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ed11563 · Guru

homeopathic over-the-counter asthma products

Bonny22Pye · Guru

Homeopathic medicines are crock of bull-****. Its based on bunk science.

ed11563 · Guru

Bonny22Pye wrote:
Homeopathic medicines are crock of bull-sh!t. Its based on bunk science.

YES !!!

and yet people risk their health and waste their money on them.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

Most of them are pretty benign sugar pills.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I use homeopathic leg cramp pills. They work. Homeopathic teething tablets worked best for the kids. Some of it is just old home remedies.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I've used some of the remedies too. Like everything, you have to educate yourself.

If I can use something that isn't chemicals, I will.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
I use homeopathic leg cramp pills. They work. Homeopathic teething tablets worked best for the kids. Some of it is just old home remedies.

You do realize that true homeopathic meds have no trace of the original ingredient?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

With this one right under the homophobic thread, it's easy to read it strange.

Homophobic over the counter asthma products.

-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Thursday 19th of March 2015 11:45:40 PM

ed11563 · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
I use homeopathic leg cramp pills. They work. Homeopathic teething tablets worked best for the kids. Some of it is just old home remedies.

Maybe you should find out what's REALLY in those leg cramp pills. If it's acetaminophen, you need to be careful to avoid an overdose.

If it's really calcium, you should look into buying calcium citrate.

Do you have a full list of the ingredients in those teething pills?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

So you would rather put fake and made up chemicals in your body?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Bonny22Pye wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I use homeopathic leg cramp pills. They work. Homeopathic teething tablets worked best for the kids. Some of it is just old home remedies.
You do realize that true homeopathic meds have no trace of the original ingredient?

The leg cramp pills contain quinine. The teething tablets contain chamomile and belladonna.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I use homeopathic leg cramp pills. They work. Homeopathic teething tablets worked best for the kids. Some of it is just old home remedies.
Maybe you should find out what's REALLY in those leg cramp pills. If it's acetaminophen, you need to be careful to avoid an overdose.
If it's really calcium, you should look into buying calcium citrate.

Do you have a full list of the ingredients in those teething pills?

There is no acetaminophen - they would have to label that. Geesh.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

First and foremost, the quality of homeopathic medicines manufacturing is regulated by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), as required in the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act. The production of Hyland's homeopathic medicines occurs within a validated process, as with any FDA-regulated drug, to ensure an accepted level of consistency in product output.

Hyland's Teething Tablets contain homeopathically prepared forms of Calcarea Phosphorica, Chamomilla, Coffea Cruda, and Belladonna. These ingredients are all prepared in accordance with the Homeopathic Pharmacopoia of the United States (HPUS). HPUS has been recognized by the FDA since 1938 as the official compendium (or formula book) for homeopathic medicine in the U.S. When homeopathically prepared, active ingredients are diluted to the point that the risk of toxicity is extremely low (see specific details below).

Calcarea Phosphorica is included in Hyland's Teething Tablets for its ability to support teeth formation. Chamomilla is included in the Tablets for its actions on irritability commonly associated with teething pain. Coffea Cruda is included in the Tablets for its actions on wakefulness and increased urination.

Belladonna is included in the Tablets to ease the redness, inflammation and discomfort of the child's gum that often occurs during the teething process. Belladonna 12X HPUS is manufactured from the whole plant, of which a small portion is Belladonna alkaloids (the component sometimes associated with side effects). Each Teething Tablet (which weighs about 65 mg) is composed of 0.0000000000003% Belladonna alkaloids as stated on the label. As calculated, this means that each complete teething tablet contains only approximately 0.0000000000002 mg of Belladonna alkaloids.

The amount of Belladonna alkaloids in teething tablets is minuscule, especially when compared to conventional medicines that contain Belladonna alkaloids. To put the calculated amount of Belladonna in a Hyland's Baby Teething Tablet into perspective, the 0.0000000000002 mg of Belladonna alkaloids is THOUSANDS OF TIMES below even the therapeutic amounts of Belladonna used in conventional anti-spasmodic medicines that doctors sometimes prescribe (0.2 to 5 milligrams of Belladonna alkaloids). The side effects (called anticholinergic side effects) sometimes caused by conventional medicines delivering more than 0.2 mg of Belladonna alkaloids - such as dry mouth, blurred vision and urinary retention - are not associated with homeopathic medicines because of their minute dosage.

To further clarify the homeopathic dosages of Belladonna in Baby Teething Tablets, a 10-pound child would have to accidentally ingest, all at the same time, more than a dozen bottles of 135 Baby Teething Tablets before experiencing even dry mouth from the product. Additionally, the body clears Belladonna alkaloids from any single dose in a matter of hours. Therefore, the Belladonna in the product would be very unlikely to build up in the system when taken as directed on the package label. Nonetheless, in the event of any accidental ingestion of a Hyland's product, we encourage you to contact your own medical professional and/or poison control center immediately. Our on-call pharmacists are also available to assist you and your doctor with product-related information.

Hyland's Baby Teething Tablets have been safely used by millions of children since being introduced to the U.S. market in 1945! Click here to see what actual parents have to say about Hyland’s Teething Tablets.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Hyland’s Leg Cramps is a traditional homeopathic formula for the relief of symptoms of cramps and pains in lower back and legs often made worse by damp weather. Hyland’s Leg Cramps stimulates your body’s natural healing response to relieve symptoms. Hyland’s Leg Cramps is safe for adults and can be used in conjunction with other medications.

Formula

Cinchona Officinalis 3X HPUS for pains in limbs and joints

Viscum Album 3X HPUS for pains in joints

Gnaphalium Polycephalum 3X HPUS for cramps in calves and feet

Rhus Toxicodendron 6X HPUS for pain and stiffness

Aconitum Napellus 6X HPUS for pains in joints and legs

Ledum Palustre 6X HPUS for pain and cramps in legs

Magnesia Phosphorica 6X HPUS for cramps in calves

Hyland’s Leg Cramps contains the homeopathic medicine Cinchona Officinalis HPUS, which is made from the bark of the Cinchona tree, commonly called “Quinine Bark”. This bark is the source ingredient for quinine as well as the source of the ingredient in our homeopathic medicine. Homeopathically prepared Cinchona Officinalis is a safe and extremely effective ingredient to relieve leg cramp pain.

Non-homeopathic quinine, quinine sulfate or any salts of quinine are not found in ANY Hyland’s product. The Food & Drug Administration does not permit allopathic quinine in any OTC medicines, and limits its use in prescription medications as well.

Hyland’s Leg Cramps is a safe product because the active ingredients are present in microdoses. By contrast, a 6 ounce serving of tonic water has up to 4000 times the amount of quinine found in one HYLAND’S Leg Cramps caplet.

Hyland’s Leg Cramps continues to be one of the top selling analgesics in the United States since it was introduced in 1994.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Friday 20th of March 2015 07:28:18 AM

Bonny22Pye · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I use homeopathic leg cramp pills. They work. Homeopathic teething tablets worked best for the kids. Some of it is just old home remedies.
Maybe you should find out what's REALLY in those leg cramp pills. If it's acetaminophen, you need to be careful to avoid an overdose.
If it's really calcium, you should look into buying calcium citrate.

Do you have a full list of the ingredients in those teething pills?
There is no acetaminophen - they would have to label that. Geesh.

Not really though, the "amounts" are so minuscule that they don't' exist.

Homeopathic products are made from minerals, botanical substances, and several other sources. If the original substance is soluble, one part is diluted with either nine or ninety-nine parts of distilled water and/or alcohol and shaken vigorously (succussed); if insoluble, it is finely ground and pulverized in similar proportions with powdered lactose (milk sugar). One part of the diluted medicine is then further diluted, and the process is repeated until the desired concentration is reached. Dilutions of 1 to 10 are designated by the Roman numeral X (1X = 1/10, 3X = 1/1,000, 6X = 1/1,000,000). Similarly, dilutions of 1 to 100 are designated by the Roman numeral C (1C = 1/100, 3C = 1/1,000,000, and so on). Most remedies today range from 6X to 30X, but products of 30C or more are marketed.

A 30X dilution means that the original substance has been diluted 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times. Assuming that a cubic centimeter of water contains 15 drops, this number is greater than the number of drops of water that would fill a container more than 50 times the size of the Earth. Imagine placing a drop of red dye into such a container so that it disperses evenly. Homeopathy's "law of infinitesimals" is the equivalent of saying that any drop of water subsequently removed from that container will possess an essence of redness. Robert L. Park, Ph.D., a prominent physicist who is executive director of The American Physical Society, has noted that since the least amount of a substance in a solution is one molecule, a 30C solution would have to have at least one molecule of the original substance dissolved in a minimum of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 molecules of water. This would require a container more than 30,000,000,000 times the size of the Earth.

Oscillococcinum, a 200C product "for the relief of colds and flu-like symptoms," involves "dilutions" that are even more far-fetched. Its "active ingredient" is prepared by incubating small amounts of a freshly killed duck's liver and heart for 40 days. The resultant solution is then filtered, freeze-dried, rehydrated, repeatedly diluted, and impregnated into sugar granules. If a single molecule of the duck's heart or liver were to survive the dilution, its concentration would be 1 in 100²⁰⁰. This huge number, which has 400 zeroes, is vastly greater than the estimated number of molecules in the universe (about one googol, which is a 1 followed by 100 zeroes). In its February 17, 1997, issue, U.S. News & World Report noted that only one duck per year is needed to manufacture the product, which had total sales of $20 million in 1996. The magazine dubbed that unlucky bird "the $20-million duck."

Actually, the laws of chemistry state that there is a limit to the dilution that can be made without losing the original substance altogether. This limit, which is related to Avogadro's number, corresponds to homeopathic potencies of 12C or 24X (1 part in 10²⁴). Hahnemann himself realized that there is virtually no chance that even one molecule of original substance would remain after extreme dilutions. But he believed that the vigorous shaking or pulverizing with each step of dilution leaves behind a "spirit-like" essence—"no longer perceptible to the senses"—which cures by reviving the body's "vital force." Modern proponents assert that even when the last molecule is gone, a "memory" of the substance is retained. This notion is unsubstantiated. Moreover, if it were true, every substance encountered by a molecule of water might imprint an "essence" that could exert powerful (and unpredictable) medicinal effects when ingested by a person.

Many proponents claim that homeopathic products resemble vaccines because both provide a small stimulus that triggers an immune response. This comparison is not valid. The amounts of active ingredients in vaccines are much greater and can be measured. Moreover, immunizations produce antibodies whose concentration in the blood can be measured, but high-dilution homeopathic products produce no measurable response. In addition, vaccines are used preventively, not for curing symptoms.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

My god, I can't believe I am on Ed's side on this one.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

They work. And they don't cause side effects.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
They work. And they don't cause side effects.

You think they work. It's a placebo effect. There is no real science behind it.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Bonny22Pye wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
They work. And they don't cause side effects.
You think they work. It's a placebo effect. There is no real science behind it.

Tell that to my legs. I get horrible legs cramps all the time. If I take the pills, I don't. That's not a placebo.

My children calmed down within minutes of taking the teething tablets.

Don't tell me I am not getting a result. It is my body, not yours.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And since the leg cramps come in the middle of the night while I'm sleeping, I highly doubt those pills are managing to fake my body out while I'm sleeping.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Bonny22Pye wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
They work. And they don't cause side effects.
You think they work. It's a placebo effect. There is no real science behind it.

Wow. That's some serious arrogance.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Pot? Kettle?

flan

Bonny22Pye · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
They work. And they don't cause side effects.
You think they work. It's a placebo effect. There is no real science behind it.
Wow. That's some serious arrogance.

This is my stance based upon several different medical and science articles that I've read and the research I did when my son was teething. It's not arrogance, its my opinion.

Tinydancer · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Hyland’s Leg Cramps is a traditional homeopathic formula for the relief of symptoms of cramps and pains in lower back and legs often made worse by damp weather. Hyland’s Leg Cramps stimulates your body’s natural healing response to relieve symptoms. Hyland’s Leg Cramps is safe for adults and can be used in conjunction with other medications.

Formula

Cinchona Officinalis 3X HPUS for pains in limbs and joints

Viscum Album 3X HPUS for pains in joints

Gnaphalium Polycephalum 3X HPUS for cramps in calves and feet

Rhus Toxicodendron 6X HPUS for pain and stiffness

Aconitum Napellus 6X HPUS for pains in joints and legs

Ledum Palustre 6X HPUS for pain and cramps in legs

Magnesia Phosphorica 6X HPUS for cramps in calves

Hyland’s Leg Cramps contains the homeopathic medicine Cinchona Officinalis HPUS, which is made from the bark of the Cinchona tree, commonly called “Quinine Bark”. This bark is the source ingredient for quinine as well as the source of the ingredient in our homeopathic medicine. Homeopathically prepared Cinchona Officinalis is a safe and extremely effective ingredient to relieve leg cramp pain.
Non-homeopathic quinine, quinine sulfate or any salts of quinine are not found in ANY Hyland’s product. The Food & Drug Administration does not permit allopathic quinine in any OTC medicines, and limits its use in prescription medications as well.
Hyland’s Leg Cramps is a safe product because the active ingredients are present in microdoses. By contrast, a 6 ounce serving of tonic water has up to 4000 times the amount of quinine found in one HYLAND’S Leg Cramps caplet.
Hyland’s Leg Cramps continues to be one of the top selling analgesics in the United States since it was introduced in 1994.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Friday 20th of March 2015 07:28:18 AM

Hyland's is a well known and reliable Homeopathic supplier. The have been rigorously tested and are not allowed to use unnatural ingredients. I know this because we distribute them through my company and they had to jump through hoops to get us to take them on.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

Cinchona Officinalis 3X HPUS for pains in limbs and joints

Viscum Album 3X HPUS for pains in joints

Gnaphalium Polycephalum 3X HPUS for cramps in calves and feet

Rhus Toxicodendron 6X HPUS for pain and stiffness

Aconitum Napellus 6X HPUS for pains in joints and legs

Ledum Palustre 6X HPUS for pain and cramps in legs

Magnesia Phosphorica 6X HPUS for cramps in calves

This is nothing!

The number and the "X" which follows the name of the active ingredient identifies the dilution of each active ingredient. For instance, 6X means that the ingredient has been diluted one part per million parts of water.

Tinydancer · Guru

Humans only had homeopathic medicines up until 200 years ago or so. If we survived that long without chemically created medicines there really has to be something to it. Not all homeopathic medicines are the same any more than all chemically created medicines are the same.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
Humans only had homeopathic medicines up until 200 years ago or so. If we survived that long without chemically created medicines there really has to be something to it. Not all homeopathic medicines are the same any more than all chemically created medicines are the same.

That's the silliest argument against modern medicine I've ever heard.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

Look, people can take what ever they want if it makes them feel better. I'm just saying modern science doesn't back it up and be aware of what you are actually taking or not taking as you would have it.

People see the ingredients on these labels but don't understand that they are diluted to being nothing. At least understand what it is claiming to be.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

So fake is always better. Chemical trumps natural. With all the side effects of chemicals, you'd still rather use it instead of natural that would do the same thing without side effects. Interesting.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
So fake is always better. Chemical trumps natural. With all the side effects of chemicals, you'd still rather use it instead of natural that would do the same thing without side effects. Interesting.

There you go, putting words in people's mouths.

I'll choose the quality of life I have because of modern medicine.

flan

Bonny22Pye · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
So fake is always better. Chemical trumps natural. With all the side effects of chemicals, you'd still rather use it instead of natural that would do the same thing without side effects. Interesting.

WTF are you talking about. Homeopathic isn't anything. Its diluted nothing. Its not even herbal supplements! There can be no side effects because it doesn't have any active ingredients in it.

ed11563 · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Hyland’s Leg Cramps is a traditional homeopathic formula for the relief of symptoms of cramps and pains in lower back and legs often made worse by damp weather. Hyland’s Leg Cramps stimulates your body’s natural healing response to relieve symptoms. Hyland’s Leg Cramps is safe for adults and can be used in conjunction with other medications.

Formula

Cinchona Officinalis 3X HPUS for pains in limbs and joints

Viscum Album 3X HPUS for pains in joints

Gnaphalium Polycephalum 3X HPUS for cramps in calves and feet

Rhus Toxicodendron 6X HPUS for pain and stiffness

Aconitum Napellus 6X HPUS for pains in joints and legs

Ledum Palustre 6X HPUS for pain and cramps in legs

Magnesia Phosphorica 6X HPUS for cramps in calves

Hyland’s Leg Cramps contains the homeopathic medicine Cinchona Officinalis HPUS, which is made from the bark of the Cinchona tree, commonly called “Quinine Bark”. This bark is the source ingredient for quinine as well as the source of the ingredient in our homeopathic medicine. Homeopathically prepared Cinchona Officinalis is a safe and extremely effective ingredient to relieve leg cramp pain.
Non-homeopathic quinine, quinine sulfate or any salts of quinine are not found in ANY Hyland’s product. The Food & Drug Administration does not permit allopathic quinine in any OTC medicines, and limits its use in prescription medications as well.
Hyland’s Leg Cramps is a safe product because the active ingredients are present in microdoses. By contrast, a 6 ounce serving of tonic water has up to 4000 times the amount of quinine found in one HYLAND’S Leg Cramps caplet.
Hyland’s Leg Cramps continues to be one of the top selling analgesics in the United States since it was introduced in 1994.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Friday 20th of March 2015 07:28:18 AM
Hyland's is a well known and reliable Homeopathic supplier. The have been rigorously tested and are not allowed to use unnatural ingredients. I know this because we distribute them through my company and they had to jump through hoops to get us to take them on.

So we can agree, that, at the dilution you're citing, there is (maximum) a single molecule of the "active ingredient" in the package.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Bonny22Pye wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
So fake is always better. Chemical trumps natural. With all the side effects of chemicals, you'd still rather use it instead of natural that would do the same thing without side effects. Interesting.
WTF are you talking about. Homeopathic isn't anything. Its diluted nothing. Its not even herbal supplements! There can be no side effects because it doesn't have any active ingredients in it.

Do you use lavender to help soothe yourself or your child?

Chamomile tea?

Ever use eucalyptus to open an air way or peppermint for a sore or scratchy throat?

Homeopathic/home remedies. Same thing.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
So fake is always better. Chemical trumps natural. With all the side effects of chemicals, you'd still rather use it instead of natural that would do the same thing without side effects. Interesting.
WTF are you talking about. Homeopathic isn't anything. Its diluted nothing. Its not even herbal supplements! There can be no side effects because it doesn't have any active ingredients in it.
Do you use lavender to help soothe yourself or your child?
Chamomile tea?
Ever use eucalyptus to open an air way or peppermint for a sore or scratchy throat?
Homeopathic/home remedies. Same thing.

Actually its not. Perhaps you should learn your definitions.

No, I don't use aromatherapy.

omeopathy (ⁱ/ˌhoʊmiˈɒpəθi/; also spelled homoeopathy; from the Greek: ὅμοιος hómoios, "-like" and πάθος páthos, "suffering") is a system of alternative medicine created in 1796 by Samuel Hahnemannbased on his doctrine of like cures like (similia similibus curentur), whereby a substance that causes the symptoms of a disease in healthy people will cure similar symptoms in sick people.^[1] Homeopathy is considered a pseudoscience.^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5] It is not effective for any condition, and no remedy has been proven to be more effective than placebo.^[6]^[7]^[8]

Hahnemann believed the underlying causes of disease were phenomena that he termed miasms, and that homeopathic remedies addressed these. The remedies are prepared using a process of homeopathic dilution, which involves repeatedly diluting a chosen substance in alcohol or distilled water, followed by forceful striking on an elastic body.^[9] Dilution usually continues well past the point where no molecules of the original substance remain.^[10] Homeopaths select remedies by consulting reference books known as repertories, and by considering the totality of the patient's symptoms, personal traits, physical and psychological state, and life history.^[11]

Homeopathy lacks biological plausibility,^[12] and its axioms are contradicted by scientific facts.^[13] The postulated mechanisms of action of homeopathic remedies are both scientifically implausible^[7]^[14] and not physically possible.^[15] Although some clinical trials produce positive results,^[16]^[17] systematic reviews reveal that this is because of chance, flawed research methods, and reporting bias. Continued homeopathic practice, despite the evidence that it does not work, has been criticized as unethical because it discourages the use of effective treatments,^[18] with the World Health Organisation warning against using homeopathy to try to treat severe diseases such as HIV and malaria.^[19] The continued practice of homeopathy, despite a lack of evidence of efficacy,^[6]^[7]^[20] has led to it being characterized within the scientific and medical communities as nonsense,^[21] quackery,^[4]^[22]^[23] and a sham.^[24]

Tinydancer · Guru

Bonny22Pye wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Humans only had homeopathic medicines up until 200 years ago or so. If we survived that long without chemically created medicines there really has to be something to it. Not all homeopathic medicines are the same any more than all chemically created medicines are the same.
That's the silliest argument against modern medicine I've ever heard.

I'm not arguing against modern medicine and I think you need to read a few more articles if you'd really like to know about alternative treatments. Silly is believing you know more than 10000 years of humans treating themselves without chemicals. Just because we've learned knew ways doesn't mean you should discount other treatments. As far as amounts of the active ingredients sometimes a very small amount is all that's needed. Just don't count on what the AMA says when if you used what they're saying is "unsubstantiated" because they would rather you pay them a ton of money.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Humans only had homeopathic medicines up until 200 years ago or so. If we survived that long without chemically created medicines there really has to be something to it. Not all homeopathic medicines are the same any more than all chemically created medicines are the same.
That's the silliest argument against modern medicine I've ever heard.
I'm not arguing against modern medicine and I think you need to read a few more articles if you'd really like to know about alternative treatments. Silly is believing you know more than 10000 years of humans treating themselves without chemicals. Just because we've learned knew ways doesn't mean you should discount other treatments. As far as amounts of the active ingredients sometimes a very small amount is all that's needed. Just don't count on what the AMA says when if you used what they're saying is "unsubstantiated" because they would rather you pay them a ton of money.

I'm not discounting other options, I discounting homeopathy as it is defined by the homeopathy community. There is value to some alternative treatments such as herbalist, etc. But not sugar pills unless you need the placebo effect.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Tinydancer wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Humans only had homeopathic medicines up until 200 years ago or so. If we survived that long without chemically created medicines there really has to be something to it. Not all homeopathic medicines are the same any more than all chemically created medicines are the same.
That's the silliest argument against modern medicine I've ever heard.
I'm not arguing against modern medicine and I think you need to read a few more articles if you'd really like to know about alternative treatments. Silly is believing you know more than 10000 years of humans treating themselves without chemicals. Just because we've learned knew ways doesn't mean you should discount other treatments. As far as amounts of the active ingredients sometimes a very small amount is all that's needed. Just don't count on what the AMA says when if you used what they're saying is "unsubstantiated" because they would rather you pay them a ton of money.

1> What was the life expectancy then vs. now?

2> What is your agenda?

3> You believe in God. WHY in the world would God give doctors & scientists the ability to discover & produce amazing new medicines?

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Apparently chemicals are better cause, well, science.

Ok.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Apparently chemicals are better cause, well, science.

Ok.

Science sucks...

flan

Bonny22Pye · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Apparently chemicals are better cause, well, science.

Ok.

Why do you keep going back to chemicals? Not all medicine is made of chemicals.

oh, yeah that's right you don't know what you are talking about because you don't know the different between homeopathy, herbal remedies, home remedies, aromatherapy and pharmaceuticals.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Bonny22Pye wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Apparently chemicals are better cause, well, science.

Ok.
Why do you keep going back to chemicals? Not all medicine is made of chemicals.
oh, yeah that's right you don't know what you are talking about because you don't know the different between homeopathy, herbal remedies, home remedies, aromatherapy and pharmaceuticals.

Yes chemicals. Manipulated substances.

Thanks for continuing to be snarky though. Loving that.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Apparently chemicals are better cause, well, science.

Ok.
Why do you keep going back to chemicals? Not all medicine is made of chemicals.
oh, yeah that's right you don't know what you are talking about because you don't know the different between homeopathy, herbal remedies, home remedies, aromatherapy and pharmaceuticals.
Yes chemicals. Manipulated substances.
Thanks for continuing to be snarky though. Loving that.

Well than write something on the topic that shows you understand what is being discussed. Which is homeopathy. Which I still don't think you understand based upon every response you've posted.

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Humans only had homeopathic medicines up until 200 years ago or so. If we survived that long without chemically created medicines there really has to be something to it. Not all homeopathic medicines are the same any more than all chemically created medicines are the same.
That's the silliest argument against modern medicine I've ever heard.
I'm not arguing against modern medicine and I think you need to read a few more articles if you'd really like to know about alternative treatments. Silly is believing you know more than 10000 years of humans treating themselves without chemicals. Just because we've learned knew ways doesn't mean you should discount other treatments. As far as amounts of the active ingredients sometimes a very small amount is all that's needed. Just don't count on what the AMA says when if you used what they're saying is "unsubstantiated" because they would rather you pay them a ton of money.
1> What was the life expectancy then vs. now? A lot less but that's why I'm not arguing against modern medicine.
2> What is your agenda? I don't have an agenda but you obviously do.
3> You believe in God. WHY in the world would God give doctors & scientists the ability to discover & produce amazing new medicines? What are you talking about? I never said doctors aren't important. Why do you insist on acting like whatever I say is some kind of personal insult to you. Grow the hell up.
flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Humans only had homeopathic medicines up until 200 years ago or so. If we survived that long without chemically created medicines there really has to be something to it. Not all homeopathic medicines are the same any more than all chemically created medicines are the same.
That's the silliest argument against modern medicine I've ever heard.
I'm not arguing against modern medicine and I think you need to read a few more articles if you'd really like to know about alternative treatments. Silly is believing you know more than 10000 years of humans treating themselves without chemicals. Just because we've learned knew ways doesn't mean you should discount other treatments. As far as amounts of the active ingredients sometimes a very small amount is all that's needed. Just don't count on what the AMA says when if you used what they're saying is "unsubstantiated" because they would rather you pay them a ton of money.
1> What was the life expectancy then vs. now? A lot less but that's why I'm not arguing against modern medicine.
2> What is your agenda? I don't have an agenda but you obviously do.
3> You believe in God. WHY in the world would God give doctors & scientists the ability to discover & produce amazing new medicines? What are you talking about? I never said doctors aren't important. Why do you insist on acting like whatever I say is some kind of personal insult to you. Grow the hell up.
flan
You first, okay?
flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Bonny22Pye wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Apparently chemicals are better cause, well, science.

Ok.
Why do you keep going back to chemicals? Not all medicine is made of chemicals.
oh, yeah that's right you don't know what you are talking about because you don't know the different between homeopathy, herbal remedies, home remedies, aromatherapy and pharmaceuticals.
Yes chemicals. Manipulated substances.
Thanks for continuing to be snarky though. Loving that.
Well than write something on the topic that shows you understand what is being discussed. Which is homeopathy. Which I still don't think you understand based upon every response you've posted.

You have discounted anot her posters personal account and basically told her she was stupid too.

So it doesn't matter what anyone says, you think anyone who uses homeopathy are stupid.

Yes. I do know what it is. It is the beginning of that science you like to throw around like a lightning bolt thinking it makes you sound smart.

What you are saying is that all the herbal remedies are bunk. All the compounding is bunk.

And yes. The chemicals in most of the medicines out there are awful. If you can find something natural that works, would you not use it because it isn't what you consider science?

Thats very narrow minded if that is the case.

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Humans only had homeopathic medicines up until 200 years ago or so. If we survived that long without chemically created medicines there really has to be something to it. Not all homeopathic medicines are the same any more than all chemically created medicines are the same.
That's the silliest argument against modern medicine I've ever heard.
I'm not arguing against modern medicine and I think you need to read a few more articles if you'd really like to know about alternative treatments. Silly is believing you know more than 10000 years of humans treating themselves without chemicals. Just because we've learned knew ways doesn't mean you should discount other treatments. As far as amounts of the active ingredients sometimes a very small amount is all that's needed. Just don't count on what the AMA says when if you used what they're saying is "unsubstantiated" because they would rather you pay them a ton of money.
1> What was the life expectancy then vs. now? A lot less but that's why I'm not arguing against modern medicine.
2> What is your agenda? I don't have an agenda but you obviously do.
3> You believe in God. WHY in the world would God give doctors & scientists the ability to discover & produce amazing new medicines? What are you talking about? I never said doctors aren't important. Why do you insist on acting like whatever I say is some kind of personal insult to you. Grow the hell up.
flan
You first, okay?
flan

You try to start crap then blame me. What are you in junoir high...lol

Bonny22Pye · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Apparently chemicals are better cause, well, science.

Ok.
Why do you keep going back to chemicals? Not all medicine is made of chemicals.
oh, yeah that's right you don't know what you are talking about because you don't know the different between homeopathy, herbal remedies, home remedies, aromatherapy and pharmaceuticals.
Yes chemicals. Manipulated substances.
Thanks for continuing to be snarky though. Loving that.
Well than write something on the topic that shows you understand what is being discussed. Which is homeopathy. Which I still don't think you understand based upon every response you've posted.
You have discounted anot her posters personal account and basically told her she was stupid too.
So it doesn't matter what anyone says, you think anyone who uses homeopathy are stupid.
Yes. I do know what it is. It is the beginning of that science you like to throw around like a lightning bolt thinking it makes you sound smart.
What you are saying is that all the herbal remedies are bunk. All the compounding is bunk.
And yes. The chemicals in most of the medicines out there are awful. If you can find something natural that works, would you not use it because it isn't what you consider science?
Thats very narrow minded if that is the case.

Actually no. I've never said anything about herbal remedies being bunk or about compounding being bunk. Again you don't know the difference between an herbalist and a homeopathic doctor. Because they are two very different things.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Humans only had homeopathic medicines up until 200 years ago or so. If we survived that long without chemically created medicines there really has to be something to it. Not all homeopathic medicines are the same any more than all chemically created medicines are the same.
That's the silliest argument against modern medicine I've ever heard.
I'm not arguing against modern medicine and I think you need to read a few more articles if you'd really like to know about alternative treatments. Silly is believing you know more than 10000 years of humans treating themselves without chemicals. Just because we've learned knew ways doesn't mean you should discount other treatments. As far as amounts of the active ingredients sometimes a very small amount is all that's needed. Just don't count on what the AMA says when if you used what they're saying is "unsubstantiated" because they would rather you pay them a ton of money.
1> What was the life expectancy then vs. now? A lot less but that's why I'm not arguing against modern medicine.
2> What is your agenda? I don't have an agenda but you obviously do.
3> You believe in God. WHY in the world would God give doctors & scientists the ability to discover & produce amazing new medicines? What are you talking about? I never said doctors aren't important. Why do you insist on acting like whatever I say is some kind of personal insult to you. Grow the hell up.
flan
You first, okay?
flan

You try to start crap then blame me. What are you in junoir high...lol

Actually, I never went to JUNOIR high...

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

Hahahaha. That's what your come back is. Nothing about why everything I say is a personal insult to you? You have my attention now and we're talking so can you leave everyone else out of it? Probably not because you seem to thrive on being the cool one. Carry on.

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Humans only had homeopathic medicines up until 200 years ago or so. If we survived that long without chemically created medicines there really has to be something to it. Not all homeopathic medicines are the same any more than all chemically created medicines are the same.
That's the silliest argument against modern medicine I've ever heard.
I'm not arguing against modern medicine and I think you need to read a few more articles if you'd really like to know about alternative treatments. Silly is believing you know more than 10000 years of humans treating themselves without chemicals. Just because we've learned knew ways doesn't mean you should discount other treatments. As far as amounts of the active ingredients sometimes a very small amount is all that's needed. Just don't count on what the AMA says when if you used what they're saying is "unsubstantiated" because they would rather you pay them a ton of money.
1> What was the life expectancy then vs. now? A lot less but that's why I'm not arguing against modern medicine.
2> What is your agenda? I don't have an agenda but you obviously do.
3> You believe in God. WHY in the world would God give doctors & scientists the ability to discover & produce amazing new medicines? What are you talking about? I never said doctors aren't important. Why do you insist on acting like whatever I say is some kind of personal insult to you. Grow the hell up.
flan
You first, okay?
flan

You try to start crap then blame me. What are you in junoir high...lol

Actually, I never went to JUNOIR high...
flan

It's a real thing around here and maybe you should have gone to junior high and learned some debating skills. You do know that you have now called me a troll and a stalker which is funny because it's you acting like a troll and you're the one stalking me. Every time I try to have a discussion with someone else you have to insert yourself somehow. Why don't you just ignore me if everything I say offends you.

TOTALLY GEEKED!

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