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Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Southern_Belle wrote:
My old church had several anesthesiologists as members. If they tithed they alone could have supported the church.

This times a thousand.

The church that asked me for my 1040 told me if I had to choose between paying my portion of DD's college expenses or giving to the church, I should choose the church. Ummmm, no thanks. I will pay what I have to pay for DD's college and when I have the money I will give to the church. Since I was hourly, some months were better than others. But her college education was a priority. The church told me she should take out a loan to cover it so I could give them the money.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Divine Geek wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
I actually agree that all change is good. Eventually. We don't always see it right away, but the change is aways for the best. For example, I have been one of the ones left with out a job. Did I think that was good then? Nope, not at all. But a few years removed and in a place I am happier with, yes, it was good for me.
Well, I agree to disagree. Again, you can still grow from change that is bad. But I just don't agree that all change is good. If your spouse dies that is not a good change no matter how you spin it. There are a lot of things that we can grow from that are not good changes.
I can agree to disagree. I have to do that with many people. I've had some pretty horrible things happen in my life. I have personally chosen to look at all of those as things that helped me become the person I am today. I must have faith that everything that happens has a specific reason and purpose. I am thankful each day for my faith because I can see how people can be consumed by their demon. It is by the grace if God I am not one of them.

Maybe it's the just the wording we're disagreeing on because I seem to be getting the sense that we're pretty much saying the same thing. I know that DH and I have grown as a couple from him being laid off. We've become closer, stronger, and he's become a better and more involved father. So yes, we have grown from the experience. I don't consider his lay off a "demon". I do consider it a bad life event or a challenge. We will survive it somehow. I do agree that things happen for a reason but that doesn't make them good or right. It's how we respond to them that matters.

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Southern_Belle wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
I actually agree that all change is good. Eventually. We don't always see it right away, but the change is aways for the best. For example, I have been one of the ones left with out a job. Did I think that was good then? Nope, not at all. But a few years removed and in a place I am happier with, yes, it was good for me.
Well, I agree to disagree. Again, you can still grow from change that is bad. But I just don't agree that all change is good. If your spouse dies that is not a good change no matter how you spin it. There are a lot of things that we can grow from that are not good changes.
And give your church 10% before you pay your light bill or buy food. It's good for you.
Can I give you ten percent of all the jelly I make?

Sure, it has to be the best though. Not the rejects. It really is in the bible . Not those exact words.

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
I actually agree that all change is good. Eventually. We don't always see it right away, but the change is aways for the best. For example, I have been one of the ones left with out a job. Did I think that was good then? Nope, not at all. But a few years removed and in a place I am happier with, yes, it was good for me.
Well, I agree to disagree. Again, you can still grow from change that is bad. But I just don't agree that all change is good. If your spouse dies that is not a good change no matter how you spin it. There are a lot of things that we can grow from that are not good changes.
I can agree to disagree. I have to do that with many people. I've had some pretty horrible things happen in my life. I have personally chosen to look at all of those as things that helped me become the person I am today. I must have faith that everything that happens has a specific reason and purpose. I am thankful each day for my faith because I can see how people can be consumed by their demon. It is by the grace if God I am not one of them.
Maybe it's the just the wording we're disagreeing on because I seem to be getting the sense that we're pretty much saying the same thing. I know that DH and I have grown as a couple from him being laid off. We've become closer, stronger, and he's become a better and more involved father. So yes, we have grown from the experience. I don't consider his lay off a "demon". I do consider it a bad life event or a challenge. We will survive it somehow. I do agree that things happen for a reason but that doesn't make them good or right. It's how we respond to them that matters.

It's a test.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Southern_Belle wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Southern_Belle wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
I actually agree that all change is good. Eventually. We don't always see it right away, but the change is aways for the best. For example, I have been one of the ones left with out a job. Did I think that was good then? Nope, not at all. But a few years removed and in a place I am happier with, yes, it was good for me.
Well, I agree to disagree. Again, you can still grow from change that is bad. But I just don't agree that all change is good. If your spouse dies that is not a good change no matter how you spin it. There are a lot of things that we can grow from that are not good changes.
And give your church 10% before you pay your light bill or buy food. It's good for you.
Can I give you ten percent of all the jelly I make?
Sure, it has to be the best though. Not the rejects. It really is in the bible . Not those exact words.

I don't have rejects! Only as friends...

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Southern_Belle wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
I actually agree that all change is good. Eventually. We don't always see it right away, but the change is aways for the best. For example, I have been one of the ones left with out a job. Did I think that was good then? Nope, not at all. But a few years removed and in a place I am happier with, yes, it was good for me.
Well, I agree to disagree. Again, you can still grow from change that is bad. But I just don't agree that all change is good. If your spouse dies that is not a good change no matter how you spin it. There are a lot of things that we can grow from that are not good changes.
I can agree to disagree. I have to do that with many people. I've had some pretty horrible things happen in my life. I have personally chosen to look at all of those as things that helped me become the person I am today. I must have faith that everything that happens has a specific reason and purpose. I am thankful each day for my faith because I can see how people can be consumed by their demon. It is by the grace if God I am not one of them.
Maybe it's the just the wording we're disagreeing on because I seem to be getting the sense that we're pretty much saying the same thing. I know that DH and I have grown as a couple from him being laid off. We've become closer, stronger, and he's become a better and more involved father. So yes, we have grown from the experience. I don't consider his lay off a "demon". I do consider it a bad life event or a challenge. We will survive it somehow. I do agree that things happen for a reason but that doesn't make them good or right. It's how we respond to them that matters.
It's a test.

You failed!

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

I'm not giving it!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Southern_Belle wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Southern_Belle wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
I actually agree that all change is good. Eventually. We don't always see it right away, but the change is aways for the best. For example, I have been one of the ones left with out a job. Did I think that was good then? Nope, not at all. But a few years removed and in a place I am happier with, yes, it was good for me.
Well, I agree to disagree. Again, you can still grow from change that is bad. But I just don't agree that all change is good. If your spouse dies that is not a good change no matter how you spin it. There are a lot of things that we can grow from that are not good changes.
And give your church 10% before you pay your light bill or buy food. It's good for you.
Can I give you ten percent of all the jelly I make?
Sure, it has to be the best though. Not the rejects. It really is in the bible . Not those exact words.
I don't have rejects! Only as friends...

Hey! I resemble that remark!!!

flan

Divine Geek · Guru

It's not a demon because you don't allow it to be. I know people who the loss of their job was what started a desent into alcoholism. Which led to drugs. Which led to them not being able to get a new job. Which led to more alcohol and drugs etc.

I also have a friend that got brain cancer and was told he had months to live. Amazingly, he survived, but lost his business and his wife. However, he has become a fundraiser for cancer research and written a book about his fight.

You are correct, "good" is a common word thst can be misinterpreted. I say "change is good". But what it means is change is positive and helpful

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I don't consider death of a loved one in the same category as other life changes.

Death is death and unavoidable.

Jobs, relationships, addresses. All are changes that are good in the long range. It may not be easy to see for a while. But in the end, it usually is good.

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

Mellow Momma wrote:
Southern_Belle wrote:
My old church had several anesthesiologists as members. If they tithed they alone could have supported the church.
This times a thousand.

The church that asked me for my 1040 told me if I had to choose between paying my portion of DD's college expenses or giving to the church, I should choose the church. Ummmm, no thanks. I will pay what I have to pay for DD's college and when I have the money I will give to the church. Since I was hourly, some months were better than others. But her college education was a priority. The church told me she should take out a loan to cover it so I could give them the money.

One of the bigger churches in town requires all members to submit their 1040's. We call it the money church.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

lilyofcourse wrote:
I don't consider death of a loved one in the same category as other life changes.

Death is death and unavoidable.

Jobs, relationships, addresses. All are changes that are good in the long range. It may not be easy to see for a while. But in the end, it usually is good.

Usually is good is not always good. To say it is always good is crap. And death is change. I don't consider losing your job a good change. I don't care how many people say otherwise. I don't care how many people say "In the end it made it be a better person." Growth is one thing. Just because you grew doesn't mean that what happened wasn't bad. That's a bullcrap line people give you to try to make you think you shouldn't be upset.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

That is not the right way to deal with taxes. That's like the churches the first coloniest were trying to escape. The ones you had to pay to bea part of.

Tithes are between you and God.

And yes, if you didn't have money, you give the first of your field and such.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Southern_Belle wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Southern_Belle wrote:
My old church had several anesthesiologists as members. If they tithed they alone could have supported the church.
This times a thousand.

The church that asked me for my 1040 told me if I had to choose between paying my portion of DD's college expenses or giving to the church, I should choose the church. Ummmm, no thanks. I will pay what I have to pay for DD's college and when I have the money I will give to the church. Since I was hourly, some months were better than others. But her college education was a priority. The church told me she should take out a loan to cover it so I could give them the money.

One of the bigger churches in town requires all members to submit their 1040's. We call it the money church.

I have NEVER in my life heard of this until MM mentioned it.

Even I know what Jesus' reaction would be to any Church that did this...

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I think I am going to start yelling out the window at the homeless that change is good. Embrace it. Grow from it. I'm sure it's just their attitude that is the problem. I mean it's a GOOD thing they're homeless. It's a GOOD thing they lost their housing. Time for them to experience personal growth.

-- Edited by Nobody Just Nobody on Sunday 22nd of March 2015 05:49:26 PM

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I think I am going to start yelling out the window at the homeless that change is good. Embrace it. Grow from it. I'm sure it's just their attitude that is the problem. I mean it's a GOOD thing they're homeless. It's a GOOD thing they lost they're housing. Time for them to experience personal growth.

I'll give you a dollar if you do!

evileye

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

flan327 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I think I am going to start yelling out the window at the homeless that change is good. Embrace it. Grow from it. I'm sure it's just their attitude that is the problem. I mean it's a GOOD thing they're homeless. It's a GOOD thing they lost they're housing. Time for them to experience personal growth.
I'll give you a dollar if you do!
flan

ALL change is good right? So what if they lost their job and couldn't pay rent! Personal growth and all! SUCK IT UP! Attitude is everything. Homelessness should be teaching them something!

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

So much for trying to offer someone a few encouraging words.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I don't consider death of a loved one in the same category as other life changes.

Death is death and unavoidable.

Jobs, relationships, addresses. All are changes that are good in the long range. It may not be easy to see for a while. But in the end, it usually is good.
Usually is good is not always good. To say it is always good is crap. And death is change. I don't consider losing your job a good change. I don't care how many people say otherwise. I don't care how many people say "In the end it made it be a better person." Growth is one thing. Just because you grew doesn't mean that what happened wasn't bad. That's a bullcrap line people give you to try to make you think you shouldn't be upset.

The action may have been bad. The change is not.

I lost a job and thought my world was going to fall apart. Cried for days and worried endlessly about what I was going to do. Then I realized it was an answer to a prayer. I hated that job. would become physically sick and cry all the way to work.

Change is what occurred after the action.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Southern_Belle wrote:
So much for trying to offer someone a few encouraging words.

No kidding.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

lilyofcourse wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I don't consider death of a loved one in the same category as other life changes.

Death is death and unavoidable.

Jobs, relationships, addresses. All are changes that are good in the long range. It may not be easy to see for a while. But in the end, it usually is good.
Usually is good is not always good. To say it is always good is crap. And death is change. I don't consider losing your job a good change. I don't care how many people say otherwise. I don't care how many people say "In the end it made it be a better person." Growth is one thing. Just because you grew doesn't mean that what happened wasn't bad. That's a bullcrap line people give you to try to make you think you shouldn't be upset.
The action may have been bad. The change is not.
I lost a job and thought my world was going to fall apart. Cried for days and worried endlessly about what I was going to do. Then I realized it was an answer to a prayer. I hated that job. would become physically sick and cry all the way to work.
Change is what occurred after the action.

Well, that was YOUR case. What if you LIKED your job? What if you were happy there? What if it paid good and you didn't want to lose it? In case you didn't realize our economy is really bad right now. People are losing jobs that they like. Ones that support their families.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I think I am going to start yelling out the window at the homeless that change is good. Embrace it. Grow from it. I'm sure it's just their attitude that is the problem. I mean it's a GOOD thing they're homeless. It's a GOOD thing they lost they're housing. Time for them to experience personal growth.
I'll give you a dollar if you do!
flan
ALL change is good right? So what if they lost their job and couldn't pay rent! Personal growth and all! SUCK IT UP! Attitude is everything. Homelessness should be teaching them something!

You can either keep the dollar or give it to the homeless...

flan

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Southern_Belle wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Southern_Belle wrote:
My old church had several anesthesiologists as members. If they tithed they alone could have supported the church.
This times a thousand.

The church that asked me for my 1040 told me if I had to choose between paying my portion of DD's college expenses or giving to the church, I should choose the church. Ummmm, no thanks. I will pay what I have to pay for DD's college and when I have the money I will give to the church. Since I was hourly, some months were better than others. But her college education was a priority. The church told me she should take out a loan to cover it so I could give them the money.

One of the bigger churches in town requires all members to submit their 1040's. We call it the money church.

This was one of the bigger churches in town as well. We got the heck out of there as soon as our legs could carry us. I had never heard of such a thing. I was so repulsed I was almost nauseous.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

flan327 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I think I am going to start yelling out the window at the homeless that change is good. Embrace it. Grow from it. I'm sure it's just their attitude that is the problem. I mean it's a GOOD thing they're homeless. It's a GOOD thing they lost they're housing. Time for them to experience personal growth.
I'll give you a dollar if you do!
flan
ALL change is good right? So what if they lost their job and couldn't pay rent! Personal growth and all! SUCK IT UP! Attitude is everything. Homelessness should be teaching them something!
You can either keep the dollar or give it to the homeless...
flan

The homeless don't need my dollar. They just have a bad attitude.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Mellow Momma wrote:
Southern_Belle wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Southern_Belle wrote:
My old church had several anesthesiologists as members. If they tithed they alone could have supported the church.
This times a thousand.

The church that asked me for my 1040 told me if I had to choose between paying my portion of DD's college expenses or giving to the church, I should choose the church. Ummmm, no thanks. I will pay what I have to pay for DD's college and when I have the money I will give to the church. Since I was hourly, some months were better than others. But her college education was a priority. The church told me she should take out a loan to cover it so I could give them the money.

One of the bigger churches in town requires all members to submit their 1040's. We call it the money church.
This was one of the bigger churches in town as well. We got the heck out of there as soon as our legs could carry us. I had never heard of such a thing. I was so repulsed I was almost nauseous.

I wouldn't go there either.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I think I am going to start yelling out the window at the homeless that change is good. Embrace it. Grow from it. I'm sure it's just their attitude that is the problem. I mean it's a GOOD thing they're homeless. It's a GOOD thing they lost their housing. Time for them to experience personal growth.

-- Edited by Nobody Just Nobody on Sunday 22nd of March 2015 05:49:26 PM

But the change includes embracing it and making the best of it. Not lying down and giving up. Most people come through a job loss better off once the dust settles.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I think I am going to start yelling out the window at the homeless that change is good. Embrace it. Grow from it. I'm sure it's just their attitude that is the problem. I mean it's a GOOD thing they're homeless. It's a GOOD thing they lost their housing. Time for them to experience personal growth.

-- Edited by Nobody Just Nobody on Sunday 22nd of March 2015 05:49:26 PM
But the change includes embracing it and making the best of it. Not lying down and giving up. Most people come through a job loss better off once the dust settles.

Again, and I've said this a thousand times already, you can grow from any experience. That still does not mean what happened was "good".

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I don't consider death of a loved one in the same category as other life changes.

Death is death and unavoidable.

Jobs, relationships, addresses. All are changes that are good in the long range. It may not be easy to see for a while. But in the end, it usually is good.
Usually is good is not always good. To say it is always good is crap. And death is change. I don't consider losing your job a good change. I don't care how many people say otherwise. I don't care how many people say "In the end it made it be a better person." Growth is one thing. Just because you grew doesn't mean that what happened wasn't bad. That's a bullcrap line people give you to try to make you think you shouldn't be upset.
The action may have been bad. The change is not.
I lost a job and thought my world was going to fall apart. Cried for days and worried endlessly about what I was going to do. Then I realized it was an answer to a prayer. I hated that job. would become physically sick and cry all the way to work.
Change is what occurred after the action.

Well, that was YOUR case. What if you LIKED your job? What if you were happy there? What if it paid good and you didn't want to lose it? In case you didn't realize our economy is really bad right now. People are losing jobs that they like. Ones that support their families.

It's just one example. You seem to be taking this too personally and I understand why.

I am not going to argue with you.

Trying to offer some one an encouraging word is all I was doing.

I am sorry you are struggling with change right now. I hope and pray you see the positive in this some day.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

So DH's oldest DGD had a stroke when she was 4 months old...kinda having a problem seeing the "good" in that change.

flan

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

flan327 wrote:
So DH's oldest DGD had a stroke when she was 4 months old...kinda having a problem seeing the "good" in that change.

flan

💗

sometimes sh!t just sucks

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Mellow Momma wrote:
flan327 wrote:
So DH's oldest DGD had a stroke when she was 4 months old...kinda having a problem seeing the "good" in that change.

flan
💗

sometimes sh!t just sucks

Yep. Sometimes life does just suck. It hands you a raw deal and you roll with it. It's not fun, it's not good, and it's not happy. But you manage and cope.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I think I am going to start yelling out the window at the homeless that change is good. Embrace it. Grow from it. I'm sure it's just their attitude that is the problem. I mean it's a GOOD thing they're homeless. It's a GOOD thing they lost their housing. Time for them to experience personal growth.

-- Edited by Nobody Just Nobody on Sunday 22nd of March 2015 05:49:26 PM
But the change includes embracing it and making the best of it. Not lying down and giving up. Most people come through a job loss better off once the dust settles.
Again, and I've said this a thousand times already, you can grow from any experience. That still does not mean what happened was "good".

Not all is good. Any job loss is stressful, but once you get through it, you often times are in a better place. I would not compare a death to a job loss. I wouldn't even consider death a "change" it is much more than that.

Divine Geek · Guru

I would just like to thank you for mocking my beliefs. After we "agreed to disagree" on them

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Divine Geek wrote:
I would just like to thank you for mocking my beliefs. After we "agreed to disagree" on them

I am not mocking YOUR beliefs. I am upset that some people are insisting that I just need to change my attitude and be more happy about bad things that happen. Some bad things happen. And again, you can grow from them. But that doesn't mean it was a good experience in the end. I have grown from many experiences in my life. But they were bad experiences and I learned how to deal with them.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Divine Geek wrote:
I would just like to thank you for mocking my beliefs. After we "agreed to disagree" on them

Not sure who that is directed at, hope it wasn't me. I don't disagree with you when you are talking the extreme sense. Sometimes people do not deal with change well, they do not like being forced out of their comfort zone and become self destructive. You are not doing that. You are sucking it up, being brave and moving on. Others would not think of it as your boss keeping you and giving you a job, they would think of it as a demotion, get mad and leave, with no other job prospects. You are embracing it and the fact is, the company could do a lot better and you could quickly find yourself in a better position.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I think I am going to start yelling out the window at the homeless that change is good. Embrace it. Grow from it. I'm sure it's just their attitude that is the problem. I mean it's a GOOD thing they're homeless. It's a GOOD thing they lost their housing. Time for them to experience personal growth.

-- Edited by Nobody Just Nobody on Sunday 22nd of March 2015 05:49:26 PM
But the change includes embracing it and making the best of it. Not lying down and giving up. Most people come through a job loss better off once the dust settles.
Again, and I've said this a thousand times already, you can grow from any experience. That still does not mean what happened was "good".
Not all is good. Any job loss is stressful, but once you get through it, you often times are in a better place. I would not compare a death to a job loss. I wouldn't even consider death a "change" it is much more than that.

Sometimes you are in a better place. People who are nearing retirement and lose their jobs often can't get back what they lost. Yes, people can cope and they can deal and adjust. But to say personal growth makes the change somehow good is just not true. And yes, losing a job you hate is probably a good thing in the long run. I understand that. If you hate the job and are stressed out then it's not as big a loss as someone who loves their job and is making wonderful money. That's a bigger loss and much worse. My problem here is with people who are saying "Oh it's all good." No. Sometimes it's not. But you don't really have a choice whether or not it's good. You can either totally give up or move forward. I mean, at that point you have limited options.

Divine Geek · Guru

No, IKWTDS, it was not directed at you. Another poster said we would need to agree to disagree and then proceeded to be quite snarky in reference to my views. Fine, I'm a big girl. I can deal with that. But just because it doesn't effect me, doesn't mean it may not effect someone else that is not as secure with themselves. I think too many people forget that words - even words on a message board - can have power

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
I would just like to thank you for mocking my beliefs. After we "agreed to disagree" on them
Not sure who that is directed at, hope it wasn't me. I don't disagree with you when you are talking the extreme sense. Sometimes people do not deal with change well, they do not like being forced out of their comfort zone and become self destructive. You are not doing that. You are sucking it up, being brave and moving on. Others would not think of it as your boss keeping you and giving you a job, they would think of it as a demotion, get mad and leave, with no other job prospects. You are embracing it and the fact is, the company could do a lot better and you could quickly find yourself in a better position.

It was directed at me and I wasn't mocking her. I still agree with her and everything she said. I am disagreeing with Miss Suzy Sunshine that says the world is so wonderful and everything is good all the time. Nope, sometimes the world sucks and you deal with the cards you are dealt.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Divine Geek wrote:
No, IKWTDS, it was not directed at you. Another poster said we would need to agree to disagree and then proceeded to be quite snarky in reference to my views. Fine, I'm a big girl. I can deal with that. But just because it doesn't effect me, doesn't mean it may not effect someone else that is not as secure with themselves. I think too many people forget that words - even words on a message board - can have power

Again, I was not mocking you. Lily is telling me life is good all the time. No. Sometimes it is not. But we deal. I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself.

ladyloonatic · Regular

I think the argument IS about wording. NJN is arguing the use off the word ALL in "ALL change is good." Many of have posted that "most times..." "in most cases..." "sometimes..." Those statements all contradict the use of the term "ALL".

But, yeah, what y'all said about trying to be positive and agreeing to disagree...

MHO, completely free of charge. aww

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

ladyloonatic wrote:
I think the argument IS about wording. NJN is arguing the use off the word ALL in "ALL change is good." Many of have posted that "most times..." "in most cases..." "sometimes..." Those statements all contradict the use of the term "ALL".

But, yeah, what y'all said about trying to be positive and agreeing to disagree...

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Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I know for us DH had an excellent job that he really loved. It paid well enough to allow me to stay home. And the health insurance was fantastic. Will we weather this? Absolutely. We are fighters. He is trying to go back to college. We have become closer as a couple. But when this is all over our savings will be completely gone. Everything we had saved to buy a house will be gone. We will be starting all over. With nothing. So will we grow from this? Yes. Will we survive and gone on? Absolutely. But this isn't a good thing. Nothing about it is "good".

ladyloonatic · Regular

Well said.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
No, IKWTDS, it was not directed at you. Another poster said we would need to agree to disagree and then proceeded to be quite snarky in reference to my views. Fine, I'm a big girl. I can deal with that. But just because it doesn't effect me, doesn't mean it may not effect someone else that is not as secure with themselves. I think too many people forget that words - even words on a message board - can have power
Again, I was not mocking you. Lily is telling me life is good all the time. No. Sometimes it is not. But we deal. I don't know how many times I have to repeat myself.

No. I have not. You are the one who chooses to read it that way.

I said the action was bad. The change that comes from it is usually good.

Miss Suzy Sunshine. I kinda like that.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I know for us DH had an excellent job that he really loved. It paid well enough to allow me to stay home. And the health insurance was fantastic. Will we weather this? Absolutely. We are fighters. He is trying to go back to college. We have become closer as a couple. But when this is all over our savings will be completely gone. Everything we had saved to buy a house will be gone. We will be starting all over. With nothing. So will we grow from this? Yes. Will we survive and gone on? Absolutely. But this isn't a good thing. Nothing about it is "good".

Do you see what you have said?

You are closer, stronger. But nothing about this situation is good? That seems like a wonderful thing to me.

Like I said, I understand this is all too new for you. That you are in the thick of it right now.

I am sorry this is happening to you. I really do wish you the best.

But I was trying to be encouraging for DG. A lot of us were. That's all we were trying to do. I am sorry if that hurt you.

And I want you to know I really do want the best for you. I don't want ya'll to have to go through this hard time. I truly do pray ya'll find the silver lining to this cloud quickly.

Please know I am being sincere. No snark at all. I promise.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Not all change is good. I can't agree with that concept at all.

But, as for tithing, I had never heard of a church asking for proof of income before. And tithing is NOT a strict 10% anywhere in the Bible, it should actually be more if you have more to give. Tithing does not mean not paying your light bill or feeding your family. It means keeping only what you NEED, and being generous with the rest. Tithing is not about what the church receives, so much as about what you are giving. It may not all be to the church - you may be giving to the hungry or the homeless. But giving should be from the first fruits, and not what is left over after you do everything you want, like buy new clothes and go on vacation. Tithing should be part of the first things you pay, like rent, utilities and food.

Everyone says 10% because it's easy. But if you can easily give 10% and still live in luxury, 10% is not enough. And if you can't give 10% and eat, then 10% is too much.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Please stop Lily. You're only making it worse. As LL said not all change is good. I lived through my house catching on fire. Everyone survived. We are fine. But I don't have a single baby picture of any of my kids. Not one. Nor do any of them have a baby book. Or any mementos of childhood. Everything is gone. It can't be replaced. You can't possibly explain the good out of that situation.

Furthermore, my marriage was good to begin with. We could have continued to grow without the incredible stress that has been added. We could have become closer without going absolutely broke. But I'm sure you're going to tell me how wonderful it is and how it's gods blessing that we will end up broke. Yes, I can see the good in that.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Oh my God. I am being compassionate towards your situation. I am trying to be supportive and offer you the same encouragement I was offering DG. I'm being nice to you.

I lost all my kids hand made Christmas ornaments and several other things when a tree fell on our house. I almost lost my kids had the good Lord not shielded them. I know what loss is. Believe me. I was in a situation in which I lost my freedom. So yeah, I know loss. Do we really want to compare the tragedies in our lives? I'm sure we both would win.

Look, I wasn't trying to start anything. Still not. I can't help it if I tend to look on the bright side of things. I've learned to either look up where I am going instead of back where I have been.

This is the last I will say about it to you.

Moving on.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Okay Lily, you win. You are the bigger victim. And I don't want your phony compassion. I asked you to stop because you were being offensive and you had to one up me by saying you lost all your Christmas decorations and ALMOST lost your kids. So you win. And please, don't waste your prayers on me. I don't want them and didn't ask for them. I don't worship your god and it's offensive.