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Bob Simon: A Tragic and Possibly Preventable Loss

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New York is a media kind of town, so it’s right and fitting that so much attention has been paid to the untimely, violent death of the veteran 60 Minutes correspondent, Bob Simon, killed Wednesday night when the black Lincoln Town Car in which he was riding plowed into the back of a car stopped at a light at Manhattan’s 30th Street and 12th Avenue, before crashing into a traffic divider and coming to rest. 
 
Much has been made of Simon’s fearlessness as a reporter -- to name a few examples, he was aboard one of the last helicopters out when Saigon fell; he also spent 40 days in an Iraqi prison after being captured on the ground while covering the 1991 Gulf War, all on his way to winning 23 Emmy awards. His fellow journalists have also remembered at length his other fine qualities -- as a journalist, father and person. And so should they salute the man: Simon’s loss will be keenly felt.
 

Bob Simon. (Getty Images)

Yet, there is another part of the story about this exemplary journalist’s life and its sudden, grisly end that has emerged and with all respect to the man and his memory, it is this aspect upon which we should also now focus: according to New York City police, Simon wasn’t wearing his seatbelt. Given that the driver of the ill-fated livery car survived this horrific incident, it is not unreasonable to suppose that Simon might, too, have lived had he only buckled up. Certainly, the odds of his survival would have improved dramatically. 
 

Lincoln Town Car Livery (Ford Photo)

So a key question to ask at a time like this is, what is it about getting in a taxi, limo or bus – or just getting into any back seat -- that makes so many people think the laws of physics have been suspended? Statistically the front passenger seat of a vehicle is in the most dangerous place in a collision like this. Yet as proven in the 1997 deaths of Princess Diana and her companion, Dodi Fayed, seat belts – or lack thereof -- change everything. The front-seat occupant of the bruiser S-Class Mercedes in which rear-seat passengers Diana and Dodi perished was the only person in the big Benz wearing a seatbelt, and the only one who lived. This was not a coincidence. As the saying used to go, seat belts save lives.

(Image: Quinn Dombrowski via flickr)

The passing of Diana, an international celebrity of the very first order, resulted in an outpouring of tears, tribute, speculation and condemnation (concerning the paparazzi who were chasing the couple,) the likes of which the world has rarely seen. Yet in that case, what could have been a major teaching moment was lost, drowned out by grief and the cacophonous side issues. And the lesson that was lost was this: It doesn’t matter how rich or royal you are, or how strong, heavy or fancy your car is, you never want to go flying when your vehicle’s motion is cut short violently.  Why people routinely assume that they are perfectly safe in the hands of a professional driver, much less in the care of a cabbie of unproven skill and sobriety, boggles the imagination. Yet I see it every day, this idea among back seat passengers that they don’t need to buckle up. As if getting thrown into the roof or the back of the front seat occupants’ heads is so much better than being thrown through a windscreen (which also might happen to untethered backseat passengers in a truly violent accident.) 
 

Not immune to wrecks. (Image: Chris Conroy via Flickr)

As someone whose life was saved many years ago in a mighty, high-speed car wreck by the set of three-point seatbelts I’d installed in my 1967 MGB only two weekends previous, I continue to always wear seat belts and especially when I’m riding in a taxi or airport shuttle. Accidents happen and I don’t want to die in one and I don’t want you to die in one, either. Come for a ride in the backseat of my car and I will make you belt up whether you like it or not. And I mean it when I say, Bob Simon was an extraordinary man and a great reporter who risked his life to help get the story out. But when he failed to wear his seat belts, he took a foolish, unnecessary risk for absolutely no benefit. Let us hope that one part of his legacy will be reminding people to strap in – always. 

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George_San_Jose21 days ago

Excellent post. I agree it is hard to explain why we'll go to great lengths to be safe in certain situations, yet think in other situations there is no need to be concerned at all about safety. I guess it is like what I call "the restaurant effect". While we'll buy organic produce and eat nothing but spinach sandwiches for weeks at a time at home, when we go to a restaurant we adopt a "who cares?" attitude and eat whatever we like. It's as if by def'n nothing you eat in a restaurant has any calories or harmful ingredients.

nyandmaine20 days ago

Excellent article... on all points. And excellent comments from George_San_Jose.
I too have the policy that anyone riding in my car must wear seat belts, and I will in the back seat of anything, be it private car or airport limo.

To add another example, oh how well I remember. It was March 7, 1969, while going to work on a day that had earlier snow. On an overpass near JFK airport, I learned the meaning of "bridge freezes before roadway." My poor Triumph slid into the left guardrail, then spun and went head first into the right one, ending up facing traffic. I walked out without a scratch. Seat belts save lives!

Dash Bored8 days ago

I would like to add a tragic story to emphasize both the value of wearing seatbelts and the foolish bravado of young adult males. In 1980, I was involved in a high speed rollover accident on the highway south of Tijuana (yes, that would be in Mexico). But my passenger and I should have had nothing to worry about, as we were driving in a 1973 Toyota Landcruiser equipped with all the of the off road accoutrements of the time INCLUDING a massive aftermarket roll cage. That roll cage was our safe haven, protecting us from being beaten and battered by terra firma we were tumbling across. Except that we were young men in our 20's and didn't need to wear seatbelts and were flung out of our protective cage at 60 miles per hour. Sadly, my dear friend and passenger did not survive the accident having hit the ground and broken his neck. I severely damaged my left leg and was transported to the jail ward of the Tijuana hospital where I spent the next 5 days.

The point is, after seeing the condition of my Landcruiser after rolling it 4-5 times, it was very apparent that had we used seatbelts to keep us in the vehicle, protected by the only slightly damaged roll cage, my friend would not have had his life end at age 23. Please wear seat belts.

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Mustangman19 days ago

Thank you for the article. If only one life is saved....
Seat belts always, for everyone in the car.

 

 



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My car has the rule that it will only move if everyone is buckled. Period. You can whine all you want. But the car only moves when everyone is buckled.

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I never used to use my seatblet. When I bought my car in 2007 I decided that I would wear my seatbelt every time I got in. Now it is an ingrained habit. I rarely ride in back seats but when I do I still buckle up.

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Way back in the late 70's, I was a secretary for a body shop/contract tow facility. Cars were brought to us straight from accident scenes. I often had to search for VIN numbers and registration papers. I won 't gross everyone out, but that was when seatbelts became a religion for me....

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why would you not do what you can to protect yourself and those you love ? besides the obvious risks of not wearing one at all, when you're not wearing one you've degraded the airbag system's ability to protect you by nearly half--the bags cannot protect your body properly if you're not in position and at impact, without a belt, you're going to be thrown around the vehicle's interior until you're brought to a stop

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I have always been of the opinion, that when your times up, it's up.
I do wear a seat belt all the time. But, I do know of individuals who have been cut out of their seatbelts dead. It is NOT 100% survival with a seatbelt on. We can not know that for any particular accident.

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Guess I am the only one that does not where them in taxis.

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I have always used a seat belt, even before they were required by law. Once I started driving that is. Growing up, we never used them except on the interstate or during certain weather.

I was against making it against the law to not wear them. I still am. I will follow the law of course. But I was against it being a law.

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I have always been of the opinion, that when your times up, it's up.
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I hate wearing my seatbelt. It did save me from going through the windshield after some pinhead rear-ended me at 40-45 mph but I'd rather not wear it.

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I have always been of the opinion, that when your times up, it's up.
I do wear a seat belt all the time. But, I do know of individuals who have been cut out of their seatbelts dead. It is NOT 100% survival with a seatbelt on. We can not know that for any particular accident.


 My friend C's husband is only alive today because he wasn't wearing his seatbelt. He rear-ended a flatbed. He was thrown into the passenger seat but would've been decapitated had he been wearing his seatbelt. I saw the pics of their car post-accident. Not pretty.



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I've seen them save lives and take lives.

Had a cousin die when her door came open in an accident and tangled in the belt and car crushed her. Yes she would have survived with minor injuries had she not been wearing her belt.



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I hate wearing mine. It's not comfortable. But I'm glad the kids have to wear theirs and it's a non-negotiable issue. I think I'd be driven batty if my kids bopped around the back seat, leaning over the front seat, fighting over who is too close, etc., like we did as kids.

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There are enough studies about this where the odds are way more in favor of saving your life than taking it. Everyone says "Oh my so and so would have lived if they weren't wearing their seatbelt but you don't hear the 100 of stories about people they know who lived because they WERE wearing their seatbelt. If you're not (general you) wearing your seatbelt you are way more likely to die in even a pretty minor accident.

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chef wrote:
just Czech wrote:

I have always been of the opinion, that when your times up, it's up.
I do wear a seat belt all the time. But, I do know of individuals who have been cut out of their seatbelts dead. It is NOT 100% survival with a seatbelt on. We can not know that for any particular accident.


 My friend C's husband is only alive today because he wasn't wearing his seatbelt. He rear-ended a flatbed. He was thrown into the passenger seat but would've been decapitated had he been wearing his seatbelt. I saw the pics of their car post-accident. Not pretty.


 You don't know that  Had he been wearing the seat belt he still could have been thrown to the side, almost lying down on the seat.  The argument that wearing a seatbelt was worse than not because "of he hadn't ejected" or "the thing that came through the windshield would have killed him" are ridiculous.  There may be anomalies but wearing a seat belt is clearly safer than not.



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There are enough studies about this where the odds are way more in favor of saving your life than taking it. Everyone says "Oh my so and so would have lived if they weren't wearing their seatbelt but you don't hear the 100 of stories about people they know who lived because they WERE wearing their seatbelt. If you're not (general you) wearing your seatbelt you are way more likely to die in even a pretty minor accident.


Without my seatbelt I would have been launched either against or through the passenger side window. 

Thanks to the side airbags and the seatbelt, I wound up with serious bruising, a little cut on the bridge of my nose (because the airbag hit and broke my glasses) and NO broken bones.

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My seatbelt is actually comfortable.

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A lady I know nearly lost her eye when her airbag deployed.

Her only injuries came from the airbag.

And this happens way more often than people know.

Still don't think wearing a seat belt should be a law.

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I despise wearing my seatbelt. It hurts my boobs and and it cuts into my neck. I wish it were comfortable but it isn't. I wear it when I remember - but if it weren't so damn uncomfortable I might remember more often. When I get out of the car I have a red mark on my neck where the seat belt rubs. I am sure in an accident the seat belt will decapitate me. But I wear it anyway.

I don't wear it in a taxi or limo. Probably should. But I don't.

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I despise wearing my seatbelt. It hurts my boobs and and it cuts into my neck. I wish it were comfortable but it isn't. I wear it when I remember - but if it weren't so damn uncomfortable I might remember more often. When I get out of the car I have a red mark on my neck where the seat belt rubs. I am sure in an accident the seat belt will decapitate me. But I wear it anyway.

I don't wear it in a taxi or limo. Probably should. But I don't.


 Just to make sure all the bases are covered ...

Most shoulder belt anchors for the front seat occupants, can be adjusted up or down where they attach to the post behind the front door. This can make a HUGE difference.

There are clips that can redirect the shoulder belt so it crosses the middle of your chest and your shoulder, but does NOT touch your neck.

This may sound a little strange, but ...

If you're a AAA member the nearest AAA office will have someone who helps parents properly install baby seats, and that person (or people) should be happy to help you solve this dilemma.

Your local fire department probably offers the same service, also for free.

 



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Statistics bear out the fact that you are much more likely to die NOT wearing your seat belt than wearing it. We all always wear ours. Front and back seat. Car doesn't move unless the seat belt is on.

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I have never disputed the statistics. We wear our seat belts. I know wearing a seatbelt is more likely to save your life in an accident.

However, I do not think government should make it a law. It is our individual choice. Or at least it should be.

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ed11563 wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:

I despise wearing my seatbelt. It hurts my boobs and and it cuts into my neck. I wish it were comfortable but it isn't. I wear it when I remember - but if it weren't so damn uncomfortable I might remember more often. When I get out of the car I have a red mark on my neck where the seat belt rubs. I am sure in an accident the seat belt will decapitate me. But I wear it anyway.

I don't wear it in a taxi or limo. Probably should. But I don't.


 Just to make sure all the bases are covered ...

Most shoulder belt anchors for the front seat occupants, can be adjusted up or down where they attach to the post behind the front door. This can make a HUGE difference.

There are clips that can redirect the shoulder belt so it crosses the middle of your chest and your shoulder, but does NOT touch your neck.

This may sound a little strange, but ...

If you're a AAA member the nearest AAA office will have someone who helps parents properly install baby seats, and that person (or people) should be happy to help you solve this dilemma.

Your local fire department probably offers the same service, also for free.

 


 I have checked the place where the belt connects to the car at the top. It doesn't move that far - not enough to help anyway. We don't have a AAA office nearby, but I will have to check it out. If it didnt cut into my neck I would be way more likely to wear it. I am short, 5'4", but my body is taller than my legs. So I need to sit closer to the pedals which puts the belt at my neck. Not sure if you can visualize my problem, but being short with a torso thats tall and short legs puts my seat further up, AND my neck in the line of fire so to speak. If my torso was also short, my neck wouldn't be close to the belt.

 

I will check out AAA, that's a great tip! Thanks!



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I always wear mine. It's not comfortable. It cuts across my neck, but I wear it anyway. Kids have to not only use seat belts, but wear them correctly, not behind their backs, or under their arms. I have to fix it for most of DD's friends.. which is why I am very particular about whose car she rides in, because if the parent lets their own kids wear it wrong I will not trust them to make sure she is buckled up right.

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Mellow Momma wrote:
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Mellow Momma wrote:

I despise wearing my seatbelt. It hurts my boobs and and it cuts into my neck. I wish it were comfortable but it isn't. I wear it when I remember - but if it weren't so damn uncomfortable I might remember more often. When I get out of the car I have a red mark on my neck where the seat belt rubs. I am sure in an accident the seat belt will decapitate me. But I wear it anyway.

I don't wear it in a taxi or limo. Probably should. But I don't.


 Just to make sure all the bases are covered ...

Most shoulder belt anchors for the front seat occupants, can be adjusted up or down where they attach to the post behind the front door. This can make a HUGE difference.

There are clips that can redirect the shoulder belt so it crosses the middle of your chest and your shoulder, but does NOT touch your neck.

This may sound a little strange, but ...

If you're a AAA member the nearest AAA office will have someone who helps parents properly install baby seats, and that person (or people) should be happy to help you solve this dilemma.

Your local fire department probably offers the same service, also for free.

 


 I have checked the place where the belt connects to the car at the top. It doesn't move that far - not enough to help anyway. We don't have a AAA office nearby, but I will have to check it out. If it didnt cut into my neck I would be way more likely to wear it. I am short, 5'4", but my body is taller than my legs. So I need to sit closer to the pedals which puts the belt at my neck. Not sure if you can visualize my problem, but being short with a torso thats tall and short legs puts my seat further up, AND my neck in the line of fire so to speak. If my torso was also short, my neck wouldn't be close to the belt.

 

I will check out AAA, that's a great tip! Thanks!


Spouse is 5' 0" tall, and 200 pounds. She pulls the seat almost all the way forward so she can reach the pedals. 

In the Camry, the side attachment can be moved up or down. I have them all set as low as they will go.

Everyone's lap belt has to cross at the top of the thighs, at the very bottom of the belly, so the seatbelt won't cut the person in half in a bad collision.

In some cars, I've had to get seat belt clips from an auto supply store or from a catalog, to adjust the placement of the shoulder belt, so it wouldn't touch her neck. That's  not necessary in the Camry.

I'm more worried about the air bag in the steering wheel, since she sits only a couple of inches from the wheel.

 



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