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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

RE: Lesbian Couple Accuses Christian Bakers of ‘Mental Rape,’ Awarded $135,000

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

WYSIWYG wrote:
Which is what I have every RIGHT to believe. - Lawyerlady

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Yes. You do have that right. What you don't have is the right to force that belief onto others.

The only FORCING that is occurring is against the Christians, not the other way around.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
The Bible states homosexuality is a sin. You keep ignoring that part of it. You also say it's discrimination because gay marriage is legal so the Bible says Christians need to follow man's law. What you keep conveniently leaving out of it is that God says follow man's law unless it goes against God's law. Then you are to follow God's law. Not man's. I'm sure you'll post some vague Bible verses that leave parts of the Bible out. But the reality is all throughout the Bible Jesus DID walk with sinners. He also told them, SIN NO MORE. He did not wallow in the sin with them. He confronted them about the sin and told them not to do it. So I'm not sure what Bible you read.

Yep. Exactly. Very well summed up.

Tinydancer · Guru

I swear WYSIWYG hasn't even seen a Bible let alone read it. It's quite obvious from his posts as they bear no resemblance to the actual written words in the Bible as opposed to his interpretation of what he wished it said.

WYSIWYG · Guru

The Bible states homosexuality is a sin. You keep ignoring that part of it. You also say it's discrimination because gay marriage is legal so the Bible says Christians need to follow man's law. What you keep conveniently leaving out of it is that God says follow man's law unless it goes against God's law. Then you are to follow God's law. Not man's. I'm sure you'll post some vague Bible verses that leave parts of the Bible out. But the reality is all throughout the Bible Jesus DID walk with sinners. He also told them, SIN NO MORE. He did not wallow in the sin with them. He confronted them about the sin and told them not to do it. So I'm not sure what Bible you read.
- Nobody Just Nobody

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I don't disagree that the Bible states homosexuality is a sin. However, it also states in various scriptures variations of the idea that we should love the sinner but hate the sin. Something that those wishing to discriminate against people seem to forget.

And yes, Jesus did say "sin no more", but do we know that they did just that? No. We don't know if they sinned no more.

I believe I've already mentioned this, but, anyone who wants to use their interpretation of the Bible to spread hate and intolerance is free to do so, I would rather people use their interpretations of the Bible to spread love, acceptance, forgiveness, and tolerance of different beliefs. That's my answer to WWJD?

WYSIWYG · Guru

I swear WYSIWYG hasn't even seen a Bible let alone read it. It's quite obvious from his posts as they bear no resemblance to the actual written words in the Bible as opposed to his interpretation of what he wished it said.
- Tinydancer

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The very same could be said about those using the Bible as grounds for their hatred, intolerance, or discrimination of others. If Jesus were here today, I believe he would be very saddened by the way some people act in His name. I don't believe those that spread love and kindness to others would be the ones he would be saddened by.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
The Bible states homosexuality is a sin. You keep ignoring that part of it. You also say it's discrimination because gay marriage is legal so the Bible says Christians need to follow man's law. What you keep conveniently leaving out of it is that God says follow man's law unless it goes against God's law. Then you are to follow God's law. Not man's. I'm sure you'll post some vague Bible verses that leave parts of the Bible out. But the reality is all throughout the Bible Jesus DID walk with sinners. He also told them, SIN NO MORE. He did not wallow in the sin with them. He confronted them about the sin and told them not to do it. So I'm not sure what Bible you read.
- Nobody Just Nobody

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I don't disagree that the Bible states homosexuality is a sin. However, it also states in various scriptures variations of the idea that we should love the sinner but hate the sin. Something that those wishing to discriminate against people seem to forget.

And yes, Jesus did say "sin no more", but do we know that they did just that? No. We don't know if they sinned no more.

I believe I've already mentioned this, but, anyone who wants to use their interpretation of the Bible to spread hate and intolerance is free to do so, I would rather people use their interpretations of the Bible to spread love, acceptance, forgiveness, and tolerance of different beliefs. That's my answer to WWJD?

So you are saying Jesus would prononce gay marriage as Good and bless that union?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I'll say it, LGS.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

You have both jumped the shark.

chillepeppa · Regular

I fail to see war. All I see is opportunistic fvcks who will go to any length and use any excuse or cause to screw others out of their hard earned money. For every "injured" homosexual party, there is at least one "profit" claiming to be God's messenger. Both just point to individual assh0les out to get a buck not earned or deserved.

Not sure how this judge can even remotely justify the judgement. As mentioned here, the weight gain/appetite loss one alone makes on question his commitment and state of mind...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
You have both jumped the shark.

Last weekend, my pastor married his brother & his partner.

I respect his opinion ten times more than yours.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
You have both jumped the shark.
Last weekend, my pastor married his brother & his partner.
I respect his opinion ten times more than yours.
flan

Then he is not following God. And God's opinion is what matters. God has made is opinion infinitely clear.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
You have both jumped the shark.
Last weekend, my pastor married his brother & his partner.
I respect his opinion ten times more than yours.
flan
Then he is not following God. And God's opinion is what matters. God has made is opinion infinitely clear.

Yes, he actually is.

On the original GT, I posted one of his Messages on same-sex marriage. It was beautifully written

flan

Honeys_Mom · Mod & Permanent Board Sweetheart

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
You have both jumped the shark.
Last weekend, my pastor married his brother & his partner.
I respect his opinion ten times more than yours.
flan
Then he is not following God. And God's opinion is what matters. God has madeny is opinion infinitely clear.
Yes, he actually is.
On the original GT, I posted one of his Messages on same-sex marriage. It was beautifully written
flan

I don't in any way want to fuel any negative feelings here, but I would actually be interested in seeing the message if you still have it, Flan. PM is fine, too. I think you already know my beliefs on the subject, but I still would like to read your pastor's expression of his heart on the issue.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Honeys_Mom wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
You have both jumped the shark.
Last weekend, my pastor married his brother & his partner.
I respect his opinion ten times more than yours.
flan
Then he is not following God. And God's opinion is what matters. God has madeny is opinion infinitely clear.
Yes, he actually is.
On the original GT, I posted one of his Messages on same-sex marriage. It was beautifully written
flan
I don't in any way want to fuel any negative feelings here, but I would actually be interested in seeing the message if you still have it, Flan. PM is fine, too. I think you already know my beliefs on the subject, but I still would like to read your pastor's expression of his heart on the issue.

I'd be glad to.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Post it here. Let's examine it in light of Scripture.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Post it here. Let's examine it in light of Scripture.

Yes. Especially this scripture -

Deuteronomy 4:2 “You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take anything from it”(also Deuteronomy 12:32). The reason God is so adamant on this is because “The entirety of Your word is truth” (Psalms 119: 160).

"Add thou not unto His words, lest He reprove thee, and thou be found a liar" Proverbs 30:6.

In our day there is the belief in “progressive revelation” that originates from outside the Word. What right does anyone have to teach what is not in Scripture as if it is Scripture? False teachers do not want to submit to its original intent, so they do not seek what Scripture actually (exegesis) means, instead, they conform it to what they want it to mean (isogesis). They will look to another source as their authority because they are not under God’s authority. This is why Paul admonishes us in 1 Corinthians 4:6: “not to think beyond what is written” (exceed or go past). Why? So pride will not have an opportunity to operate and puff us up. It is pride that makes one participate in false doctrine which makes him spiritually destructive to himself and others who listen to him.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Post it here. Let's examine it in light of Scripture.

I have already posted it on the old board.

It ended up being a PERSONAL attack on someone I care about. Not going there again. I have PM'ed the info to 2 Geeks that I trust.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

He's a pastor. His words should up under scrutiny.

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Post it here. Let's examine it in light of Scripture.
I have already posted it on the old board.
It ended up being a PERSONAL attack on someone I care about. Not going there again. I have PM'ed the info to 2 Geeks that I trust.
flan

If you're the only one who knows him how can it be personal? I bet it really hurt his feelings...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Post it here. Let's examine it in light of Scripture.
I have already posted it on the old board.
It ended up being a PERSONAL attack on someone I care about. Not going there again. I have PM'ed the info to 2 Geeks that I trust.
flan
If you're the only one who knows him how can it be personal? I bet it really hurt his feelings...

It hurt MY feelings.

I felt sickened by the things that were said.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Post it here. Let's examine it in light of Scripture.
I have already posted it on the old board.
It ended up being a PERSONAL attack on someone I care about. Not going there again. I have PM'ed the info to 2 Geeks that I trust.
flan
If you're the only one who knows him how can it be personal? I bet it really hurt his feelings...
It hurt MY feelings.
I felt sickened by the things that were said.
flan

I don't get it but I've been told I'm not empathetic and unsympathetic so there is that.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I'm been criticized, even mocked, on message boards, but I made the choice to shared my thoughts.

To me, that's the difference.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

But he wouldn't even know what was said about him. It's an anonymous message board he's never seen so why would it hurt YOUR feelings?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Post it here. Let's examine it in light of Scripture.
I have already posted it on the old board.
It ended up being a PERSONAL attack on someone I care about. Not going there again. I have PM'ed the info to 2 Geeks that I trust.
flan
If you're the only one who knows him how can it be personal? I bet it really hurt his feelings...

It wasn't personal. We attacked his message. He's a minister of God, and therefore preaching heresy should be attacked.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I've read up on Quakers. What it comes down to is that the Quakers believe that the Bible is just a book. No more or less important than any other book you can go to the library and get. They pick and choose the passages they want to believe in and the ones they don't they justify away with other books. So for a Quaker who believes homosexuality is not a sin that part of the Bible wouldn't apply.

Of course, just like with every other religion there are more conservative and more liberal chapters.

burns07 · Guru

so he's a hypocrite, too

sad

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
You have both jumped the shark.
Last weekend, my pastor married his brother & his partner.
I respect his opinion ten times more than yours.
flan

But you don't believe in the Bible or God's word, anyway--and apparently neither do they.

WYSIWYG · Guru

So you are saying Jesus would prononce gay marriage as Good and bless that union? - Lady Gaga Snerd

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There's a difference between "pronounce it good" and "treating those of different beliefs with respect and kindness". I believe He would treat them with respect and kindness.

WYSIWYG · Guru

I don't in any way want to fuel any negative feelings here, but I would actually be interested in seeing the message if you still have it, Flan. PM is fine, too. I think you already know my beliefs on the subject, but I still would like to read your pastor's expression of his heart on the issue.
- Honeys_Mom

I'd be glad to.
- flan

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If it's not too late, I'd appreciate a chance to read it as well.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
So you are saying Jesus would prononce gay marriage as Good and bless that union? - Lady Gaga Snerd

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There's a difference between "pronounce it good" and "treating those of different beliefs with respect and kindness". I believe He would treat them with respect and kindness.

That isn't what I asked. Would he pronounce it good? Would he tell them to that staying together and living in a sexual relationship is fine?

WYSIWYG · Guru

That isn't what I asked. Would he pronounce it good? Would he tell them to that staying together and living in a sexual relationship is fine?
- Lady Gaga Snerd

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I understand what you asked. My answer fit your question though. I am not saying Jesus would "pronounce it good". I am saying He would treat the people with kindness and respect.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

WYSIWYG wrote:
That isn't what I asked. Would he pronounce it good? Would he tell them to that staying together and living in a sexual relationship is fine?
- Lady Gaga Snerd

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I understand what you asked. My answer fit your question though. I am not saying Jesus would "pronounce it good". I am saying He would treat the people with kindness and respect.

He would not bake a cake for their wedding.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
That isn't what I asked. Would he pronounce it good? Would he tell them to that staying together and living in a sexual relationship is fine?
- Lady Gaga Snerd

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I understand what you asked. My answer fit your question though. I am not saying Jesus would "pronounce it good". I am saying He would treat the people with kindness and respect.

Would he bake a cake for their wedding? Would he stand in attendance and congratulate the Groom and Groom? Those are valid questions that you seem to want to ignore.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I've read up on Quakers. What it comes down to is that the Quakers believe that the Bible is just a book. No more or less important than any other book you can go to the library and get. They pick and choose the passages they want to believe in and the ones they don't they justify away with other books. So for a Quaker who believes homosexuality is not a sin that part of the Bible wouldn't apply.

Of course, just like with every other religion there are more conservative and more liberal chapters.

I'm going to have to disagree.

flan

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The most important thing to know about Scripture is that Scripture is not the most important thing. Scripture is useful, Scripture is helpful, Scripture can make Christian growth quicker and can help avoid mistakes, but Quakers use it as a tool to understand God. We do not substitute attention to it for attention to God himself. God is our primary guide, not the Bible.

Jesus stated this in no uncertain terms to the skeptical Jews: "And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me. His voice you have never heard, his form you have never seen, and you do not have his word abiding in you, for you do not believe the one whom he has sent. You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life: and it is they that bear witness to me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life." (John 5:39-40.) Quakers believe that the Bible is one of the words of God-- not THE Word of God-- the Logos-- a title given only to Jesus himself. The apostle John explained it pointedly: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1). And, "And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God." (Revelation, 19:13).

Quakers follow the living Jesus, the Inward Light, the Word of God, the Holy Spirit of Christ. One of the ways God speaks to man is through the Bible. But while Scripture is important to us, we believe that the Author is a more fundamental guide than his Book. The Quaker belief in the importance of the Bible unites us in our faith and practice with many Christians. The Quaker belief that the Bible is secondary and subordinate to the Inward Light and the true Word of God separates us from many others.

Critical to this belief is the Quaker trust that God himself talks to us and inspires us personally today, just as he did to the early Christians. As George Fox put it, we believe that Christ has come to teach his people himself. These teachings come to us clearly in the form of dreams, visions, voices, and inspired spoken ministry. They come less clearly but no less importantly in the forms of feelings, inner urgings, and intuitive leadings. We also hear God in the teachings of the Bible, and we learn from him as we read it, but we do not try to limit his work with us to the Bible as his only instrument. This Quaker belief is denied by many other Christian groups, who hold that God today is silent, that prophecy has ended, that the canon is complete, and only the Bible or officially authorized priests can speak for God.

Christians agree that you cannot interpret Scripture without the Holy Spirit-- it will be merely empty words, or worse, will be mistakenly interpreted. And if Scripture cannot be understood correctly unless the Holy Spirit wills it, then the Holy Spirit is the primary guide. We must listen, first, directly to him. To say that a book written under divine inspiration is somehow more reliable than the divine inspiration itself is indefensible. The real issue, of course, is whether one believes that God inspires people today with the same Spirit that he has in the past. As Quakers, we believe that he does. That is what Quakerism is all about. We use various methods in practice to be sure that it is actually Jesus who we listen to. The Meeting community is helpful here. But sometimes the answer is obvious, as when someone with his eyes closed asks how you can be sure that the sun is shining. If your own eyes are open, you can see it!

This is not to devalue Scripture. If one of us believes that God is pointing to a belief or a leading that is inconsistent with Scripture, then that belief or leading is plainly wrong. Conservative Friends believe that the writers of the Bible were inspired by God, and God does not give contradictory answers to the same question. For the same reason, Scripture is useful when Christians have a disagreement. A prayerful, Spirit-led reading of Scripture can provide an outward objective guide for resolving the issue.

Today, members of Conservative Quaker meetings have a wide range of attitudes toward the Bible. At one end are members who base their walk with God primarily or completely on what they read and interpret in Scripture. At the other are those who mostly ignore the Bible, and rely solely on the personal leadings of the Inner Light. These two extreme views reflect in microcosm the tensions responsible for the two great Quaker schisms of the 19th century.

However, the original Conservative Quaker witness towards the value and importance of Scripture was very clear. To paraphrase Robert Barclay, "The Bible contains a faithful account of God's people through the ages, of completed and yet-to-be-completed prophecies, and of the chief principles of Christianity. However, it is not the fundamental basis of religious truth and knowledge, nor is it an adequate primary rule of Christian faith and practice, both of which are based on intuitive revelation by the Holy Spirit. But because it is true, it is an important secondary rule, subordinate to the revelations of the Holy Spirit, without whose assistance it cannot be interpreted correctly. The Holy Spirit is the primary guide."

Conservative Quakers typically read the Bible regularly and sincerely, "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works," (II Timothy 3:16.) We value the lessons we learn from both the Old and New Testaments (although there is occasional disagreement about whether Bible passages are to be interpreted literally or figuratively). Some meetings hold regular adult classes, with readings and discussions of the Bible. Our children's Sunday Schools also base some or all of their curriculum on the Bible. Scripture is frequently quoted within spoken ministry during our meetings for worship. Some meetings also practice "Scripture reading after the manner of Friends," in which our worship consists of standing, and reading or reciting Scripture passages as led by the Holy Spirit. But in all our uses of Scripture, we try to remember that our first goal is to know God, and Scripture is one of the ways God has given us to do that.

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The first paragraph pretty much proves NJN's point. Scripture is NOT the most important so in other words it's just a self help book to them where they pick and choose what passages fit their vision of God.

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Wednesday 6th of May 2015 09:35:12 AM

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Also, flan has stated time and again that she doesn't believe in god. That's not a slam. Just a statement. That is her belief. She believes she sees and feels wonder in nature and many other things. Again, not a judgment. But if you don't believe in god then the Bible is just a Bible and not the word of god.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Also, flan has stated time and again that she doesn't believe in god. That's not a slam. Just a statement. That is her belief. She believes she sees and feels wonder in nature and many other things. Again, not a judgment. But if you don't believe in god then the Bible is just a Bible and not the word of god.

Let me clarify, if I may.

I think the Judeo-Christian concept of God is too limiting to encompass the magnitude of a Higher Power. Yes, it is evident in nature, among other things.

There have been many wise & wonderful books written over the course of thousands of years.

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

flan327 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Also, flan has stated time and again that she doesn't believe in god. That's not a slam. Just a statement. That is her belief. She believes she sees and feels wonder in nature and many other things. Again, not a judgment. But if you don't believe in god then the Bible is just a Bible and not the word of god.
Let me clarify, if I may.
I think the Judeo-Christian concept of God is too limiting to encompass the magnitude of a Higher Power. Yes, it is evident in nature, among other things.
There have been many wise & wonderful books written over the course of thousands of years.
flan

I understand what you are saying but to Christians Higher Power does not equal God. They are two entirely different things. Again, not a slam. Every religion has a "god". I am talking about the God that Christians refer to. You do not believe in the Judeo-Christian God. You believe in the Higher-Power of your choosing. Like I said, not a judgment but it's not the Christian God. So if the Christian God is just another belief then the Bible is just another book. Whereas to Christians the Bible is the framework of everything they believe in.

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Also, flan has stated time and again that she doesn't believe in god. That's not a slam. Just a statement. That is her belief. She believes she sees and feels wonder in nature and many other things. Again, not a judgment. But if you don't believe in god then the Bible is just a Bible and not the word of god.
Let me clarify, if I may.
I think the Judeo-Christian concept of God is too limiting to encompass the magnitude of a Higher Power. Yes, it is evident in nature, among other things.
There have been many wise & wonderful books written over the course of thousands of years.
flan

None that have come as close to the acceptance of the Bible.

WYSIWYG · Guru

Would he bake a cake for their wedding? Would he stand in attendance and congratulate the Groom and Groom? Those are valid questions that you seem to want to ignore. - Lady Gaga Snerd

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Considering that Jesus was a carpenter and not a baker, I believe he would not bake a cake for them. He might be willing to make them a beautiful archway though.

I don't believe he would "stand in attendance" as a groomsman might, but he would likely be present if invited to attend, and would likely wish them well.

It's not that I wanted to ignore the questions, you posed questions that I had no ability to answer. I cannot answer what he would or wouldn't do. I can only answer what I believe he might or might not do based on my belief in the goodness and love I believe his heart to be full of.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Jesus turned water into wine as his first miracle at a wedding.

He also destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.

I think His thoughts are clear.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
Would he bake a cake for their wedding? Would he stand in attendance and congratulate the Groom and Groom? Those are valid questions that you seem to want to ignore. - Lady Gaga Snerd

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Considering that Jesus was a carpenter and not a baker, I believe he would not bake a cake for them. He might be willing to make them a beautiful archway though.

I don't believe he would "stand in attendance" as a groomsman might, but he would likely be present if invited to attend, and would likely wish them well.

It's not that I wanted to ignore the questions, you posed questions that I had no ability to answer. I cannot answer what he would or wouldn't do. I can only answer what I believe he might or might not do based on my belief in the goodness and love I believe his heart to be full of.

So, he can't "commit" the whole way and be a groomsman but instead just kinda be lukewarm on the side?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

If gays want to get married and society is OK with that, then fine get married. But, don't pretend the Bible endorses it. There is no argument or scripture or theology by which you can demonstrate any Biblical support for it whatsoever.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Jesus would not attend a homosexual wedding unless he was going there to teach them it was wrong. Saying anything else goes against everything else that is in the Bible.

Tinydancer · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Jesus would not attend a homosexual wedding unless he was going there to teach them it was wrong. Saying anything else goes against everything else that is in the Bible.

This would be the only reason Jesus would go to a gay wedding. He tells us very clearly how to deal with sin.

Honeys_Mom · Mod & Permanent Board Sweetheart

Tinydancer wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Jesus would not attend a homosexual wedding unless he was going there to teach them it was wrong. Saying anything else goes against everything else that is in the Bible.
This would be the only reason Jesus would go to a gay wedding. He tells us very clearly how to deal with sin.

Though I personally believe this thread needs to die.... and with the greatest respect toward both of you: As a Christian who loves Jesus Christ with all my heart and feels I've studied scriptures over all these years enough to know at least some of His truth, I cannot agree with either of your statements. Jesus purposely associated with (paraphrasing the religious leaders of that day) filthy sinners, unclean folks... often with the very dregs of society. I am making no comparison here to gays, just people in general. By doing so, Jesus never condoned their behavior. Rather, he displayed the perfect love of God, and for that people were inexplicably drawn to him. I firmly believe that Jesus loved people into the kingdom of God. It was his love that drew them, and his loving truth that saves those who believe.

With that said, you both, and especially LL, know I likely won't respond to debate on the subject. But when I read what you both posted, and again, I say this with the greatest respect for your opinions and for your prefessed love for Christ, I felt unusually compelled to chime in. It is very important to me for others to know that Jesus, my saviour, my rock, my redeemer... the only One who loves me with an everlasting, healing love... I believe He demonstrated to us that He would show up pretty much anywhere, not because he approved of the goings-on, but because his primary focus was on saving people who happen, in the case of the statements above, to be celebrating a gay wedding.

Yes, He cleared the temple of the moneychangers who were defiling his Fathers house. But whether a Gay wedding, or a motocross ralley, or a county fair, I believe he would be there, just as He showed up in my life when I was lost and filthy in the world's eyes.

As to the question posed by this thread: Should someone be forced to participate in something that they believe is sin? Of course not! For heavens sake people, whether gay or straight just find a baker who is on board with your program!

HM is now done talking about it, and thank you for reading. smile

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Honeys_Mom wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Jesus would not attend a homosexual wedding unless he was going there to teach them it was wrong. Saying anything else goes against everything else that is in the Bible.
This would be the only reason Jesus would go to a gay wedding. He tells us very clearly how to deal with sin.
Though I personally believe this thread needs to die.... and with the greatest respect toward both of you: As a Christian who loves Jesus Christ with all my heart and feels I've studied scriptures over all these years enough to know at least some of His truth, I cannot agree with either of your statements. Jesus purposely associated with (paraphrasing the religious leaders of that day) filthy sinners, unclean folks... often with the very dregs of society. I am making no comparison here to gays, just people in general. By doing so, Jesus never condoned their behavior. Rather, he displayed the perfect love of God, and for that people were inexplicably drawn to him. I firmly believe that Jesus loved people into the kingdom of God. It was his love that drew them, and his loving truth that saves those who believe.
With that said, you both, and especially LL, know I likely won't respond to debate on the subject. But when I read what you both posted, and again, I say this with the greatest respect for your opinions and for your prefessed love for Christ, I felt unusually compelled to chime in. It is very important to me for others to know that Jesus, my saviour, my rock, my redeemer... the only One who loves me with an everlasting, healing love... I believe He demonstrated to us that He would show up pretty much anywhere, not because he approved of the goings-on, but because his primary focus was on saving people who happen, in the case of the statements above, to be celebrating a gay wedding.
Yes, He cleared the temple of the moneychangers who were defiling his Fathers house. But whether a Gay wedding, or a motocross ralley, or a county fair, I believe he would be there, just as He showed up in my life when I was lost and filthy in the world's eyes.
As to the question posed by this thread: Should someone be forced to participate in something that they believe is sin? Of course not! For heavens sake people, whether gay or straight just find a baker who is on board with your program!
HM is now done talking about it, and thank you for reading.

Neither of these statements contradict what I said. Jesus would not attend such a wedding as a celebrating guest. His only purpose would be on "saving people". And part of that is saving them from sin. He loves the sinners - but he would tell them to "sin no more". He is not going to condone sinful behavior simply because he loves them.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Honeys_Mom wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Jesus would not attend a homosexual wedding unless he was going there to teach them it was wrong. Saying anything else goes against everything else that is in the Bible.
This would be the only reason Jesus would go to a gay wedding. He tells us very clearly how to deal with sin.
Though I personally believe this thread needs to die.... and with the greatest respect toward both of you: As a Christian who loves Jesus Christ with all my heart and feels I've studied scriptures over all these years enough to know at least some of His truth, I cannot agree with either of your statements. Jesus purposely associated with (paraphrasing the religious leaders of that day) filthy sinners, unclean folks... often with the very dregs of society. I am making no comparison here to gays, just people in general. By doing so, Jesus never condoned their behavior. Rather, he displayed the perfect love of God, and for that people were inexplicably drawn to him. I firmly believe that Jesus loved people into the kingdom of God. It was his love that drew them, and his loving truth that saves those who believe.
With that said, you both, and especially LL, know I likely won't respond to debate on the subject. But when I read what you both posted, and again, I say this with the greatest respect for your opinions and for your prefessed love for Christ, I felt unusually compelled to chime in. It is very important to me for others to know that Jesus, my saviour, my rock, my redeemer... the only One who loves me with an everlasting, healing love... I believe He demonstrated to us that He would show up pretty much anywhere, not because he approved of the goings-on, but because his primary focus was on saving people who happen, in the case of the statements above, to be celebrating a gay wedding.
Yes, He cleared the temple of the moneychangers who were defiling his Fathers house. But whether a Gay wedding, or a motocross ralley, or a county fair, I believe he would be there, just as He showed up in my life when I was lost and filthy in the world's eyes.
As to the question posed by this thread: Should someone be forced to participate in something that they believe is sin? Of course not! For heavens sake people, whether gay or straight just find a baker who is on board with your program!
HM is now done talking about it, and thank you for reading.

BEAUTIFUL...just beautiful!

Thank you.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

You are quite correct that his focus was on saving people so I believe he would go to a gay wedding but he would be telling them that he loves them even though they are sinning and that they should sin no more. I really do not believe he would celebrate the marriage as he would not celebrate sin.