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Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

RE: Doctor refuses child of same-sex couple.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
And why is that?

She didn't do anything but be honest.

She is not doing anything wrong. She has referred them to another doctor.

She is doing the right thing. For all of them.

Can no one see that?
No, Lily, you're the only one smart enough to see that...
flan
If you cant see that this is better for all of them, then you have to be very myopic in your thinking.
I am NOT the only person saying that it's unfortunate that bigots exist.
flan

-- Edited by flan327 on Friday 20th of February 2015 05:35:28 PM

That is not what you are saying.

You have said this doctor should treat this child regardless of her feelings.

You are failing to see the bigger picture.

Get another doctor. It's that easy.

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Sounds like bigotry to me. Small hands. You are stating a preference aren't you to the exclusion of some?

-- Edited by Lady Gaga Snerd on Friday 20th of February 2015 05:45:38 PM

Yep!

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I haven't read the entire thread, but as for the OP - I can see no rational reason to refuse to treat this baby, religious or otherwise. It's flat out discrimination, and what makes it worse is that it is discriminating against a CHILD who has no control over his situation.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
I haven't read the entire thread, but as for the OP - I can see no rational reason to refuse to treat this baby, religious or otherwise. It's flat out discrimination, and what makes it worse is that it is discriminating against a CHILD who has no control over his situation.

And that's exactly what I said. Thanks, LL.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Is it bigotry for a woman to want a female gynecologist?
Well, I don't think so.
I wanted a doctor, who had actually had a baby.
Shame on me.

With DS1, I went to a fertility specialist. He was amazing.

My OB was a woman, but had never had kids.

flan

voiceofreason · Guru

I wonder if she prays about it before accepting ALL new patients?

If she simply declined without a reason, I would say these people were being drama queens if they brought up their feelings that sge was discriminating. But no. She invoked religion and she made it about their sexuality.

I don't think they want to force her to treat their daughter. I think they want to force her to face her bigotry. Or, if not bigotry, her inabiliy to see people instead of labels.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

voiceofreason wrote:
I wonder if she prays about it before accepting ALL new patients?

If she simply declined without a reason, I would say these people were being drama queens if they brought up their feelings that sge was discriminating. But no. She invoked religion and she made it about their sexuality.

I don't think they want to force her to treat their daughter. I think they want to force her to face her bigotry. Or, if not bigotry, her inabiliy to see people instead of labels.

flan

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

I can't believe people are defending this. Doctor needs to grow up, and do her job.
I bet they were humiliated. To show up at an appointment and be told the doctor wouldn't see them because they were gay? AFTER the initial appointment where she agreed to be their doctor? What, she couldn't at least call them herself ahead of time? She had to involve two other doctors and make a huge production out of it?
I hope her patients find better primary care givers.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I'm not defending her at all. I'm just saying if I knew this was her attitude I wouldn't use her anyway.

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

I'm not defending the way she executed her decision.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Oh, for heaven's sake NJN! Is anyone saying she should still be their doctor? No. Did the couple try and change her mind? No. Did they sue her and try and force her to be their doctor? NO.
That is not part of the discussion, and I have no idea why you keep harping on about it.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Oh, for heaven's sake NJN! Is anyone saying she should still be their doctor? No. Did the couple try and change her mind? No. Did they sue her and try and force her to be their doctor? NO.
That is not part of the discussion, and I have no idea why you keep harping on about it.

I'm "harping" on it? Excuse me for not agreeing with you. You said people are defending the doctor. I wanted to make it clear I wasn't defending the doctor.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

I know, it's just you say that about everything! You wouldn't want them to do whatever it is anyways. Okay, fine, whatever, but this was still blatant discrimination and the doctor made sure to make the whole experience as humiliating as possible. I wouldn't want a doctor who behaved like that to treat my child either, but i would still be humiliated, and you can be sure I would let as many people know about their behavior as possible.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
I know, it's just you say that about everything! You wouldn't want them to do whatever it is anyways. Okay, fine, whatever, but this was still blatant discrimination and the doctor made sure to make the whole experience as humiliating as possible. I wouldn't want a doctor who behaved like that to treat my child either, but i would still be humiliated, and you can be sure I would let as many people know about their behavior as possible.

And that's what I would too. But I've found word of mouth is much more productive than any lawsuit ever could be. Once you tell everyone what happened the doctor will have to deal with the fallout. But I'm a not a big lawsuit person myself. Yep, it's a right but it's just not my course of action. And yes, it's discrimination. But the thing is you can't force people to change. No matter what. It would be a great world if we could all strong arm everyone into doing the right thing all the time. Life just isn't like that. You can't MAKE someone like you. In reality I just wouldn't want to deal with that doctor. If that's the wrong attitude then I don't know what to tell you.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

You make certain choices in life and you have to deal with the repercussions of them.

Yes. I am defending this doctor.

I don't see how anyone would really have a problem with this.

She was honest. She is doing exactly what she should do as a doctor.

Making sure the child has the best care possible.

She could not provide that. So she set them up with someone who could.

Why is that bad?

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

It isn't. It could have been handled better.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

She should have handled it much better.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

There is no lawsuit! They didn't even make this story public until doctor sent them a letter NINE MONTHS LATER.
Seriously??

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I didn't say there was in this case. I am talking generally in cases like this a lawsuit follows. This one may not have had a lawsuit. Maybe they will later. Maybe they won't. I'm posting my opinion. What is the big deal? You're all bent out of shape because I'm posting my opinion. Did the doctor discriminate? Yes. But you can't force people to like you. That's all I'm saying. I don't understand what the big issue is over me saying I would handle it differently.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

As long as humans are alive there will be discrimination.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
As long as humans are alive there will be discrimination.

I had no idea...

flan

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Because you keep acting like people are trying to force the doctor to treat the women/like them/do their taxes I don't even know what. You say you wouldn't bring a lawsuit, well, that's great, this couple isn't either. I can't tell if you didn't read the article and are just making assumptions or what is going on because literally no one is contradicting the points you keep arguing.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

My POINT is that everyone keeps saying that this doctor has the responsibility to treat this child. People keep saying that regardless of the situation she should have accepted the baby as a patient. My POINT is that whether or not she SHOULD have would you WANT her to? I keep hearing people say she needs to treat the baby. Who in their right mind would even want that?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I'm really not sure what it is you expect me to say. I've already said the doctor was wrong and discriminated. What more do you want?

WYSIWYG · Guru

Doctors should be in the business of doctoring, just like bakers should be in the business of baking. People need to leave their prejudices and bigotry at home or in their respective houses of religion. If you serve the public then you serve ALL of the public, not just the ones you like.

Knowing this doctor's bigotry and prejudice, I wouldn't want her treating my hypothetical child either, so I understand what Nobody Just Nobody is saying, but that doesn't excuse the bigotry and prejudice (something that I don't think Nobody Just Nobody is trying to do).

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

WYSIWYG wrote:
Doctors should be in the business of doctoring, just like bakers should be in the business of baking. People need to leave their prejudices and bigotry at home or in their respective houses of religion. If you serve the public then you serve ALL of the public, not just the ones you like.

Knowing this doctor's bigotry and prejudice, I wouldn't want her treating my hypothetical child either, so I understand what Nobody Just Nobody is saying, but that doesn't excuse the bigotry and prejudice (something that I don't think Nobody Just Nobody is trying to do).

Thank you! That's exactly what I was trying to say.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Doctors refuse patients all the time in private practices. Apparently, most people are unaware that they do.
Doctors, in private practices, are not offering to do anything for anyone. They are only making themselves available to possibly provide a service.
You can quit a doctor or service at any time. So what's the difference? Perception. That is the only difference in this case, IMHO.
Do I think it's right? No, I don't. I have always been aware of doctors refusing to take patients, no excuse ever given, they just do.
If this doctor had kept her mouth shut, no one would have known her reasons and everyone could have gone on with their lives totally unaware.
JMHO.

FNW · Guru

While I think that the doctor's basis was wrong, I have to wonder if the parents are doing their child any favor by making a spectacle of her and making such a big deal out of it. Another doctor took over from the same practice, so the baby was not harmed nor denied medical treatment.

It's pretty standard in a practice for a patient to be treated by any one of the doctors within that practice. I have some that are my favorites, and prefer my children to be seen by them. I see nothing wrong with a doctor "picking and choosing" which patient to treat, since I pick and choose which doctor I wish to use. And I'm in the "would I want a doctor treating my child if they are biased against them" park. I mean really, see another doctor and move on.