TOTALLY GEEKED!

It's up to $807,000.

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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I don't get why it is okay to refuse service to someone because they are gay. It was decided long ago that race, disability, religion and ethnicity are not acceptable reason for refusing service, and yeah, I think it is high time gender and sexual orientation are mandated across the board as well.
Just do your freaking job, and stop caring so much about what private parts people have and what they do with them and with whom.
While nothing justifies the threats these people faced, I am so sick of this whole battle. Pizza is a dumb pawn in the moralizing game, as is cake.

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It is not ok to refuse service to someone because they are gay.  But it IS ok to refuse to cater an EVENT they don't agree with.  They wouldn't have to cater a democratic convention, or a KKK meeting, or a black panther rally, either.

Exactly. If a black man walked in and you refused to serve him a pizza - that's discrimination. If you refuse to deliver pizzas to a black panther MEETING, that is not.

flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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I don't get why it is okay to refuse service to someone because they are gay. It was decided long ago that race, disability, religion and ethnicity are not acceptable reason for refusing service, and yeah, I think it is high time gender and sexual orientation are mandated across the board as well.
Just do your freaking job, and stop caring so much about what private parts people have and what they do with them and with whom.
While nothing justifies the threats these people faced, I am so sick of this whole battle. Pizza is a dumb pawn in the moralizing game, as is cake.

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It is not ok to refuse service to someone because they are gay.  But it IS ok to refuse to cater an EVENT they don't agree with.  They wouldn't have to cater a democratic convention, or a KKK meeting, or a black panther rally, either.

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Oh, ffs.

flan 

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 That pretty much sums up how I feel about people being forced to take part in other people's weddings against their will.

Delivering a cake does NOT equal being "forced to take part in a wedding".

flan

LOLOLOL

flan

Not all religions forbid second marriages.

The baker not only delivered my cake, but took a good hour setting it up and then helped set up the rest of the reception.

What about caterers? Should they have to go and serve? They are pretty involved at receptions.

Right now there is an out for churches, but how long will that last?

Erosion is slow and takes a while to be recognized for what it is.

This is why people get upset.
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no--I get upset because homosexuality is repulsive to me as a MAN--forget the moral considerations for a moment--I object to homosexuality on a fundamental, visceral level as a MAN, let alone the moral implications of aiding and abetting the practice

Some places serve the wedding cake as a part of the cake baking thing.

Singling out the one sin you don't like over all the others seems a bit...discriminatory.
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but it doesn't make a damn what YOU think--their religious objections, their values, their morals are UP TO THEM--not to YOU and certainly not to the government

We served our own cake...

flan

Why? If that is what they want, why not? Why is it offensive? Bet it was better than the "wedding chicken" usually served.

We had a cook out. Burgers and dogs on the grill.

Do you find that offensive too?

VetteGirl wrote:

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It was sarcasm lily.

*eyeroll* <------that was not.

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 Oh. Sorry. You said TBH. So I thought you were serious. 

Mellow Momma wrote:

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I don't remember seeing the baker or the cake box at our wedding or any other wedding I have been at. The baker arrives at the venue hours before anyone else, and drops off the cake. Done.

A baker in Georgia said on the news today she would serve an aldulterer but not a gay couple because being gay is a "different kind of sin". This is why people get upset. Singling out the one sin you don't like over all the others seems a bit...discriminatory. If it was all about religion, that would be one thing. But when they claim religion and then willingly serve aldulterer and second marriages, their claims lose merit.

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 I think the adulterer question is a stupid red herring.  How the hell would she know if she was serving an adulterer?  That's not something most people go about announcing, or are proud of.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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You know, if you announce you're having an affair you get what you deserve.

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 Yes. Most adulterers like to keep that secret. It's kind of a messy thing to explain.

WYSIWYG wrote:

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How were the owners of the pizzeria wrong? They stated their beliefs when asked. Why is that wrong?

And, loving one another is not synonymous with condoning sin.

-chef

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They were wrong in that their denial of service shows that they don't love their fellow man. You can't show love by bigotry or discrimination. Exclusion is the very antithesis of love. Inclusion, on the other hand, shows love.

I don't see anyone asking them to condone anything. Sin or otherwise. It is possible to provide a service without condoning the acts or actions of the person requesting the service.

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 They were asked a question and they answered honestly. How is that excluding anyone? Geez the things people say to support the unsupportable.

WYSIWYG wrote:

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How can you say that? Everyone here is saying homosexuals shouldn't have to hide who they are. They shouldn't have to keep their mouths shut about what they believe in and what they are. But Christians should? Christians should hide what they believe? Christians need to keep their religion secret to appease everyone else? Why is there such a double standard?

- Nobody Just Nobody
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Christians shouldn't hide their beliefs. No believers of any religion should. That doesn't mean that they should discriminate though, nor does it mean that should be allowed to.

What's wrong with "I disagree with your choice, but I will happily provide my service, that I provide for everyone, for you because my religion teaches us to love each other, and part of loving each other is respecting the differences that make us all unique".

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 Give me a break. That is not what the bible teaches. If you don't want to follow the bible and prefer to create your own religion you are certainly welcome to do so but please don't try to pass it off as my religion because that's just not true.

WYSIWYG wrote:

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I don't remember seeing the baker or the cake box at our wedding or any other wedding I have been at. The baker arrives at the venue hours before anyone else, and drops off the cake. Done.

A baker in Georgia said on the news today she would serve an aldulterer but not a gay couple because being gay is a "different kind of sin". This is why people get upset. Singling out the one sin you don't like over all the others seems a bit...discriminatory. If it was all about religion, that would be one thing. But when they claim religion and then willingly serve aldulterer and second marriages, their claims lose merit.

- Mellow Momma
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Well said. And that's a large part of many people's problem with this particular exclusion. Use of "it's a sin" when they make cakes for other sinners.

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 I think the difference is that adultery, second marriage, etc are sins that can be repented for and forgiven, moved on from. Whereas something like being gay is a sin that people don't ask for forgiveness They keep living it day to day. 

I am not yay or nay for the topic of this thread, just giving my thoughts on the above statements.

-- Edited by VetteGirl on Friday 3rd of April 2015 10:48:36 PM

flan327 wrote:

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Aren't we ALL sinners?

flan

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 Yes,  but some people repent of their sins and some don't

flan327 wrote:

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Aren't we ALL sinners?

flan

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 We're all sinners but if you're not repentant of your sins then what's the point of defining sin in the first place? I'll follow my conscience on this one and you follow yours. That's the difference. I want you to follow your own conscience but you want me to follow yours.  

Give me a break. That is not what the bible teaches. If you don't want to follow the bible and prefer to create your own religion you are certainly welcome to do so but please don't try to pass it off as my religion because that's just not true.

- Tinydancer
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It's what my Bible teaches. Can we quote scripture here? On the hope that we can;

John 13:34 "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another."
Philippians 2:3-4 "Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others."
1 John 14:11 "Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another."

There are many others, but these will suffice to say that indeed the Bible I learned from did include it.

And if you question what love is or means, I direct you to 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 "4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away."

I think that says it pretty well.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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You are picking and choosing the verses you like. It doesn't work that way.

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That's what everyone here does.

flan 

Matthew 22:36-40New International Version (NIV)

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”