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WYSIWYG · Guru

RE: Mary Kay Letourneau 20 yrs later.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I think Lillys point is Ok what now? Should she go commit hari kari? Should her daughters stop talking to her? Should there be no life now or what?
This....what do you want them to do now???

Well, first, how the hell is she tutoring and teaching piano if she's a registered sex offender. Second - she should have lost all rights to those daughters when they were born, and third - she should never have been allowed near him again as a condition of her release. I can't believe how badly she screwed up this kid's life.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I thonk the question is Can she or her family ever be allowed to move beyond the past and live today? And if he doesn't want to be with her he may certainly leave.
Sure--if they quit going on TV for interviews. Absent that, I never would have given them another thought.

That's a good point. Just quietly go about living your life.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I think Lillys point is Ok what now? Should she go commit hari kari? Should her daughters stop talking to her? Should there be no life now or what?
This....what do you want them to do now???
Well, first, how the hell is she tutoring and teaching piano if she's a registered sex offender. Second - she should have lost all rights to those daughters when they were born, and third - she should never have been allowed near him again as a condition of her release. I can't believe how badly she screwed up this kid's life.

Rapists have fought for and won visitation with the kids they created during rape.

Again. She paid the penalty set forth by the court. It's over.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I think Lillys point is Ok what now? Should she go commit hari kari? Should her daughters stop talking to her? Should there be no life now or what?
This....what do you want them to do now???
Well, first, how the hell is she tutoring and teaching piano if she's a registered sex offender. Second - she should have lost all rights to those daughters when they were born, and third - she should never have been allowed near him again as a condition of her release. I can't believe how badly she screwed up this kid's life.

This. So this. And Bonny is right. If she were a man people would look at her in disgust. She would have suffered a lot more. She took advantage of this kid, and quite frankly it sounds as if she still is. I was in my late 30's before I was finally able to completely shake the ties and effects of the childhood I had lived. And I had years and years and years of supportive and understanding help. The only help this kid got wasn't helpful. As an adult survivor he has all the qualities of still being a "victim" so to speak.

Yeah, she did serve her time. But if she had been a man her sentence would have been worse tenfold.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

And they go on tv BRAGGING about it. Talking about how great it is. Wonderful, let's give molesters and impressionable young kids that this is okay and normal and it will all be happily ever after.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
And they go on tv BRAGGING about it. Talking about how great it is. Wonderful, let's give molesters and impressionable young kids that this is okay and normal and it will all be happily ever after.

In fairness he did say it was wrong & he was against kids dating older people. I think he is coming to terms with his situation. I wouldn't be surprised if he leaves her.

Ohfour · Hooker

She did her time. She should be free to do whatever she wants.

I'm one of the few that disagree with the registering of sex offenders. If they are still a threat, they should stay in jail.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lexxy wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
And they go on tv BRAGGING about it. Talking about how great it is. Wonderful, let's give molesters and impressionable young kids that this is okay and normal and it will all be happily ever after.
In fairness he did say it was wrong & he was against kids dating older people. I think he is coming to terms with his situation. I wouldn't be surprised if he leaves her.

I was never sexually abused but I went through severe physical, emotional, and mental abuse as a kid. He NEEDS to leave her. I don't think people realize just HOW devastating and long lasting the affects of abuse are.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
And they go on tv BRAGGING about it. Talking about how great it is. Wonderful, let's give molesters and impressionable young kids that this is okay and normal and it will all be happily ever after.
In fairness he did say it was wrong & he was against kids dating older people. I think he is coming to terms with his situation. I wouldn't be surprised if he leaves her.
I was never sexually abused but I went through severe physical, emotional, and mental abuse as a kid. He NEEDS to leave her. I don't think people realize just HOW devastating and long lasting the affects of abuse are.

I hear you. And there are many predators like her out there that have an eye for victims & just zero in on their trauma.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Ohfour wrote:
She did her time. She should be free to do whatever she wants.

I'm one of the few that disagree with the registering of sex offenders. If they are still a threat, they should stay in jail.

Sorry Oh4 I think you are in the minority on this one. I do think the system needs to tweaked & have a brief description of the crime. Or at least list the age of the minor. There is a big difference between a middle age man fooling around with a yo & an 18 yo having sex with his 15 yo GF.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Ohfour wrote:
She did her time. She should be free to do whatever she wants.

I'm one of the few that disagree with the registering of sex offenders. If they are still a threat, they should stay in jail.

I agree. Registering as a sex offender for some things is ridiculous.

Lindley · Guru

I agree if it was a 18/20 yr old with a 17 year old but if it is with a child they are usually never cured. I want them to stay away from children. Her included.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Thanks Lexxy. I just see so much WRONG with this. Everyone is saying, "No big deal. She served her time." Yet she wants to go back into teaching? OMG what if the dude leaves her? Where do you think her next victim will come from? Let's review a couple of FACTS. When she met this kid she was MARRIED! You know, legally. To a grown man. If their marriage was that bad she should have spent her time fixing it or filing for divorce. You deal with one relationship before you start another. END OF STORY. But instead she had to rut like pig. Because having sex with a 13 year old fixes everything in your life! And don't tell me she didn't know this was wrong. Why didn't she seek out counseling? Because she wanted what she wanted consequences be damned. Which means she's selfish. And I really don't like selfish people.

I know some 13 year olds. They're cute kids. And that's just what they are. My SS is TEN. Not that far off. I can't even imagine. A 13 year olds life is so much different than an adults. He even said that. He said none of his friends could relate to him at 13/14. Why? Because they weren't married to old women! A 13 year old needs time to grow up and live. I can't imagine going to bed at night with a 13 year old. What do you talk about? Hey, did you do all your homework? Do you have practice in the morning? Do you have a game on Friday? How IS Junior High? Do you want me to talk to your math teacher about your work? I sit next to her in the teachers lounge. Maybe we could come up with some extra credit project to pull your grade up. Hey, when you get to High School can we go to prom together?

It's INSANE! And they say all the kids are "just fine with it". What else are they supposed to say? Are they supposed to start crying when their mom tells the camera crew to shove a camera in their face an interview them? Has anyone really asked THEM how or what they think or feel?

The whole thing is disgusting. And I don't care if she "paid her price".

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I think Lillys point is Ok what now? Should she go commit hari kari? Should her daughters stop talking to her? Should there be no life now or what?
This....what do you want them to do now???
Well, first, how the hell is she tutoring and teaching piano if she's a registered sex offender. Second - she should have lost all rights to those daughters when they were born, and third - she should never have been allowed near him again as a condition of her release. I can't believe how badly she screwed up this kid's life.

Once he became an adult, no one could really stop him from seeing her. She should never be allowed to teach again, though, and she should remain on the registry.

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huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
She did her time. She should be free to do whatever she wants.

I'm one of the few that disagree with the registering of sex offenders. If they are still a threat, they should stay in jail.

It's not always clear who will reoffend and who won't. People need to be able to protect themselves.

Ohfour · Hooker

huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
She did her time. She should be free to do whatever she wants.

I'm one of the few that disagree with the registering of sex offenders. If they are still a threat, they should stay in jail.
It's not always clear who will reoffend and who won't. People need to be able to protect themselves.

But why is there not a murderer registry? A burglar one? A DUI one?

I just believe that if they are still considered dangerous they should be kept in jail...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
She did her time. She should be free to do whatever she wants.

I'm one of the few that disagree with the registering of sex offenders. If they are still a threat, they should stay in jail.
It's not always clear who will reoffend and who won't. People need to be able to protect themselves.
But why is there not a murderer registry? A burglar one? A DUI one?
I just believe that if they are still considered dangerous they should be kept in jail...

Sex offenders are a special breed. Their recidivism rate is higher than any other crime, but you can't punish ALL of them forever because many repeat offend.

I do not think all sex crimes should be on the registry. I think only those with victims under 15 or forcible rape offenders.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Also, 99.9% of doctors will tell you that sex offenders CANNOT be rehabilitated. They just can't. Other crimes have a higher success rate of being able to retrain them or whatever the word is.

Ohfour · Hooker

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Also, 99.9% of doctors will tell you that sex offenders CANNOT be rehabilitated. They just can't. Other crimes have a higher success rate of being able to retrain them or whatever the word is.

Then keep them in jail. If they are threat, they need to be locked up.

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
She did her time. She should be free to do whatever she wants.

I'm one of the few that disagree with the registering of sex offenders. If they are still a threat, they should stay in jail.
It's not always clear who will reoffend and who won't. People need to be able to protect themselves.
But why is there not a murderer registry? A burglar one? A DUI one?
I just believe that if they are still considered dangerous they should be kept in jail...

Again, it is not always clear who remains a danger.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Also, 99.9% of doctors will tell you that sex offenders CANNOT be rehabilitated. They just can't. Other crimes have a higher success rate of being able to retrain them or whatever the word is.
Then keep them in jail. If they are threat, they need to be locked up.

We cannot lock someone up and throw away the key for crimes they might commit. And we still have to contend with "cruel and unusual punishment" under the constitution. Is is fair to lock someone up forever for one offense because they might do it again?

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Also, 99.9% of doctors will tell you that sex offenders CANNOT be rehabilitated. They just can't. Other crimes have a higher success rate of being able to retrain them or whatever the word is.
Then keep them in jail. If they are threat, they need to be locked up.
We cannot lock someone up and throw away the key for crimes they might commit. And we still have to contend with "cruel and unusual punishment" under the constitution. Is is fair to lock someone up forever for one offense because they might do it again?

Child molestation should be a life sentence offense. We let murderers out without having to be on a list.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Also, 99.9% of doctors will tell you that sex offenders CANNOT be rehabilitated. They just can't. Other crimes have a higher success rate of being able to retrain them or whatever the word is.
Then keep them in jail. If they are threat, they need to be locked up.
We cannot lock someone up and throw away the key for crimes they might commit. And we still have to contend with "cruel and unusual punishment" under the constitution. Is is fair to lock someone up forever for one offense because they might do it again?
Child molestation should be a life sentence offense. We let murderers out without having to be on a list.

Murder is very rarely a repeated offense. Only in cases of serial killers is it common to repeat - and we don't let them out. But, I don't really think murderers should ever get out - I actually think more of them should get the death penalty.

huskerbb · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Also, 99.9% of doctors will tell you that sex offenders CANNOT be rehabilitated. They just can't. Other crimes have a higher success rate of being able to retrain them or whatever the word is.
Then keep them in jail. If they are threat, they need to be locked up.
We cannot lock someone up and throw away the key for crimes they might commit. And we still have to contend with "cruel and unusual punishment" under the constitution. Is is fair to lock someone up forever for one offense because they might do it again?
Child molestation should be a life sentence offense. We let murderers out without having to be on a list.

That's how you get a 19 year old rotting in prison for having sex with his 15 year old girlfriend. Should he have done it? No, but that doesn't mean he deserves prison for life.

Ohfour · Hooker

huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Also, 99.9% of doctors will tell you that sex offenders CANNOT be rehabilitated. They just can't. Other crimes have a higher success rate of being able to retrain them or whatever the word is.
Then keep them in jail. If they are threat, they need to be locked up.
We cannot lock someone up and throw away the key for crimes they might commit. And we still have to contend with "cruel and unusual punishment" under the constitution. Is is fair to lock someone up forever for one offense because they might do it again?
Child molestation should be a life sentence offense. We let murderers out without having to be on a list.
That's how you get a 19 year old rotting in prison for having sex with his 15 year old girlfriend. Should he have done it? No, but that doesn't mean he deserves prison for life.

He also doesn't need to be on some sex offender list.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Also, 99.9% of doctors will tell you that sex offenders CANNOT be rehabilitated. They just can't. Other crimes have a higher success rate of being able to retrain them or whatever the word is.
Then keep them in jail. If they are threat, they need to be locked up.
We cannot lock someone up and throw away the key for crimes they might commit. And we still have to contend with "cruel and unusual punishment" under the constitution. Is is fair to lock someone up forever for one offense because they might do it again?
Child molestation should be a life sentence offense. We let murderers out without having to be on a list.
That's how you get a 19 year old rotting in prison for having sex with his 15 year old girlfriend. Should he have done it? No, but that doesn't mean he deserves prison for life.

Yes. There are different levels of this. There are varying degrees of crime.

WYSIWYG · Guru

I do not think all sex crimes should be on the registry. I think only those with victims under 15 or forcible rape offenders. - Lawyerlady

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I agree. There are too many crimes that aren't even really a sex crime, as well as some that are either minor or unlikely to be repeated, that require registration that it makes the whole thing a complete farce.

I like the idea of limiting it to child molesters and forcible rapists.