TOTALLY GEEKED!

Blankie wrote:

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How about Miss Manners' response?

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Here it is:

GENTLE READER: No. This is when you should express to the owner your hope that her lovely pooch does not get injured jumping up on people he does not know. Miss Manners does not allow you to conduct obedience school for dog owners, however much they need it. 

Sorry Miss Manners, you missed the mark.

Ignorant, stupid or careless dog owners need to be educated.

I'm a dog owner, and I think mine is cuter than cute. But a dog jumping on anyone, at any time,

is never acceptable. Since they live in the same building, this is just going to keep happening  until the LW

makes it very clear to the ignorant dog-owner that it's unacceptable.

The problem with "manners" is it allows the RUDIES of the world to go about unchallenged. We are supposed to fluff off their insults, rude behavior, etc. No. We need to confront wrong doing and say "Hey, that is wrong" instead of constantly making excuses for people who run roughshod over others.

The rudeness of society is escalating. And, pretty well mannered people are always expected to just stand by and take it up the arse. We are supposed to stand by and let bullies bully in the name of "manners". Enough is enough. It's time to call out jerks and stop letting people walk all over other people.

Most of the time, I just ignore rudeness. Because for the most part, it's everywhere and I don't like the feeling of having my panties in a wad all the time. But, I think there are definitely times when more people need to speak up!

FNW wrote:

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This is where I would kick the dog into next Tuesday.

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 Not the dog's fault that the owner doesn't train.  Kick the owner.  Hard.

We need to note that the dog WAS on a leash. That makes it worse IMHO. The owner could have corrected the dog and chose not to.

My dog is 6lbs and I don't let him jump on people or put his paws up on them unless the person is comfortable with it and is playing with him. This dog owner is clueless. If I were the OP, I would tell the owner off. If you can't keep your dog under control, you shouldn't have one.

A bill for the dry cleaning is a great idea. It is doubtful the dog owner would pay it, but it would send the message.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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My dogs don't jump on people but the first thing I will say to people if they approach us when we take them out or if they come to our house is, "Hang on, let me get them. I don't think they'll bite but let me put them up." When I read this I sort of saw this as the owner trying to reassure her that the dog wasn't dangerous. Not trying to be rude per se but trying to tell her the dog was okay with people. That being said the owner should have apologized. Something, anything, would have have been better than nothing. The owner could have said something like, "I'm SO sorry. He got away from me and I see he jumped on you. He's really friendly. I'm sorry if he caused you any trouble."

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Yes, I agree.

Jupiter is very people friendly. She's also quite big, and doesn't know her own strength.

For that reason, we use a 4 foot leash, that doesn't have any give. We don't want her to jump on anyone.

And, if someone wants to pet her, we ask her to sit, before they pet her.

It just seems like common sense, to me. 

voiceofreason wrote:

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FNW wrote:

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This is where I would kick the dog into next Tuesday.

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 I tried to let this pass.  Wrote a response, deleted it.  But, I'm gonna say it.

If anyone kicked my dog I would be arrested for assault.  I will feck someone up for kicking my dog.

 

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I understand how you feel, VoR.

The dog shouldn't be punished for the owner's stupidity.

She needs to keep her dog on a shorter leash, and teach it some basic manners.

But the dog doesn't deserve to be kicked, IMHO. 

Fort Worth Mom wrote:

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voiceofreason wrote:

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FNW wrote:

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This is where I would kick the dog into next Tuesday.

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 I tried to let this pass.  Wrote a response, deleted it.  But, I'm gonna say it.

If anyone kicked my dog I would be arrested for assault.  I will feck someone up for kicking my dog.

 

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I understand how you feel, VoR.

The dog shouldn't be punished for the owner's stupidity.

She needs to keep her dog on a shorter leash, and teach it some basic manners.

But the dog doesn't deserve to be kicked, IMHO. 

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 Is a half-second blast from an air horn acceptable?

 

Funny story... The other day one of those home alarm systems came to the door to try to sell us an alarm system. They were met with three barking, growling, snarling dogs. Um no, I don't need an alarm system tyvm.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Funny story... The other day one of those home alarm systems came to the door to try to sell us an alarm system. They were met with three barking, growling, snarling dogs. Um no, I don't need an alarm system tyvm.

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 Hahahahaha!!!! Let's hear your sales pitch now! 

Fort Worth Mom wrote:

 

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Ed, that might scare the dog, or the owner, half to death.

It might make a semi-bad situation, a whole lot worse. 

I wouldn't do it.

If you are really concerned, carry a tazer. If the dog, or person jumps you. Zap them.

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Unfortunately, it's illegal to possess a tazer in New York State.

Also, a tazer that would stun a human could kill a 20 pound dog.

Postal workers carry pepper spray. (I do too.)

But I think the air horn might shock the dog (might be a bit painful) and act to discourage it from approaching the LW in the future, where pepper spray could result in an emergency trip to the vet, with a vet bill that would exceed the dry cleaning bill.

 

Maybe a rolled up newspaper and an angry disposition would discourage the dog. Just whack the owner across the nose ...

It sounds like this happened once. Let's not go off the deep end and kill the dog because he jumped on someone once. Sheesh.

I don't want strange dogs jumping on me either but I can think of way worse things. I'd rather a dog jump on me than for me to have to step in dog crap with my good shoes on. That's way worse. Pisses me off when that happens.

Honeys_Mom wrote:

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voiceofreason wrote:

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My dog jumps when people come into his house. He's never jumped when on his leash. It would shock me if he did.

I know many people don't get this but he's my baby. I protect him and care for him. He's my little guy and I love him so much. If anyone felt it was ok to hit, kick, airhorn him, I would be inclined to protect him like you would a real child.

I can honestly say I would never threaten to hit or kick your child if they ran into me, slapped me or peed on me. I deserve the same respect.

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 This.  Again - the OWNER needs to be dealt with, not the dog.

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That's why I suggested using a rolled up newspaper to whack the owner across the nose. 

Lawyerlady wrote:

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My dog loves people and used to jump on them. As a puppy. Then we trained her not to jump on people, and she doesn't. It really wasn't that hard. She still greets people enthusiastically, but she does not jump on them. She dances around them, and sometimes nudges their hand to pet her.

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 Our dog is like this. We trained him diligently from 3 months on, and he still likes to jump on folks, particularly his favorite peeps. He's always on a leash outside, so we can control it there. When someone comes to the house, we put him on the leash so he can't jump on them at the door. He loves DD, and when she comes over with Little Man, we make her call us as she's driving up, so we can get the leash on him before she walks in the door with the baby.

I think I know why the first thing the owner said was he is not going to hurt you. It was so the LW wouldn't hurt the dog. But it should have been quickly followed with an apology.

The dog was on a leash.

The owner was there.

Yes, the dog needs to learn not to do that.

But it really isn't more than a minute in the day.

I have a thing that if someone isnt hurt, then get on with your day.

Say you are sorry it happened. Accept the apology. Move on.

If the apology didn't come, well, what exactly are you going to do? Cause a big scene? Is it really that important if no one got hurt?

I don't care what my dog is doing, unless she is actually hurting you, don't you dare kick her.
My dog is a more productive creature than some people I know, has been severely injured, and still does her job like a pro. You kick my dog, there will be h@ll to pay. Unless there is an actual threat, don't resort to violence.
Just clap and say off, people. Or put on your grown up pants and deal with it like an adult. Geez.

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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I don't care what my dog is doing, unless she is actually hurting you, don't you dare kick her.
My dog is a more productive creature than some people I know, has been severely injured, and still does her job like a pro. You kick my dog, there will be h@ll to pay. Unless there is an actual threat, don't resort to violence.
Just clap and say off, people. Or put on your grown up pants and deal with it like an adult. Geez.

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 Well people outside the family don't know the command the dog has been trained to obey.  With my dog you put your hand out, palm down, and firmly say down.  You apparently have a different command.  How is someone not in the know, know what your command is?

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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I don't care what my dog is doing, unless she is actually hurting you, don't you dare kick her.
My dog is a more productive creature than some people I know, has been severely injured, and still does her job like a pro. You kick my dog, there will be h@ll to pay. Unless there is an actual threat, don't resort to violence.
Just clap and say off, people. Or put on your grown up pants and deal with it like an adult. Geez.

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 It is not a stranger's responsibility to get a dog off him/herself. It is the dog owner's job, and only the dog owner's job, to PREVENT the dog from jumping on anyone.

The dog owner needs to put on their grown up pants and control their dog.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Most dogs respond to a firm NO or DOWN or STOP.

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 "Off" is the command I've heard most trainers use to get a dog off you.

And NJN, you just illustrated that different dog owners use different commands.

But many non-dog owners know absolutely nothing about dog commands. And it is not their job to know them if they don't own a dog.

Put the onus where it belongs, on the dog owner.

 

-- Edited by Blankie on Thursday 19th of February 2015 07:39:58 AM

Okay, let's put this in perspective. Is this a one time thing? The OP makes it sound like it happened once. If it was a one time thing then yes, the owner should have been more prepared or whatever the right word is. However, accidents happen. Once we had Layla at the vet and a guy opened the door, very big guy, with a wolf looking dog. It startled us all and Layla ran for it. DH caught her. She didn't jump on anyone but accidents happen.

However, if this is happening on a recurring basis something needs to be done. The owner of the dog needs to do something different.

I know no one likes to be jumped on by dogs. Even if you like dogs. But if it's a one time accident then let's all move on and not make a neighborhood war.