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Atheist Group Bullies Oklahoma Schools into Halting Free Bible Distribution

 

 

The Duncan Public School district in Oklahoma has promised to prohibit the distribution of Bibles to students, after an atheist organization threatened legal action over what it calls “unconstitutional Bible distribution.”

The atheist group called the “American Humanist Association” sent an email to the Duncan Public school district after finding out that a teacher at Woodrow Wilson Elementary was handing out free Gideon Bibles during class time.

The third-grade teacher, Erica Mackey, reportedly announced to her students that she had copies of the New Testament and asked if anyone would like one. Nearly all her students came up to her desk to get copies.

The association alleged that one child felt “peer-pressured and coerced” to follow most of his classmates and take one.

The school district responded by sending a letter to the American Humanist Association assuring the group that the practice would stop.

“All teachers and administrators in the district are being advised that they are not permitted to distribute Bibles or other religious materials to students in class or during class time, wrote Scott W. Stone, legal counsel for the district.

“Teachers and administrators in the district are being advised that they should not attempt to persuade students to take Bibles or other religious materials during class time.”

Many seem to believe that the Woodrow Wilson Elementary teacher did nothing wrong.

Facebook was reportedly “flooded” with support for Mackey, who gave her students the option of a Bible.

Numerous parents, students and local residents took to the Internet to change their profile pictures and showcase Bibles that were in classrooms, all in support of the teacher at the center of the controversy.

One mother, Candice Barnes-Padilla, who has a daughter at the school, said she doesn’t see anything wrong with the teacher making the Bibles available for anyone who wanted them.

“A woman that was just handing them out, but giving them free will, if you want to take one. I don’t feel like that’s a problem,” said Barnes-Padilla.

“I hope that Duncan Public Schools can stand behind this teacher. Apparently, they need more teachers like that in our area and our school system,” she said.

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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/17/atheist-group-bullies-oklahoma-schools-into-halting-free-bible-distribution/

 



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and will they be banned in hotels?
If so then they would also have to ban any holy book left by a volunteer organtization

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I don't see the big deal. There are so many things being given and taught kids in schools these days. The schools here have a course in religion. They study the different religions for around the world. It's to build "acceptance".

Only they don't even touch the subject of Christianity.

And yes. There are hotels that no longer allow the Bibles placed in their rooms.

Hospitals have them at the desk and an be asked for.

Because putting it in a drawer in a hotel or hospital room apparently violates someone's rights.

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Not at a PUBLIC school.

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Not at a PUBLIC school.

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That's BS.  There have been numerous stories about Muslims passing out their materials--or having a teacher do it for them.   



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Not at a PUBLIC school.

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That's BS.  There have been numerous stories about Muslims passing out their materials--or having a teacher do it for them.   


I disagree with THAT as well.

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I think that teachers have no place giving out bibles to children during class, and would be severely annoyed if one did. Religion is for the parents to teach, and a pastor. Not a middle school teacher

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New Testament, PLUS the "Old Testament", PLUS a Quaran, PLUS materials from Hindus and Wiccans, and every other large religious group ...

 

MAYBE.

 

If this bitch gave a New Testament to MY kid, I would try very hard to get her fired.



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New Testament, PLUS the "Old Testament", PLUS a Quaran, PLUS materials from Hindus and Wiccans, and every other large religious group ...

 

MAYBE.

 

If this bitch gave a New Testament to MY kid, I would try very hard to get her fired.


Me too.

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New Testament, PLUS the "Old Testament", PLUS a Quaran, PLUS materials from Hindus and Wiccans, and every other large religious group ...

 

MAYBE.

 

If this bitch gave a New Testament to MY kid, I would try very hard to get her fired.


Wiccans are not a "large" religious group.   



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I think that teachers have no place giving out bibles to children during class, and would be severely annoyed if one did. Religion is for the parents to teach, and a pastor. Not a middle school teacher


 This. 

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Wiccans are not a "large" religious group

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ed11563 wrote:

New Testament, PLUS the "Old Testament", PLUS a Quaran, PLUS materials from Hindus and Wiccans, and every other large religious group ...

 

MAYBE.

 

If this bitch gave a New Testament to MY kid, I would try very hard to get her fired.


Wiccans are not a "large" religious group.   


True or not, that doesn't change the fact that she was using tax dollars (paying her salary to TEACH, and paying for the building, light and heat, etc) to promote HER OWN RELIGION in a PUBLIC school. 

She was actively promoting her own religion (is the word "proselytizing"?) in clear violation of the doctrine of separation of church and state.

She needs to go.



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huskerbb wrote:
ed11563 wrote:

New Testament, PLUS the "Old Testament", PLUS a Quaran, PLUS materials from Hindus and Wiccans, and every other large religious group ...

 

MAYBE.

 

If this bitch gave a New Testament to MY kid, I would try very hard to get her fired.


Wiccans are not a "large" religious group.   


True or not, that doesn't change the fact that she was using tax dollars (paying her salary to TEACH, and paying for the building, light and heat, etc) to promote HER OWN RELIGION in a PUBLIC school. 

She was actively promoting her own religion (is the word "proselytizing"?) in clear violation of the doctrine of separation of church and state.

She needs to go.


 It doesnt say what her religion is.



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ed11563 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
ed11563 wrote:

New Testament, PLUS the "Old Testament", PLUS a Quaran, PLUS materials from Hindus and Wiccans, and every other large religious group ...

 

MAYBE.

 

If this bitch gave a New Testament to MY kid, I would try very hard to get her fired.


Wiccans are not a "large" religious group.   


True or not, that doesn't change the fact that she was using tax dollars (paying her salary to TEACH, and paying for the building, light and heat, etc) to promote HER OWN RELIGION in a PUBLIC school. 

She was actively promoting her own religion (is the word "proselytizing"?) in clear violation of the doctrine of separation of church and state.

She needs to go.


 It doesn't say what her religion is.


It said she was handing out copies of the New Testament. She's not Hindu or Jewish. 

It also doesn't say she was breathing, but we can jump to conclusions about both of those questions.

 



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She didn't pass them out - she said she had them and if anyone wanted one, they could have one. They came up to her desk to get them. If they didn't want one, they wouldn't be handed one.

Seriously, people have no understanding of what freedom of religion means. It does NOT mean that everyone has to shut up about their religion, even if they work for the government.

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Well, I really don't think I agree with her doing that. That isn't her job to offer or handout materials that are not part of her curriculum. If she wants to go handout Bibles on the street after school then fine. This isn't part of her job description and she is an employee and she can't do whatever she pleases, that is not her prerogative. And, equally, nor could any other teacher "offer" materials on Judiasim, Islam or LGBT material or political books or whatever. That is simply not her job.

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Well, I really don't think I agree with her doing that. That isn't her job to offer or handout materials that are not part of her curriculum. If she wants to go handout Bibles on the street after school then fine. This isn't part of her job description and she is an employee and she can't do whatever she pleases, that is not her prerogative. And, equally, nor could any other teacher "offer" materials on Judiasim, Islam or LGBT material or political books or whatever. That is simply not her job.


 OK.  I can see that.

 

BUT, if a child comes up and asks her something about religion, she should not be forbidden to speak of it.  She is still a person with rights, not a government robot.





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Elementary school children want to please their teachers.

If the teacher says "everyone who wants one of these, line up,"

and several kids get up and get in line,

it seems likely that they ALL would get in line.

No one wants to offend their teacher.

 

"giving them free will, if you want to take one."

NO. There's no 'free will" in the classroom.

 



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Elementary school children want to please their teachers.

If the teacher says "everyone who wants one of these, line up,"

and several kids get up and get in line,

it seems likely that they ALL would get in line.

No one wants to offend their teacher.

 

"giving them free will, if you want to take one."

NO. There's no 'free will" in the classroom.

 


I have to agree. I've seen it time & time again.

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Well, I really don't think I agree with her doing that. That isn't her job to offer or handout materials that are not part of her curriculum. If she wants to go handout Bibles on the street after school then fine. This isn't part of her job description and she is an employee and she can't do whatever she pleases, that is not her prerogative. And, equally, nor could any other teacher "offer" materials on Judiasim, Islam or LGBT material or political books or whatever. That is simply not her job.


 OK.  I can see that.

 

BUT, if a child comes up and asks her something about religion, she should not be forbidden to speak of it.  She is still a person with rights, not a government robot.





-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Sunday 19th of April 2015 07:44:21 AM


I think that is a different situation.  If a kid is asking for that information and the teacher is giving information, that is a different scenario. 



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Elementary school children want to please their teachers.

If the teacher says "everyone who wants one of these, line up,"

and several kids get up and get in line,

it seems likely that they ALL would get in line.

No one wants to offend their teacher.

 

"giving them free will, if you want to take one."

NO. There's no 'free will" in the classroom.

 


I agree with this as well.  Kids want to please the teacher.  And, if the teacher thinks something is important enough to offer, all the kids are going to take it.  And, it's human nature anyway to take something that is free whether you really want it or not.  smile 



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ed11563 wrote:
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ed11563 wrote:

New Testament, PLUS the "Old Testament", PLUS a Quaran, PLUS materials from Hindus and Wiccans, and every other large religious group ...

 

MAYBE.

 

If this bitch gave a New Testament to MY kid, I would try very hard to get her fired.


Wiccans are not a "large" religious group.   


True or not, that doesn't change the fact that she was using tax dollars (paying her salary to TEACH, and paying for the building, light and heat, etc) to promote HER OWN RELIGION in a PUBLIC school. 

She was actively promoting her own religion (is the word "proselytizing"?) in clear violation of the doctrine of separation of church and state.

She needs to go.


 It doesn't say what her religion is.


It said she was handing out copies of the New Testament. She's not Hindu or Jewish. 

It also doesn't say she was breathing, but we can jump to conclusions about both of those questions.

 


She was handing out copies of the New Testament for another organization--we don't know her religion. 

 

Just because I hand out candy at Halloween doesn't mean I'm an oompa loompa.   



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huskerbb wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
ed11563 wrote:

New Testament, PLUS the "Old Testament", PLUS a Quaran, PLUS materials from Hindus and Wiccans, and every other large religious group ...

 

MAYBE.

 

If this bitch gave a New Testament to MY kid, I would try very hard to get her fired.


Wiccans are not a "large" religious group.   


True or not, that doesn't change the fact that she was using tax dollars (paying her salary to TEACH, and paying for the building, light and heat, etc) to promote HER OWN RELIGION in a PUBLIC school. 

She was actively promoting her own religion (is the word "proselytizing"?) in clear violation of the doctrine of separation of church and state.

She needs to go.


 It doesn't say what her religion is.


It said she was handing out copies of the New Testament. She's not Hindu or Jewish. 

It also doesn't say she was breathing, but we can jump to conclusions about both of those questions.

 


She was handing out copies of the New Testament for another organization--we don't know her religion. 

 

Just because I hand out candy at Halloween doesn't mean I'm an oompa loompa.   


 Kids CHOSE to go trick or treating. They have no choice about going to school.

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flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
ed11563 wrote:

New Testament, PLUS the "Old Testament", PLUS a Quaran, PLUS materials from Hindus and Wiccans, and every other large religious group ...

 

MAYBE.

 

If this bitch gave a New Testament to MY kid, I would try very hard to get her fired.


Wiccans are not a "large" religious group.   


True or not, that doesn't change the fact that she was using tax dollars (paying her salary to TEACH, and paying for the building, light and heat, etc) to promote HER OWN RELIGION in a PUBLIC school. 

She was actively promoting her own religion (is the word "proselytizing"?) in clear violation of the doctrine of separation of church and state.

She needs to go.


 It doesn't say what her religion is.


It said she was handing out copies of the New Testament. She's not Hindu or Jewish. 

It also doesn't say she was breathing, but we can jump to conclusions about both of those questions.

 


She was handing out copies of the New Testament for another organization--we don't know her religion. 

 

Just because I hand out candy at Halloween doesn't mean I'm an oompa loompa.   


 Kids CHOSE to go trick or treating. They have no choice about going to school.

flan


But they had the choice of whether or not to take the Bible.  Even if they take it--there is no mandate that says they have to read it, either.  



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Religion IS being taught in public schools.

Every religion EXCEPT Christianity.

It comes under the guise of Social studies and History.

I live in the buckle of the Bible belt and I see it.

Don't know why anything thinks it isn't being taught.

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Kids aren't bringing home the Koran, are they?

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Text from it. Copies of pages of it.

And I don't want it in my house. But I was told my child would not get a passing grade if he did not participate in the course.

I asked if the Bible would be included in the course.

No. It wouldn't.



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Text from it. Copies of pages of it.

And I don't want it in my house. But I was told my child would not get a passing grade if he did not participate in the course.

I asked if the Bible would be included in the course.

No. It wouldn't.


 I think kids should learn about most major religions. If the similarities are the focus (The Golden Rule), that fosters understanding.

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You don't see your own hypocrisy. And I am not surprised one bit.


 What now?!

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Nope, sorry, a teacher can offer my child many things, but sex and the Bible are right out.
Unless it is a religious studies course, keep your religious texts at home, please. I don't want my child reading the Qur'an and joining ISIS because some teacher handed it out either.

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Apparently this teacher's students are so smart they don't need any more help with the actual curriculum. Class time is valuable, and it gets cut shorter and shorter by all the testing they keep tossing in. This teacher should have stuck to the curriculum, which is, you know - her job.

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But they had the choice of whether or not to take the Bible.  Even if they take it--there is no mandate that says they have to read it, either.  


This might be the most foolish thing you've said today,

Do you really thing elementary school kids understand that it's okay to displease their teacher? There are many different ways she can penalize anyone who turns down her generous offer to read about her religion.



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But they had the choice of whether or not to take the Bible.  Even if they take it--there is no mandate that says they have to read it, either.  


This might be the most foolish thing you've said today,

Do you really thing elementary school kids understand that it's okay to displease their teacher? There are many different ways she can penalize anyone who turns down her generous offer to read about her religion.


Well. I don't know what kind of kids you raised. But if mine didn't want something, they didn't take it. Period. Because I raised them that way.

Yes. From a very, very young age I taught them to say no.  



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But they had the choice of whether or not to take the Bible.  Even if they take it--there is no mandate that says they have to read it, either.  


This might be the most foolish thing you've said today,

Do you really thing elementary school kids understand that it's okay to displease their teacher? There are many different ways she can penalize anyone who turns down her generous offer to read about her religion.


 It amazes me that some people don't understand this. Now, junior high kids...whole different ballgame.

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Nope, sorry, a teacher can offer my child many things, but sex and the Bible are right out.
Unless it is a religious studies course, keep your religious texts at home, please. I don't want my child reading the Qur'an and joining ISIS because some teacher handed it out either.


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School officials, of any capacity, from a janitor all the way up to the principal or Dean, at a public school, should not be handing out religious materials of any kind. Even on a "if you want one, come get it" basis.

Leave the teaching of religion to the parents or clergy.

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Religion IS being taught in public schools.

Every religion EXCEPT Christianity.

It comes under the guise of Social studies and History.

I live in the buckle of the Bible belt and I see it.

Don't know why anything thinks it isn't being taught.


I would think that if it was taught under those banners, and in the bible belt, then Christianity is then assumed to be a way of life and not so much a  history/social study subject to be glossed over. 

To me, the context of the proposed assignment can make one hell of a difference. "Knowing about" does not mean "approving and participating". I would love for Little Man to know all religions, but to would also be upset if he was led to believe that one is better than another by someone that has no right to make that decision for him.



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 ?????   They are not a large religious group.  That is a fact.  



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For the most part - I'm against religion in school b/c there is way too much variation in how religion is taught even among Christian denominations. However, I don't think teachers should be banned from mentioning religion, discussing differences in religions, or in answering questions about religion in general, or even her own faith if asked.

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You can't teach history without teaching ABOUT religion. Not teaching the religion, itself, per se--but teaching how various religions have shaped the societies they were a part of and how they still influence the world today.

If you teach music without teaching any religious music, you skip literally centuries of works by great composers. Only a small handful of Mozarts works were not made for church.

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Literature is the same way. You can't teach the scarlet letter or Dante's inferno while ignoring the religious themes present in the works.

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huskerbb wrote:

Literature is the same way. You can't teach the scarlet letter or Dante's inferno while ignoring the religious themes present in the works.


yup 



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well, used to be referred to as a " classical education " re the curriculum at many small colleges and universities--anymore, beyond the cattle-car courses at most state universities, the focus has shifted from education to " whatever it takes to graduate "--no longer deemed beneficial or necessary to produce well-rounded, truly educated individuals--has had a significantly negative effect on our society over the last 30 years or more--to our detriment as a nation



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We have several private Classical schools (both primary and secondary education) that teach Classical. Those kids by far are more intelligent than the Common Core kids. Its amazing the difference...

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huskerbb wrote:
aergia wrote:

Wiccans are not a "large" religious group

the depth of your knowledge astounds me


 ?????   They are not a large religious group.  That is a fact.  


Is that relevant to this discussion in any way? 



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