists, joggers, and of course those pesky amish who haven't evolved to your liking. They definitely are a challenge to your safety. Definitely.

Yep, hard to comprehend, huh. Not to mention the literally couple thousand dollars they have cost me. I guess I should just file a cliam with their insurance....oh wait...

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
voiceofreason wrote:
I'm so happy that some of you who crow about being good Christian people are comfortable stating your very non Christian behavior. Making them unwelcome? Really? Jesus is so proud of you right now. So proud! Good job hypocrite!
When they cause me grief and money, hell no I'm not going to make them feel welcome. I have a right to feel safe in my own car. They disrupt that.
I suspect she would feel the same way about having a meth lab next door.
flan

Hahahaha!!!! I'm sure she would bake them a cake....

voiceofreason · Guru

See, I'm just not all up in other peoples business. It isn't my circus. I swear, the **** that pisses people off is crazy!

Oh, and it was MY meth lab but my neighbors were cool about it. Until the explosion.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

VetteGirl wrote:
I hate the Amish, they are disgusting animal abusers.

And yet no one has a problem with this post. Not one person has called this post out as a bit unnecessary. I am gobsmacked.

It seems to me that some of you don't really have a problem with what is being said as much as who is saying it.

voiceofreason · Guru

How come I never ever know people are using an ebt card? I wanna Mrs.Kravtz them like a mofo and then come here and complain. I obviously need to pay more attention to other peoples business.

Ohfour · Hooker

As I said, when they cost me money, yes, it becomes my problem...

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

This thread makes me incredibly sad. There IS palpable hate here. Everything that has been said about the Amish can be said about Christians. EVERYTHING. I know so many Christian groups that are tax exempt. Many of them even use their tax exempt status to purchase things NOT intended for the church. My mom used to hold the tax exempt card for the church we went to growing up. She used it to get so many free things.

I don't know how the seat belt laws are policed in other states/areas but they are not policed here. Very recently a man was out driving his three children around in a CAR. He had a newborn, a one year old, and a two year old. They were all unrestrained on the front seat of the car. He was hit by another driver. All the children were seriously injured. He was not written a ticket even. This is not an unusual example around here.

People are people. Regardless of religion there are good and bad.

voiceofreason · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
VetteGirl wrote:
I hate the Amish, they are disgusting animal abusers.
And yet no one has a problem with this post. Not one person has called this post out as a bit unnecessary. I am gobsmacked.

It seems to me that some of you don't really have a problem with what is being said as much as who is saying it.

I think someone did address it, but for the record, I did say wtf? to myself about it.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Mellow Momma wrote:
VetteGirl wrote:
I hate the Amish, they are disgusting animal abusers.
And yet no one has a problem with this post. Not one person has called this post out as a bit unnecessary. I am gobsmacked.

It seems to me that some of you don't really have a problem with what is being said as much as who is saying it.

Are you new here? evileye

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Mellow Momma wrote:
VetteGirl wrote:
I hate the Amish, they are disgusting animal abusers.
And yet no one has a problem with this post. Not one person has called this post out as a bit unnecessary. I am gobsmacked.

It seems to me that some of you don't really have a problem with what is being said as much as who is saying it.

Some of us don't want to get kicked off the board either.

voiceofreason · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
This thread makes me incredibly sad. There IS palpable hate here. Everything that has been said about the Amish can be said about Christians. EVERYTHING. I know so many Christian groups that are tax exempt. Many of them even use their tax exempt status to purchase things NOT intended for the church. My mom used to hold the tax exempt card for the church we went to growing up. She used it to get so many free things.

I don't know how the seat belt laws are policed in other states/areas but they are not policed here. Very recently a man was out driving his three children around in a CAR. He had a newborn, a one year old, and a two year old. They were all unrestrained on the front seat of the car. He was hit by another driver. All the children were seriously injured. He was not written a ticket even. This is not an unusual example around here.

People are people. Regardless of religion there are good and bad.

This.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Oh, please. There is no "hate". There is DISGUST for people who work the system in entitled ways, be they Amish or anyone else. The Amish don't get a pass on being a human being.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Mellow Momma wrote:
VetteGirl wrote:
I hate the Amish, they are disgusting animal abusers.
And yet no one has a problem with this post. Not one person has called this post out as a bit unnecessary. I am gobsmacked.

It seems to me that some of you don't really have a problem with what is being said as much as who is saying it.

I will address it.

I don't know what kind of abuse is going on.

I don't think every single breeder is a puppy mill.

I think calling farming animals abused is ridiculous.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yes, people are people. There are sleazy people in every form everywhere. And, even among the Amish so sorry if it offends you to call it out.

voiceofreason · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I don't really care what they do. But, don't try to play up the Wholesome image when they are not.

This can be applied to many religions, and quite frankly, some folks here in our community. The Amish don't have the corner on this market.