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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

RE: Spain to Germany flight

Blankie · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
He was missing and out of service for 11 months. Where was he? And what was said by him in the cc k pit?

Very little. He refused to open the door to the captain. In the final minutes, the only sound coming from him was his breathing. And it was not the breathing of someone having a heart attack.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Was there animosity between him and the pilot?

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Blankie wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
He was missing and out of service for 11 months. Where was he? And what was said by him in the cc k pit?
Very little. He refused to open the door to the captain. In the final minutes, the only sound coming from him was his breathing. And it was not the breathing of someone having a heart attack.

Yep it was steady breathing just as any pilot flying would be recorded as having. He prepared himself for this.

Blankie · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Was there animosity between him and the pilot?

I can't find anything about the relationship between the captain and Lubitz. Except the account of the dialogue from the recording:

Mr. Robin drew upon the 30-minute recording, extracted from a black box recovered from the crash site Tuesday, to portray two sides of Mr. Lubitz—a man who exchanged pleasantries at the start of the flight before becoming walled off in silence.

The pivotal moment, Mr. Robin said, occurred when the captain began to discuss his plan for landing in Düsseldorf with Mr. Lubitz. The younger pilot showed no interest in the crucial procedure, Mr. Robin said, responding tersely to his captain.

“You would expect more of a dialogue to occur and not only short answers,” the prosecutor said.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

From an article on MSN:

German prosecutors revealed Friday that searches of Lubitz's homes netted "medical documents that suggest an existing illness and appropriate medical treatment", including "torn-up and current sick leave notes, among them one covering the day of the crash".

They did not specify the illness.

But Bild daily earlier reported that Lubitz sought psychiatric help for "a bout of serious depression" in 2009 and was still getting assistance from doctors, quoting documents from Germany's air transport regulator.

The paper also cited security sources as saying that Lubitz and his girlfriend were having a "serious crisis in their relationship" that left him distraught.

flan

Blankie · Guru

Sounds like some sort of depression or mental illness.

I have a hard time feeling sympathy for the guy.

Suicide by cop is bad enough. But suicide by taking down a plane? Unconscionable.

And that's how he will forever be remembered.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Blankie wrote:
Sounds like some sort of depression or mental illness.
I have a hard time feeling sympathy for the guy.
Suicide by cop is bad enough. But suicide by taking down a plane? Unconscionable.
And that's how he will forever be remembered.

I totally agree.

flan

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

I can't even imagine the horror these people felt in their last minutes.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Now they are blaming depression. So you better fear anyone who was ever depressed. They might snap.

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

That's so selfish. I'm gonna kill myself and take 149 souls with me.

Blankie · Guru

Oh that makes me so mad. This article states he was declared unfit for work by his doctor before the crash. But he is supposed to self-report that to the airline and didn't. The doctor is bound by doctor-patient confidentiality rules and cannot inform the airline.

That is bullcrap. If a doctor declares a pilot unfit to fly, there should be a mandatory reporting to the airline. What a waste of precious human lives that could have been prevented.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/28/europe/france-germanwings-plane-crash-main/index.html

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I agree completely Blankie.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

And in the US there is that reporting requirement. The Euorcontrol has quickly changed their policies this week.

Blankie · Guru

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
And in the US there is that reporting requirement. The Euorcontrol has quickly changed their policies this week.

Good. Because that is a ridiculous and insane policy. Talk about doctor/patient confidentiality running amok.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
And in the US there is that reporting requirement. The Euorcontrol has quickly changed their policies this week.

Not from what I heard on the news from all the experts. They said the only doc who has a reporting requirement is the flight doc. Someone's personal doc has no such obligation.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Mellow Momma wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
And in the US there is that reporting requirement. The Euorcontrol has quickly changed their policies this week.
Not from what I heard on the news from all the experts. They said the only doc who has a reporting requirement is the flight doc. Someone's personal doc has no such obligation.

Well yes that is correct but in the US FAA pilots have to be examined by an FAA doc and those reports are for the FAA and their licensing regs. You don't have to make your medical history public to the FAA if a pilot but then you don't fly.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

So how often does the FAA doc examine them? If you have a medical situation you would still go to your personal doc who may put you on a med that would make you unable to fly. You have to self report. The only incentive to self report right now is that IF something happens (an accident) and you didn't self report, you will be uninsurable. Small consolation if that accident was fatal.

The truth is, nothing prevents a pilot from flying if he sees his own personal doc and is diagnosed with something that would make him unfit. The pilot has to self report.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Mellow Momma wrote:
So how often does the FAA doc examine them? If you have a medical situation you would still go to your personal doc who may put you on a med that would make you unable to fly. You have to self report. The only incentive to self report right now is that IF something happens (an accident) and you didn't self report, you will be uninsurable. Small consolation if that accident was fatal.

The truth is, nothing prevents a pilot from flying if he sees his own personal doc and is diagnosed with something that would make him unfit. The pilot has to self report.

To retain your pilots licence in the US you have to go through a rigorous test, both mentally and physically frequently. The results of those tests are Gov't data, not the personal data stuff . If you don't want your personal data known, don't become a pilot that flies in the FAA controlled space.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Right - but from the time the FAA doc sees you and your next flight, all sorts of medical emergencies can happen. If you don't self report, the airlines would never know.

One of the experts on TV said the FAA doc can be easier to fool. There is no personal relationship and they don't do more than a cursory mental health question or two. They don't do extensive screening. The pilots on TV said they had never been asked any questions other than "everything ok at home?"

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well there are pros and cons. Is every pilot who ever had some depression somehow a danger now? Do we really think all these pilots have prefect stressfree lives? And clamping down makes a culturewhere they will go to even greater lengths to hide it and not get treatment.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

So if you have ever gone to your doctor for a sleeping pill,, anxiery or depression pill you will be labeled for life. What will then be considered "fit"?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

This isnt run of the mill depression. He had grandiose ideas about being remembered forever blah blah. Depressed people don't generally think like that. So depression might be concurrent or convenient but there is more going on than that.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
This isnt run of the mill depression. He had grandiose ideas about being remembered forever blah blah. Depressed people don't generally think like that. So depression might be concurrent or convenient but there is more going on than that.

He must have had some other issue. What a selfish b*stard.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
This isnt run of the mill depression. He had grandiose ideas about being remembered forever blah blah. Depressed people don't generally think like that. So depression might be concurrent or convenient but there is more going on than that.
He must have had some other issue. What a selfish b*stard.

You know, I hadn't thought of that but you're absolutely right, LGS.

"Selfish B@stard" sums it up pretty well.

flan

Blankie · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
This isnt run of the mill depression. He had grandiose ideas about being remembered forever blah blah. Depressed people don't generally think like that. So depression might be concurrent or convenient but there is more going on than that.

Well, he got his wish. He will be remembered forever as the killer of 150 people. Nice claim to fame, huh?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Blankie wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
This isnt run of the mill depression. He had grandiose ideas about being remembered forever blah blah. Depressed people don't generally think like that. So depression might be concurrent or convenient but there is more going on than that.
Well, he got his wish. He will be remembered forever as the killer of 150 people. Nice claim to fame, huh?

Only if he gets a trophy!

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Most depressed people don't want people to remember them . They dont think they are worthy of being remembered for anything. They often think they are easily forgetable.