TOTALLY GEEKED!

voiceofreason wrote:

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Actually there is hate as stated by a mod. She said she HATED the Amish.

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 Which Mod?

I guess I could look, but I'm feeling very lazy.

flan

voiceofreason wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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I don't really care what they do. But, don't try to play up the Wholesome image when they are not.

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 This can be applied to many religions, and quite frankly, some folks here in our community.  The Amish don't have the corner on this market.

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 Did I say somewhere that they did?  My thread was about observing Amish women buying whiskey when they pretend to not use alcohol, at least around here.  So, yeah, the next time I see the Church Elder go into the Porn shop, I will post that too .  But, that isn't what we are talking.  Yes, every thread, do I need to put a Qualifier.  Here, I will change my signature:

 

  "Whenever I say something, I do not mean ALL, or EVERY or Under Every Circumstance, or Always". 

Lawyerlady wrote:

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You also said "not paying into the system but taking benefits is not right." You do realize that accounts for the majority of welfare recipients, right? How many of them have paid into the system?

None of your complaints only concern the Amish. And for every person that cheats the system, there are many that do not. But for some reason it's ok to bash the Amish as a group. Which is what you are doing, no matter how much you try to qualify it.

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 But this a thread about Amish, of course it is the stories related to them.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Ok I was shopping at Dollar General and there was an Amish woman and her daughter.   Then they went in to the liquor store and bought a bottle of whiskey.  

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 And????  Obviously these particular people either drink it or are buying it as a gift.  Perhaps asking them would have been appropriate?

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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I am wondering if some of the Amish people you have come into contact with are actually Mennonites.
We sold a group of heifer and cows to a lovely Amish family, and my parents went and stayed with them for a week a couple of years later. They still had all the cows, and they looked good. I am not buying everything being sold on this thread.

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 Mennonites are very Orthodox from what I have experienced and so most would never work the system, it's not who they are.

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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You also said "not paying into the system but taking benefits is not right." You do realize that accounts for the majority of welfare recipients, right? How many of them have paid into the system?

None of your complaints only concern the Amish. And for every person that cheats the system, there are many that do not. But for some reason it's ok to bash the Amish as a group. Which is what you are doing, no matter how much you try to qualify it.

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 But this a thread about Amish, of course it is the stories related to them.

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 So what was the objective?  To rile folks up about the hypocritical amish?  Its a wtf? thread.  

Gaga, did you relly want an answer?  -If so, yes, Amish do drink hard liquor.  

Also, I'll remind the board that people who buy things pay a sales tax, therefore they pay taxes.  That whiskey?  Taxed.

VetteGirl wrote:

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Oh I knew someone was going to jump on what I said :p

And yes, I hate animal abusers no matter who they are.

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 It's a subject that you feel passionately about, and you have worked to change things.

flan

Amish lifestyle is dictated by the Ordnung (German, meaning: order), which differs slightly from community to community, and, within a community, from district to district. What is acceptable in one community may not be acceptable in another. No summary of Amish lifestyle and culture can be totally adequate, because there are few generalities that are true for all Amish. Groups may separate over matters such as the width of a hat-brim, the color of buggies, or various other issues. The use of tobacco (excluding cigarettes, which are considered "worldly")[10] and moderate use of alcohol[11][not in citation given] are generally permitted, particularly among older and more conservative groups.

Just chopped up fresh basil, my fingers smell awesome. (trying to lighten the mood here)

I guess we can't talk about same sex marriage anymore...or the Westboro Church...or abusive Catholic Priests...cause disagreeing with their actions is now considered hate speech. Good to know!

Ohfour wrote:

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I guess we can't talk about same sex marriage anymore...or the Westboro Church...or abusive Catholic Priests...cause disagreeing with their actions is now considered hate speech. Good to know!

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"Hate" speech is whatever someone else decides to holler when they hear an opinion they don't like. 

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

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Just chopped up fresh basil, my fingers smell awesome. (trying to lighten the mood here)

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 Nobody wants to sniff your fingers!

flan

Ohfour wrote:

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VoR, don't you lump all preachers in the same category? Did you not say you wanted ALL pastors convicted of tax evasion? But you give the Amish a pass. Telling...

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 Nope.  I didn't say all and I didn't say I gave them a pass.  But thanks for playing.  Didn't you say you were gonna find a different board?  Sad.  I'll miss you.

Well, this is my one thing that peeves me off. My passion so to speak. I don't care who you are. I really don't give a flip. I don't care if you're orange. I don't care what religion you are. I really don't. If you are cheating the system you should be thrown in jail. End of story. I don't give a damn who you are. If you can work and you are sitting on disability or welfare you need to get off. Period. I don't care who you believe in. We have put Muslim terrorists on welfare! Seriously, get a job people. How about that? Is that hateful enough?

From the same article (dated 8/16/2014):

Amish life is governed by the "Ordnung," a German word for order. The rules vary from community to community. According to the Young Center, "Most Amish groups forbid owning automobiles, tapping electricity from public utility lines, using self-propelled farm machinery, owning a television, radio, and computer, attending high school and college, joining the military, and initiating divorce." Photos are banned because they might cultivate personal vanity, which runs against the church's prohibition of "hochmut," a word meaning pride, arrogance and/or haughtiness.

According to the Young Center, the Amish do not consider technology evil in itself, but believe that it has the potential to bring about assimilation into the surrounding society. "Mass media technology in particular, they fear, would introduce foreign values into their culture," says an article on the Young Center's website. "By bringing greater mobility, cars would pull the community apart, eroding local ties. Horse-and-buggy transportation keeps the community anchored in its local geographical base." Some of the rules are seemingly contradictory — for instance, 12-volt car batteries are permitted by many communities while 120-volt electricity is not. In addition, most Amish are not permitted to drive motor vehicles but are allowed to hire outsiders — known as "English" — to drive them.

flan

This is the group quoted in the article:

The Amish are one of the fastest-growing population groups in America. According to the Young Center for Anabaptist and Pietist Studies at Elizabethtown College in Lancaster, Pa., their population has risen from about 5,000 in 1920 to almost 300,000 today. And much of that growth has occurred in the last three decades. The center estimates there were just 84,000 Amish in 1984, meaning the population has more than tripled during that time. The population explosion is due to a belief in large families, seen as a blessing from God. The large number of children also provide labor for their farming enterprises.

flan

The amish have evolved as have many religous orders.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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voiceofreason wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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VoR, don't you lump all preachers in the same category? Did you not say you wanted ALL pastors convicted of tax evasion? But you give the Amish a pass. Telling...

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 Nope.  I didn't say all and I didn't say I gave them a pass.  But thanks for playing.  Didn't you say you were gonna find a different board?  Sad.  I'll miss you.

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 And, neither did anyone here say ALL.  I said one lady and her daughter were toting whiskey.  And, then many of us have had PERSONAL experiences to relate about SOME of them bilking the system. 

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 Doesn't matter. We're "haters."

flan

flan327 wrote:

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From the same article (dated 8/16/2014):

Amish life is governed by the "Ordnung," a German word for order. The rules vary from community to community. According to the Young Center, "Most Amish groups forbid owning automobiles, tapping electricity from public utility lines, using self-propelled farm machinery, owning a television, radio, and computer, attending high school and college, joining the military, and initiating divorce." Photos are banned because they might cultivate personal vanity, which runs against the church's prohibition of "hochmut," a word meaning pride, arrogance and/or haughtiness.

According to the Young Center, the Amish do not consider technology evil in itself, but believe that it has the potential to bring about assimilation into the surrounding society. "Mass media technology in particular, they fear, would introduce foreign values into their culture," says an article on the Young Center's website. "By bringing greater mobility, cars would pull the community apart, eroding local ties. Horse-and-buggy transportation keeps the community anchored in its local geographical base." Some of the rules are seemingly contradictory — for instance, 12-volt car batteries are permitted by many communities while 120-volt electricity is not. In addition, most Amish are not permitted to drive motor vehicles but are allowed to hire outsiders — known as "English" — to drive them.

flan

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 When we went to the Amish community it was a real eye opener.  They have laptops.  And yes, some of them have electricity.  Most of them have solar powered homes.  They are working to try to make their lives more natural.  They do explain that their laptops aren't their lives but a means in which they have to order supplies and do business with the outside world.  Life has changed and even the Amish have had to change some to keep up with them.  They readily admitted they had one family in their community with all the "modern conveniences".  But their daughter was on all kinds of medical machines and needed insulin so they needed power to support this. 

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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 Oh, they are definitely Amish...maybe...

flan

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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From the same article (dated 8/16/2014):

Amish life is governed by the "Ordnung," a German word for order. The rules vary from community to community. According to the Young Center, "Most Amish groups forbid owning automobiles, tapping electricity from public utility lines, using self-propelled farm machinery, owning a television, radio, and computer, attending high school and college, joining the military, and initiating divorce." Photos are banned because they might cultivate personal vanity, which runs against the church's prohibition of "hochmut," a word meaning pride, arrogance and/or haughtiness.

According to the Young Center, the Amish do not consider technology evil in itself, but believe that it has the potential to bring about assimilation into the surrounding society. "Mass media technology in particular, they fear, would introduce foreign values into their culture," says an article on the Young Center's website. "By bringing greater mobility, cars would pull the community apart, eroding local ties. Horse-and-buggy transportation keeps the community anchored in its local geographical base." Some of the rules are seemingly contradictory — for instance, 12-volt car batteries are permitted by many communities while 120-volt electricity is not. In addition, most Amish are not permitted to drive motor vehicles but are allowed to hire outsiders — known as "English" — to drive them.

flan

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 When we went to the Amish community it was a real eye opener.  They have laptops.  And yes, some of them have electricity.  Most of them have solar powered homes.  They are working to try to make their lives more natural.  They do explain that their laptops aren't their lives but a means in which they have to order supplies and do business with the outside world.  Life has changed and even the Amish have had to change some to keep up with them.  They readily admitted they had one family in their community with all the "modern conveniences".  But their daughter was on all kinds of medical machines and needed insulin so they needed power to support this. 

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 I wonder how they are paying for her medical treatments? That stuffs not cheap...

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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We gave Muslim terrorists welfare. Hmmm, is that a good idea?

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 Better say yes, or you'd be a hater...

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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From the same article (dated 8/16/2014):

Amish life is governed by the "Ordnung," a German word for order. The rules vary from community to community. According to the Young Center, "Most Amish groups forbid owning automobiles, tapping electricity from public utility lines, using self-propelled farm machinery, owning a television, radio, and computer, attending high school and college, joining the military, and initiating divorce." Photos are banned because they might cultivate personal vanity, which runs against the church's prohibition of "hochmut," a word meaning pride, arrogance and/or haughtiness.

According to the Young Center, the Amish do not consider technology evil in itself, but believe that it has the potential to bring about assimilation into the surrounding society. "Mass media technology in particular, they fear, would introduce foreign values into their culture," says an article on the Young Center's website. "By bringing greater mobility, cars would pull the community apart, eroding local ties. Horse-and-buggy transportation keeps the community anchored in its local geographical base." Some of the rules are seemingly contradictory — for instance, 12-volt car batteries are permitted by many communities while 120-volt electricity is not. In addition, most Amish are not permitted to drive motor vehicles but are allowed to hire outsiders — known as "English" — to drive them.

flan

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 When we went to the Amish community it was a real eye opener.  They have laptops.  And yes, some of them have electricity.  Most of them have solar powered homes.  They are working to try to make their lives more natural.  They do explain that their laptops aren't their lives but a means in which they have to order supplies and do business with the outside world.  Life has changed and even the Amish have had to change some to keep up with them.  They readily admitted they had one family in their community with all the "modern conveniences".  But their daughter was on all kinds of medical machines and needed insulin so they needed power to support this. 

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 I wonder how they are paying for her medical treatments? That stuffs not cheap...

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 I didn't ask about health insurance.  DH and I did ask about finances though.  Yep, we're rude and nosy.  We were told that each family keeps what they need to survive and make ends meet.  The rest goes to the church and if someone has a need the church gives them help. 

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 This is true.  In many sects, The community pays for it.  

Many churches do help people in need. But don't you have insurance and aren't you kind of well off? I suppose though, if the poor get help, you should too. That's only fair. Gag.