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flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

RE: Big Gay Hate Machine closes Christian Pizzaria

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

- See more at: http://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment1.html#sthash.qT8DQIYg.dpuf

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Not baking a cake for a gay couple because it is against your religion is your RIGHT as an American.

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Definition of hypocrite:

Hypocrisy is the claim or pretense of holding beliefs, feelings, standards, qualities, opinions, behaviors, virtues, motivations, or other characteristics that one does not actually hold.

flan

Exactly. You're inclusive for everyone but Christians. The definition of hypocrisy because you spout inclusion but want Christians to change for your reasons. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

chef · Guru

flan327 wrote:
chef, I respect your beliefs. I just disagree.

flan

Awesome!

So ... I ask again ...

Why is the homosexual's want of a cake, flowers, whatever more important than a Christian's Constitutionally protected right to freedom of religion?

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
chef, I respect your beliefs. I just disagree.

flan

It's not just her beliefs. It's her constitutionally protected RIGHT. HUGE difference...

Tinydancer · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
chef, I respect your beliefs. I just disagree.

flan
It's not just her beliefs. It's her constitutionally protected RIGHT. HUGE difference...

They keep forgetting this in all their arguments. It's a Constitutionally protected right. So until it's a Constitutional right to get any cake you want from any person you want you just sound like a hypocrite.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

You know Flan won't be back until someone says something she can just agree with.

Or she comes up with what she thinks is a clever come back.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

I just don't think there is a way to convince someone of the other side of this argument. When debating faith its not about facts and you can't really argue that.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

This isn't about Faith.

This is about a constitutional right being stripped away.

That effects every single person no matter their Faith.

Blankie · Guru

Bonny22Pye wrote:
I just don't think there is a way to convince someone of the other side of this argument. When debating faith its not about facts and you can't really argue that.

No end to the argument. Because they are arguing human rights against freedom of religion. Both are extremely important and real button-pushers.

Personally, I think human rights trumps freedom of religion.

Ohfour · Hooker

Blankie wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
I just don't think there is a way to convince someone of the other side of this argument. When debating faith its not about facts and you can't really argue that.
No end to the argument. Because they are arguing human rights against freedom of religion. Both are extremely important and real button-pushers.
Personally, I think human rights trumps freedom of religion.

Well, fortunately, the Constitution disagrees with you...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Blankie wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
I just don't think there is a way to convince someone of the other side of this argument. When debating faith its not about facts and you can't really argue that.
No end to the argument. Because they are arguing human rights against freedom of religion. Both are extremely important and real button-pushers.
Personally, I think human rights trumps freedom of religion.

Freedom of religion IS a human right in this country. Requiring someone's service at your wedding is not.

Tinydancer · Guru

Oops quoted the wrong post.

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Monday 6th of April 2015 02:19:37 PM

Bonny22Pye · Guru

Blankie wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
I just don't think there is a way to convince someone of the other side of this argument. When debating faith its not about facts and you can't really argue that.
No end to the argument. Because they are arguing human rights against freedom of religion. Both are extremely important and real button-pushers.
Personally, I think human rights trumps freedom of religion.

They do when physical harm is being done. Like you can't be a satanist and say a human sacrifice is part of your religious service and get away with it.

I don't think a cake is a human right. Its a luxury item.

Tinydancer · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
You know Flan won't be back until someone says something she can just agree with.

Or she comes up with what she thinks is a clever come back.

Unless I misspell something then she'll be all over that...lol

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

lilyofcourse wrote:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

- See more at: http://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment1.html#sthash.qT8DQIYg.dpuf

And here is where we disagree.

Making a cake for anyone is not against any religious laws I can think of. I mean, really.

There are many examples in the Bible of Jesus mingling with sinners, yet it is against your religion to make a cake for a particular group of sinners? Really?

Bottom line: some people just find the idea of gay sex icky, and it has very little to do with religion at all.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

- See more at: http://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment1.html#sthash.qT8DQIYg.dpuf
And here is where we disagree.
Making a cake for anyone is not against any religious laws I can think of. I mean, really.
There are many examples in the Bible of Jesus mingling with sinners, yet it is against your religion to make a cake for a particular group of sinners? Really?
Bottom line: some people just find the idea of gay sex icky, and it has very little to do with religion at all.

Of course Jesus mingled with sinners - we are all sinners. That doesn't mean he would have celebrated a same-sex wedding or baked them a cake.

I have family that are alcoholics. I see them and spend time with them and love them. But I don't buy them alcohol.

edited for "would" vs. "wouldn't"

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Monday 6th of April 2015 02:59:58 PM

Ohfour · Hooker

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

- See more at: http://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment1.html#sthash.qT8DQIYg.dpuf
And here is where we disagree.
Making a cake for anyone is not against any religious laws I can think of. I mean, really.
There are many examples in the Bible of Jesus mingling with sinners, yet it is against your religion to make a cake for a particular group of sinners? Really?
Bottom line: some people just find the idea of gay sex icky, and it has very little to do with religion at all.

No but some people believe that by making a wedding cake for a wedding they don't approve of is approval. And you don't get to decide what beliefs are OK and which ones are not.

And it's not about disobeying religious laws. It's about freedom to exercise.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

- See more at: http://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment1.html#sthash.qT8DQIYg.dpuf
And here is where we disagree.
Making a cake for anyone is not against any religious laws I can think of. I mean, really.
There are many examples in the Bible of Jesus mingling with sinners, yet it is against your religion to make a cake for a particular group of sinners? Really?
Bottom line: some people just find the idea of gay sex icky, and it has very little to do with religion at all.
Of course Jesus mingled with sinners - we are all sinners. That doesn't mean he wouldn't have celebrated a same-sex wedding or baked them a cake.
I have family that are alcoholics. I see them and spend time with them and love them. But I don't buy them alcohol.

He MINGLED. He didn't go into the whorehouse and participate...

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Buying alcohol for alcoholics is not the same as baking a cake. That is a silly analogy, and you know it.

Sure, in this particular case, the pizza place was unfairly targeted, and nothing at all justifies the threats made against them.
But in general, get over yourselves. Politely serving you customers regardless of faith or sexual orientation will not harm you. It won't.
If you have a problem with gay sex, don't have it or watch the porn. Pretty simple, really.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

- See more at: http://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment1.html#sthash.qT8DQIYg.dpuf
And here is where we disagree.
Making a cake for anyone is not against any religious laws I can think of. I mean, really.
There are many examples in the Bible of Jesus mingling with sinners, yet it is against your religion to make a cake for a particular group of sinners? Really?
Bottom line: some people just find the idea of gay sex icky, and it has very little to do with religion at all.
Of course Jesus mingled with sinners - we are all sinners. That doesn't mean he wouldn't have celebrated a same-sex wedding or baked them a cake.
I have family that are alcoholics. I see them and spend time with them and love them. But I don't buy them alcohol.
He MINGLED. He didn't go into the whorehouse and participate...

Well, I am not saying they have to help them consummate the marriage.

Ohfour · Hooker

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

- See more at: http://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment1.html#sthash.qT8DQIYg.dpuf
And here is where we disagree.
Making a cake for anyone is not against any religious laws I can think of. I mean, really.
There are many examples in the Bible of Jesus mingling with sinners, yet it is against your religion to make a cake for a particular group of sinners? Really?
Bottom line: some people just find the idea of gay sex icky, and it has very little to do with religion at all.
Of course Jesus mingled with sinners - we are all sinners. That doesn't mean he wouldn't have celebrated a same-sex wedding or baked them a cake.
I have family that are alcoholics. I see them and spend time with them and love them. But I don't buy them alcohol.
He MINGLED. He didn't go into the whorehouse and participate...
Well, I am not saying they have to help them consummate the marriage.

But you are asking them to have a hand in a sacrament that they hold dearly, but they feel is being used as a mockery.

Blankie · Guru

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

- See more at: http://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment1.html#sthash.qT8DQIYg.dpuf
And here is where we disagree.
Making a cake for anyone is not against any religious laws I can think of. I mean, really.
There are many examples in the Bible of Jesus mingling with sinners, yet it is against your religion to make a cake for a particular group of sinners? Really?
Bottom line: some people just find the idea of gay sex icky, and it has very little to do with religion at all.

I think that is the bottom line. And the truth of the matter.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Ohfour wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

- See more at: http://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment1.html#sthash.qT8DQIYg.dpuf
And here is where we disagree.
Making a cake for anyone is not against any religious laws I can think of. I mean, really.
There are many examples in the Bible of Jesus mingling with sinners, yet it is against your religion to make a cake for a particular group of sinners? Really?
Bottom line: some people just find the idea of gay sex icky, and it has very little to do with religion at all.
Of course Jesus mingled with sinners - we are all sinners. That doesn't mean he wouldn't have celebrated a same-sex wedding or baked them a cake.
I have family that are alcoholics. I see them and spend time with them and love them. But I don't buy them alcohol.
He MINGLED. He didn't go into the whorehouse and participate...
Well, I am not saying they have to help them consummate the marriage.
But you are asking them to have a hand in a sacrament that they hold dearly, but they feel is being used as a mockery.

Marriage as an institution has long been a mockery in this country. The gays did not cause that, nor are they worsening it. That is a bullst!t reason, and you know it.

Tinydancer · Guru

So now you get to decide why we are against gay marriage? Am I allowed to believe anything I do about my religion that you don't agree with. Yes I find gay sex icky because I'm straight. My reasons are all about what the Bible says whether you want to believe it or not.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Because some people don't hold marriage in high regard - nobody is allowed to? That's ridiculous. Marriage is not a mockery - I take my vows very seriously.

Ohfour · Hooker

No its not at all. My BIL got married. We did not attend his wedding. We did not send a gift. We don't agree with it, therefore, we did not have any part of it...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

It's amazing that people want to dictate others religious beliefs. Wow.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
It's amazing that people want to dictate others religious beliefs. Wow.

Those tolerant liberals and all... confuse

Tinydancer · Guru

Inclusion for everyone but those that believe differently. That's not really inclusion at all.

Blankie · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
No its not at all. My BIL got married. We did not attend his wedding. We did not send a gift. We don't agree with it, therefore, we did not have any part of it...

That's sad.

Ohfour · Hooker

Blankie wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
No its not at all. My BIL got married. We did not attend his wedding. We did not send a gift. We don't agree with it, therefore, we did not have any part of it...
That's sad.

We still love him, and he knows it. We just disagree with him marrying his partner. I take marriage seriously, and do not like the mockery that's being made now-a-days...

Tinydancer · Guru

Blankie wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
No its not at all. My BIL got married. We did not attend his wedding. We did not send a gift. We don't agree with it, therefore, we did not have any part of it...
That's sad.

It's sad that she's following her convictions? No what's sad is having no convictions at all. Everything must be accepted according to your way of thinking and there are just too many things I'll never agree with.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I just seriously want to know if there is any religious right that some certain people will back. Don't be closed on Sundays, don't refuse service in a same-sex marriage, don't take your religious holidays off work, don't dare express your religious views at work.

What exactly do some think freedom of religion is? Simply not getting beheaded because of it?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
I just seriously want to know if there is any religious right that some certain people will back. Don't be closed on Sundays, don't refuse service in a same-sex marriage, don't take your religious holidays off work, don't dare express your religious views at work.

What exactly do some think freedom of religion is? Simply not getting beheaded because of it?

Good questions. What DOES religious freedom look like then? You can't express it at work. You can't talk about it. You can't take a stand based on what you believe. So what does religious freedom mean then?

Tinydancer · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I just seriously want to know if there is any religious right that some certain people will back. Don't be closed on Sundays, don't refuse service in a same-sex marriage, don't take your religious holidays off work, don't dare express your religious views at work.

What exactly do some think freedom of religion is? Simply not getting beheaded because of it?
Good questions. What DOES religious freedom look like then? You can't express it at work. You can't talk about it. You can't take a stand based on what you believe. So what does religious freedom mean then?

They don't want religious freedom. They want freedom from religion and they think that's the same thing.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Quite frankly, I just think some of them hate freedom of religion rights simply because they have no real faith of their own. They hate what they don't understand.

And that is what it is - HATE. INTOLERANCE. BIGOTRY. All those things they accuse others of.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Forget about the cake and the Christian.

Bigger picture people.

Ya'll get so stuck you can't see the forest for trees.

This is a case of a religious based business, doesn't matter what religion, being put out of business because of its belief.

Forget the denomination, brand, flavor, branch, type or anything else.

No matter if you believe the same way or not.

The Constitutional RIGHT of religious freedom has been compromised.

This isn't JUST about Christianity. It's about ALL religion.

Each and every religion, no matter what it is, will suffer from this erosion.

The same amendment also guarantees free speach. The two are woven together like a blanket.

This not about a pizza, cake or homosexual right or wrong.

It's about losing basic rights. But all anyone can think about is that cake.

Sad really.

Lindley · Guru

If you even mention God Some will go into a frenzy. They attacked Hobby Lobby because of birth control. Nevermind that they paid their employees more then Wal-Mart/taget does and provides Ins. I never in my whole life would expect someone else pays for my birth control They scream for gov and others to stay out of their reproductive rights and expect someone to pay for it. I don't think it would have been a issue if the store wasn't owned by Christians. I doubt that they would have even raised a peep if A Muslim,or any other religion refused them service.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

True. The pin hole they are looking through is focused solely on Christians. They can not see how basic rights are being eroded.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And Lindley, I LOVE your yellow tulips.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Blankie wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
I just don't think there is a way to convince someone of the other side of this argument. When debating faith its not about facts and you can't really argue that.
No end to the argument. Because they are arguing human rights against freedom of religion. Both are extremely important and real button-pushers.
Personally, I think human rights trumps freedom of religion.

Of course it does.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Quite frankly, I just think some of them hate freedom of religion rights simply because they have no real faith of their own. They hate what they don't understand.

And that is what it is - HATE. INTOLERANCE. BIGOTRY. All those things they accuse others of.

Go look in the mirror.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

lilyofcourse wrote:
You know Flan won't be back until someone says something she can just agree with.

Or she comes up with what she thinks is a clever come back.

Bwwaaahaaahaaaaaa.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lily,

Maybe if you used A BIGGER FONT?

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
You know Flan won't be back until someone says something she can just agree with.

Or she comes up with what she thinks is a clever come back.
Bwwaaahaaahaaaaaa.