TOTALLY GEEKED!

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

RE: Mike Huckabee: "We Are Moving Rapidly Toward The Criminalization Of Christianity"

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Yer mother wears combat boots! Ack!

Is that still an insult? I think we need some new material. After all - cross dressing is completely normal and acceptable now. AND women fight in combat now.

All in all - that insult is out of date and not really an insult at all.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I love rainbows.

But now, anytime you wear one or paint or draw one or have anything rainbow, the first thing a person thinks is gay pride.

Sad really.
A rainbow is the promise of God's covenant not to flood the earth again.
Yeah I know.
But it has been twised by the agenda.

Only if you let it.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I know that.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Flan has to wait for someone just to agree with.
And if that doesn't happen, she starts insulting people instead.
Yep. And their kids.

I never "insulted" your son.

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Here's my two cents. I used to support the gay community a lot more than I did now. I felt they were discriminated against and that people treated them unfairly. Now I don't. IMO gays don't really want to "live in peace". They want to take over. It's not good enough to have rights. They have to take away everyone elses to be happy. They don't want to coexist. They want their rights to supersede everyone else. Every time an idiotic lawsuit comes along they set back the gay rights movement. Every time a gay person claims they had to start smoking, couldn't eat, couldn't digest their food and yet gained weight because of not getting a wedding cake they set the movement back. You get migraines after work because you didn't have a wedding cake from specific bakery? You are no longer credible to me nor is your movement. The message you send me is "I want to bully you into doing what I want and I'll do anything I can to do it." I remember another lesbian couple that sued over a cake and they came up with some really bizarre list of complaints too. I think one of them listed fatigue as a complaint.

I do think Christians are being targeted and I don't think the gay movement is doing themselves any good in the way they are going about it.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

18 The material of the wall was jasper; and the city was pure gold, like clear glass. 19The foundation stones of the city wall were adorned with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation stone was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, chalcedony; the fourth, emerald;20the fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, topaz; the tenth, chrysoprase; the eleventh, jacinth; the twelfth, amethyst.

That's in Revelations. Talking about the foundation of Heaven. It sounds A LOT like a rainbow.

I think when we see a rainbow, we are getting a glimpse of the light shining through the foundation of Heaven.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Flan has to wait for someone just to agree with.
And if that doesn't happen, she starts insulting people instead.
Yep. And their kids.
I never "insulted" your son.
flan

Funny you went directly to that. Says more about your intentions than you like to think it does.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Here's my two cents. I used to support the gay community a lot more than I did now. I felt they were discriminated against and that people treated them unfairly. Now I don't. IMO gays don't really want to "live in peace". They want to take over. It's not good enough to have rights. They have to take away everyone elses to be happy. They don't want to coexist. They want their rights to supersede everyone else. Every time an idiotic lawsuit comes along they set back the gay rights movement. Every time a gay person claims they had to start smoking, couldn't eat, couldn't digest their food and yet gained weight because of not getting a wedding cake they set the movement back. You get migraines after work because you didn't have a wedding cake from specific bakery? You are no longer credible to me nor is your movement. The message you send me is "I want to bully you into doing what I want and I'll do anything I can to do it." I remember another lesbian couple that sued over a cake and they came up with some really bizarre list of complaints too. I think one of them listed fatigue as a complaint.

I do think Christians are being targeted and I don't think the gay movement is doing themselves any good in the way they are going about it.

But NJN, do you feel that is the case for the majority of homosexuals?

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I do. I do think there is a collective think that says their wants trumps everyone's rights.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

flan327 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Here's my two cents. I used to support the gay community a lot more than I did now. I felt they were discriminated against and that people treated them unfairly. Now I don't. IMO gays don't really want to "live in peace". They want to take over. It's not good enough to have rights. They have to take away everyone elses to be happy. They don't want to coexist. They want their rights to supersede everyone else. Every time an idiotic lawsuit comes along they set back the gay rights movement. Every time a gay person claims they had to start smoking, couldn't eat, couldn't digest their food and yet gained weight because of not getting a wedding cake they set the movement back. You get migraines after work because you didn't have a wedding cake from specific bakery? You are no longer credible to me nor is your movement. The message you send me is "I want to bully you into doing what I want and I'll do anything I can to do it." I remember another lesbian couple that sued over a cake and they came up with some really bizarre list of complaints too. I think one of them listed fatigue as a complaint.

I do think Christians are being targeted and I don't think the gay movement is doing themselves any good in the way they are going about it.
But NJN, do you feel that is the case for the majority of homosexuals?
flan

I used to not feel that way but now I do. I wish I didn't but I'm tired of so many homosexuals being so right up there in your face. I have a few homosexual friends but they are not like these people. They don't talk about stuff incessantly and they don't feel like the world is out to get them. Honestly? I wish these people in the news would STFU because they make me not want to ever talk to a gay person much less deal with them on a personal level. I'm sure that offends some but that's how I feel. Yes, I feel like the majority of the homosexuals are trying to force their views onto other people.

I honestly don't get the cake thing. GO SOMEWHERE ELSE! People get bad service from others all the time for all kinds of reasons. Simply GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. These lawsuits honestly make me despise the whole gay rights movement. They certainly DO NOT bring out my tolerance or love or acceptance or anything else.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Saying "People are getting sick and tired of you using religion as a way to discriminate against gays and lesbians, and you may no longer do that, but must treat everyone fairly regardless of sexual orientation." is a very, very long ways away from saying "You must convert to another faith or be an athiest because being a Christian is now illegal, now stand aside as we demolish your place of worship."
This article is pure BS, designed to stir up trouble.
I am all for freedom of religion, but I am so sick and tired of people using their religion--any religion--to treat others poorly. What is the point? If your religion inspires you to be a kind person, a loving person, and it gives you hope and peace, then you do your religion right, and good for you! If it makes you nasty and judgmental, then no, you are doing your religion wrong, and
I have an aunt and uncle that are Catholic. They run their own business, and in the winter they sell garlands and wreaths and the like. Sometimes I help out. This last year they had a sizable order from a lesbian couple in town that were having an anniversary party just before Christmas. My aunt and uncle never considered turning them away for being gay. They are the kindest, most welcoming people I know, and they and their children do religion right.
In my opinion, most of the people on this board are failing at religion. It is a sad statement on the state of the world that the nice, kind, and wise people I know IRL are evenly split between Christians and athiests, but all of the nasty and judgmental ones are Christians.

Tinydancer · Guru

This is how I'm starting to feel too NJN. When they start to have more rights than I do I get angry. No one groups rights are more important than another groups rights. Not just their own right to do something but also forcing me to do something my conscience says no to really is what they want and they won't stop until they get it.

Tinydancer · Guru

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Saying "People are getting sick and tired of you using religion as a way to discriminate against gays and lesbians, and you may no longer do that, but must treat everyone fairly regardless of sexual orientation." is a very, very long ways away from saying "You must convert to another faith or be an athiest because being a Christian is now illegal, now stand aside as we demolish your place of worship."
This article is pure BS, designed to stir up trouble.
I am all for freedom of religion, but I am so sick and tired of people using their religion--any religion--to treat others poorly. What is the point? If your religion inspires you to be a kind person, a loving person, and it gives you hope and peace, then you do your religion right, and good for you! If it makes you nasty and judgmental, then no, you are doing your religion wrong, and
I have an aunt and uncle that are Catholic. They run their own business, and in the winter they sell garlands and wreaths and the like. Sometimes I help out. This last year they had a sizable order from a lesbian couple in town that were having an anniversary party just before Christmas. My aunt and uncle never considered turning them away for being gay. They are the kindest, most welcoming people I know, and they and their children do religion right.
In my opinion, most of the people on this board are failing at religion. It is a sad statement on the state of the world that the nice, kind, and wise people I know IRL are evenly split between Christians and athiests, but all of the nasty and judgmental ones are Christians.

My religion tells me not to condone sin so why does anyone else get to tell me I must condone a sin. Homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible but you can just continue to tell me how I'm treating them poorly because I won't make a cake. There are plenty of bakers who have no problem with it so I'm sick and tired of being told that what they want is more important than my religion. By the way the bolded may be what you think religion is but it's not.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

But to some people it isn't about "doing religion". It's about "doing god". Anyone can do religion. To believe in god and christ and what that entails is a whole different ball game.

Ohfour · Hooker

Tinydancer wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Saying "People are getting sick and tired of you using religion as a way to discriminate against gays and lesbians, and you may no longer do that, but must treat everyone fairly regardless of sexual orientation." is a very, very long ways away from saying "You must convert to another faith or be an athiest because being a Christian is now illegal, now stand aside as we demolish your place of worship."
This article is pure BS, designed to stir up trouble.
I am all for freedom of religion, but I am so sick and tired of people using their religion--any religion--to treat others poorly. What is the point? If your religion inspires you to be a kind person, a loving person, and it gives you hope and peace, then you do your religion right, and good for you! If it makes you nasty and judgmental, then no, you are doing your religion wrong, and
I have an aunt and uncle that are Catholic. They run their own business, and in the winter they sell garlands and wreaths and the like. Sometimes I help out. This last year they had a sizable order from a lesbian couple in town that were having an anniversary party just before Christmas. My aunt and uncle never considered turning them away for being gay. They are the kindest, most welcoming people I know, and they and their children do religion right.
In my opinion, most of the people on this board are failing at religion. It is a sad statement on the state of the world that the nice, kind, and wise people I know IRL are evenly split between Christians and athiests, but all of the nasty and judgmental ones are Christians.
My religion tells me not to condone sin so why does anyone else get to tell me I must condone a sin. Homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible but you can just continue to tell me how I'm treating them poorly because I won't make a cake. There are plenty of bakers who have no problem with it so I'm sick and tired of being told that what they want is more important than my religion. By the way the bolded may be what you think religion is but it's not.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Also, those are YOUR beliefs. Just because YOU may be a Christian who believes homosexuality isn't a sin doesn't mean all Christians need to believe what you believe or follow your beliefs or action. And tell me how it is damaging not to make a cake? Every time we have this debate all the Christians say the same thing. They would serve them food and not discriminate but that a wedding cake is about a marriage. Sacred vows made to and before god. A cake is symbolic of something far greater than a slice of pizza.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I have never in my life heard someone say Do Religion. In every church I've ever been to in my entire life they caution you AGAINST "DOING RELIGION".

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Tinydancer wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Saying "People are getting sick and tired of you using religion as a way to discriminate against gays and lesbians, and you may no longer do that, but must treat everyone fairly regardless of sexual orientation." is a very, very long ways away from saying "You must convert to another faith or be an athiest because being a Christian is now illegal, now stand aside as we demolish your place of worship."
This article is pure BS, designed to stir up trouble.
I am all for freedom of religion, but I am so sick and tired of people using their religion--any religion--to treat others poorly. What is the point? If your religion inspires you to be a kind person, a loving person, and it gives you hope and peace, then you do your religion right, and good for you! If it makes you nasty and judgmental, then no, you are doing your religion wrong, and
I have an aunt and uncle that are Catholic. They run their own business, and in the winter they sell garlands and wreaths and the like. Sometimes I help out. This last year they had a sizable order from a lesbian couple in town that were having an anniversary party just before Christmas. My aunt and uncle never considered turning them away for being gay. They are the kindest, most welcoming people I know, and they and their children do religion right.
In my opinion, most of the people on this board are failing at religion. It is a sad statement on the state of the world that the nice, kind, and wise people I know IRL are evenly split between Christians and athiests, but all of the nasty and judgmental ones are Christians.
My religion tells me not to condone sin so why does anyone else get to tell me I must condone a sin. Homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible but you can just continue to tell me how I'm treating them poorly because I won't make a cake. There are plenty of bakers who have no problem with it so I'm sick and tired of being told that what they want is more important than my religion. By the way the bolded may be what you think religion is but it's not.

Because I do not CARE what you think is a sin, because our laws are no longer dependent on the Bible. Being gay is not against the law here. They have a right to exist, a right to the same services as everyone else. You can have your religion, and worship freely, but no, you may not discriminate. That is that. If treating people equally regardless of sexual orientation goes against your religion, well, sucks to be you, because it is the law in plenty of places now. Deal with it, grow up, move on. The world will not end if you treat people equally regardless of who they sleep with. It won't, I promise.

And this isn't about cake, this is about some president-wanna-be trying to start a panic wave to ride into the White House with. A dumb panic wave.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Saying "People are getting sick and tired of you using religion as a way to discriminate against gays and lesbians, and you may no longer do that, but must treat everyone fairly regardless of sexual orientation." is a very, very long ways away from saying "You must convert to another faith or be an athiest because being a Christian is now illegal, now stand aside as we demolish your place of worship."
This article is pure BS, designed to stir up trouble.
I am all for freedom of religion, but I am so sick and tired of people using their religion--any religion--to treat others poorly. What is the point? If your religion inspires you to be a kind person, a loving person, and it gives you hope and peace, then you do your religion right, and good for you! If it makes you nasty and judgmental, then no, you are doing your religion wrong, and
I have an aunt and uncle that are Catholic. They run their own business, and in the winter they sell garlands and wreaths and the like. Sometimes I help out. This last year they had a sizable order from a lesbian couple in town that were having an anniversary party just before Christmas. My aunt and uncle never considered turning them away for being gay. They are the kindest, most welcoming people I know, and they and their children do religion right.
In my opinion, most of the people on this board are failing at religion. It is a sad statement on the state of the world that the nice, kind, and wise people I know IRL are evenly split between Christians and athiests, but all of the nasty and judgmental ones are Christians.

When did saying no become treating someone poorly?

Ohfour · Hooker

So Dona, do you condone forcing an ordained minister to perform a wedding ceremony? I can't seem to get an answer on anyone about that...

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Whenever these lawsuits come out I am always struck by how they seem to have vague and non provable damages for supposedly being "injured" by not having a cake or a photographer. I wonder if that is because they really AREN'T suffering? Why is it that you don't see huge lawsuits against employers for discriminating against gay people? It's always cakes and photographers. My guess is that gay people have just as many rights as anyone else and this is the one area they haven't managed to bully their way into controlling.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

I have seen religion, and belief in God inspire people to do great things. GO to war-ravenged countries, become a doctor, end a cycle of substance abuse, help the poor. I have seen it comfort a mother who lost her young son, and a father thousands of miles away from his family. I respect that. I am in awe of that.

And then you have people that stomp their feet and hide behind the curtain of 'religion' to do stupid things like refuse service.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
I do. I do think there is a collective think that says their wants trumps everyone's rights.

You don't CHOOSE your sexual orientation.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
I have seen religion, and belief in God inspire people to do great things. GO to war-ravenged countries, become a doctor, end a cycle of substance abuse, help the poor. I have seen it comfort a mother who lost her young son, and a father thousands of miles away from his family. I respect that. I am in awe of that.

And then you have people that stomp their feet and hide behind the curtain of 'religion' to do stupid things like refuse service.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Saying "People are getting sick and tired of you using religion as a way to discriminate against gays and lesbians, and you may no longer do that, but must treat everyone fairly regardless of sexual orientation." is a very, very long ways away from saying "You must convert to another faith or be an athiest because being a Christian is now illegal, now stand aside as we demolish your place of worship."
This article is pure BS, designed to stir up trouble.
I am all for freedom of religion, but I am so sick and tired of people using their religion--any religion--to treat others poorly. What is the point? If your religion inspires you to be a kind person, a loving person, and it gives you hope and peace, then you do your religion right, and good for you! If it makes you nasty and judgmental, then no, you are doing your religion wrong, and
I have an aunt and uncle that are Catholic. They run their own business, and in the winter they sell garlands and wreaths and the like. Sometimes I help out. This last year they had a sizable order from a lesbian couple in town that were having an anniversary party just before Christmas. My aunt and uncle never considered turning them away for being gay. They are the kindest, most welcoming people I know, and they and their children do religion right.
In my opinion, most of the people on this board are failing at religion. It is a sad statement on the state of the world that the nice, kind, and wise people I know IRL are evenly split between Christians and athiests, but all of the nasty and judgmental ones are Christians.
My religion tells me not to condone sin so why does anyone else get to tell me I must condone a sin. Homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible but you can just continue to tell me how I'm treating them poorly because I won't make a cake. There are plenty of bakers who have no problem with it so I'm sick and tired of being told that what they want is more important than my religion. By the way the bolded may be what you think religion is but it's not.
Because I do not CARE what you think is a sin, because our laws are no longer dependent on the Bible. Being gay is not against the law here. They have a right to exist, a right to the same services as everyone else. You can have your religion, and worship freely, but no, you may not discriminate. That is that. If treating people equally regardless of sexual orientation goes against your religion, well, sucks to be you, because it is the law in plenty of places now. Deal with it, grow up, move on. The world will not end if you treat people equally regardless of who they sleep with. It won't, I promise.
And this isn't about cake, this is about some president-wanna-be trying to start a panic wave to ride into the White House with. A dumb panic wave.

Well I do not care what you think isn't a sin. The Bible tells me what is and isn't sin, not you, not the government. If I won't bake you a cake for a gay wedding go find someone else to do it. Well, sucks to be you so take your own advise and Deal with it, grow up, move on.

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I do. I do think there is a collective think that says their wants trumps everyone's rights.
You don't CHOOSE your sexual orientation.
flan

Marriage has nothing to do with sexual orientation. You MAY NOT chose your orientation, but you DO chose to get married...Marriage is a choice...

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Ohfour wrote:
So Dona, do you condone forcing an ordained minister to perform a wedding ceremony? I can't seem to get an answer on anyone about that...

Nope.

And I think that people that target others specifically to cause trouble don't deserve to get their lawsuits heard. Save discrimination lawsuits for when they are needed, and be reasonable about it.

Ohfour · Hooker

I guess I'm going to be ignored again, huh? Seems the liberals don't want to answer my question...imagine that...

Ohfour · Hooker

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
So Dona, do you condone forcing an ordained minister to perform a wedding ceremony? I can't seem to get an answer on anyone about that...
Nope.
And I think that people that target others specifically to cause trouble don't deserve to get their lawsuits heard. Save discrimination lawsuits for when they are needed, and be reasonable about it.

But that's exactly what's happening. And because of that, people are getting real sick and tired of the gay agenda...

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Tinydancer wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Saying "People are getting sick and tired of you using religion as a way to discriminate against gays and lesbians, and you may no longer do that, but must treat everyone fairly regardless of sexual orientation." is a very, very long ways away from saying "You must convert to another faith or be an athiest because being a Christian is now illegal, now stand aside as we demolish your place of worship."
This article is pure BS, designed to stir up trouble.
I am all for freedom of religion, but I am so sick and tired of people using their religion--any religion--to treat others poorly. What is the point? If your religion inspires you to be a kind person, a loving person, and it gives you hope and peace, then you do your religion right, and good for you! If it makes you nasty and judgmental, then no, you are doing your religion wrong, and
I have an aunt and uncle that are Catholic. They run their own business, and in the winter they sell garlands and wreaths and the like. Sometimes I help out. This last year they had a sizable order from a lesbian couple in town that were having an anniversary party just before Christmas. My aunt and uncle never considered turning them away for being gay. They are the kindest, most welcoming people I know, and they and their children do religion right.
In my opinion, most of the people on this board are failing at religion. It is a sad statement on the state of the world that the nice, kind, and wise people I know IRL are evenly split between Christians and athiests, but all of the nasty and judgmental ones are Christians.
My religion tells me not to condone sin so why does anyone else get to tell me I must condone a sin. Homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible but you can just continue to tell me how I'm treating them poorly because I won't make a cake. There are plenty of bakers who have no problem with it so I'm sick and tired of being told that what they want is more important than my religion. By the way the bolded may be what you think religion is but it's not.
Because I do not CARE what you think is a sin, because our laws are no longer dependent on the Bible. Being gay is not against the law here. They have a right to exist, a right to the same services as everyone else. You can have your religion, and worship freely, but no, you may not discriminate. That is that. If treating people equally regardless of sexual orientation goes against your religion, well, sucks to be you, because it is the law in plenty of places now. Deal with it, grow up, move on. The world will not end if you treat people equally regardless of who they sleep with. It won't, I promise.
And this isn't about cake, this is about some president-wanna-be trying to start a panic wave to ride into the White House with. A dumb panic wave.
Well I do not care what you think isn't a sin. The Bible tells me what is and isn't sin, not you, not the government. If I won't bake you a cake for a gay wedding go find someone else to do it. Well, sucks to be you so take your own advise and Deal with it, grow up, move on.

The Bible doesn't dictate the laws of the country you live in, so you are the one out of luck, not me.

Ohfour · Hooker

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
So Dona, do you condone forcing an ordained minister to perform a wedding ceremony? I can't seem to get an answer on anyone about that...
Nope.
And I think that people that target others specifically to cause trouble don't deserve to get their lawsuits heard. Save discrimination lawsuits for when they are needed, and be reasonable about it.

So what's the difference between the baker and the minister?

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Ohfour wrote:
So Dona, do you condone forcing an ordained minister to perform a wedding ceremony? I can't seem to get an answer on anyone about that...

I do not condone forcing an ordained minister to perform a gay ceremony if it is against the beliefs of his religion. I'm pretty sure if I asked a Rabbi to perform a wedding ceremony for me he would decline as would a Catholic priest. That does not mean I don't have the right to marry the person of my choosing. I just need to find someone who doesn't care that I am not practicing a religion.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Ohfour wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
So Dona, do you condone forcing an ordained minister to perform a wedding ceremony? I can't seem to get an answer on anyone about that...
Nope.
And I think that people that target others specifically to cause trouble don't deserve to get their lawsuits heard. Save discrimination lawsuits for when they are needed, and be reasonable about it.
But that's exactly what's happening. And because of that, people are getting real sick and tired of the gay agenda...

And it is wrong. Frivolous lawsuits drain the legal system and unfairly target everyday people.

But discrimination is also wrong.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lexxy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
So Dona, do you condone forcing an ordained minister to perform a wedding ceremony? I can't seem to get an answer on anyone about that...
I do not condone forcing an ordained minister to perform a gay ceremony if it is against the beliefs of his religion. I'm pretty sure if I asked a Rabbi to perform a wedding ceremony for me he would decline as would a Catholic priest. That does not mean I don't have the right to marry the person of my choosing. I just need to find someone who doesn't care that I am not practicing a religion.

So why can't you find another baker then?

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Ohfour wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
So Dona, do you condone forcing an ordained minister to perform a wedding ceremony? I can't seem to get an answer on anyone about that...
Nope.
And I think that people that target others specifically to cause trouble don't deserve to get their lawsuits heard. Save discrimination lawsuits for when they are needed, and be reasonable about it.
So what's the difference between the baker and the minister?

One bakes for money. THe other doesn't. Is this really a question?

No wonder you haven't gotten anywhere with it. It is a very stupid question.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Ohfour wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
So Dona, do you condone forcing an ordained minister to perform a wedding ceremony? I can't seem to get an answer on anyone about that...
I do not condone forcing an ordained minister to perform a gay ceremony if it is against the beliefs of his religion. I'm pretty sure if I asked a Rabbi to perform a wedding ceremony for me he would decline as would a Catholic priest. That does not mean I don't have the right to marry the person of my choosing. I just need to find someone who doesn't care that I am not practicing a religion.
So why can't you find another baker then?

Because bakeries are not churches, and cakes are not religious.

Seriously, why are you so stuck on this?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Ohfour wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
So Dona, do you condone forcing an ordained minister to perform a wedding ceremony? I can't seem to get an answer on anyone about that...
Nope.
And I think that people that target others specifically to cause trouble don't deserve to get their lawsuits heard. Save discrimination lawsuits for when they are needed, and be reasonable about it.
But that's exactly what's happening. And because of that, people are getting real sick and tired of the gay agenda...

Well, I offered my opinion of what I think all these stupid lawsuits are doing for the gay agenda and I got ignored. So get used to it!

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Ohfour wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
So Dona, do you condone forcing an ordained minister to perform a wedding ceremony? I can't seem to get an answer on anyone about that...
I do not condone forcing an ordained minister to perform a gay ceremony if it is against the beliefs of his religion. I'm pretty sure if I asked a Rabbi to perform a wedding ceremony for me he would decline as would a Catholic priest. That does not mean I don't have the right to marry the person of my choosing. I just need to find someone who doesn't care that I am not practicing a religion.
So why can't you find another baker then?

I said on the cake thread that I thought they should. Honestly don't bakeries turn away hetero couples for reasons too? Like they are too busy to fit them in or not enough time to do a cake that elaborate or whatever.

Ohfour · Hooker

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
So Dona, do you condone forcing an ordained minister to perform a wedding ceremony? I can't seem to get an answer on anyone about that...
Nope.
And I think that people that target others specifically to cause trouble don't deserve to get their lawsuits heard. Save discrimination lawsuits for when they are needed, and be reasonable about it.
But that's exactly what's happening. And because of that, people are getting real sick and tired of the gay agenda...
And it is wrong. Frivolous lawsuits drain the legal system and unfairly target everyday people.
But discrimination is also wrong.

A wedding is a CHOICE. We shouldn't be able to discriminate against people for their choices? Well, then, lets just rub and bump everyone...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
So Dona, do you condone forcing an ordained minister to perform a wedding ceremony? I can't seem to get an answer on anyone about that...
Nope.
And I think that people that target others specifically to cause trouble don't deserve to get their lawsuits heard. Save discrimination lawsuits for when they are needed, and be reasonable about it.
So what's the difference between the baker and the minister?
One bakes for money. THe other doesn't. Is this really a question?
No wonder you haven't gotten anywhere with it. It is a very stupid question.

Thank you!

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lexxy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
So Dona, do you condone forcing an ordained minister to perform a wedding ceremony? I can't seem to get an answer on anyone about that...
I do not condone forcing an ordained minister to perform a gay ceremony if it is against the beliefs of his religion. I'm pretty sure if I asked a Rabbi to perform a wedding ceremony for me he would decline as would a Catholic priest. That does not mean I don't have the right to marry the person of my choosing. I just need to find someone who doesn't care that I am not practicing a religion.
So why can't you find another baker then?
Because bakeries are not churches, and cakes are not religious.
Seriously, why are you so stuck on this?

And not all wedding chapels are churches. Again, if a pastor works with a non-denominational/non-religious venue, should he have to marry a gay couple?

I'm stuck on this because no one will answer that question.

Tinydancer · Guru

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Saying "People are getting sick and tired of you using religion as a way to discriminate against gays and lesbians, and you may no longer do that, but must treat everyone fairly regardless of sexual orientation." is a very, very long ways away from saying "You must convert to another faith or be an athiest because being a Christian is now illegal, now stand aside as we demolish your place of worship."
This article is pure BS, designed to stir up trouble.
I am all for freedom of religion, but I am so sick and tired of people using their religion--any religion--to treat others poorly. What is the point? If your religion inspires you to be a kind person, a loving person, and it gives you hope and peace, then you do your religion right, and good for you! If it makes you nasty and judgmental, then no, you are doing your religion wrong, and
I have an aunt and uncle that are Catholic. They run their own business, and in the winter they sell garlands and wreaths and the like. Sometimes I help out. This last year they had a sizable order from a lesbian couple in town that were having an anniversary party just before Christmas. My aunt and uncle never considered turning them away for being gay. They are the kindest, most welcoming people I know, and they and their children do religion right.
In my opinion, most of the people on this board are failing at religion. It is a sad statement on the state of the world that the nice, kind, and wise people I know IRL are evenly split between Christians and athiests, but all of the nasty and judgmental ones are Christians.
My religion tells me not to condone sin so why does anyone else get to tell me I must condone a sin. Homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible but you can just continue to tell me how I'm treating them poorly because I won't make a cake. There are plenty of bakers who have no problem with it so I'm sick and tired of being told that what they want is more important than my religion. By the way the bolded may be what you think religion is but it's not.
Because I do not CARE what you think is a sin, because our laws are no longer dependent on the Bible. Being gay is not against the law here. They have a right to exist, a right to the same services as everyone else. You can have your religion, and worship freely, but no, you may not discriminate. That is that. If treating people equally regardless of sexual orientation goes against your religion, well, sucks to be you, because it is the law in plenty of places now. Deal with it, grow up, move on. The world will not end if you treat people equally regardless of who they sleep with. It won't, I promise.
And this isn't about cake, this is about some president-wanna-be trying to start a panic wave to ride into the White House with. A dumb panic wave.
Well I do not care what you think isn't a sin. The Bible tells me what is and isn't sin, not you, not the government. If I won't bake you a cake for a gay wedding go find someone else to do it. Well, sucks to be you so take your own advise and Deal with it, grow up, move on.
The Bible doesn't dictate the laws of the country you live in, so you are the one out of luck, not me.

So you admit you're okay with taking away my religious freedom and you don't care that I'm be forced to participate in a sin that my religion clearly states is a sin? I get it now, freedom for everyone but the Christians.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Saying "People are getting sick and tired of you using religion as a way to discriminate against gays and lesbians, and you may no longer do that, but must treat everyone fairly regardless of sexual orientation." is a very, very long ways away from saying "You must convert to another faith or be an athiest because being a Christian is now illegal, now stand aside as we demolish your place of worship."
This article is pure BS, designed to stir up trouble.
I am all for freedom of religion, but I am so sick and tired of people using their religion--any religion--to treat others poorly. What is the point? If your religion inspires you to be a kind person, a loving person, and it gives you hope and peace, then you do your religion right, and good for you! If it makes you nasty and judgmental, then no, you are doing your religion wrong, and
I have an aunt and uncle that are Catholic. They run their own business, and in the winter they sell garlands and wreaths and the like. Sometimes I help out. This last year they had a sizable order from a lesbian couple in town that were having an anniversary party just before Christmas. My aunt and uncle never considered turning them away for being gay. They are the kindest, most welcoming people I know, and they and their children do religion right.
In my opinion, most of the people on this board are failing at religion. It is a sad statement on the state of the world that the nice, kind, and wise people I know IRL are evenly split between Christians and athiests, but all of the nasty and judgmental ones are Christians.
My religion tells me not to condone sin so why does anyone else get to tell me I must condone a sin. Homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible but you can just continue to tell me how I'm treating them poorly because I won't make a cake. There are plenty of bakers who have no problem with it so I'm sick and tired of being told that what they want is more important than my religion. By the way the bolded may be what you think religion is but it's not.
Because I do not CARE what you think is a sin, because our laws are no longer dependent on the Bible. Being gay is not against the law here. They have a right to exist, a right to the same services as everyone else. You can have your religion, and worship freely, but no, you may not discriminate. That is that. If treating people equally regardless of sexual orientation goes against your religion, well, sucks to be you, because it is the law in plenty of places now. Deal with it, grow up, move on. The world will not end if you treat people equally regardless of who they sleep with. It won't, I promise.
And this isn't about cake, this is about some president-wanna-be trying to start a panic wave to ride into the White House with. A dumb panic wave.
Well I do not care what you think isn't a sin. The Bible tells me what is and isn't sin, not you, not the government. If I won't bake you a cake for a gay wedding go find someone else to do it. Well, sucks to be you so take your own advise and Deal with it, grow up, move on.
The Bible doesn't dictate the laws of the country you live in, so you are the one out of luck, not me.

Thank goodness!

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
So Dona, do you condone forcing an ordained minister to perform a wedding ceremony? I can't seem to get an answer on anyone about that...
Nope.
And I think that people that target others specifically to cause trouble don't deserve to get their lawsuits heard. Save discrimination lawsuits for when they are needed, and be reasonable about it.
So what's the difference between the baker and the minister?
One bakes for money. THe other doesn't. Is this really a question?
No wonder you haven't gotten anywhere with it. It is a very stupid question.
Thank you!
flan

I know quite a few ordained ministers that "work for money" for wedding venues. Some of them aren't even pastors of churches, yet are ordained Christian ministers. What's so hard for you to understand about that? Not all ministers are church affiliated...

Tinydancer · Guru

Spoiler
flan327 wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Saying "People are getting sick and tired of you using religion as a way to discriminate against gays and lesbians, and you may no longer do that, but must treat everyone fairly regardless of sexual orientation." is a very, very long ways away from saying "You must convert to another faith or be an athiest because being a Christian is now illegal, now stand aside as we demolish your place of worship."
This article is pure BS, designed to stir up trouble.
I am all for freedom of religion, but I am so sick and tired of people using their religion--any religion--to treat others poorly. What is the point? If your religion inspires you to be a kind person, a loving person, and it gives you hope and peace, then you do your religion right, and good for you! If it makes you nasty and judgmental, then no, you are doing your religion wrong, and
I have an aunt and uncle that are Catholic. They run their own business, and in the winter they sell garlands and wreaths and the like. Sometimes I help out. This last year they had a sizable order from a lesbian couple in town that were having an anniversary party just before Christmas. My aunt and uncle never considered turning them away for being gay. They are the kindest, most welcoming people I know, and they and their children do religion right.
In my opinion, most of the people on this board are failing at religion. It is a sad statement on the state of the world that the nice, kind, and wise people I know IRL are evenly split between Christians and athiests, but all of the nasty and judgmental ones are Christians.
My religion tells me not to condone sin so why does anyone else get to tell me I must condone a sin. Homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible but you can just continue to tell me how I'm treating them poorly because I won't make a cake. There are plenty of bakers who have no problem with it so I'm sick and tired of being told that what they want is more important than my religion. By the way the bolded may be what you think religion is but it's not.
Because I do not CARE what you think is a sin, because our laws are no longer dependent on the Bible. Being gay is not against the law here. They have a right to exist, a right to the same services as everyone else. You can have your religion, and worship freely, but no, you may not discriminate. That is that. If treating people equally regardless of sexual orientation goes against your religion, well, sucks to be you, because it is the law in plenty of places now. Deal with it, grow up, move on. The world will not end if you treat people equally regardless of who they sleep with. It won't, I promise.
And this isn't about cake, this is about some president-wanna-be trying to start a panic wave to ride into the White House with. A dumb panic wave.
Well I do not care what you think isn't a sin. The Bible tells me what is and isn't sin, not you, not the government. If I won't bake you a cake for a gay wedding go find someone else to do it. Well, sucks to be you so take your own advise and Deal with it, grow up, move on.
The Bible doesn't dictate the laws of the country you live in, so you are the one out of luck, not me.
Thank goodness!
flan

I don't bake cakes for a living and if I did I'd be smart enough to give another reason for not baking the cake. Oh and our laws most certainly are based on the Bible and it's just stupid to claim it's not...lol

Ohfour · Hooker

Hmm...I'm not feeling the love today...

chef · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Here's my two cents. I used to support the gay community a lot more than I did now. I felt they were discriminated against and that people treated them unfairly. Now I don't. IMO gays don't really want to "live in peace". They want to take over. It's not good enough to have rights. They have to take away everyone elses to be happy. They don't want to coexist. They want their rights to supersede everyone else. Every time an idiotic lawsuit comes along they set back the gay rights movement. Every time a gay person claims they had to start smoking, couldn't eat, couldn't digest their food and yet gained weight because of not getting a wedding cake they set the movement back. You get migraines after work because you didn't have a wedding cake from specific bakery? You are no longer credible to me nor is your movement. The message you send me is "I want to bully you into doing what I want and I'll do anything I can to do it." I remember another lesbian couple that sued over a cake and they came up with some really bizarre list of complaints too. I think one of them listed fatigue as a complaint.

I do think Christians are being targeted and I don't think the gay movement is doing themselves any good in the way they are going about it.

This.

Tinydancer · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Hmm...I'm not feeling the love today...

Well if you were gay we'd be forced to show you love whether we felt it or not...lol

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Tinydancer wrote:
Spoiler
flan327 wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Saying "People are getting sick and tired of you using religion as a way to discriminate against gays and lesbians, and you may no longer do that, but must treat everyone fairly regardless of sexual orientation." is a very, very long ways away from saying "You must convert to another faith or be an athiest because being a Christian is now illegal, now stand aside as we demolish your place of worship."
This article is pure BS, designed to stir up trouble.
I am all for freedom of religion, but I am so sick and tired of people using their religion--any religion--to treat others poorly. What is the point? If your religion inspires you to be a kind person, a loving person, and it gives you hope and peace, then you do your religion right, and good for you! If it makes you nasty and judgmental, then no, you are doing your religion wrong, and
I have an aunt and uncle that are Catholic. They run their own business, and in the winter they sell garlands and wreaths and the like. Sometimes I help out. This last year they had a sizable order from a lesbian couple in town that were having an anniversary party just before Christmas. My aunt and uncle never considered turning them away for being gay. They are the kindest, most welcoming people I know, and they and their children do religion right.
In my opinion, most of the people on this board are failing at religion. It is a sad statement on the state of the world that the nice, kind, and wise people I know IRL are evenly split between Christians and athiests, but all of the nasty and judgmental ones are Christians.
My religion tells me not to condone sin so why does anyone else get to tell me I must condone a sin. Homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible but you can just continue to tell me how I'm treating them poorly because I won't make a cake. There are plenty of bakers who have no problem with it so I'm sick and tired of being told that what they want is more important than my religion. By the way the bolded may be what you think religion is but it's not.
Because I do not CARE what you think is a sin, because our laws are no longer dependent on the Bible. Being gay is not against the law here. They have a right to exist, a right to the same services as everyone else. You can have your religion, and worship freely, but no, you may not discriminate. That is that. If treating people equally regardless of sexual orientation goes against your religion, well, sucks to be you, because it is the law in plenty of places now. Deal with it, grow up, move on. The world will not end if you treat people equally regardless of who they sleep with. It won't, I promise.
And this isn't about cake, this is about some president-wanna-be trying to start a panic wave to ride into the White House with. A dumb panic wave.
Well I do not care what you think isn't a sin. The Bible tells me what is and isn't sin, not you, not the government. If I won't bake you a cake for a gay wedding go find someone else to do it. Well, sucks to be you so take your own advise and Deal with it, grow up, move on.
The Bible doesn't dictate the laws of the country you live in, so you are the one out of luck, not me.
Thank goodness!
flan
I don't bake cakes for a living and if I did I'd be smart enough to give another reason for not baking the cake. Oh and our laws most certainly are based on the Bible and it's just stupid to claim it's not...lol

Based on, yes...Supersedes existing laws...no.

flan