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flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

RE: Big Gay Hate Machine closes Christian Pizzaria

Mary Zombie · Guru

Oh FFS.
It would be STUPID to try and force someone to provide a service to you especially involving food.
Heard of what goes on in restaurants when difficult customers send things back?
Who wants to force someone to provide half azzed service?
Oh wait...

WYSIWYG · Guru

That "hate, intolerance and discrimination".

Comical really.

- lilyofcourse

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What is comical about "hate, intolerance and discrimination"?

Mary Zombie · Guru

So that would mean a gay baker cannot refuse to bake a cake for a known gay discriminator right?
See.....this is where I have trouble with it.
Where do you draw the line?

Tinydancer · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
That "hate, intolerance and discrimination".

Comical really.

- lilyofcourse

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What is comical about "hate, intolerance and discrimination"?

You mouth the words of tolerance but unless I believe exactly as you all I feel is the hate, intolerance, and discrimination. Blind people never see what they're doing.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

WYSIWYG wrote:
That "hate, intolerance and discrimination".

Comical really.

- lilyofcourse

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What is comical about "hate, intolerance and discrimination"?

I simply love how you only pull out sound bites.

Context my dear, context.

What I posted was

"Ah. There it is again.

That "hate, intolerance and discrimination".

Comical really.

I don't see a lot of love, tolerance or nondiscrimination coming from the gay agenda that would sue a business owner for standing firm on his beliefs.

Once again, when you begin limiting religious freedom of one religion, you are limiting religious freedom for all religions."

If you are going to play the game. Play the game.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

DH and I bought our wedding rings online. They were about a hundred dollars a piece. Pretty cheap. They came from Wal-Mart but we fell in love with the design. But they are gold plated. And they often gave me issues because of my metal allergies. So DH sent me to look for a jeweler who could make a copy of them. We have a really high end jeweler here in town. I went in and showed the lady my ring and asked her if it was something they could duplicate. She looked at me and said, "We don't deal in costume jewelry. We only handle the real thing. Maybe you could find someone at the food court at the mall to look at it and see if they can find something similar. I hear those little kiosks sell costume jewelry." I told her I wasn't looking for cheap and she had missed the whole point and then walked out. We've never been back and I will bad mouth them till the day I die. I'm sure they have plenty of rich people who are willing to pay their ridiculous prices and put up with their snobbery. But it's not me. I refuse to shop there. I guess what I should have done was immediately sued to try to force them to make a ring of my choosing. They were, after all, discriminating against me because they thought I was poor.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
There is a ton of religious freedom, but now it is considered discrimination to refuse service based off sexual orientation.
Grow up and deal with it.

You realize it is counter-productive? The more you push and force, the more backlash and pushback you will get? The more you try to erode religious freedoms over this, the more you will create resentment. Force has never been the way to win friends and influence people. Especially when you are assuming one group's rights trump another - they don't.

burns07 · Guru

Grow up and deal with it.
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consider your own advice--LL has rather elegantly explained the hierarchy or rights in our country germane to this issue--perhaps you should grow up and deal with it

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

burns07 wrote:

Grow up and deal with it.
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consider your own advice--LL has rather elegantly explained the hierarchy or rights in our country germane to this issue--perhaps you should grow up and deal with it

Why are some people scared of change? Because a book tells them to be?

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Why do you want to erode basic rights guaranteed by the constitution?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Maybe it's not change. Maybe they believe what they believe and have strong convictions. What's wrong with believing in something? You have to stand for something or you'll fall for anything.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Why do you want to erode basic rights guaranteed by the constitution?

The Constitution has amendments, you realize...

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Maybe it's not change. Maybe they believe what they believe and have strong convictions. What's wrong with believing in something? You have to stand for something or you'll fall for anything.

I do stand for something: the right of 2 consenting adults to get married & spend the rest of their lives together.

What if homosexuality was the standard and heterosexuality was considered...well, you can fill in the blank, I think.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Why do you want to erode basic rights guaranteed by the constitution?
The Constitution has amendments, you realize...
flan

Yes. I do.

And nd you are one of the biggest "it can't happen here" people I have ever met.

But then you turn around and say things like this.

You know WHY those things in other countries don't happen here?

Because of those amendments.

There can not be that much disconnect that you can not connect the dots.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Maybe it's not change. Maybe they believe what they believe and have strong convictions. What's wrong with believing in something? You have to stand for something or you'll fall for anything.
I do stand for something: the right of 2 consenting adults to get married & spend the rest of their lives together.
What if homosexuality was the standard and heterosexuality was considered...well, you can fill in the blank, I think.
flan

They have that privilege. NO ONE has that right.

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Maybe it's not change. Maybe they believe what they believe and have strong convictions. What's wrong with believing in something? You have to stand for something or you'll fall for anything.
I do stand for something: the right of 2 consenting adults to get married & spend the rest of their lives together.
What if homosexuality was the standard and heterosexuality was considered...well, you can fill in the blank, I think.
flan

But it's not and there's a reason. Not one single person here said they didn't have a right to be together. What we are all saying is that we have the right not to participate in any aspect of it if we so choose. So until you can pass an amendment to the Constitution you just have to live with it. Why do you believe what you stand for is anymore important than what I stand for?

burns07 · Guru

I do stand for something: the right of 2 consenting adults to get married & spend the rest of their lives together.
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so what ? the overwhelming majority of humans on this planet feel the same way--provided it is a man and a woman, not two homosexuals

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Maybe it's not change. Maybe they believe what they believe and have strong convictions. What's wrong with believing in something? You have to stand for something or you'll fall for anything.
I do stand for something: the right of 2 consenting adults to get married & spend the rest of their lives together.
What if homosexuality was the standard and heterosexuality was considered...well, you can fill in the blank, I think.
flan
But it's not and there's a reason. Not one single person here said they didn't have a right to be together. What we are all saying is that we have the right not to participate in any aspect of it if we so choose. So until you can pass an amendment to the Constitution you just have to live with it. Why do you believe what you stand for is anymore important than what I stand for?

Because she believes her beliefs are MORE important and MORE right than the other side. And since she believes it, it should be so. To hell with what others think or feel. They have no rights. Nor do they have a right to their feelings.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

If there IS a God, I do not believe he would create people whose sexual orientation would lead to them being discriminated against, reviled, and even killed.

flan

burns07 · Guru

I do not believe he would create people whose sexual orientation would lead to them being discriminated against, reviled, and even killed.
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again, it isn't about what YOU believe at all

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

burns07 wrote:

I do not believe he would create people whose sexual orientation would lead to them being discriminated against, reviled, and even killed.
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again, it isn't about what YOU believe at all

No, it's ONLY about what YOU believe.

flan

burns07 · Guru

No, it's ONLY about what YOU believe.
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no, it's about what the BUSINESS OWNERS believe ( or not )

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
If there IS a God, I do not believe he would create people whose sexual orientation would lead to them being discriminated against, reviled, and even killed.

flan

Do you not understand what free will is?

Personal responsibilty?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

free will
noun
: the ability to choose how to act

: the ability to make choices that are not controlled by fate or God
Is It 'Attorney Generals' Or 'Attorneys General'? »
Full Definition of FREE WILL

1
: voluntary choice or decision <I do this of my own free will>
2
: freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention

We have this. God made sure of it.

This gives us the responsibility for our own actions.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Flan. We have free will. Without free will we can't freely choose to love or freely choose to sin.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
burns07 wrote:

Grow up and deal with it.
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consider your own advice--LL has rather elegantly explained the hierarchy or rights in our country germane to this issue--perhaps you should grow up and deal with it
Why are some people scared of change? Because a book tells them to be?
flan

Not all change is good. And that "book" is the word of God.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
burns07 wrote:

Grow up and deal with it.
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consider your own advice--LL has rather elegantly explained the hierarchy or rights in our country germane to this issue--perhaps you should grow up and deal with it
Why are some people scared of change? Because a book tells them to be?
flan
Not all change is good. And that "book" is the word of God.

It's a good book.

There are other good books.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Huh?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Huh?

Every religion has their own Book.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Huh?
Every religion has their own Book.
flan

The major religions all have very similar books - at least as far as the Old Testament is concerned.

WYSIWYG · Guru

I simply love how you only pull out sound bites.

Context my dear, context.

What I posted was

"Ah. There it is again.

That "hate, intolerance and discrimination".

Comical really.

I don't see a lot of love, tolerance or nondiscrimination coming from the gay agenda that would sue a business owner for standing firm on his beliefs.

Once again, when you begin limiting religious freedom of one religion, you are limiting religious freedom for all religions."

If you are going to play the game. Play the game.

- lilyofcourse
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My question still stands, context hasn't changed it. What's comical about hate, intolerance and discrimination?

Jesus commanded that we love one another. I don't think it's comical when people are hateful, intolerant or discriminatory in His name, I think it's quite sad actually.

I would be the last person to suggest limiting religious freedom. I think everyone should have religious freedom, but their religious freedom should apply to them only and not interfere with how they interact publicly with others, especially if they open a public business that serves the public in general.

WYSIWYG · Guru

Not all change is good. And that "book" is the word of God. - Lawyerlady

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But the catch is that the Bible is interpreted differently by each and every Denomination as well as by each individual person that believes it to be God's word. Some believe it to be God's message alone, word for word, and perfect. Whereas others believe it to be heavily inspired by God, but colored by the men that actually put pen to paper.

Look at the two of us. We disagree on whether we, as a people and as a country, should love, respect, and tolerate them or shun, discriminate against, and not tolerate them. Yet our source is the very same book.

huskerbb · Guru

Then that isn't freedom, at all.

huskerbb · Guru

That's also very hypocritical since you WANT gay people to have freedoms that definitely affect other people.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

WYSIWYG wrote:
Not all change is good. And that "book" is the word of God. - Lawyerlady

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But the catch is that the Bible is interpreted differently by each and every Denomination as well as by each individual person that believes it to be God's word. Some believe it to be God's message alone, word for word, and perfect. Whereas others believe it to be heavily inspired by God, but colored by the men that actually put pen to paper.

Look at the two of us. We disagree on whether we, as a people and as a country, should love, respect, and tolerate them or shun, discriminate against, and not tolerate them. Yet our source is the very same book.

I haven't seen one post in this entire ten page thread where anyone said they wanted to shun, not tolerate, or discriminate against them. Not one person I've seen has said they are not deserving of respect. I'm not sure where you got that.

WYSIWYG · Guru

Then that isn't freedom, at all. - huskerbb

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Have you ever heard the expression "Your freedom to swing your fist ends just before your fist hits my nose"? Freedom isn't limitless. Otherwise it wouldn't be freedom, it would be anarchy.

WYSIWYG · Guru

I haven't seen one post in this entire ten page thread where anyone said they wanted to shun, not tolerate, or discriminate against them. Not one person I've seen has said they are not deserving of respect. I'm not sure where you got that. - Nobody Just Noboby

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I guess I misinterpreted the suggestions that gay people shouldn't be served if the people in the business disagree with their choice in a marriage partner. To me that is the very definition of shun, not tolerating and being discriminatory.

Maybe I misunderstood. Help me understand how that is showing love respect and tolerance.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

No one here, not one person, said they shouldn't be served. If they come into a restaurant they should be, and deserve to be, served. Participating in a ceremony by providing a service is a different thing entirely than serving a meal. I didn't think something that basic needed explanation.

WYSIWYG · Guru

Participating in a ceremony by providing a service is a different thing entirely than serving a meal. I didn't think something that basic needed explanation.
- Nobody Just Nobody

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Providing a service that a person's business provides isn't "participating in a ceremony". I didn't think something that basic needed explanation.

But that evades the question. How is not providing the service that a business provides every other customer anything but shunning, discriminatory and intolerant; how does it show love, respect and tolerance?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

No explanation will be good enough for you.

WYSIWYG · Guru

No explanation will be good enough for you. - Nobody Just Nobody

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Any explanation that describes how shunning, discrimination, and intolerance is actually love, acceptance and tolerance would suffice. Or are you suggesting that such an explanation is impossible, because you know that they are opposites?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I know no such thing. Your mind is made up. You see it as shunning and discrimination. I do not. Period. End of story.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

WYSIWYG wrote:
Not all change is good. And that "book" is the word of God. - Lawyerlady

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But the catch is that the Bible is interpreted differently by each and every Denomination as well as by each individual person that believes it to be God's word. Some believe it to be God's message alone, word for word, and perfect. Whereas others believe it to be heavily inspired by God, but colored by the men that actually put pen to paper.

Look at the two of us. We disagree on whether we, as a people and as a country, should love, respect, and tolerate them or shun, discriminate against, and not tolerate them. Yet our source is the very same book.

Nobody said anybody should be shunned or discriminated against. We should love everybody. You simply seem to think that love means you have to participate in and condone sin. You do not. And if you try to say it's not a sin, you are ignoring parts of the Bible.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

WYSIWYG wrote:
I simply love how you only pull out sound bites.

Context my dear, context.

What I posted was

"Ah. There it is again.

That "hate, intolerance and discrimination".

Comical really.

I don't see a lot of love, tolerance or nondiscrimination coming from the gay agenda that would sue a business owner for standing firm on his beliefs.

Once again, when you begin limiting religious freedom of one religion, you are limiting religious freedom for all religions."

If you are going to play the game. Play the game.

- lilyofcourse
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My question still stands, context hasn't changed it. What's comical about hate, intolerance and discrimination?

Jesus commanded that we love one another. I don't think it's comical when people are hateful, intolerant or discriminatory in His name, I think it's quite sad actually.

I would be the last person to suggest limiting religious freedom. I think everyone should have religious freedom, but their religious freedom should apply to them only and not interfere with how they interact publicly with others, especially if they open a public business that serves the public in general.

Funny as in strange, not haha funny.

and the ones being intolerant, discriminating and hating are those targeting Christian businesses and those saying the Christians are the ones guilty of the exact same thing they are doing.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Then that isn't freedom, at all.

You are free to practice your religion. Well, except when you are not .

Tinydancer · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
No explanation will be good enough for you. - Nobody Just Nobody

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Any explanation that describes how shunning, discrimination, and intolerance is actually love, acceptance and tolerance would suffice. Or are you suggesting that such an explanation is impossible, because you know that they are opposites?

You obviously haven't read the Bible very carefully if you believe that is the only message Jesus had. So we should give love, acceptance, and tolerance to every one? I myself know quite a few people that will never get any of those three things from me. Think about this statement and then read the Bible again with your agenda left out of it. If you willing participate in sin you are going against the parts of the Bible you conveniently leave out.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Some mistake love for "high fiving" everything everyone does. Is it love to let your child do things that are harmful? Is it love to never correct someone going down the wrong path? That is the opposite of love.

WYSIWYG · Guru

Nobody said anybody should be shunned or discriminated against. We should love everybody. You simply seem to think that love means you have to participate in and condone sin. You do not. And if you try to say it's not a sin, you are ignoring parts of the Bible. - Lawyerlady

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They haven't? You must have missed all the agreement here with the bakery denying a wedding cake and the pizzeria saying they wouldn't cater a gay wedding. To me that's discriminating and shunning.

Who asked anyone to participate in or condone sin? Providing a baked good for a public party where no sex, gay or otherwise, will be occurring is not participating in or condoning sin.

We agree that the Bible says male on male sex is a sin. I suppose that's something.

WYSIWYG · Guru

You obviously haven't read the Bible very carefully if you believe that is the only message Jesus had. So we should give love, acceptance, and tolerance to every one? I myself know quite a few people that will never get any of those three things from me. Think about this statement and then read the Bible again with your agenda left out of it. If you willing participate in sin you are going against the parts of the Bible you conveniently leave out. - Tinydancer

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I've read it quite carefully, and quite often. Thank you very much.

Jesus had many messages. None of them that I recall were about shunning or intolerance though. Would you care to reference one that was?