Lawyerlady wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Does anyone care that I am slowly sliding out of caffeine withdrawal? I think I may live.

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 Now that is an accomplishment, but I'm not sure what it has to do with the Amish.  Don't you know you are supposed to stay on topic? 

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 I can find a way to tie it to this thread...

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 This should be good.

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 Well, I believe the Amish would also eschew caffeine in soda so that makes me closer to the Amish than any of you?

Who's picking up the horse poop? Oh yeah there are LAWS about cleaning up after your dog.

Of course.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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I'm trying to figure out what these buggy wheels are made of and what these horses are wearing on their feet.

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Well, I know that horses have special shoes for pavement. Regular horse shoes will slide on pavement.

The wheels are usually wood and they will sometimes have a rubber tread. To keep from sliding as well.

I have been thinking about this and the only thing I can think of them messing up any road is if the road is dirt.

The buggies are no where near as heavy as a car so the wear on the paved road should be minimal.

If any.  

-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Sunday 1st of February 2015 07:51:14 PM

Property and sales tax goes toward roads.

So if they own land and buy anything that is taxed, they are doing the same thing you are.

Of course I don't know where your road taxes come from. That is here.

Our roads are paid for from the purchase of gasoline.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Btw Amish farming is one of the worst polluters of the Chesapeake Bay watershed in Lancaster county.

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 Farming!  Damn, horrible farming.  I mean, nobody needs food. 

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Btw Amish farming is one of the worst polluters of the Chesapeake Bay watershed in Lancaster county.

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 Farming!  Damn, horrible farming.  I mean, nobody needs food. 

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And Lily, I hate those candy hearts.  Love your avatar though.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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I don't get how tire chains are comparable to buggy wheels and horses that have been around for centuries.

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 Seriously? tire chains have been outlawed for decades because of the damage they do to asphalt and cement.  I believe O4 was alluding to that but articulated it horribly.  :biggirin:

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 But buggy wheels are not.  And buggy wheels don't have tire chains.

 

And they are not illegal when needed.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Sunday 1st of February 2015 07:45:29 PM

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 They are illegal.  You stay off the road if the conditions are so bad that chains are needed.  You have lived in the south waaayyyy too long.

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 Try again.  They are only illegal in Hawaii. 

 

http://drivinglaws.aaa.com/laws/tire-chains/

 

They are permitted everywhere else at least when conditions require it.

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 On STATE roads. County roads have different laws...

Mellow Momma wrote:

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Our roads are paid for from the purchase of gasoline.

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 Well, problem solved!  Amish buy gasoline to power their generators. 

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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I don't get how tire chains are comparable to buggy wheels and horses that have been around for centuries.

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 Seriously? tire chains have been outlawed for decades because of the damage they do to asphalt and cement.  I believe O4 was alluding to that but articulated it horribly.  :biggirin:

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 But buggy wheels are not.  And buggy wheels don't have tire chains.

 

And they are not illegal when needed.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Sunday 1st of February 2015 07:45:29 PM

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 They are illegal.  You stay off the road if the conditions are so bad that chains are needed.  You have lived in the south waaayyyy too long.

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 Try again.  They are only illegal in Hawaii. 

 

http://drivinglaws.aaa.com/laws/tire-chains/

 

They are permitted everywhere else at least when conditions require it.

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 Umm no, they are illegal here except on mountainous roads. They are not legal on the regular highway, Missy Southerner!

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 Please provide a link to the law.

 

Most every state in the U.S. has laws pertaining to the use of tire chains or snow tires. These laws dictate when you can, should, and absolutely must use tire chains, as well as when it’s not permitted. Some states will post signage or declare a snow emergency to indicate that tire chains are needed. Other states leave it up to the driver, but indicate that chains may be used if conditions warrant. The Basics The following is a list of states that have a similar tire chain law, stating: Tire chains or snow tires may be used by any vehicle when required for safety due to snow, rain, or other slippery conditions.* Alabama Arizona Delaware Georgia Iowa Illinois Indiana Kansas Louisiana Maine Michigan Mississippi New Jersey New Mexico North Carolina North Dakota Oklahoma Rhode Island South Carolina South Dakota Texas West Virginia Wisconsin

*Some states have date restrictions for when you can/cannot use tire chains, as well as restrictions on the size of the chains and the type of vehicle that may use them. Check with your state’s transportation department for specifics.

Special Guidelines Other states have more specific laws regarding tire chain and snow tire use. The table below outlines each state’s specific guidelines. CA No specific dates for chains, but signs will be posted when chains are required CO Commercial vehicles traveling on certain roads must carry chains from Sept 1 to May 31 CT Studded tires & non-skid devices may be used from Nov 15-April 30 ID No specific restrictions, it is advised to avoid it unless necessary KY May not be used unless road is ice-covered or vehicle has an ice shoe at least 6 in wide. Limit on diameter & spacing MA Permitted from Nov 1-May 1. MD Required when snow emergency has been declared, not allowed on vehicles weighing more than 10,000 lbs MN Permitted when road conditions call for it. Studded pneumatic tires no allowed on state registered vehicles MT Permitted Oct 1-May 1, not mandatory unless notices are posted. Specific regulations for studded tires. NE Metal studs only permitted November 1-April 1. School buses, mail carrier vehicles, and emergency vehicles are permitted year round. NV Required on all vehicles over 10,000 lbs when requirements in effect. Studded tires permitted between Oct 1-April 30 NY Required when snow emergency has been declared. OH Only permitted between Nov 1-April 1, except for public safety or school bus OR Required on vehicles over 10,000 lbs when SNOW ZONE signs are posted. PA Permitted between Nov 1-April 15, restrictions on size of tires or studs TN Permitted Oct 1-April 1, specific regulations on percentage of wire or other material that comes in contact with the road UT Between Nov 1-March 31, if signs are posted, vehicles must have chains or snow tires. WA Signs marked "chains required" will be posted. On certain routes chains must be carried from Nov 1-Mar 31 WY Signs will be posted indicating when chain laws are in effect, must use adequate snow tires or chains No Tire Chain Laws Some states have no tire chain laws at all. These include: Washington, D.C. Florida Hawaii Missouri New Hampshire Vermont Before you venture out in snow, ice, or other dangerous conditions, make sure to educate yourself about the tire chain laws in your state. If you do need tire chains for your vehicle, visit our store to find the best chains for you. If you’re not sure which chains you need, call our knowledgeable staff at 1-866-437-5883 and we’d be happy to share our expert advice. Source: Trucking.org

Its OK if the Amish polute, don't ya know! They have a religious exemption! Health of 99.9999% of the country be damned!!!!!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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 Farming!  Damn, horrible farming.  I mean, nobody needs food. 

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 Polluting the watersupply is a serious problem but whatevs.  Even the EPAstepped in.

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 The Amish have cows.  It is only very recently that cow manure has been seen as a pollutant, but yes, it is all their fault that they have cows and now the EPA considers cow manure pollution.

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Its OK if the Amish polute, don't ya know! They have a religious exemption! Health of 99.9999% of the country be damned!!!!!

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 OH, I know!  Cow manure is much more serious than say.....toxic waste by factories.

Mellow Momma wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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Our roads are paid for from the purchase of gasoline.

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 Well, problem solved!  Amish buy gasoline to power their generators. 

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 What generators? They don't have electricity! They believe in battery power but not in electricity. That's what the reading I have done says. 

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 They believe in no reliance on others - many of them do use generators, because those are independently powered.  Many also use gas powered tractors.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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I don't get how tire chains are comparable to buggy wheels and horses that have been around for centuries.

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 Seriously? tire chains have been outlawed for decades because of the damage they do to asphalt and cement.  I believe O4 was alluding to that but articulated it horribly.  :biggirin:

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 But buggy wheels are not.  And buggy wheels don't have tire chains.

 

And they are not illegal when needed.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Sunday 1st of February 2015 07:45:29 PM

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 They are illegal.  You stay off the road if the conditions are so bad that chains are needed.  You have lived in the south waaayyyy too long.

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 Try again.  They are only illegal in Hawaii. 

 

http://drivinglaws.aaa.com/laws/tire-chains/

 

They are permitted everywhere else at least when conditions require it.

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 Umm no, they are illegal here except on mountainous roads. They are not legal on the regular highway, Missy Southerner!

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 Please provide a link to the law.

 

Most every state in the U.S. has laws pertaining to the use of tire chains or snow tires. These laws dictate when you can, should, and absolutely must use tire chains, as well as when it’s not permitted. Some states will post signage or declare a snow emergency to indicate that tire chains are needed. Other states leave it up to the driver, but indicate that chains may be used if conditions warrant. The Basics The following is a list of states that have a similar tire chain law, stating: Tire chains or snow tires may be used by any vehicle when required for safety due to snow, rain, or other slippery conditions.* Alabama Arizona Delaware Georgia Iowa Illinois Indiana Kansas Louisiana Maine Michigan Mississippi New Jersey New Mexico North Carolina North Dakota Oklahoma Rhode Island South Carolina South Dakota Texas West Virginia Wisconsin

*Some states have date restrictions for when you can/cannot use tire chains, as well as restrictions on the size of the chains and the type of vehicle that may use them. Check with your state’s transportation department for specifics.

Special Guidelines Other states have more specific laws regarding tire chain and snow tire use. The table below outlines each state’s specific guidelines. CA No specific dates for chains, but signs will be posted when chains are required CO Commercial vehicles traveling on certain roads must carry chains from Sept 1 to May 31 CT Studded tires & non-skid devices may be used from Nov 15-April 30 ID No specific restrictions, it is advised to avoid it unless necessary KY May not be used unless road is ice-covered or vehicle has an ice shoe at least 6 in wide. Limit on diameter & spacing MA Permitted from Nov 1-May 1. MD Required when snow emergency has been declared, not allowed on vehicles weighing more than 10,000 lbs MN Permitted when road conditions call for it. Studded pneumatic tires no allowed on state registered vehicles MT Permitted Oct 1-May 1, not mandatory unless notices are posted. Specific regulations for studded tires. NE Metal studs only permitted November 1-April 1. School buses, mail carrier vehicles, and emergency vehicles are permitted year round. NV Required on all vehicles over 10,000 lbs when requirements in effect. Studded tires permitted between Oct 1-April 30 NY Required when snow emergency has been declared. OH Only permitted between Nov 1-April 1, except for public safety or school bus OR Required on vehicles over 10,000 lbs when SNOW ZONE signs are posted. PA Permitted between Nov 1-April 15, restrictions on size of tires or studs TN Permitted Oct 1-April 1, specific regulations on percentage of wire or other material that comes in contact with the road UT Between Nov 1-March 31, if signs are posted, vehicles must have chains or snow tires. WA Signs marked "chains required" will be posted. On certain routes chains must be carried from Nov 1-Mar 31 WY Signs will be posted indicating when chain laws are in effect, must use adequate snow tires or chains No Tire Chain Laws Some states have no tire chain laws at all. These include: Washington, D.C. Florida Hawaii Missouri New Hampshire Vermont Before you venture out in snow, ice, or other dangerous conditions, make sure to educate yourself about the tire chain laws in your state. If you do need tire chains for your vehicle, visit our store to find the best chains for you. If you’re not sure which chains you need, call our knowledgeable staff at 1-866-437-5883 and we’d be happy to share our expert advice. Source: Trucking.org

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Look right at the bottom - NO TIRE CHAIN LAWS. New Hampshire is right there.


No Tire Chain Laws

Some states have no tire chain laws at all. These include:

Washington, D.C.
Florida
Hawaii
Missouri
New Hampshire
Vermont

Before you venture out in snow, ice, or other dangerous conditions, make sure to educate yourself about the tire chain laws in your state. If you do need tire chains for your vehicle, visit our store to find the best chains for you. If you’re not sure which chains you need, call our knowledgeable staff at 1-866-437-5883 and we’d be happy to share our expert advice.
Source: Trucking.org

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 But they drink coffee, which has more caffeine than soda.  Did you seriously give up coffee?

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Its OK if the Amish polute, don't ya know! They have a religious exemption! Health of 99.9999% of the country be damned!!!!!

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 OH, I know!  Cow manure is much more serious than say.....toxic waste by factories.

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 Actually it is given the proximity of farms to our river and lakes,  Factories are usually located inland and so their waste does not go directly into the environment.  It is filitered and regulated by the EPA.  NEXT!  I lived this and worked it.  Have you?

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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 But they drink coffee, which has more caffeine than soda.  Did you seriously give up coffee?

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 Nope.  I am down to one cup a day!  I totally went cold turkey on all soda and have knocked off the multiple coffee except on DH's and my treat day at Starbucks once every two weeks.  Then I have two cups a day.  I don't think I can give up my morning coffee.  It's more a ritual than a need.

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Its OK if the Amish polute, don't ya know! They have a religious exemption! Health of 99.9999% of the country be damned!!!!!

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 OH, I know!  Cow manure is much more serious than say.....toxic waste by factories.

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 Actually it is given the proximity of farms to our river and lakes,  Factories are usually located inland and so their waste does not go directly into the environment.  It is filitered and regulated by the EPA.  NEXT!  I lived this and worked it.  Have you?

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There is a running joke that a couple rivers around here have fish that glow because of the waste from the carpet mills.

 

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 I'm hoping it goes epic.  Do Amish people eat everything bagels?  Ranch dressing?  Put their carts back in the corral?

Lawyerlady wrote:

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State roads........

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 You can't ride a bicycle on state roads, but you can on county roads. You can't ride a scooter on state roads, but you can on county. You can have chains on state roads, but not county. 

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 Can't link on my phone. But if you have to have a link that proves what everyone knows, then you got some stuff to work on...

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Can't use tire chains here except on roads that the state doesn't clear. Don't care what "internet" law you dredge up.

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 Here's the entire related New Hampshire code - not a mention of tire chains.  I opened and read the ones in purple.  So, this is New Hampshire law. 

 

New Hampshire Statutes

Table of Contents

CHAPTER 266: EQUIPMENT OF VEHICLES

• Section 266:1 Inspection Authorized.
• Section 266:1-a State Police Duties Relative to Vehicle Inspection.
• Section 266:1-b Inspection of Trailers, Exemptions.
• Section 266:2 Fees.
• Section 266:3 Inspection of Spare Tires Prohibited.
• Section 266:4 Repair of Defective Equipment.
• Section 266:5 Penalty for Failing to Obey Inspection Requirements.
• Section 266:6 Driving of Uninspected Vehicles.
• Section 266:6-1 Driving of Uninspected Vehicles.
• Section 266:7 Inspection of School Buses.
• Section 266:8 Sales of Unsafe Vehicles.
• Section 266:8-a Specially Assembled Motor Vehicles.
• Section 266:9 Height of Motor Vehicle Body and Chassis.
• Section 266:10 Height.
• Section 266:11 Length.
• Section 266:11-a Length Exceptions.
• Section 266:11-b Triple Trailer Trucks Prohibited.
• Section 266:12 Width.
• Section 266:13 Width Exceptions.
• Section 266:13-a Snowplows; Exception.
• Section 266:13-b Appurtenances on Motor Homes, Trailer Coaches, and Recreation Vehicles.
• Section 266:13-c Exception for Vehicles Being Towed.
• Section 266:14 Overall Width Defined.
• Section 266:15 Modification of Width Limits.
• Section 266:16 Penalty for Exceeding Permitted Size.
• Section 266:17 Weighing of Vehicles.
• Section 266:18 Weight on Interstate and Defense Highway System.
• Section 266:18-a Weight on Non-Interstate and General Highway System.
• Section 266:18-b Weight on Non-Interstate and General Highway System for Vehicles With Additional Registration.
• Section 266:18-c General Weight Provisions.
• Section 266:18-d Additional Certification and Registration.
• Section 266:18-e Enforcement Expenditures.
• Section 266:18-f Assembly or Disassembly of Double Trailers.
• Section 266:19 Weight Exception for Combination Vehicle and Semi-trailer.
• Section 266:19-a Weight Exception.
• Section 266:20 Exception for Construction Equipment.
• Section 266:21 Exception for Winter Highway Maintenance.
• Section 266:21-a Exception for Vehicles Being Towed.
• Section 266:22 Permit Fees.
• Section 266:23 Modification of Weight Limits.
• Section 266:24 Special Permits.
• Section 266:24-a Truck Axle Length; Waiver.
• Section 266:24-b Regional Truck Permit Agreement Authorized.
• Section 266:24-c Manufactured Housing and Modular Buildings; State Liability Limited.
• Section 266:25 Penalty for Overload.
• Section 266:26 Penalty for Exceeding Registered Weight.
• Section 266:27 Brakes Required.
• Section 266:27-a Parking Brakes Required.
• Section 266:27-b Notification of Brake Shift Interlock and Key Position by Automobile Dealers.
• Section 266:28 Brake Performance.
• Section 266:29 Hydraulic Brake Fluid.
• Section 266:30 Trailer Brakes.
• Section 266:31 Front Lights.
• Section 266:31-a Multiple Beam Lighting Equipment.
• Section 266:32 Approval of Lighting and Safety Equipment.
• Section 266:33 Antique Vehicles Exemption.
• Section 266:34 Trailers Exemption.
• Section 266:35 Tractor Lamps.
• Section 266:36 Lighting Required.
• Section 266:37 Spot Lamps and Auxiliary Lamps.
• Section 266:38 Stop Lamps.
• Section 266:39 School Bus Stop Signals and Strobe Lights.
• Section 266:40 Clearance Lamps.
• Section 266:41 Back-up Lamps.
• Section 266:42 Directional Signals.
• Section 266:43 Reflectors.
• Section 266:44 Tail Lamp and Reflectors.
• Section 266:45 Additional Reflectors.
• Section 266:45-a Additional Lighting Equipment.
• Section 266:46 Lamp or Flag on Projecting Load.
• Section 266:46-a Slow Moving Vehicle Emblems.
• Section 266:47 Sale and Use of Regrooved Tires Prohibited.
• Section 266:48 Tire Requirements.
• Section 266:49 Visual Requirements.
• Section 266:50 Vehicle Tires.
• Section 266:51 Method of Measuring Tread Depth.
• Section 266:52 Tread Depth Requirements.
• Section 266:53 Farm Vehicle Exemptions.
• Section 266:54 Muffler, Horn and Lamps.
• Section 266:55 Mirrors.
• Section 266:56 Windshield Wipers and Defrosters.
• Section 266:57 Flaps; Guards.
• Section 266:58 Safety Glass Required.
• Section 266:58-a Tinted Glass.
• Section 266:59 Muffler; Prevention of Noise.
• Section 266:59-a Motorcycle Noise Levels.
• Section 266:59-b Emission Control Equipment.
• Section 266:59-c Diesel Emission Testing.
• Section 266:60 Standards for Odometers.
• Section 266:60-a Fire Extinguishers.
• Section 266:61 Distress Signals for Persons With Disabilities.
• Section 266:61-a Equipment Waiver for Disabled.
• Section 266:62 School Bus Design Rules.
• Section 266:62-a Motor Vehicles Manufactured 60 Years or Older.
• Section 266:63 Trailer Breakaway Safety Chains.
• Section 266:64 Tow Bars Required.
• Section 266:65 Wood-Sawing Equipment on Vehicles.
• Section 266:66 Binding Devices.
• Section 266:67 Binder Devices on Vehicles Carrying Wood Products Other Than Logs and Sawed Long Lumber.
• Section 266:68 Binder Ropes on Vehicles Carrying Baled Hay.
• Section 266:69 Binder Chains on Vehicles Carrying Junk Motor Vehicles.
• Section 266:70 Securing Construction Equipment on Vehicles.
• Section 266:71 Vehicles Transporting Pulpwood.
• Section 266:72 Spillage of Material.
• Section 266:72-a Motor Carriers; Equipment; Roadside Inspections.
• Section 266:73 Sirens.
• Section 266:74 Emergency Lights.
• Section 266:74-a Emergency Lights for Hospital Emergency Personnel.
• Section 266:75 Image Display Device.
• Section 266:76 Motorcycle With Sidecar.
• Section 266:77 Grips; Handlebars.
• Section 266:78 Footrests and Mirrors.
• Section 266:78-a Definitions.
• Section 266:78-b Blue Lights Restricted to Law Enforcement.
• Section 266:78-c Red Lights Restricted to Police, Fire, and Rescue Vehicles.
• Section 266:78-d Additional Lights Approved for Police, Fire, and Rescue Vehicles.
• Section 266:78-e Other Flashing Lamps Prohibited.
• Section 266:78-f Use of Lights by Law Enforcement.
• Section 266:78-g Use of Lights by Fire, Rescue, and Emergency Response Personnel.
• Section 266:78-h Amber Warning Lights Authorized for Certain Vehicles.
• Section 266:78-i Use of Amber Lights.
• Section 266:78-j Wing Lights on Snowplows.
• Section 266:78-k School Buses.
• Section 266:78-l Private Security Vehicles.
• Section 266:78-m Funeral Escort and Lead Vehicles.
• Section 266:78-n Parade Use.
• .htm">Section 266:7 Emergency and Warning Lights; Duties of Official Inspection Stations.
• Section 266:78-p Revocation of Privilege.
• Section 266:78-q Penalties.
• Section 266:79-84 Repealed.
• Section 266:85 Application of Chapter to Bicycles.
• Section 266:86 Headlamp Required at Night.
• Section 266:87 Pedal Reflectors and Reflective Equipment Required.
• Section 266:88 Brake Required.
• Section 266:89 Sirens Prohibited.
• Section 266:90-107 Repealed.
• Section 266:108 Wrecker Safety Chains.
• Section 266:109 Special Wrecker Lighting Required.
• Section 266:110 Wrecker Identification.
• Section 266:111 Mechanical Inspection.
• Section 266:112 Penalty.
• Section 266:113 Equipment Required of Street Rods.
• Section 266:114 Equipment Required for Neighborhood Electric Vehicles.
• Section 266:115 Equipment Required of Custom Vehicles.
• Section 266:116 Equipment Required for Low-Speed Utility Vehicles.