TOTALLY GEEKED!

It's funny but when SS did something like this DH just laughed it off as he's being a kid. When I read him this he said the kid was disturbed and needed serious help.

This would scare me if I was a parent. We might all have a gory side to us, I've certainly had my thoughts, but to put it out publicly? And name names? Not acceptable imo.

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In any case, I hope he gets the help he needs. He's a boy, not a man.

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 Do you really think popular and successful writers didn't start writing stories when they were kids? 

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 So if he wrote a story about the brutal sexual assault of one of your daughters you would just be lining up to congratulate him on his wonderful career choice? 

He needs help. He is disturbed. I hope he gets the help he needs before he hurts someone or hurts himself. And the bullies that he encounters are no better, but we don't have their torture manifesto as we do his, so we need to worry about him for now. 

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 His father took him and had him assessed for 2 weeks and he was released.  That was also in the OP.  So, the medical professionals did not declare him a danger, but everyone else is allowed to just because they don't like what he wrote? 

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 Yes, I saw that. It's possible that the boy is already an accomplished liar.

By all means, have your daughter sit next to him in homeroom.

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In any case, I hope he gets the help he needs. He's a boy, not a man.

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 Do you really think popular and successful writers didn't start writing stories when they were kids? 

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 So if he wrote a story about the brutal sexual assault of one of your daughters you would just be lining up to congratulate him on his wonderful career choice? 

He needs help. He is disturbed. I hope he gets the help he needs before he hurts someone or hurts himself. And the bullies that he encounters are no better, but we don't have their torture manifesto as we do his, so we need to worry about him for now. 

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 His father took him and had him assessed for 2 weeks and he was released.  That was also in the OP.  So, the medical professionals did not declare him a danger, but everyone else is allowed to just because they don't like what he wrote? 

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 Yes, I saw that. It's possible that the boy is already an accomplished liar.

By all means, have your daughter sit next to him in homeroom.

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 I see.  So that whole "the boy needs help" thing doesn't really mean he needs to be assessed to see if he needs help, but rather, tar and feather him and label him an outcast for life for writing a story that disturbs you.  The "help" part is help getting him away from others, not really seeing if he's a danger.

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The fact that he used names a real details makes it seem less like a story and more like a plan.

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 Yes. And is it really fiction? 

Sounds more like non-fiction to me. Or a manifesto of his intentions.

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 Sounds like?  That's an assumption.  You can't take action on your assumptions. 

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 Of course you can. We do it every day.

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The fact that he used names a real details makes it seem less like a story and more like a plan.

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 Yes. And is it really fiction? 

Sounds more like non-fiction to me. Or a manifesto of his intentions.

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 Sounds like?  That's an assumption.  You can't take action on your assumptions. 

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 Of course you can. We do it every day.

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 Not actions like expulsion and arresting people.

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 No, but parents are free to pull their child out of school if he or she was named in the book and they no longer feel safe.

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From another article:

"But Northwest Independent School District Superintendent Karen Rue said one thing isn’t clear. “I think what’s important for us is the question at hand – Does it fall under protected free speech or does it rise to the level of a criminal offense?” Rue said the answer to that question would be decided by law enforcement."

So it's in law enforcement's hands and they are investigating. I hope they do a very thorough job.

And even though the school says they can't legally do anything, if the perceived threat and the parents' reactions create enough disruption then they may have to act. in some way.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/03/23/texas-student-writes-book-about-torturing-killing-classmates/

School districts punish students all the time for things that happen off of school property. I have a cousin who was suspended for attending a party where alcohol was served to minors. It was not on school property and it was not a school function. If he could get suspended for that...certainly this boy should face some kind of sanctions. Although I would rather be get help.

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The fact that he used names a real details makes it seem less like a story and more like a plan.

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 Yes. And is it really fiction? 

Sounds more like non-fiction to me. Or a manifesto of his intentions.

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 Sounds like?  That's an assumption.  You can't take action on your assumptions. 

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 Of course you can. We do it every day.

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 Not actions like expulsion and arresting people.

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 No, but parents are free to pull their child out of school if he or she was named in the book and they no longer feel safe.

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 That is their choice.  Nobody has denied anybody else has that choice.  The school could also put him in a different class, but they can't expel him over it - he has just as much right to an education as anyone else, and he hasn't committed any crimes or broken any rules.  He wrote a story on his own time. 

And I really don't see where any of these parents are taking responsibility for WHY this child hates thier kids. Stop raising bullies.

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So the boy was supposedly being bullied on the bus and at school.

What was he thinking putting this on the internet? Does he think this is going to IMPROVE the way his schoolmates treat him?

Even if he is not punished for this, he has set himself up for a lot more bullying or ostracism.

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 It might.  Now he might be the one they are afraid of instead of the other way around.

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Or it could seriously backfire on him. The bullies could be assuming he's packing weapons, and start packing weapons of their own. They might ambush him when they get him alone. This could get very ugly. 

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And I really don't see where any of these parents are taking responsibility for WHY this child hates thier kids. Stop raising bullies.

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 THIS!  They are afraid for their children's safety but don't acknowledge that their own actions led to this.  Their own cruelty led to his lashing out, at least in writing. 

I truly hope this dies down quietly & does not explode with children being injured including the boy who wrote the book.

I wrote stories like this. Terribly, graphic stories. About people I didn't like. People I was mad at. Often about my sister.
I distinctly remember creating an elaborate tale at about six that included a scene where the son of a family friend (whom I was expected to be friends with, but despised, and the feeling was mutual) was split open with a table saw.
I was smart enough to 1) Hide the stories and 2) CHANGE NAMES.

And yet, I have never so much as fired a gun in my life.
ANd I haven't attacked anyone with table saws or blow torches either.

Sometimes a story is just a story.

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School districts punish students all the time for things that happen off of school property. I have a cousin who was suspended for attending a party where alcohol was served to minors. It was not on school property and it was not a school function. If he could get suspended for that...certainly this boy should face some kind of sanctions. Although I would rather be get help.

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 UNderaged drinking is a crime. Writing stories is not.

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That's for law enforcement to decide. If they see this is more than writing a book, if they see intent to harm, they can certainly do something. 

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I wrote stories like this. Terribly, graphic stories. About people I didn't like. People I was mad at. Often about my sister.
I distinctly remember creating an elaborate tale at about six that included a scene where the son of a family friend (whom I was expected to be friends with, but despised, and the feeling was mutual) was split open with a table saw.
I was smart enough to 1) Hide the stories and 2) CHANGE NAMES.

And yet, I have never so much as fired a gun in my life.
ANd I haven't attacked anyone with table saws or blow torches either.

Sometimes a story is just a story.

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 And sometimes it's not. It's very telling that he put it on the internet and that he did not change the names. The real names could make a big difference in establishing intent to harm.

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Okay, LL, I give up.

It was just a "story."

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 And how on earth do you know any different?

The boys' parents says he writes.

They say he has been encouraged to express himself through writing.

They say he has no intention of harming anyone.

The boy was evaluated by mental health professionals and released.

I will trust my own experience, the boys parents and the doctors who treated the boy over the hysteria of the parents whose kids are likely bullying this kid.

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 As MM said, we don't know what kind of treatment. He could be a skilled liar.

The point is that NONE of us knows what's in his heart, but the gruesome details do not seem healthy to me.

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 Cutting out a tongue and feeding it to a student is nowhere near healthy. Twisted and disturbed.

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School districts punish students all the time for things that happen off of school property. I have a cousin who was suspended for attending a party where alcohol was served to minors. It was not on school property and it was not a school function. If he could get suspended for that...certainly this boy should face some kind of sanctions. Although I would rather be get help.

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 UNderaged drinking is a crime. Writing stories is not.

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 But my cousin wasn't drinking. He even volunteered to take a breathalyzer and it backed him up 100%. He was not arrested nor charged with any crimes. He simply attended a party where someone ELSE was drinking. So he was punished for someone else's crime that took place off school property. And this was a public school. 

It does not say that the children who were named in the story were the same ones bullying him. We shouldn't assume they were. 

And sorry, if someone wrote a story about raping my daughter and drinking her blood...no way would I want him in her class, no matter what she said to him. If you want to make the argument that words hurt - the words from the bullies hurt this boy -- then why cant you see that his words hurt them as well?

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 I am not seeing what is stopping you from removing your child. You have every right to send your child to a different school, or teach at home.

But, I do not think the kid deserves to be expelled or suspended, or punished at all.  He should probably get a stern talk about posting that sort of thing on the internet, and about how writing about this sort of thing is fine, but the violence needs to be contained within the pages, but in general, no, I do not see him as threatening.

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School districts punish students all the time for things that happen off of school property. I have a cousin who was suspended for attending a party where alcohol was served to minors. It was not on school property and it was not a school function. If he could get suspended for that...certainly this boy should face some kind of sanctions. Although I would rather be get help.

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 UNderaged drinking is a crime. Writing stories is not.

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 But my cousin wasn't drinking. He even volunteered to take a breathalyzer and it backed him up 100%. He was not arrested nor charged with any crimes. He simply attended a party where someone ELSE was drinking. So he was punished for someone else's crime that took place off school property. And this was a public school. 

It does not say that the children who were named in the story were the same ones bullying him. We shouldn't assume they were. 

And sorry, if someone wrote a story about raping my daughter and drinking her blood...no way would I want him in her class, no matter what she said to him. If you want to make the argument that words hurt - the words from the bullies hurt this boy -- then why cant you see that his words hurt them as well?

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 When something unjust happens at one school, the unjust action should not be justification for more unjust actions.

 

Words can hurt.  But that doesn't mean you can do anything about them.  There's a lot of hurting words going around schools these days, and every day in the past.  You can't expel kids over words that hurt.

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 My point was, kids are routinely punished for things that happen off of school property. 

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Calling out the bullies and saying those parents should take responsibility for the words their kids said, because those words hurt...you need to then apply that standard to this boy as well. His words hurt too. Why is that so difficult to understand?

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 Describing a gruesome murder in detail is a bit more than just "words hurt."

And I think that standing up to bullies or ignoring them is much better advice than "Write a book in which you describe ways of killing them. Make sure the deaths are agonizing."

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Calling out the bullies and saying those parents should take responsibility for the words their kids said, because those words hurt...you need to then apply that standard to this boy as well. His words hurt too. Why is that so difficult to understand?

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 Because there is a huge difference between being upset about something you read off the internet and being the target of harrasment.

If he sent emails to all of these kids with the story attached, I might agree with you,  but otherwise you are comparing apples to oranges.

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Calling out the bullies and saying those parents should take responsibility for the words their kids said, because those words hurt...you need to then apply that standard to this boy as well. His words hurt too. Why is that so difficult to understand?

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 Because there is a huge difference between being upset about something you read off the internet and being the target of harrasment.

If he sent emails to all of these kids with the story attached, I might agree with you,  but otherwise you are comparing apples to oranges.

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 Well words spoken are just that. Something on the Internet is there forever...so there is that difference, you are right. 

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Calling out the bullies and saying those parents should take responsibility for the words their kids said, because those words hurt...you need to then apply that standard to this boy as well. His words hurt too. Why is that so difficult to understand?

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 Describing a gruesome murder in detail is a bit more than just "words hurt."

And I think that standing up to bullies or ignoring them is much better advice than "Write a book in which you describe ways of killing them. Make sure the deaths are agonizing."

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 But 1) It works just about as well and 2) It is much more satifying.

And next time you see that person it is almost funny. "Ha, maybe you think it is funny to butcher my name and twist it into something offensive, but in my last story I had a witch cut out your entrails while you were still alive, oh! And then your eyes were plucked out, and fed to you, and you were so hungry you ate them!"

I don't know, it gave me a fun little secret. And it always made me feel better. And I never laid so much as a finger on anyone.

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I wrote stories like this. Terribly, graphic stories. About people I didn't like. People I was mad at. Often about my sister.
I distinctly remember creating an elaborate tale at about six that included a scene where the son of a family friend (whom I was expected to be friends with, but despised, and the feeling was mutual) was split open with a table saw.
I was smart enough to 1) Hide the stories and 2) CHANGE NAMES.

And yet, I have never so much as fired a gun in my life.
ANd I haven't attacked anyone with table saws or blow torches either.

Sometimes a story is just a story.

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 And sometimes it's not. It's very telling that he put it on the internet and that he did not change the names. The real names could make a big difference in establishing intent to harm.

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 And where are you getting intent to harm?

Does he have a collection of scissors?

Does he have a gun?

Does he have a slurpee machine? (Oh, come on, really?  A SLURPEE machine??)

Maybe he didn't think anyone from the school would read it. Maybe he just thought it was cool and people wouldn't overreact. Maybe he wanted to freak out his bullies a bit.

There could be a hundred reasons, and I like to think that the parents and doctors are smarter than a 12 year old boy, and can tell if he is an accomplished liar or not.

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 Intent to harm is very obvious to me, especially naming true names. But that's just my opinion, and it's law enforcement's opinion that matters in this case.

Yes, chances are good he has scissors. And maybe he even has a gun. If he doesn't, he lives in Texas, so it won't be hard to get one, they practically grow on trees there. From the descriptions, though, it sounds like a gun is not his style. He'd rather do some agonizing harm with scissors and the like.

And plenty of mental health professionals are no match for a psychopathic or sociopathic kid. He could probably talk rings around them.

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Mellow Momma wrote:

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Calling out the bullies and saying those parents should take responsibility for the words their kids said, because those words hurt...you need to then apply that standard to this boy as well. His words hurt too. Why is that so difficult to understand?

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 Describing a gruesome murder in detail is a bit more than just "words hurt."

And I think that standing up to bullies or ignoring them is much better advice than "Write a book in which you describe ways of killing them. Make sure the deaths are agonizing."

flan

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 But 1) It works just about as well and 2) It is much more satifying.

And next time you see that person it is almost funny. "Ha, maybe you think it is funny to butcher my name and twist it into something offensive, but in my last story I had a witch cut out your entrails while you were still alive, oh! And then your eyes were plucked out, and fed to you, and you were so hungry you ate them!"

I don't know, it gave me a fun little secret. And it always made me feel better. And I never laid so much as a finger on anyone.

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 Another difference I notice is that in your story, you mention a witch and she does the torturing. This boy isn't using a fictional creature, he is the one doing the torturing with items he has access to. That's a HUGE difference.