TOTALLY GEEKED!

Mellow Momma wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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And if the baker thinks homosexuality is a sin, then she had better not bake for any other person who sins. If she does, it's discrimination and has nothing to do with her religion.

If she bakes a cake for one bratty 16 year old who is nasty to her mother in the shop...she has no leg to stand on. One sin isn't worse than any other.

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 Everybody sins - that's not the proper comparison.  And she has no standing to refuse to bake say, a birthday cake, for a homosexual - I agree COMPLETELY that would be discrimination. But for a specific event that celebrates entering into a lifetime of sin?  A better comparison would be if she won't bake a cake for a same-sex wedding, she better not bake cakes for divorce celebrations or for 2nd marrige weddings unless they can show annulment papers.

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 So let's go with your example! Is she doing that? Because if she is baking cakes for second marriages, she needs to pony up and bake for the homosexual marriage too.

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 I agree. 

 

 

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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And if the baker thinks homosexuality is a sin, then she had better not bake for any other person who sins. If she does, it's discrimination and has nothing to do with her religion.

If she bakes a cake for one bratty 16 year old who is nasty to her mother in the shop...she has no leg to stand on. One sin isn't worse than any other.

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 Everybody sins - that's not the proper comparison.  And she has no standing to refuse to bake say, a birthday cake, for a homosexual - I agree COMPLETELY that would be discrimination. But for a specific event that celebrates entering into a lifetime of sin?  A better comparison would be if she won't bake a cake for a same-sex wedding, she better not bake cakes for divorce celebrations or for 2nd marrige weddings unless they can show annulment papers.

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 So let's go with your example! Is she doing that? Because if she is baking cakes for second marriages, she needs to pony up and bake for the homosexual marriage too.

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 I agree. 

 

 

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 And do you think she probably IS baking cakes for second marriages? Because I bet she is. No one has come forward and said "you know, that same baker refused to bake a cake for our wedding because it was my second marriage!"  So she needs to bake the cake. 

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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And if the baker thinks homosexuality is a sin, then she had better not bake for any other person who sins. If she does, it's discrimination and has nothing to do with her religion.

If she bakes a cake for one bratty 16 year old who is nasty to her mother in the shop...she has no leg to stand on. One sin isn't worse than any other.

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 Everybody sins - that's not the proper comparison.  And she has no standing to refuse to bake say, a birthday cake, for a homosexual - I agree COMPLETELY that would be discrimination. But for a specific event that celebrates entering into a lifetime of sin?  A better comparison would be if she won't bake a cake for a same-sex wedding, she better not bake cakes for divorce celebrations or for 2nd marrige weddings unless they can show annulment papers.

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 So let's go with your example! Is she doing that? Because if she is baking cakes for second marriages, she needs to pony up and bake for the homosexual marriage too.

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 I agree. 

 

 

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 And do you think she probably IS baking cakes for second marriages? Because I bet she is. No one has come forward and said "you know, that same baker refused to bake a cake for our wedding because it was my second marriage!"  So she needs to bake the cake. 

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But how does she know?  Should be be interrogating the people that come in?  Have you ever been divorced?  Was it because of adultery?  Did you have the marriage annuled by the church?  Did you first spouse die? 

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 That's on her. She needs to figure it out. Because she needs to ensure she isn't discriminating - and if the homosexual couple is the only couple she won't bake for, she is discriminating. 

And what about the alcohol at the reception? If that's against her religion, she needs to refuse those cakes as well. 

msrock wrote:

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This is all getting so ridiculous.

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 I agree.  You can "what if" until the cows come home. 

 

 

It's a stupid, made-up word used to bash anyone who doesn't agree with the group think mentality of the left.

I know gay people. I'm not afraid of them. I get along quit well with the ones that I know.

Really, I could give a rat's ass less if they want to get married--BUT--just leave those who don't want to participate in their little corn-holing party alone. They can do that without me baking a cake for them, taking pictures of them, or arranging their flowers.

Mellow Momma wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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And if the baker thinks homosexuality is a sin, then she had better not bake for any other person who sins. If she does, it's discrimination and has nothing to do with her religion.

If she bakes a cake for one bratty 16 year old who is nasty to her mother in the shop...she has no leg to stand on. One sin isn't worse than any other.

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 Everybody sins - that's not the proper comparison.  And she has no standing to refuse to bake say, a birthday cake, for a homosexual - I agree COMPLETELY that would be discrimination. But for a specific event that celebrates entering into a lifetime of sin?  A better comparison would be if she won't bake a cake for a same-sex wedding, she better not bake cakes for divorce celebrations or for 2nd marrige weddings unless they can show annulment papers.

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 So let's go with your example! Is she doing that? Because if she is baking cakes for second marriages, she needs to pony up and bake for the homosexual marriage too.

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 I agree. 

 

 

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 And do you think she probably IS baking cakes for second marriages? Because I bet she is. No one has come forward and said "you know, that same baker refused to bake a cake for our wedding because it was my second marriage!"  So she needs to bake the cake. 

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But how does she know?  Should be be interrogating the people that come in?  Have you ever been divorced?  Was it because of adultery?  Did you have the marriage annuled by the church?  Did you first spouse die? 

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 That's on her. She needs to figure it out. Because she needs to ensure she isn't discriminating - and if the homosexual couple is the only couple she won't bake for, she is discriminating. 

And what about the alcohol at the reception? If that's against her religion, she needs to refuse those cakes as well. 

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That's BS.  The FACT is that if alcohol were an issue for her, she COULD refuse to participate in it and NO ONE would say a damn word.

The ONLY civil right involved here is the freedom of RELIGION. There is no constitutionally protected rights of sexual behavior, marriage to ANYONE, corn-holing, muff diving, or any other such thing.   

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But there ARE discrimination laws pertaining to sexual preference. And if she bakes wedding cakes for a hetero couple, she by law has to bake for a gay couple...

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No she doesn't. 

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But there ARE discrimination laws pertaining to sexual preference. And if she bakes wedding cakes for a hetero couple, she by law has to bake for a gay couple...

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And that's BS.  Why should those laws take precedence over a person's right to practice their religion? 

 

We need to take sexual behavior OUT of the law.  It has no place in it.   

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Doesn't matter if you don't like it. Its the law....

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BS.  The heart of a democracy is that people can work to change the laws they don't like. 

 

Gay rights groups have been doing it--why can't other groups in society?  Your basic premise is absurd.  Laws change all the time--that's why we have gay marriage in many states in the first place.   

well, what's " funny " about the homosexual discrimination laws is that they create the exact atmosphere they were ostensibly passed to eliminate--discrimination--against heterosexuals and conscientious / religious objectors

I'm not "against" anyone--just as long as they leave me alone, which they won't do.

Well, you should be able to. I've put it in black and white that I don't care what they do--as long as I don't have to participate. I'd assumed you could read.

Tinydancer wrote:

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I can read just fine. Do you know how to debate because I haven't seen much of that from you?

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Then you can't read just fine.   

Tinydancer wrote:

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hahahaha..The old I'm rubber you're glue ploy. Works every time when you really don't have a real answer to why you say the vulgar things you do.

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You are the one who can't seem to address the topic at hand.  I never said you had to respond to me--but you chose to, anyway.  

Tinydancer wrote:

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I was commenting on your vulgarity but I guess if you make this about the topic you're still being naive if you think by saying sensational things you're helping the conservative cause you're sadly mistaken. You make the rest of us conservative wince when you talk like that but carry on if you think it's wise.

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Then don't respond to me if you don't like how I post.  No one made you.   

But this is part of the problem. You immediately react with negativity. If I say something good about God, you knee jerk to something bad.

And when is the last time some random Christian came up to you and started preaching at you? And yet, somehow, it's ok to start discussions about how Christians are hateful homophobes because of their beliefs.

It seems everything is ok to discuss whether wanted or not except God.

Are bakers going around hunting down homosexuals to point at and say "I won't bake you a wedding cake!" No, but some homosexuals are singling out Christians.

-Lawyerlady

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I didn't react with negativity though. I was already going to make my post in some variation or another. Your sadness in what you said just seemed to tie in with my sadness over what I posted. Two people sad about the message not getting out, but sad about different aspects of why or how.

I can't think of the last time I was preached at by a Christian. Maybe I have "that kind of face", or they see me hold doors for people, or whatever. Even if one did start they would quickly realize that I am already well acquainted with my Bible and my beliefs.

I do agree that some homosexuals are singling out Christians though, and that's just as wrong.