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Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

RE: Gun control.

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I see mental illness as much greater of an issue than guns. Our country cannot accept and will not do anything for mental illness. In every single shooting the person had some kind of mental illness. I believe we need to address this.

I agree with this 1000%. If there was decent mental health care, where you could get seen and treated in your home town and not have to drive across the state, it would decrease the violence in this country.

-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Thursday 26th of March 2015 02:03:56 PM

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

This country refuses to acknowledge that mental illness is a real thing. He talks about shooting yourself when you are depressed. Except that traditionally women don't use guns to commit suicide. Generally only men. Those statistics are small. Addressing mental health would make much more sense.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Also, he says in Australia that a black market gun costs about $34,000. Um, here there are some rich criminals that would pay that easy.

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Guns have NO purpose other than to shoot and kill.

A gun is NOT a car.

flan
How about hunting? Keeping your country safe? Protection from criminals? Why do you think you get to decide?
I get to decide FOR MYSELF. I also get to have an opinion.
Please explain to me how the average Joe Schoe with a gun keeps the country safe? Is North Korea cowering in fear?
flan
No but the drugged out home invader might wish Joe Schmoe didn't have a gun. Oh and I get to have an opinion too. I'm not sure why you think just because we disagree it means I don't think you're allowed to have an opinion.
Oh, I don't know...maybe the bolded?
flan

So asking a question means I think you're not allowed to have an opinion? Boy you'll twist anything I say into an insult but I'm used to it now.

chef · Guru

I don't own guns but I'm not against them. I don't think the average citizen needs to have an automatic weapon or one capable of firing a massive amount of rounds in one load though. I think those types of weapons should require a special permit and the applicant needs to demonstrate need.

I will say that I think those who are anti-gun ought to forfeit their right to police protection. After all, if you don't want guns to exist and see no purpose for them, why in the world would you want the services of a person who has a gun?

Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Stop blaming the inanimate object and start blaming the person using it.

chef · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I see mental illness as much greater of an issue than guns. Our country cannot accept and will not do anything for mental illness. In every single shooting the person had some kind of mental illness. I believe we need to address this.
I agree with this 1000%. If there was decent mental health care, where you could get seen and treated in your home town and not have to drive across the state, it would decrease the violence in this country.

-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Thursday 26th of March 2015 02:03:56 PM

Agree with both of you.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mellow Momma wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I see mental illness as much greater of an issue than guns. Our country cannot accept and will not do anything for mental illness. In every single shooting the person had some kind of mental illness. I believe we need to address this.
I agree with this 1000%. If there was decent mental health care, where you could get seen and treated in your home town and not have to drive across the state, it would decrease the violence in this country.

-- Edited by Mellow Momma on Thursday 26th of March 2015 02:03:56 PM

Me, too. When the media and everyone blames guns on a school shooting when his mother was trying to get help regarding his mental state for years, that's a problem.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mellow Momma wrote:
I don't like guns. I don't own guns. But I support your right to own them. I just am not sure that you need to own armor piercing bullets. The "cop killer" bullets. I think those should be outlawed - not really sure what the purpose is other than to kill a cop.

And one thing I think should change ASAP - if you have a loaded gun just laying around and a small child uses it causing harm to anyone, you should get charged with a serious crime. It's irresponsible to leave loaded guns laying around the house within arms reach of children. Maybe if more people were charged with being the negligent gun owners they are, people would wake up and secure their guns.

I'm ok with both of these caveats. But, if people can't have the "cop killer" bullets - no one should have them.

I can be reasonable.

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Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I don't like guns. I don't own guns. But I support your right to own them. I just am not sure that you need to own armor piercing bullets. The "cop killer" bullets. I think those should be outlawed - not really sure what the purpose is other than to kill a cop.

And one thing I think should change ASAP - if you have a loaded gun just laying around and a small child uses it causing harm to anyone, you should get charged with a serious crime. It's irresponsible to leave loaded guns laying around the house within arms reach of children. Maybe if more people were charged with being the negligent gun owners they are, people would wake up and secure their guns.
I'm ok with both of these caveats. But, if people can't have the "cop killer" bullets - no one should have them.

I can be reasonable.

Me too!

Hey world - LL & MM just solved gun control !

Tinydancer · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I don't like guns. I don't own guns. But I support your right to own them. I just am not sure that you need to own armor piercing bullets. The "cop killer" bullets. I think those should be outlawed - not really sure what the purpose is other than to kill a cop.

And one thing I think should change ASAP - if you have a loaded gun just laying around and a small child uses it causing harm to anyone, you should get charged with a serious crime. It's irresponsible to leave loaded guns laying around the house within arms reach of children. Maybe if more people were charged with being the negligent gun owners they are, people would wake up and secure their guns.
I'm ok with both of these caveats. But, if people can't have the "cop killer" bullets - no one should have them.

I can be reasonable.
Me too!
Hey world - LL & MM just solved gun control !

I would love to see these changes made. There is a lot of things between no guns at all and allowing for reasonable requirements for owning automatic weapons or armor piercing bullets. I don't think they should be banned but maybe they should require specific training and certain eligibility requirements.

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Tinydancer wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I don't like guns. I don't own guns. But I support your right to own them. I just am not sure that you need to own armor piercing bullets. The "cop killer" bullets. I think those should be outlawed - not really sure what the purpose is other than to kill a cop.

And one thing I think should change ASAP - if you have a loaded gun just laying around and a small child uses it causing harm to anyone, you should get charged with a serious crime. It's irresponsible to leave loaded guns laying around the house within arms reach of children. Maybe if more people were charged with being the negligent gun owners they are, people would wake up and secure their guns.
I'm ok with both of these caveats. But, if people can't have the "cop killer" bullets - no one should have them.

I can be reasonable.
Me too!
Hey world - LL & MM just solved gun control !
I would love to see these changes made. There is a lot of things between no guns at all and allowing for reasonable requirements for owning automatic weapons or armor piercing bullets. I don't think they should be banned but maybe they should require specific training and certain eligibility requirements.

Then the people who meet those requirements will just sell them to the criminals. I would rather see them outlawed. What the heck does someone need them for? Not shooting deer!

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
This country refuses to acknowledge that mental illness is a real thing. He talks about shooting yourself when you are depressed. Except that traditionally women don't use guns to commit suicide. Generally only men. Those statistics are small. Addressing mental health would make much more sense.

My ex (the one who was bipolar and refused medication and therapy) had a brother that was seriously messed up. Severe anxiety, and paranoid, always talking about how "The apocalypse", and how "The PEOPLE need to be ready to take down the man!" stuff like that. He hated all cops with a passion, and was convinced the government was spying on him.

And he owned 28 guns.

I hated visiting him. I never, ever felt safe around him. I am always waiting tto hear about him in the news, waiting to hear that he has finally snapped and gone after someone.

I think it is INSANE that a person like that can legally own so many guns. Mentally ill people do not need gun, and I feel much less safe knowing there are people like him out there.

Tinydancer · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I don't like guns. I don't own guns. But I support your right to own them. I just am not sure that you need to own armor piercing bullets. The "cop killer" bullets. I think those should be outlawed - not really sure what the purpose is other than to kill a cop.

And one thing I think should change ASAP - if you have a loaded gun just laying around and a small child uses it causing harm to anyone, you should get charged with a serious crime. It's irresponsible to leave loaded guns laying around the house within arms reach of children. Maybe if more people were charged with being the negligent gun owners they are, people would wake up and secure their guns.
I'm ok with both of these caveats. But, if people can't have the "cop killer" bullets - no one should have them.

I can be reasonable.
Me too!
Hey world - LL & MM just solved gun control !
I would love to see these changes made. There is a lot of things between no guns at all and allowing for reasonable requirements for owning automatic weapons or armor piercing bullets. I don't think they should be banned but maybe they should require specific training and certain eligibility requirements.
Then the people who meet those requirements will just sell them to the criminals. I would rather see them outlawed. What the heck does someone need them for? Not shooting deer!

I was thinking of the military and cops mostly (there may be others) but it they should be restricted a hell of a lot more than they are right now.

burns07 · Guru

well, they're pushing open carry pretty hard here--am not certain it's necessary and, quite frankly, think it's a bit overboard in the other direction from the anti-gun people--am honestly not sure I'd feel safe with some of the folks around here openly carrying firearms ( even if I decided to carry again myself )--the truth is, some people should not have access to firearms--period

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mellow Momma wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I don't like guns. I don't own guns. But I support your right to own them. I just am not sure that you need to own armor piercing bullets. The "cop killer" bullets. I think those should be outlawed - not really sure what the purpose is other than to kill a cop.

And one thing I think should change ASAP - if you have a loaded gun just laying around and a small child uses it causing harm to anyone, you should get charged with a serious crime. It's irresponsible to leave loaded guns laying around the house within arms reach of children. Maybe if more people were charged with being the negligent gun owners they are, people would wake up and secure their guns.
I'm ok with both of these caveats. But, if people can't have the "cop killer" bullets - no one should have them.

I can be reasonable.
Me too!
Hey world - LL & MM just solved gun control !
I would love to see these changes made. There is a lot of things between no guns at all and allowing for reasonable requirements for owning automatic weapons or armor piercing bullets. I don't think they should be banned but maybe they should require specific training and certain eligibility requirements.
Then the people who meet those requirements will just sell them to the criminals. I would rather see them outlawed. What the heck does someone need them for? Not shooting deer!

Then they become liable for the actions done with the guns they illegally sold. Just like bars become liable when they over-serve and drunks kill others.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
This country refuses to acknowledge that mental illness is a real thing. He talks about shooting yourself when you are depressed. Except that traditionally women don't use guns to commit suicide. Generally only men. Those statistics are small. Addressing mental health would make much more sense.
My ex (the one who was bipolar and refused medication and therapy) had a brother that was seriously messed up. Severe anxiety, and paranoid, always talking about how "The apocalypse", and how "The PEOPLE need to be ready to take down the man!" stuff like that. He hated all cops with a passion, and was convinced the government was spying on him.
And he owned 28 guns.
I hated visiting him. I never, ever felt safe around him. I am always waiting tto hear about him in the news, waiting to hear that he has finally snapped and gone after someone.

I think it is INSANE that a person like that can legally own so many guns. Mentally ill people do not need gun, and I feel much less safe knowing there are people like him out there.

When I went for my concealed carry permit, they asked whether I had ever been treated for a mental illness and I had to sign an affidavit I had not. People with mental illnesses should not be able to get guns, so LYING about it should be a felony punishable very harshly.

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Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I don't like guns. I don't own guns. But I support your right to own them. I just am not sure that you need to own armor piercing bullets. The "cop killer" bullets. I think those should be outlawed - not really sure what the purpose is other than to kill a cop.

And one thing I think should change ASAP - if you have a loaded gun just laying around and a small child uses it causing harm to anyone, you should get charged with a serious crime. It's irresponsible to leave loaded guns laying around the house within arms reach of children. Maybe if more people were charged with being the negligent gun owners they are, people would wake up and secure their guns.
I'm ok with both of these caveats. But, if people can't have the "cop killer" bullets - no one should have them.

I can be reasonable.
Me too!
Hey world - LL & MM just solved gun control !
I would love to see these changes made. There is a lot of things between no guns at all and allowing for reasonable requirements for owning automatic weapons or armor piercing bullets. I don't think they should be banned but maybe they should require specific training and certain eligibility requirements.
Then the people who meet those requirements will just sell them to the criminals. I would rather see them outlawed. What the heck does someone need them for? Not shooting deer!
Then they become liable for the actions done with the guns they illegally sold. Just like bars become liable when they over-serve and drunks kill others.

Agreed!!

See how easy this is?!

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
It's like you people are a whole different species.

This IS how Americans are perceived by many other countries.

flan

Who cares? That factor is not at all important in any way whatsoever. I can't believe anyone would think it is.

huskerbb · Guru

The main problem with the gun control nuts is two fold.

A. They freak the fvck out about guns and completely fail to recognize nuances of any situation. For example, they fail to make any distinction between an urban area that despite relatively low percentages of gun ownership is riddled with gangs, drugs, and violence, and rural areas where gun ownership and hunting are a way of life and DESPITE very high percentages of gun ownership there are relatively few gun crimes.

B. 90% of what they propose in the way of gun control would have almost ZERO effect on gun crimes. Again, for example, after Sandy Hook they wanted a ban on AR-15's and AR-15 ammo--when it's HANDGUNS that are used in 95% of all gun crimes.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
It's like you people are a whole different species.

This IS how Americans are perceived by many other countries.

flan
Who cares? That factor is not at all important in any way whatsoever. I can't believe anyone would think it is.

Hi husker!!!!

Believe it. An outside perspective can be educational.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

This country was started by people who fled Europe because of their ways. And Australia started as a penal colony. I really don't care what any of them think.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
It's like you people are a whole different species.

This IS how Americans are perceived by many other countries.

flan
Who cares? That factor is not at all important in any way whatsoever. I can't believe anyone would think it is.
Hi husker!!!!
Believe it. An outside perspective can be educational.
flan

BS. Not when they are trying to tell us how to run our country. Wars are started and fought over that.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I think the OP is funny.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
I think the OP is funny.

flan

If you think so.

I'm not so sure a guy getting beat up and tied up while his girlfriend gets raped is all that humorous, but I guess if he sees the humor in it, maybe we all should.

That said, it should probably be taken as a joke, and not as anything serious that should affect any particular policy in the U.S.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

I've pretty liberal and all for gun rights. The idea of the government telling me I can't have one is bull ****. Now I have no problem with people having to pass a guns safety course to buy one.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I think the OP is funny.

flan
If you think so.

I'm not so sure a guy getting beat up and tied up while his girlfriend gets raped is all that humorous, but I guess if he sees the humor in it, maybe we all should.

That said, it should probably be taken as a joke, and not as anything serious that should affect any particular policy in the U.S.

Where in the world are you getting that?

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I think the OP is funny.

flan
If you think so.

I'm not so sure a guy getting beat up and tied up while his girlfriend gets raped is all that humorous, but I guess if he sees the humor in it, maybe we all should.

That said, it should probably be taken as a joke, and not as anything serious that should affect any particular policy in the U.S.
Where in the world are you getting that?
flan

flan, he states that's what happened. It's also stated in the article that goes with the video.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I also think the mental illness thing needs to be looked at. Some people have situational depression. They lose their parents in a tragic car accident and become depressed. They take antidepressants for two years and then work through it. Does that mean they're a danger to society? I can't believe they would be. But they have been diagnosed as having a mental illness so they would be unable to even get a handgun.

ed11563 · Guru

flan327 wrote:
I think the OP is funny.

flan

He IS a comedian, he IS funny.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I think the OP is funny.

flan
If you think so.

I'm not so sure a guy getting beat up and tied up while his girlfriend gets raped is all that humorous, but I guess if he sees the humor in it, maybe we all should.

That said, it should probably be taken as a joke, and not as anything serious that should affect any particular policy in the U.S.
Where in the world are you getting that?
flan

??? Um, from the guy.

huskerbb · Guru

Also, he states that he doesn't think a gun would have done him any good.

Again, so what? I'd like my chances a hell of a lot better with one than without--and he doesn't know for sure that it wouldn't have made a difference for him, either.

Even if it doesn't do me any good--I'd still be no worse off than not having one.

In short, there is virtually zero downside to gun ownership.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

He said he kept all his guns locked in a safe too. And slept with the windows open because it was hot. He kept them locked up because he didn't want one on the dresser laying around. But the thing is you don't LEAVE it laying around. I know people who sleep with them under their pillow or within reach when they sleep. When they get up the gun goes back on their hip. They don't just go make coffee and leave the gun lying in plain sight.

The problem is this guy SOUNDS reasonable but it's not that cut and dry.

huskerbb · Guru

I'm not that scared of anyone breaking in.

I just don't see why gun ownership is such a frickin' huge issue for some people. It's no more an issue than owning a car or a coffee maker.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I think the OP is funny.

flan
If you think so.

I'm not so sure a guy getting beat up and tied up while his girlfriend gets raped is all that humorous, but I guess if he sees the humor in it, maybe we all should.

That said, it should probably be taken as a joke, and not as anything serious that should affect any particular policy in the U.S.
Where in the world are you getting that?
flan
??? Um, from the guy.

Sorry, I had to read it a third time, but to be clear, this is what was said:

his girlfriend was threatened with rape

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
I'm not that scared of anyone breaking in.

I just don't see why gun ownership is such a frickin' huge issue for some people. It's no more an issue than owning a car or a coffee maker.

I must have missed those news stories about a child killing a sibling because of an unsecured coffeemaker...

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
I'm not that scared of anyone breaking in.

I just don't see why gun ownership is such a frickin' huge issue for some people. It's no more an issue than owning a car or a coffee maker.

See we do agree about some things husker. Just wanted to point that out. Should I save you from flan now because you two are disagreeing? I think that's the way it goes around here.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

So sorry to disappoint you. I respect husker, have for years.

flan

ed11563 · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I'm not that scared of anyone breaking in.

I just don't see why gun ownership is such a frickin' huge issue for some people. It's no more an issue than owning a car or a coffee maker.
See we do agree about some things husker. Just wanted to point that out. Should I save you from flan now because you two are disagreeing? I think that's the way it goes around here.

If Husker ever needs to be saved, I'm sure he's quite capable of saving himself.

Divine Geek · Guru

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I'm not that scared of anyone breaking in.

I just don't see why gun ownership is such a frickin' huge issue for some people. It's no more an issue than owning a car or a coffee maker.
I must have missed those news stories about a child killing a sibling because of an unsecured coffeemaker...
flan

A child could easily scald themselves by pulling a full coffee pot from a counter. Or get cut on the glass. Or a head injury if it were to land on their head.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Divine Geek wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I'm not that scared of anyone breaking in.

I just don't see why gun ownership is such a frickin' huge issue for some people. It's no more an issue than owning a car or a coffee maker.
I must have missed those news stories about a child killing a sibling because of an unsecured coffeemaker...
flan
A child could easily scald themselves by pulling a full coffee pot from a counter. Or get cut on the glass. Or a head injury if it were to land on their head.

Actually this is all true. And I would wager to bet happens a lot more than we realize. The media just doesn't cover it.

Vette · Owl drink to that!

I'm kind of confused because I'm bipolar type 1 and I own two guns. Never had to answer a mental health question.

ed11563 · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Divine Geek wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I'm not that scared of anyone breaking in.

I just don't see why gun ownership is such a frickin' huge issue for some people. It's no more an issue than owning a car or a coffee maker.
I must have missed those news stories about a child killing a sibling because of an unsecured coffeemaker...
flan
A child could easily scald themselves by pulling a full coffee pot from a counter. Or get cut on the glass. Or a head injury if it were to land on their head.
Actually this is all true. And I would wager to bet happens a lot more than we realize. The media just doesn't cover it.

Kids get killed more by heavy TV's that fall off of carts. Especially in schools, where big heavy televisions are wheeled around on 5 foot high carts.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

ed11563 wrote:
Kids get killed more by heavy TV's that fall off of carts. Especially in schools, where big heavy televisions are wheeled around on 5 foot high carts.

Those things just aren't covered by the media. And if they are it's a blip on the screen and everyone shakes their heads and says how sad and goes on. When a child is shot it becomes NATIONAL coverage and experts are called out and all sorts of things happen. There are millions, I would wager to bet, of children injured every day in some sort of preventable home accident.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

VetteGirl wrote:
I'm kind of confused because I'm bipolar type 1 and I own two guns. Never had to answer a mental health question.

Do you simply own guns, or do you have a concealed carry permit?

ed11563 · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Kids get killed more by heavy TV's that fall off of carts. Especially in schools, where big heavy televisions are wheeled around on 5 foot high carts.

Those things just aren't covered by the media. And if they are it's a blip on the screen and everyone shakes their heads and says how sad and goes on. When a child is shot it becomes NATIONAL coverage and experts are called out and all sorts of things happen. There are millions, I would wager to bet, of children injured every day in some sort of preventable home accident.

Shortly after I moved to New York, I saw a newspaper article (in the summer, I think) about the fact that, year to date, a dozen children had been shot in the city.

Then crack cocaine hit the city...

A few years later, it was 2 to 3 kids a WEEK getting shot. Gang shootings, drug dealers shooting at each other, drive-by shootings hitting bystanders, other incidents where someone was deliberately shooting at people...

and probably a few little kids finding a relative's pistol.

Of course, not all of them were killed.

Southern_Belle · Nothing's Impossible

They ask a mental health question on our permit application. I can't remember exactly what it was.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I'm not that scared of anyone breaking in.

I just don't see why gun ownership is such a frickin' huge issue for some people. It's no more an issue than owning a car or a coffee maker.
I must have missed those news stories about a child killing a sibling because of an unsecured coffeemaker...
flan

You also must have missed all the stories about people getting killed in car accidents.

The FACT is that children getting accidentally killed with firearms is exceedingly RARE. It barely even registers as a cause of accidental death for children. It is way below car accidents, accidental drownings, poisonings, etc...

A gun is an OBJECT. Those who think it is such a big deal to own one are just nuts. If you don't want to own one, then don't. There is no law that says you have to.

ed11563 · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I'm not that scared of anyone breaking in.

I just don't see why gun ownership is such a frickin' huge issue for some people. It's no more an issue than owning a car or a coffee maker.
I must have missed those news stories about a child killing a sibling because of an unsecured coffeemaker...
flan
You also must have missed all the stories about people getting killed in car accidents.

The FACT is that children getting accidentally killed with firearms is exceedingly RARE. It barely even registers as a cause of accidental death for children. It is way below car accidents, accidental drownings, poisonings, etc...

A gun is an OBJECT. Those who think it is such a big deal to own one are just nuts. If you don't want to own one, then don't. There is no law that says you have to.

"children getting accidentally killed with firearms is exceedingly RARE."

Does this include New York City?

huskerbb · Guru

ed11563 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
I'm not that scared of anyone breaking in.

I just don't see why gun ownership is such a frickin' huge issue for some people. It's no more an issue than owning a car or a coffee maker.
I must have missed those news stories about a child killing a sibling because of an unsecured coffeemaker...
flan
You also must have missed all the stories about people getting killed in car accidents.

The FACT is that children getting accidentally killed with firearms is exceedingly RARE. It barely even registers as a cause of accidental death for children. It is way below car accidents, accidental drownings, poisonings, etc...

A gun is an OBJECT. Those who think it is such a big deal to own one are just nuts. If you don't want to own one, then don't. There is no law that says you have to.

"children getting accidentally killed with firearms is exceedingly RARE."
Does this include New York City?

It includes everywhere. It's been steady at roughly 60 per year for the entire U.S. for the last decade or more. Given the number of kids and number of guns--that's a low number.

Sure, for the families involved--even ONE is too many, but about seven HUNDRED die in accidental drownings per year, most in backyard pools--but no one is freaking out about those.