TOTALLY GEEKED!

huskerbb · Guru

Alright, so I'm pretty sick and tired of this.

TrudyML · Guru

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Well. Alrighty then.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Do you feel better? I feel that was building inside you. I can't find fault with anything you said.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Do you feel better? I feel that was building inside you. I can't find fault with anything you said.

It's rare that anyone can.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Do you feel better? I feel that was building inside you. I can't find fault with anything you said.
It's rare that anyone can.

Pffffffttttttt.

huskerbb · Guru

People spend so much time shoving God aside--then they wonder why his people "aren't there" (in their view) when they want their money.

sweet tooth · Member

huskerbb wrote:
Whenever anyone dares to criticize our bloated welfare system--whether it is me, some politician, a pundit on fox news, or whomever--someone on the left invariably brings up crap like "well, where is your Christian compassion", or, even worse, the sickening phrase "what would Jesus do" (probably split up 5 loaves of bread and two fish and feed everyone).

Well, they can pretty much shove it. I'll be a LOT more compassionate when they let the 10 commandments hang in the local courthouse, when they leave the Pledge of Allegiance alone and don't have a fit when kids recite the "under God" part of it, when they shut their pie-holes about the nativity scene in the city park, when they don't freak out when the Lord's Prayer is recited at graduation, when the ACLU isn't all up in arms about a stirring rendition of "The Little Drummer Boy" by the high school band, and when people are allowed to practice their religious beliefs without fear of a lawsuit.

It's beyond absurd to have such people squawking about what I should do according to my religion when most of them want to get rid of my religion, entirely, or at least make me practice it in a few confined places where no one else can see it--and they only invoke it when they want money for a bloated governmental system that has NOTHING to do with Christian compassion, anyway.

I couldn't agree more.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Time to stand up and say No to people who wont help themselves.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

Welfare needs to be reformed. It should be a helping hand up, not a hand out and they should deal with the people that abuse the system.

The sad thing is there are tons of programs for people who need help if they ask for them and search for them.

Vette · Owl drink to that!

Ita husker

huskerbb · Guru

The whole system is abusive.

There are very few checks and balances. Many people on food stamps have plenty of money to buy beer, have cable TV, smart phones, etc... No one is checking up on these people.

The reason fraud happens is because it's easy to get away with--but beyond that, it's not even, necessarily, fraud. Our system is simply too generous.

Most able bodied people of a sound mind who are truly hungry will pretty quickly find a job--but not that many are truly hungry among that set of the population.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I know a woman on SSID for bipolar issues. She has nothing wrong with her other than that. Could she work? Absolutely. Why doesn't she? Because she can't pass a drug test. And she finds it offensive that our government officials are trying to get drug tests for welfare people put in place. Because she'd lose her food stamps if she had to pass a drug test. She's on a bunch of programs.

My ex DH is on SSID and food stamps too. He claims bipolar disorder and knee problems that keep him from working. He owns a lawn care service that operates under the table. He also trims trees and hauls off tree limbs and trunks. But he claims he can't work. Every time his review for SSID comes in he checks into the psych ward for a few days claiming he feels his symptoms returning. I was married to the man for seven years. He was a scam artist during our whole marriage. I see not much has changed.

huskerbb · Guru

Or the "single" mom who actually has a live-in boyfriend and a good amount of household income but they don't get married or she'd lose her benefits, which she really shouldn't be entitled to, anyway.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Husker, I have to ask, what was the latest thing you witnessed compelling you to start this thread? I do agree with you BTW.

huskerbb · Guru

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Husker, I have to ask, what was the latest thing you witnessed compelling you to start this thread? I do agree with you BTW.

I don't know if it was anything specific. I'm just tired of all the nonsense surrounding religion in public places which hurts NO ONE--and then, in general, the same people turn around and want me to be happy paying taxes into a corrupt welfare system by trying to say I need to be more "compassionate" because that's what a God they don't even believe in or want in society would want (they think).

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

huskerbb wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Husker, I have to ask, what was the latest thing you witnessed compelling you to start this thread? I do agree with you BTW.
I don't know if it was anything specific. I'm just tired of all the nonsense surrounding religion in public places which hurts NO ONE--and then, in general, the same people turn around and want me to be happy paying taxes into a corrupt welfare system by trying to say I need to be more "compassionate" because that's what a God they don't even believe in or want in society would want (they think).

Yeah I agree. But what I am more tired of now is how all religions, with the exception of the Jews and Christians, are able to get exemptions to our laws and such on the basis of religious beliefs. I'm tired of lawsuits because some Muslim woman wants an ID but refuses to take off her burka, or the menora and xmas trees that can't be put up on town greens because it offends the JW, Muslims, etc. Well put up your own damn trinket! We are a nation that recognizes all of it, we do not ignore it. Get with the program!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lady Justice and the law are supposed to be blindfolded. Now, that is no longer true. People are now judged based on whatever group they supposedly identify with.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

huskerbb wrote:
Whenever anyone dares to criticize our bloated welfare system--whether it is me, some politician, a pundit on fox news, or whomever--someone on the left invariably brings up crap like "well, where is your Christian compassion", or, even worse, the sickening phrase "what would Jesus do" (probably split up 5 loaves of bread and two fish and feed everyone).

Well, they can pretty much shove it. I'll be a LOT more compassionate when they let the 10 commandments hang in the local courthouse, when they leave the Pledge of Allegiance alone and don't have a fit when kids recite the "under God" part of it, when they shut their pie-holes about the nativity scene in the city park, when they don't freak out when the Lord's Prayer is recited at graduation, when the ACLU isn't all up in arms about a stirring rendition of "The Little Drummer Boy" by the high school band, and when people are allowed to practice their religious beliefs without fear of a lawsuit.

It's beyond absurd to have such people squawking about what I should do according to my religion when most of them want to get rid of my religion, entirely, or at least make me practice it in a few confined places where no one else can see it--and they only invoke it when they want money for a bloated governmental system that has NOTHING to do with Christian compassion, anyway.

Attaboy!

I agree with this.

burns07 · Guru

in the news the last few days has been the plight of a Navy chaplain ( of the SEALS Command, no less ) who may be forced to leave the service over his religious advice / counsel to one of his subordinates ( a gay lieutenant, no less )--this is a 25year, decorated veteran, respected and admired by the entire command--he is, needless to say, aghast and feels he's been set up--apparently over 40,000 others who have voiced their support ( along with all the members of his command )agree with the chaplain

it is a travesty indeed when a CHAPLAIN must be disciplined / criticized / scrutinized over the faithful, steadfast practice of his beliefs and the adherence to the tenets of his faith--as a colleague of his said: " As a Chaplain, soldiers look to me for religious guidance and strength. My faith makes me who I am. I cannot be one without the other. "

-- Edited by burns07 on Friday 13th of March 2015 06:39:06 PM

WYSIWYG · Guru

I agree with pretty much everything you said in the OP, huskerbb, except the 10 Commandments in the Courthouse and the leaving of the Pledge of Allegiance alone. One religion's beliefs should not be held above all others in matters of Government or Allegiance to that Government.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

WYSIWYG wrote:
I agree with pretty much everything you said in the OP, huskerbb, except the 10 Commandments in the Courthouse and the leaving of the Pledge of Allegiance alone. One religion's beliefs should not be held above all others in matters of Government or Allegiance to that Government.

Why does this sound familiar? confuse

huskerbb · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
I agree with pretty much everything you said in the OP, huskerbb, except the 10 Commandments in the Courthouse and the leaving of the Pledge of Allegiance alone. One religion's beliefs should not be held above all others in matters of Government or Allegiance to that Government.

Those hurt no one. The 10 commandments are, at their core, largely what our laws are based on, anyway. As for the pledge, it has been recited that way for over 60 years--and no one has been hurt by it.

huskerbb · Guru

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Husker, I have to ask, what was the latest thing you witnessed compelling you to start this thread? I do agree with you BTW.
I don't know if it was anything specific. I'm just tired of all the nonsense surrounding religion in public places which hurts NO ONE--and then, in general, the same people turn around and want me to be happy paying taxes into a corrupt welfare system by trying to say I need to be more "compassionate" because that's what a God they don't even believe in or want in society would want (they think).
Yeah I agree. But what I am more tired of now is how all religions, with the exception of the Jews and Christians, are able to get exemptions to our laws and such on the basis of religious beliefs. I'm tired of lawsuits because some Muslim woman wants an ID but refuses to take off her burka, or the menora and xmas trees that can't be put up on town greens because it offends the JW, Muslims, etc. Well put up your own damn trinket! We are a nation that recognizes all of it, we do not ignore it. Get with the program!

I might even be fine with that--but--then let me practice my religion the way I want to. If I don't want to do something that goes against my beliefs, I shouldn't have to.

chef · Guru

Well said, Husker!!

"I might even be fine with that--but--then let me practice my religion the way I want to. If I don't want to do something that goes against my beliefs, I shouldn't have to." (Husker)

Amen!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

husker is feeling the love with this thread!

flan

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

flan327 wrote:
husker is feeling the love with this thread!

flan

ed11563 · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Husker, I have to ask, what was the latest thing you witnessed compelling you to start this thread? I do agree with you BTW.
I don't know if it was anything specific. I'm just tired of all the nonsense surrounding religion in public places which hurts NO ONE--and then, in general, the same people turn around and want me to be happy paying taxes into a corrupt welfare system by trying to say I need to be more "compassionate" because that's what a God they don't even believe in or want in society would want (they think).
Yeah I agree. But what I am more tired of now is how all religions, with the exception of the Jews and Christians, are able to get exemptions to our laws and such on the basis of religious beliefs. I'm tired of lawsuits because some Muslim woman wants an ID but refuses to take off her burka, or the menora and xmas trees that can't be put up on town greens because it offends the JW, Muslims, etc. Well put up your own damn trinket! We are a nation that recognizes all of it, we do not ignore it. Get with the program!
I might even be fine with that--but--then let me practice my religion the way I want to. If I don't want to do something that goes against my beliefs, I shouldn't have to.

The problem I have with "let me practice my religion the way I want to " starts when Muslim Fundamentalists claim the same right.

Just to be clear, practicing their religion the way they want to, involves KILLING ALL OF US, starting with ME.

burns07 · Guru

let me say, as a Christian myself, that if they ever try and do that here ( Muslim Fundamentalists / killing all of us ) I and a good many of my family, friends and neighbors will kill every one of them

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

burns07 wrote:

let me say, as a Christian myself, that if they ever try and do that here ( Muslim Fundamentalists / killing all of us ) I and a good many of my family, friends and neighbors will kill every one of them

I will defend every Christian or Jewish neighbors I have with my guns if they come for them.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Thing is, it will be ANYONE who isnt Islam will be killed. That means the agnostic and atheists too.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

lilyofcourse wrote:
Thing is, it will be ANYONE who isnt Islam will be killed. That means the agnostic and atheists too.

I will defend the agnostics and atheists as well.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Thing is, it will be ANYONE who isnt Islam will be killed. That means the agnostic and atheists too.

I will defend the agnostics and atheists as well.

You better, or I'll punch you!

biggrin

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Thing is, it will be ANYONE who isnt Islam will be killed. That means the agnostic and atheists too.

I will defend the agnostics and atheists as well.

And you and I should.

What i am saying is that no one is safe from this. No one.

ed11563 · Guru

They're not picky, and they're not easy to find or predict.

So we have 9-11-2001 World Trace Center mass murder,

and the Boston Marathon bombing.

Now Iran is getting closer to have NUKES.

If we're waiting for a "first strike" to retaliate, isn't it too late?

Where will Iran use their first Nukes? Deliver by ship to New York Harbor, by truck to Tel Aviv?

They don't have to use a ballistic missile that could be knocked down.

burns07 · Guru

Where will Iran use their first Nukes? Deliver by ship to New York Harbor, by truck to Tel Aviv?
____________________________________________________________________________

and therein lies the most important facet of an Iranian nuclear threat--proximity

look around the middle east--they're all close together, reducing reaction time from maybe a few minutes to zero

if you wait for Iran to use it, it will be too late

we nearly went to war with the USSR over missiles in Cuba that would effectively reduce our reaction time to a few minutes only and that's launching them from 90 miles away ( from the continental US )

Tinydancer · Guru

ed you realize if we set off a nuclear bomb over Iran that the radiation won't just stay in Iran? So all of those surrounding countries will pay the price for what Iran is doing.

burns07 · Guru

the Israelis possess the capability now for preventing a nuclear-armed Iran--we should let them handle it ( as Netanyahu said they will, alone if necessary ) and them support them in the aftermath

ed11563 · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
ed you realize if we set off a nuclear bomb over Iran that the radiation won't just stay in Iran? So all of those surrounding countries will pay the price for what Iran is doing.

And if we find out they've become a nuclear power

on the day they blow up New York and Boston?

Tinydancer · Guru

We'll know before then. That's what we have spies for. So you really think we should just nuke them now? What about the surrounding countries? Just the price of nuking Iran I guess.

WYSIWYG · Guru

"Those hurt no one. The 10 commandments are, at their core, largely what our laws are based on, anyway. As for the pledge, it has been recited that way for over 60 years--and no one has been hurt by it." - huskerbb

_________________

I never said they would hurt anyone. My point was, just because you and I may believe in them doesn't mean that everyone does. Our Governmental buildings are not just for us. They are for everyone. Because of that they should represent the beliefs of everyone equally. If they can't do that, then they should not favor the beliefs of anyone.

The pledge was recited for many years before "under God" was added in some sort of anti-communist show of how non-Communist we are. I think I have to disagree with your "no one was hurt" by it statement. Everyone that has had to say it that doesn't believe in God has been "hurt" by it. Disenfranchisement isn't limited to voting. I don't know about you, but I sure as heck would consider myself hurt if I had to say "One nation, under Allah". How would you feel?

ed11563 · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
We'll know before then. That's what we have spies for. So you really think we should just nuke them now? What about the surrounding countries? Just the price of nuking Iran I guess.

"Talk softly and carry a big stick" is only helpful when your tormentor is actually afraid you'll USE that big stick.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

ed11563 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
We'll know before then. That's what we have spies for. So you really think we should just nuke them now? What about the surrounding countries? Just the price of nuking Iran I guess.
"Talk softly and carry a big stick" is only helpful when your tormentor is actually afraid you'll USE that big stick.

Oh, I agree with this. That is why the current adminstration holds no sway.

Tinydancer · Guru

There are plenty of options between doing nothing and setting off a nuclear bomb. Why don't we try some of those others things before we contaminate the whole middle east region?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Tinydancer wrote:
There are plenty of options between doing nothing and setting off a nuclear bomb. Why don't we try some of those others things before we contaminate the whole middle east region?

I agree with this, as well. You can't bomb a country because of what they MIGHT do, no matter how bad the temptation. That makes us the bad guy. However, there are other things we could be doing.

huskerbb · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
"Those hurt no one. The 10 commandments are, at their core, largely what our laws are based on, anyway. As for the pledge, it has been recited that way for over 60 years--and no one has been hurt by it." - huskerbb

_________________

I never said they would hurt anyone. My point was, just because you and I may believe in them doesn't mean that everyone does. Our Governmental buildings are not just for us. They are for everyone. Because of that they should represent the beliefs of everyone equally. If they can't do that, then they should not favor the beliefs of anyone.

The pledge was recited for many years before "under God" was added in some sort of anti-communist show of how non-Communist we are. I think I have to disagree with your "no one was hurt" by it statement. Everyone that has had to say it that doesn't believe in God has been "hurt" by it. Disenfranchisement isn't limited to voting. I don't know about you, but I sure as heck would consider myself hurt if I had to say "One nation, under Allah". How would you feel?

We'll then don't piss and moan when Im going to oppose welfare programs. You can't just invoke religion when it suits you and then expect to get the response you want.

ed11563 · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
There are plenty of options between doing nothing and setting off a nuclear bomb. Why don't we try some of those others things before we contaminate the whole middle east region?
I agree with this, as well. You can't bomb a country because of what they MIGHT do, no matter how bad the temptation. That makes us the bad guy. However, there are other things we could be doing.

there are other things we could be doing.

Good, let's talk about them. Can you give some examples?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
There are plenty of options between doing nothing and setting off a nuclear bomb. Why don't we try some of those others things before we contaminate the whole middle east region?
I agree with this, as well. You can't bomb a country because of what they MIGHT do, no matter how bad the temptation. That makes us the bad guy. However, there are other things we could be doing.
there are other things we could be doing.
Good, let's talk about them. Can you give some examples?

Showing strong support for Israel for one. No mercy to terrorists for another - hunting them down like dogs. Stop trade with Iran completely.

ed11563 · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
There are plenty of options between doing nothing and setting off a nuclear bomb. Why don't we try some of those others things before we contaminate the whole middle east region?
I agree with this, as well. You can't bomb a country because of what they MIGHT do, no matter how bad the temptation. That makes us the bad guy. However, there are other things we could be doing.
there are other things we could be doing.
Good, let's talk about them. Can you give some examples?

Showing strong support for Israel for one. No mercy to terrorists for another - hunting them down like dogs. Stop trade with Iran completely.

I hope these get a LOT more emphasis after the next election.

I think we should also confiscate their assets in every bank in the world to use to pay families of terrorist victims, including Israelis.

And if / when they can't collect money for oil they sell, we need to be ready to be energy self-sufficient.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
There are plenty of options between doing nothing and setting off a nuclear bomb. Why don't we try some of those others things before we contaminate the whole middle east region?
I agree with this, as well. You can't bomb a country because of what they MIGHT do, no matter how bad the temptation. That makes us the bad guy. However, there are other things we could be doing.
there are other things we could be doing.
Good, let's talk about them. Can you give some examples?

Showing strong support for Israel for one. No mercy to terrorists for another - hunting them down like dogs. Stop trade with Iran completely.
I hope these get a LOT more emphasis after the next election.
I think we should also confiscate their assets in every bank in the world to use to pay families of terrorist victims, including Israelis.
And if / when they can't collect money for oil they sell, we need to be ready to be energy self-sufficient.

Me, too. But it will depend on who wins.