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Tinydancer · Guru

RE: Dear Abby: Do I Have to Quit Smoking in my Own House?

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Ohfour wrote:
I wonder why no one I ever grew up with was hospitalized? All of our parents smoked. Hmmm...

I think that a lot of the carcinogens were added in the late 60's. My grand parents all smoked and neither of my parents or their siblings suffered and ill health affects. If I remember correctly the theory is after the General Surgeon's report came out on cigarettes, the tobacco companies added more chemicals to make them more addictive. Also, many regs over the years, such as adding chemical to the paper so the cig goes out on it's own if not toked on after a certain amount of seconds, have increased the amount of chemicals a smoker takes in and then exhales.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

lilyofcourse wrote:
FNW wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
I wonder why no one I ever grew up with was hospitalized? All of our parents smoked. Hmmm...
Asthma and other lung problems are more common today than it was back in our day. Not sure why, but it just is.
Energy efficient homes.
Houses and other building are more air tight now. Houses of the past would "breathe". Now the air has no where to go so it continues to concentrate in our homes and in our lungs.

Ummm, no it is not because our homes are energy efficient or else only those who lived in new homes would be effected.

There was recently a study published saying that the more Tylenol given to a child before the age of 2, the higher the chance the child would have asthma. So this is why whenever someone says "oh just give the baby Tylenol if they are cranky" it steams me up.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Giving Tylenol to a baby once a month increases their chance of asthma by 540%.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Mellow Momma wrote:
Giving Tylenol to a baby once a month increases their chance of asthma by 540%.

Can you post a link, please.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

Mellow Momma wrote:
Giving Tylenol to a baby once a month increases their chance of asthma by 540%.

Tylenol is crap.

I won't take it myself, let alone, give it to one of my children.

Sorry, no way, no how.

I won't touch it.

Never gave it to my children, either.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I was curious so I googled it. Here's a WebMD link. There were several links that said it did cause asthma. Of course, all the medicine companies did their own studies and found it not to be true.

www.webmd.com/asthma/news/20080918/baby_acetaminophen_tied_to_asthma

Baby Acetaminophen Tied to Asthma
46% Increased Risk of Asthma With Baby Acetaminophen Use
By Daniel J. DeNoon
WebMD Health News
Reviewed by Louise Chang, MD
WebMD News Archive

Sept. 18, 2008 - Babies who get acetaminophen -- Tylenol is one brand -- have an increased risk of childhood asthma.

Acetaminophen, often given to treat fevers in the first year of life, also upped the risk of eczema and having a runny nose and itchy eyes.

The finding, from an international study of 205,487 children in 31 countries, does not prove acetaminophen causes asthma, eczema, or nose/eye problems.

But it raises important safety concerns about the most commonly used drug in the U.S.: the fever-reducing painkiller acetaminophen (also known as paracetamol), the main ingredient in Tylenol.

People should think twice about using acetaminophen, but nobody should stop taking it or giving it to children with high fevers, says study leader Richard Beasley, DSc, a professor at the Medical Research Institute of New Zealand.

"[Acetaminophen] use might be a risk factor for the development of asthma in childhood. This issue urgently requires randomized controlled trials," Beasley tells WebMD in an email interview. "In the meantime, [acetaminophen] remains the preferred drug for relief of pain and fever in childhood, and for use by both children and adults with asthma."

Beasley recommends that parents give children acetaminophen only when they have a fever of more than 101 degrees Fahrenheit.

The study shows:

A 46% increased risk of asthma at ages 6-7 years in kids who got acetaminophen for fever in their first year of life.
A 48% increased risk of runny nose and red, itchy eyes at ages 6-7 in kids who got acetaminophen for fever in their first year of life.
A 35% increased risk of eczema at ages 6-7 in kids who got acetaminophen for fever in their first year of life.
A threefold higher risk of current asthma symptoms in 6- to 7-year-olds who took acetaminophen at least once a month compared with those who did not take the drug.
22% of severe childhood asthma is linked to acetaminophen use during the first year of life.
38% of severe childhood asthma is linked to acetaminophen use later in childhood.

Does Acetaminophen Cause Asthma?

The Beasley study, in which parents are asked to recall their use of acetaminophen after the fact, cannot prove acetaminophen causes asthma.

Does Acetaminophen Cause Asthma? continued...

However, Beasley and colleagues note that there are several reasons to suspect this is so:

The link between acetaminophen and asthma is strong.
The more acetaminophen a child uses, the higher that child's risk of severe asthma.
Acetaminophen is linked to asthma in many different cultures with different medical practices.
Acetaminophen use came before asthma symptoms appeared.
Asthma prevalence shot up in the same years acetaminophen use became widespread.

In an editorial accompanying the study, Columbia University researcher R. Graham Barr, MD, DrPH, agrees with Beasley that while the study does not prove acetaminophen causes asthma, a clinical study is urgently needed.

"This is a major public health concern," Barr tells WebMD. "Given the widespread use of acetaminophen and ibuprofen among kids -- and asthma being the disease of greatest burden in kids -- this would seem to be an important topic for further study."

Barr notes that previous studies have linked acetaminophen, but not ibuprofen, to asthma and have linked use of acetaminophen during pregnancy to childhood asthma.

Barr's own research team previously found that high-level acetaminophen use raised women's risk of adult-onset asthma.

"There is still a lot of uncertainty about this," he says. "There might be something going on, but do we have a clear public health recommendation at this time? I don't think we do."

Childhood Lung Problems Increase Adult Asthma

Underscoring the importance of early-childhood events for later asthma is a study from the University of Arizona, Tucson.

Fernando D. Martinez, MD, director of the Arizona Respiratory Center at the University of Arizona, and colleagues followed 849 children from birth to age 22.

Those with adult asthma were:

7.4 times more likely to have had childhood asthma
14 times more likely to have had persistent wheezing as children
3.6 times more likely to have had a childhood mold allergy
Twice as likely to have had low airway function at age 6

More than 70% of the adults who had adult asthma were women.

"We conclude that asthma that apparently develops early in adult life affects mainly women and is commonly the clinical expression of latent changes of airway responses that are present in the preschool years," the researchers conclude.

The Beasley and Martinez studies, and Barr's editorial, appear in the Sept. 20 issue of The Lancet.
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© 2008 WebMD, LLC. All rights reserved.

NAOW · Vette's SS

OMG! I never heard that before.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

It was interesting. My kids are older. We never gave our kids Tylenol "just because". There are a bunch of studies that show a link between Tylenol and asthma. The medicine companies say otherwise. I am one of those that believes in medicating only if there is a clear cut need.

ed11563 · Guru

First, everyone should (should!) quit smoking.

No one's going to listen to me, but I wanted to give my opinion.

About the Tylenol and asthma question...

I have to look at things like this as a question of ...

Is it cause and effect?

Or is it the other way around?

Are people who are prone to be sick (and have asthma later in life) more likely to be given acetaminophen when they are children?

Most parents to NOT give this to healthy children, right?

Are people who are sick more often as children, more likely to be sick as adults?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

No ed. There are plenty of parents who give their kids Tylenol and/or cold medicine to make them sleepy. Or "just because". I know a lot of people who have a fussy baby and they just pump them full of drugs. That's why they have pulled so many of the children's cold medicines off the market.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

I swear by Ibuprofen. tylenol never did anything for me so I never stocked it with DD. It was always ibuprofen in appropriate measures.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Thanks NJN. I was headed into dinner and we cannot use our phones in the dining hall.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

You're welcome MM. I just googled it. But the first thing I look at is WHO did the study. If the study was done by someone with something to gain from the results I don't take it as stock info. Overall it says it is not, in itself, a CAUSE. All the studies say there is HUGE CORRELATION. And that they, the doctors, don't recommend using it unless your child has a fever over 101. Most doctors will also say that using Tylenol alone is not a good thing. If your child has a really high fever you should ALTERNATE between Tylenol and Motrin.

ETA: for my bad spelling!

-- Edited by Nobody Just Nobody on Wednesday 18th of February 2015 07:46:21 PM

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Oh, and MM, I was really curious so I just googled it! Curiosity and all... And since I was there I figured I might as well put the article out there.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Sorry, I couldn't get the link to copy on my iPad so I took a screen shot. Notice the very last line...taking Tylenol once per year puts you child at 70% greater risk for asthma.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Oh, and MM, I was really curious so I just googled it! Curiosity and all... And since I was there I figured I might as well put the article out there.

When this info came out, DD's doc shared it with me. DD had very serious sinus infections when she was a baby, fevers over 103 every other month, countless trips to the doc. Turns out she had allergies and we also had her adenoids removed. Once we controlled her exposure to the allergens, she was fine. Anyway, we went through countless bottles of the stuff when she was a baby. I once had a nurse in the ER scold me for only using the dosage suggested on the box and not doubling it "to reduce the fever and quit wasting our time" -- DD's fever was 104 that night and nothing would bring it down, she was 14 months old. When DD was about 8 we discovered she had asthma. When this study came out, her doc told me she thinks it's almost certainly the cause of DD's asthma.

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Mellow Momma wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Oh, and MM, I was really curious so I just googled it! Curiosity and all... And since I was there I figured I might as well put the article out there.
When this info came out, DD's doc shared it with me. DD had very serious sinus infections when she was a baby, fevers over 103 every other month, countless trips to the doc. Turns out she had allergies and we also had her adenoids removed. Once we controlled her exposure to the allergens, she was fine. Anyway, we went through countless bottles of the stuff when she was a baby. I once had a nurse in the ER scold me for only using the dosage suggested on the box and not doubling it "to reduce the fever and quit wasting our time" -- DD's fever was 104 that night and nothing would bring it down, she was 14 months old. When DD was about 8 we discovered she had asthma. When this study came out, her doc told me she thinks it's almost certainly the cause of DD's asthma.

I don't have "babies" anymore. I haven't been pregnant in god knows how long. Now when friends of mine tell me stuff their doctors say I admit thinking "Wow, it sure wasn't like that in MY day." But that's the thing. Things change. Constantly. It drives me nuts when people (general statement of people not anyone in particular) say, "Well, if it was good enough for me and/or my parents then it's good enough for my kids." Life changes. Medicine changes. Science changes. We are learning and growing each day. I'm not saying we should believe everything everyone says but there is some good research out there. Some of it bears listening to!

FNW · Guru

I agree, NJN. If I had a dime for every time my in-laws poo poo'd me when I was pregnant....

Interesting about the Tylenol. Our pediatrician used to tell us to give tylenol on vaccination days to help with the pain...now I wonder if that's the cause of their asthma. One more thing for me to feel guilty about I suppose.

On the other hand, they do seem to be outgrowing their asthma..

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Well, I don't claim to understand all the changes. And I'm not sure they even all make sense to me. But I don't judge people just because things are different now.

NAOW · Vette's SS

FNW wrote:
I agree, NJN. If I had a dime for every time my in-laws poo poo'd me when I was pregnant....

Interesting about the Tylenol. Our pediatrician used to tell us to give tylenol on vaccination days to help with the pain...now I wonder if that's the cause of their asthma. One more thing for me to feel guilty about I suppose.

On the other hand, they do seem to be outgrowing their asthma..

Same here with DD7. With Baby A they said not to because it might affect how the vaccination takes affect. Things are changing constantly.

I too, prefer the Motrin, but babies under 6 months can still only have Tylenol. So I've already given it once. This is one more thing to worry about.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Well, I don't claim to understand all the changes. And I'm not sure they even all make sense to me. But I don't judge people just because things are different now.

I only had 2 kids, but with each one the latest info on which way to put them to sleep (back or belly) was different. You go with whatever the intel is at the time.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

NAOW wrote:
FNW wrote:
I agree, NJN. If I had a dime for every time my in-laws poo poo'd me when I was pregnant....

Interesting about the Tylenol. Our pediatrician used to tell us to give tylenol on vaccination days to help with the pain...now I wonder if that's the cause of their asthma. One more thing for me to feel guilty about I suppose.

On the other hand, they do seem to be outgrowing their asthma..
Same here with DD7. With Baby A they said not to because it might affect how the vaccination takes affect. Things are changing constantly.
I too, prefer the Motrin, but babies under 6 months can still only have Tylenol. So I've already given it once. This is one more thing to worry about.

The doc told us to do the same with DD. And don't forget the nurse who scolded me for not doubling the dosage! I bet DD went through a whole bottle that week alone. Seriously.

One of the studies said this may explain the huge increase in boys with asthma, especially in poorer communities Those mothers are more likely to give their kids, especially boys, a little something to help them sleep/calm them down.

You do the best you can with the info you have. What else can we do?

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Mellow Momma wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Well, I don't claim to understand all the changes. And I'm not sure they even all make sense to me. But I don't judge people just because things are different now.
I only had 2 kids, but with each one the latest info on which way to put them to sleep (back or belly) was different. You go with whatever the intel is at the time.

Okay, this is one thing I can't get on board about. About every ten years they change this. They have done study after study after study and no conclusive results about whether back, belly, or side sleeping is best. Like you said it changes every so often and you just go with what you feel comfortable with. When my kids were babies you were ordered to put them on their side and roll a blanket on each side of them to hold them in place. It was silly and exhausting trying to keep them like that so I gave up. They're all still alive. I did cover my kids in baby blankets when they were little but I don't think I'd do that these days. I can understand kids getting tangled in them and suffocating. I also let my babies sleep in my bed when they were little. If I had it to do all over again there is NO WAY I would do it. I worked with a woman who smothered her baby doing this. I simply cannot tell you how much grief she suffered knowing she killed her own child.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

With my DD who had colic, they said to put to sleep on their back. It only took me one time walking in on her choking on her own spit up for me to chuck that advice. Contrary to what they said, she did NOT turn her head and just let it slip out. She was choking and couldn't breathe. So I did what I wanted.

With the other DD they told me which way to do it in the hospital and I followed it for the most part.

ed11563 · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
No ed. There are plenty of parents who give their kids Tylenol and/or cold medicine to make them sleepy. Or "just because". I know a lot of people who have a fussy baby and they just pump them full of drugs. That's why they have pulled so many of the children's cold medicines off the market.

They pulled the children's cold medications off the market because there were NO STUDIES DONE ON CHILDREN for these drugs, and recommended dosages were literally wild guesses.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

ed11563 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
No ed. There are plenty of parents who give their kids Tylenol and/or cold medicine to make them sleepy. Or "just because". I know a lot of people who have a fussy baby and they just pump them full of drugs. That's why they have pulled so many of the children's cold medicines off the market.
They pulled the children's cold medications off the market because there were NO STUDIES DONE ON CHILDREN for these drugs, and recommended dosages were literally wild guesses.

You seriously don't remember all the deaths from parents who OD'ed their kids on cough syrup? Never had a pediatrician tell me the doses were off. And the cough syrups were around when my kids were little. They went by weight like all the other meds do. In fact, all the dosages were similar for meds with similar ingredients. I have never heard of them being pulled due to the doses being guessed at. Only that parents were giving the kids way too much of it. ON PURPOSE.

msrock · Guru

Live and learn. This is a case of that. I am a smoker that doesn't smoke in the house. But what I despise is smoker haters jacked up on prescription meds lecturing me. It bothers me. It's really not that simple. But to get discriminated against, and hassled by a group of people that can't make it through a day without their meds... well I call bullsh!t! I have 3 kids and I used to smoke in the house and none of them have asthma or any type of breathing problem. No strep throat, no asthma, no lingering problems... The only thing I can come up with as far as the OP goes. Tell your daughter to get the Hell OUT!... if she doesn't like it or approve. You are an adult! Beggars don't get a say. It would be nice if mom catered to you and her grandchild, but... the whole house is fvcked up already with second hand smoke whether she's doing it or not anymore... so leave! Why would you want to expose your child to that???

msrock · Guru

Why did she come there in the first place when the whole house is "contaminated"?

voiceofreason · Guru

msrock wrote:
Live and learn. This is a case of that. I am a smoker that doesn't smoke in the house. But what I despise is smoker haters jacked up on prescription meds lecturing me. It bothers me. It's really not that simple. But to get discriminated against, and hassled by a group of people that can't make it through a day without their meds... well I call bullsh!t! I have 3 kids and I used to smoke in the house and none of them have asthma or any type of breathing problem. No strep throat, no asthma, no lingering problems... The only thing I can come up with as far as the OP goes. Tell your daughter to get the Hell OUT!... if she doesn't like it or approve. You are an adult! Beggars don't get a say. It would be nice if mom catered to you and her grandchild, but... the whole house is fvcked up already with second hand smoke whether she's doing it or not anymore... so leave! Why would you want to expose your child to that???

Agreed!

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

ed11563 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
No ed. There are plenty of parents who give their kids Tylenol and/or cold medicine to make them sleepy. Or "just because". I know a lot of people who have a fussy baby and they just pump them full of drugs. That's why they have pulled so many of the children's cold medicines off the market.
They pulled the children's cold medications off the market because there were NO STUDIES DONE ON CHILDREN for these drugs, and recommended dosages were literally wild guesses.

So all these companies were EXEMPT from FDA testing? I call bullscit on that. There is NO WAY these companies were allowed to put their CHILDREN'S meds on the market without testing. No freaking way. How did they get their drugs on the market and be able to bypass the FDA? And if, on the biggest fluke in the entire world, they did all these companies would have been immediately shut down and sued out of their corporate azzes. I'm not buying this story. Not one bit.

msrock · Guru

Oh... and you want to know what's really scary? All the meds your children are being prescribed. That's scary.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

msrock wrote:
Oh... and you want to know what's really scary? All the meds your children are being prescribed. That's scary.

Yep. People will put just about anything in their kids if a doctor says to.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/family-health/childrens-health/articles/2010/11/22/infant-cold-remedy-ban-helped-reduce-overdoses

Infant Cold Remedy Ban Helped Reduce Overdoses

When doctors lobbied the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to ban the sale of over-the-counter cold remedies for infants, the evidence was clear: Babies and toddlers were getting sick—even dying—from overdoses of cold remedies. And many pediatricians claimed these remedies didn't do a lick of good in relieving little ones' cold symptoms. Manufacturers, at the FDA's urging, pulled infant cold remedies from shelves in October 2008, and guess what? The number of children under age 2 who were admitted to the emergency room because of overdoses dropped by more than 50 percent, according to a new study in the journal Pediatrics.

[Tainted Tylenol: 'Oops, Sorry' Isn't Enough to Protect Children's Health]

Before the medications were taken off the market, a fair number of the overdoses had come as a result of parents unintentionally giving a child too much of the medicine. Infant formulations for cough and cold remedies were more concentrated than the versions for older children, so giving just a dropperful extra could be potentially harmful. What's more, many of the formulas contained multiple drugs, making it easier for parents to mistakenly give, say, a double-dose of acetaminophen if they didn't realize it was also contained in the cold remedy. Babies and toddlers who overdosed on cold-symptom relievers often developed heart problems, seizures, or even stopped breathing.

[Don’t Trust Childproof Packages]

The new study, conducted by Daniel Budnitz at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, indicates that two-thirds of the 1,250 overdoses, that occurred at 60 U.S. hospitals in those under age 2 from October 2008 to December 2009, involved toddlers who took the cough and cold medicine themselves. The rest of those who overdosed got the medicine from their caregivers despite the fact that children's cold remedies aren't supposed to be given to those under age 4, which manufacturers state on the label.

[8 Ways to Prevent Medication Errors in Kids]

The bottom line: Those 1,250 overdoses were entirely preventable. At this point, parents shouldn't be giving cold remedies to infants and toddlers, and they shouldn't leave them in a place where their youngsters can get hold of them. Experts recommend the following tips to keep children safe from harmful medication overdoses.

Recognize that no drug packaging is truly childproof. "Any medication left in the hands of a 3-year-old is not safe," Melissa Schaefer, a physician in the Division of Healthcare Quality Promotion at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told me a few years ago. Medications that are flavored and colored to look and taste just like candy are particularly enticing.
Keep medicines locked away from kids, even if the drugs have child-resistant packaging.
Never tell a child that medicine is candy.
Don't let children see you take medicine. They love to imitate grown-ups.

Keeping kids safe clearly includes keeping medicines out of their grasp. It's easy for parents to forget that when they're up in the middle of the night with a sick, coughing child. But as the latest data show, the dangers children face from cold remedies hasn't been banished.

msrock · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
msrock wrote:
Oh... and you want to know what's really scary? All the meds your children are being prescribed. That's scary.
Yep. People will put just about anything in their kids if a doctor says to.

But.. those are the same people b!tching about second and third hand smoke! But they have no problem ruining a liver. It's fascinating.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

There are too many combination products. Tylenol/acetominophen is practically in everything.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

msrock wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
msrock wrote:
Oh... and you want to know what's really scary? All the meds your children are being prescribed. That's scary.
Yep. People will put just about anything in their kids if a doctor says to.
But.. those are the same people b!tching about second and third hand smoke! But they have no problem ruining a liver. It's fascinating.

Well, I don't smoke. I have friends that smoke and they have always been super considerate of me not smoking. I have a slight case of asthma so cigarette smoke is a trigger. I have one friend that I knew for about a year before I realized she smoked. I was shocked. I don't even mind sitting outside with friends that smoke as long I can sit upwind from them. Ohfour will tell you that. I never once told her she shouldn't smoke. Nor would I. If you smoke you can't smoke in my house. But there's an ashtray on the picnic table outside if you want to go out there to smoke. I have no problem with that either.

I will say that when my youngest was born he had horrible asthma and stopped breathing three times the first year he was born. I was a real azz when my newborn couldn't breathe. But then, I wouldn't go into a restaurant with him if they allowed smoking. I didn't leave him with people that smoked. I was particular. He's outgrown it now so I'm fine.

This woman shouldn't have moved into her mothers house. She sounds like a mooch and this doesn't sound like the only issue she has with her mom.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
There are too many combination products. Tylenol/acetominophen is practically in everything.

And THAT is why the children's cold stuff was pulled. Parents were giving a little of this and a little of that and then some Tylenol to top it off. They had no idea they were overdosing their children.

msrock · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
msrock wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
msrock wrote:
Oh... and you want to know what's really scary? All the meds your children are being prescribed. That's scary.
Yep. People will put just about anything in their kids if a doctor says to.
But.. those are the same people b!tching about second and third hand smoke! But they have no problem ruining a liver. It's fascinating.
Well, I don't smoke. I have friends that smoke and they have always been super considerate of me not smoking. I have a slight case of asthma so cigarette smoke is a trigger. I have one friend that I knew for about a year before I realized she smoked. I was shocked. I don't even mind sitting outside with friends that smoke as long I can sit upwind from them. Ohfour will tell you that. I never once told her she shouldn't smoke. Nor would I. If you smoke you can't smoke in my house. But there's an ashtray on the picnic table outside if you want to go out there to smoke. I have no problem with that either.
I will say that when my youngest was born he had horrible asthma and stopped breathing three times the first year he was born. I was a real azz when my newborn couldn't breathe. But then, I wouldn't go into a restaurant with him if they allowed smoking. I didn't leave him with people that smoked. I was particular. He's outgrown it now so I'm fine.
This woman shouldn't have moved into her mothers house. She sounds like a mooch and this doesn't sound like the only issue she has with her mom.

I am one of the super considerate. My fiance doesn't smoke, my kids and his kids don't smoke. I get that.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Mellow Momma wrote:

Sorry, I couldn't get the link to copy on my iPad so I took a screen shot. Notice the very last line...taking Tylenol once per year puts you child at 70% greater risk for asthma.

I see this study was done in Spain, is that why we haven't heard of it?

DS's son's pediatrician has never said a word about not giving the baby Tylenol. You would think a pediatrician would know this stuff! Especially in Omaha!

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Czech, I would also bet your DS doesn't does his son with Tylenol "just because" or simply to make him sleep through the night better. Some parents do. I don't think it's wrong to give a truly sick child Tylenol. But to dose kids with it for anything and everything is wrong.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Czech, I would also bet your DS doesn't does his son with Tylenol "just because" or simply to make him sleep through the night better. Some parents do. I don't think it's wrong to give a truly sick child Tylenol. But to dose kids with it for anything and everything is wrong.

You are right, NJN. I don't think they have given him any medication yet. He hasn't had a cold or the flu, so there has been no need.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

You know, when our kids were babies, I did give them infant Tylenol or motrin for fevers. None of the kids have asthma.
There may be more risk factors then just Tylenol, IMHO.

WYSIWYG · Guru

"I will agree that the solution is simple, though. Don't move your child in to a house of smokers if you don't want them around smoke. Easy peasy." - DemoniaD

I like this answer. It's almost verbatim what I was thinking about posting, myself.

This is all on the daughter that wanted a free place to live. Maybe she should have considered that the residents of the house are smokers before she decided this was a good idea to move the grandchild in.

I'm not a smoker, but I would have given the moocher a deadline. Something like "I'll refrain from smoking inside temporarily while you two are here, but you two will find other accommodations within 2 months. After that, I'm going back to living in my house as I like."

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

just Czech wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Czech, I would also bet your DS doesn't does his son with Tylenol "just because" or simply to make him sleep through the night better. Some parents do. I don't think it's wrong to give a truly sick child Tylenol. But to dose kids with it for anything and everything is wrong.
You are right, NJN. I don't think they have given him any medication yet. He hasn't had a cold or the flu, so there has been no need.

I read the studies. ALL the studies said if your child is TRULY sick then give the meds. The advice was for a fever of greater than 101. It is far more dangerous for a child to run a high and prolonged fever than to take some Tylenol. What THESE studies are talking about are parents who dose their kids, even INFANTS, with Tylenol to make them sleep or for a runny nose or any of the other not really important things. Tylenol won't fix a runny nose. And it doesn't make an infant sleep better. It is unnecessary dosing of babies who need as little as possible to begin with. I doubt your son doses his baby with Tylenol just so he will sleep better. He doesn't strike me as that kind of parent.

voiceofreason · Guru

When my kids were babies we gave them whiskey and water. Teething? Rub gums with whiskey. Colic? Whiskey. Cold? Whiskey. Constipated? Whiskey. Mommy and daddy need sleep? Ha ha...got ya! No, we didn't whiskey them up for that.

Yeah, we would have our kids whisked away in todays world.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

voiceofreason wrote:
When my kids were babies we gave them whiskey and water. Teething? Rub gums with whiskey. Colic? Whiskey. Cold? Whiskey. Constipated? Whiskey. Mommy and daddy need sleep? Ha ha...got ya! No, we didn't whiskey them up for that.

Yeah, we would have our kids whisked away in todays world.

In a heartbeat!

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
just Czech wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Czech, I would also bet your DS doesn't does his son with Tylenol "just because" or simply to make him sleep through the night better. Some parents do. I don't think it's wrong to give a truly sick child Tylenol. But to dose kids with it for anything and everything is wrong.
You are right, NJN. I don't think they have given him any medication yet. He hasn't had a cold or the flu, so there has been no need.
I read the studies. ALL the studies said if your child is TRULY sick then give the meds. The advice was for a fever of greater than 101. It is far more dangerous for a child to run a high and prolonged fever than to take some Tylenol. What THESE studies are talking about are parents who dose their kids, even INFANTS, with Tylenol to make them sleep or for a runny nose or any of the other not really important things. Tylenol won't fix a runny nose. And it doesn't make an infant sleep better. It is unnecessary dosing of babies who need as little as possible to begin with. I doubt your son doses his baby with Tylenol just so he will sleep better. He doesn't strike me as that kind of parent.

DS and DGF are good parents. She even called me before taking Nyquil, to make sure it wouldn't get into her breast milk. Once won't hurt (with Nyquil), but no more then that is what I told her. She was so worried about it, she dumped the first pump six hours after taking the Nyquil. She was so sick and so afraid of hurting her son.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

And that's my point Czech. There are so many really truly good parents that dose responsibly. But then there are a whole lot of irresponsible people who dose their kids with anything and everything to make them go to sleep. And that was part of the problem with the kids cold medicines. There were so many and all of them contained different ingredients and people were overlapping ingredients and overdosing their kids. Some parents don't care!

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

just Czech wrote:
You know, when our kids were babies, I did give them infant Tylenol or motrin for fevers. None of the kids have asthma.
There may be more risk factors then just Tylenol, IMHO.

And again, no one I know has ever died in a car accident. Should I infer from that experience that wearing my seatbelt is useless ? Of course not. You take all the needed precautions to ensure you don't get hurt IF soemthing were to happen.