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Mike Huckabee: "We Are Moving Rapidly Toward The Criminalization Of Christianity"

Posted: 04/26/2015 7:26 pm EDT Updated: 04/27/2015 11:59 am EDT

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WAUKEE, IA - APRIL 25: Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee speaks to guests gathered at the Point of Grace Church for the Iowa Faith and Freedom Coalition 2015 Spring Kickoff on April 25, 2015 in Waukee, Iowa. The Iowa Faith & Freedom Coalition, a conservative Christian organization, hosted 9 potential contenders for the 2016 Republican presidential nominations at the event. (Photo by Scott Olson/Getty Images) | Scott Olson via Getty Images
 
 
 

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By Luciana Lopez

DES MOINES, Iowa, April 26 (Reuters) - Republican presidential hopefuls in Iowa and elsewhere have recently begun sounding a call to arms to Christian conservatives, describing what they say is an urgent threat to religious liberty.

Citing high-profile dust-ups over religious freedom bills in Indiana and Arkansas, the contenders are painting a vivid picture of faith under fire.

"In the past month, we have seen religious liberty under assault at an unprecedented level," Senator Ted Cruz of Texas said on Saturday at a forum sponsored by the Iowa Faith and Freedom Coalition outside Des Moines.

In both Indiana and Arkansas, bills aimed at protecting religious liberty were modified after critics, including a number of corporations, asserted the laws would allow discrimination against lesbians and gays.

On the campaign trail, Republican hopefuls are blasting the modifications.

"Corporate America needs to be careful," Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal said on Saturday.

"We've got legislation in Louisiana to protect people of faith and of conscience. Corporate America is not going to bully the governor of Louisiana," he said, drawing loud applause.

Iowa traditionally draws early and intense campaigning by presidential aspirants because it is the first electoral contest in the long primary season. But candidates face a dilemma there: Do they emphasize the socially conservative principles that play well with Iowa's more conservative Republican electorate? Or do they stress a more mainstream conservatism that might play better later in the campaign?

Gay marriage is a particularly thorny issue, especially with the U.S. Supreme Court set to hear oral arguments this week in a legal challenge to laws prohibiting same-sex unions.

Overall, 50 percent of Americans now support gay marriage, according to data from Reuters/Ipsos, with 34 percent opposing it and 16 percent unsure. Still, according to polling from the Pew Research Center, nearly 70 percent of white evangelicals oppose gay marriage, and in 2012, about 57 percent of Republican voters in the Iowa caucuses described themselves as evangelical Christians.


COURTING CONSERVATIVES

A win in Iowa, or even a high placement, gives a candidate more visibility as the race moves on to other states, but it is no guarantee of later success. In 2008 and 2012, the top spots in the Republican contest were taken by former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee and former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum, respectively, neither of whom went on to get the party's nomination.

Still, Republicans hopefuls, including some familiar faces, remain eager to court Iowa conservatives.

"We are moving rapidly toward the criminalization of Christianity," Huckabee said in conference call with conservative pastors organized by the Family Research Council, a Christian public policy organization. An audio recording of the call was obtained and posted online by Right Wing Watch, a progressive group that criticizes conservatives.

Huckabee picked up the thread again on Saturday.

"Let me be clear tonight: I'm not backing off because what I'm saying is true," he said. His words were greeted with murmurs of "That's right" from the crowd, along with strong applause.

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker echoed the warning. "We should be standing up for religious freedom," he said at Saturday's forum. "In America, we should be the shining star that says you should be able to practice your religion."

Two prominent potential Republican contenders were missing at the Faith and Freedom gathering: Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush and New Jersey Governor Chris Christie. Both are perceived as being from the party's more moderate wing. Bush has argued for comprehensive immigration reform, and Christie, as governor of New Jersey, ultimately opted not to appeal a court decision that legalized gay marriage in his state.

A more moderate stance, especially on gay marriage, may resonate particularly with young voters. Among 18-to-29-year-olds, according to Reuters/Ipsos, 76 percent now support gay marriage. Even among Republicans in that age group, same-sex marriage enjoys 51 percent support.

Raymond Starks, a 21-year-old student at Drake University who interned on Mitt Romney's 2012 campaign, said on Saturday he favored same-sex marriage, although he also valued religious liberty.

"I would support laws allowing for conscientious objection in some circumstances," he said. (Editing by Sue Horton)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/27/republican-candidates-evangelicals_n_7148310.html

 



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I sense a theme here, LGS.

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What a load of cr@p.


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What a load of cr@p.


Are you new here? LOL

You know there are posters here who will swear this is the Gospel truth (pun intended).

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Really? Did you not hear about the law (in Iowa maybe) that would force a Christian minister to perform gay weddings? Let me see if I can find it...



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Really? Did you not hear about the law (in Iowa maybe) that would force a Christian minister to perform gay weddings? Let me see if I can find it...


 But we're just paranoid, don't you know. 



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Just look at the stupid judge on the other thread. As I said, everyone has rights except Christians. We're not even allowed to follow our own consciences anymore.

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If you decide that you are going to bake cakes...THEN bake cakes.

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If you decide that you are going to bake cakes...THEN bake cakes.

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And if you decide that you are going to perform weddings? 



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If you decide that you are going to bake cakes...THEN bake cakes.

flan


And if you decide that you are going to perform weddings? 


That's different.

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flan327 wrote:
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If you decide that you are going to bake cakes...THEN bake cakes.

flan


And if you decide that you are going to perform weddings? 


That's different.

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Why is that different? 



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So trample religious freedom just so they can get a cake? Just go to another bakery that doesn't mind baking a cake for a gay wedding, but then you couldn't force others to do what you want. I guess they should just give up their rights so that someone else can have their way.

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If you decide that you are going to bake cakes...THEN bake cakes.

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 Then why are gay bakers getting away with turning away cakes that say "Support traditional marriage", but Christian bakers can't refuse to bake a cake that says "Support gay marriage"?



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If you decide that you are going to bake cakes...THEN bake cakes.

flan


 Then why are gay bakers getting away with turning away cakes that say "Support traditional marriage", but Christian bakers can't refuse to bake a cake that says "Support gay marriage"?


First I've heard of that, LL.

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Ohfour wrote:
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Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:

If you decide that you are going to bake cakes...THEN bake cakes.

flan


And if you decide that you are going to perform weddings? 


That's different.

flan 


Why is that different? 


Why is a WEDDING different from a CAKE?

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flan327 wrote:
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flan327 wrote:

If you decide that you are going to bake cakes...THEN bake cakes.

flan


 Then why are gay bakers getting away with turning away cakes that say "Support traditional marriage", but Christian bakers can't refuse to bake a cake that says "Support gay marriage"?


First I've heard of that, LL.

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 Of course it is - you don't expect the liberal media to be all over that, do you?



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flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:

If you decide that you are going to bake cakes...THEN bake cakes.

flan


And if you decide that you are going to perform weddings? 


That's different.

flan 


Why is that different? 


Why is a WEDDING different from a CAKE?

flan 


Yes.  Its a profession you chose.  Just like baking a cake.  I want to know the difference. 



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It IS the gospel truth.

I would say that in the next 5 to 10 years we will no longer be allowed to mention God in any way without it being a possible misdemeanor.

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It IS the gospel truth.

I would say that in the next 5 to 10 years we will no longer be allowed to mention God in any way without it being a possible misdemeanor.


 I hope you live that long so you can see how WRONG you are.

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Still waiting on the difference between a person that performs wedding and someone that makes a cake...

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Still waiting on the difference between a person that performs wedding and someone that makes a cake...


 I feel the need to channel VoR here.

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flan doesn't answer questions so do expect to get one on this.

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flan327 wrote:
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Still waiting on the difference between a person that performs wedding and someone that makes a cake...


 I feel the need to channel VoR here.

flan


Knock yourself out.  It's a valid question.  Let's say you own a wedding chapel.  Not really a church per say, but as an ordained minister, you host weddings at this chapel. Should this ordained minister be forced to officiate gay weddings? 



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Of course.

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flan327 wrote:
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Still waiting on the difference between a person that performs wedding and someone that makes a cake...


 I feel the need to channel VoR here.

flan


Where did she go btw?  Come to think of it, I miss her! 



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I love the "it'll never happen" supporters. Remember when Christians first said we won't support same-sex marriage because it will lead to Christians being forced to participate? "That will never happen. You are fear-mongering." Now those same people argue that the Christians should serve them gladly just because they are in business.

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Well, they say, oh it will never happen. Then when it does happen, they say, of course it should happen.

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Well, they say, oh it will never happen. Then when it does happen, they say, of course it should happen.


 Exactly. 



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Yes, and we should be happy to go against our conscience, because if we don't bake that cake then no one will. Sheesh I can see it now.

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Yes, and we should be happy to go against our conscience, because if we don't bake that cake then no one will. Sheesh I can see it now.


 WEll, baking a cake for the vow to sin forever is the ONLY way to show love.  If you refuse, you must hate them. evileye



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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
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Still waiting on the difference between a person that performs wedding and someone that makes a cake...


 I feel the need to channel VoR here.

flan


Where did she go btw?  Come to think of it, I miss her! 


 Board break, I guess. I miss her too!

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Still waiting...


*cue Jeopardy theme music*

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I applaud the fact that same-sex marriages are being performed in America.

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Still waiting...


*cue Jeopardy theme music*


 I hope you aren't holding your breath?  I asked a question on the other thread that is still waiting for an answer.  It must be a trap.



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Ohfour wrote:

Still waiting...


*cue Jeopardy theme music*


 You are too intelligent to play this game.

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Still waiting...


*cue Jeopardy theme music*


 I hope you aren't holding your breath?  I asked a question on the other thread that is still waiting for an answer.  It must be a trap.


 You are really showing your true colors.

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Why can't you ever give an answer flan? Serious question because I've never seen you answer a direct question from LL. You dance around it or start talking about other stuff like that's an answer. Your debating skills are very questionable to say the least.

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gay_rainbow_cake.jpg



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Where did you get that cake?????

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 Did you bake that for a gay wedding?



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Still waiting...


*cue Jeopardy theme music*


 I hope you aren't holding your breath?  I asked a question on the other thread that is still waiting for an answer.  It must be a trap.


 You are really showing your true colors.

flan


 Coming from you that means absolutely nothing.  You showed yours a long time ago.



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Flan has to wait for someone just to agree with.


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gay_rainbow_cake.jpg


 Did you bake that for a gay wedding?


I thought we talking about true colors.  I brought in some color! 



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Flan has to wait for someone just to agree with.


 And if that doesn't happen, she starts insulting people instead.



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Yer mother wears combat boots! Ack!

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That cake is pretty, Gaga, but I shudder at the amount of artificial color it took to make.

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I love rainbows.

But now, anytime you wear one or paint or draw one or have anything rainbow, the first thing a person thinks is gay pride.

Sad really.

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I love rainbows.

But now, anytime you wear one or paint or draw one or have anything rainbow, the first thing a person thinks is gay pride.

Sad really.


 A rainbow is the promise of God's covenant not to flood the earth again. 



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Flan has to wait for someone just to agree with.


 And if that doesn't happen, she starts insulting people instead.


 Yep. And their kids.



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I used to wear combat boots....but that was when I had a Mohawk... 



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