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RE: Mike Huckabee: "We Are Moving Rapidly Toward The Criminalization Of Christianity"

ed11563 · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Why do people assume that people are having sex together just because they are married (or getting married)?
Why is MARRYING a sin?
That is a joke, right?

No. There is no sex in my marriage, and I'm sure there are others.

So would baker make the cake if the couple said they were not going to have sex?

WYSIWYG · Guru

Marriage has nothing to do with sexual orientation. You MAY NOT chose your orientation, but you DO chose to get married...Marriage is a choice... - Ohfour

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Unless you are gay and live in a state where it's not an option, of course.

WYSIWYG · Guru

So what's the difference between the baker and the minister? - Ohfour

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The baker gets her directions on how to produce her product from Betty Crocker, the minister gets his directions on how to produce his product from God.

WYSIWYG · Guru

And not all wedding chapels are churches. Again, if a pastor works with a non-denominational/non-religious venue, should he have to marry a gay couple?

I'm stuck on this because no one will answer that question.

- Ohfour

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I'll answer it.

If the pastor does weddings at a non-religious venue, as anything other than a "guest officiant, there only for weddings of his particular faith", then he's being hypocritical if he doesn't perform them, and he should perform them.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

WYSIWYG wrote:
And not all wedding chapels are churches. Again, if a pastor works with a non-denominational/non-religious venue, should he have to marry a gay couple?

I'm stuck on this because no one will answer that question.

- Ohfour

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I'll answer it.

If the pastor does weddings at a non-religious venue, as anything other than a "guest officiant, there only for weddings of his particular faith", then he's being hypocritical if he doesn't perform them, and he should perform them.

That is absolutely ridiculous.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Saying "People are getting sick and tired of you using religion as a way to discriminate against gays and lesbians, and you may no longer do that, but must treat everyone fairly regardless of sexual orientation." is a very, very long ways away from saying "You must convert to another faith or be an athiest because being a Christian is now illegal, now stand aside as we demolish your place of worship."
This article is pure BS, designed to stir up trouble.
I am all for freedom of religion, but I am so sick and tired of people using their religion--any religion--to treat others poorly. What is the point? If your religion inspires you to be a kind person, a loving person, and it gives you hope and peace, then you do your religion right, and good for you! If it makes you nasty and judgmental, then no, you are doing your religion wrong, and
I have an aunt and uncle that are Catholic. They run their own business, and in the winter they sell garlands and wreaths and the like. Sometimes I help out. This last year they had a sizable order from a lesbian couple in town that were having an anniversary party just before Christmas. My aunt and uncle never considered turning them away for being gay. They are the kindest, most welcoming people I know, and they and their children do religion right.
In my opinion, most of the people on this board are failing at religion. It is a sad statement on the state of the world that the nice, kind, and wise people I know IRL are evenly split between Christians and athiests, but all of the nasty and judgmental ones are Christians.
Who on earth are YOU to tell someone they are doing their religion wrong? This is the problem with atheists. And that last line? Same thing for atheists - I have never seen as much hate and anger towards Christians as I see on message boards. It's highly disturbing.
Because she is recounting her EXPERIENCES, which is what we all do.
I don't "hate" Christians, either here or IRL, but I don't have much patience with hypocrisy or judgmental, holier than thou types.
flan

Yeah, me neither. And that paragraph above? FULL OF IT.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

LL, I'll give your opinion all the consideration it deserves.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
LL, I'll give your opinion all the consideration it deserves.

flan

Awwww, you think I care what you think. Bless your little heart.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
LL, I'll give your opinion all the consideration it deserves.

flan
Awwww, you think I care what you think. Bless your little heart.

I know exactly how you feel about me. You were the one who couldn't resist the dig at me.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
LL, I'll give your opinion all the consideration it deserves.

flan
Awwww, you think I care what you think. Bless your little heart.
I know exactly how you feel about me. You were the one who couldn't resist the dig at me.
flan

Where was I digging at YOU? You are the queen of little digs - but my comment there was not about you. Why do you always assume everything is about you?

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
LL, I'll give your opinion all the consideration it deserves.

flan
Awwww, you think I care what you think. Bless your little heart.
I know exactly how you feel about me. You were the one who couldn't resist the dig at me.
flan

The bolded made me laugh and laugh and laugh...lol

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Why do people assume that people are having sex together just because they are married (or getting married)?
Why is MARRYING a sin?
That is a joke, right?
No. There is no sex in my marriage, and I'm sure there are others.
So would baker make the cake if the couple said they were not going to have sex?

That is usually not the case going into marriage. And if it was - it would be the basis for annulment. Sex is actually a fundamental part of marriage, and the lack of it is grounds for divorce in even states that don't have no fault divorces.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
LL, I'll give your opinion all the consideration it deserves.

flan
Awwww, you think I care what you think. Bless your little heart.
I know exactly how you feel about me. You were the one who couldn't resist the dig at me.
flan
The bolded made me laugh and laugh and laugh...lol

I know, right? Now we've gone into the twilight zone where she just makes crap up when she has no argument.

Tinydancer · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
LL, I'll give your opinion all the consideration it deserves.

flan
Awwww, you think I care what you think. Bless your little heart.
I know exactly how you feel about me. You were the one who couldn't resist the dig at me.
flan
The bolded made me laugh and laugh and laugh...lol
I know, right? Now we've gone into the twilight zone where she just makes crap up when she has no argument.

Exactly!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Saying "People are getting sick and tired of you using religion as a way to discriminate against gays and lesbians, and you may no longer do that, but must treat everyone fairly regardless of sexual orientation." is a very, very long ways away from saying "You must convert to another faith or be an athiest because being a Christian is now illegal, now stand aside as we demolish your place of worship."
This article is pure BS, designed to stir up trouble.
I am all for freedom of religion, but I am so sick and tired of people using their religion--any religion--to treat others poorly. What is the point? If your religion inspires you to be a kind person, a loving person, and it gives you hope and peace, then you do your religion right, and good for you! If it makes you nasty and judgmental, then no, you are doing your religion wrong, and
I have an aunt and uncle that are Catholic. They run their own business, and in the winter they sell garlands and wreaths and the like. Sometimes I help out. This last year they had a sizable order from a lesbian couple in town that were having an anniversary party just before Christmas. My aunt and uncle never considered turning them away for being gay. They are the kindest, most welcoming people I know, and they and their children do religion right.
In my opinion, most of the people on this board are failing at religion. It is a sad statement on the state of the world that the nice, kind, and wise people I know IRL are evenly split between Christians and athiests, but all of the nasty and judgmental ones are Christians.
Who on earth are YOU to tell someone they are doing their religion wrong? This is the problem with atheists. And that last line? Same thing for atheists - I have never seen as much hate and anger towards Christians as I see on message boards. It's highly disturbing.
Because she is recounting her EXPERIENCES, which is what we all do.
I don't "hate" Christians, either here or IRL, but I don't have much patience with hypocrisy or judgmental, holier than thou types.
flan
Yeah, me neither. And that paragraph above? FULL OF IT.

Please explain how THIS is not about me.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

Huh...maybe because she was talking about Dona's paragraph although what you wrote was pretty hypocritical and judgmental so...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Saying "People are getting sick and tired of you using religion as a way to discriminate against gays and lesbians, and you may no longer do that, but must treat everyone fairly regardless of sexual orientation." is a very, very long ways away from saying "You must convert to another faith or be an athiest because being a Christian is now illegal, now stand aside as we demolish your place of worship."
This article is pure BS, designed to stir up trouble.
I am all for freedom of religion, but I am so sick and tired of people using their religion--any religion--to treat others poorly. What is the point? If your religion inspires you to be a kind person, a loving person, and it gives you hope and peace, then you do your religion right, and good for you! If it makes you nasty and judgmental, then no, you are doing your religion wrong, and
I have an aunt and uncle that are Catholic. They run their own business, and in the winter they sell garlands and wreaths and the like. Sometimes I help out. This last year they had a sizable order from a lesbian couple in town that were having an anniversary party just before Christmas. My aunt and uncle never considered turning them away for being gay. They are the kindest, most welcoming people I know, and they and their children do religion right.
In my opinion, most of the people on this board are failing at religion. It is a sad statement on the state of the world that the nice, kind, and wise people I know IRL are evenly split between Christians and athiests, but all of the nasty and judgmental ones are Christians.
Who on earth are YOU to tell someone they are doing their religion wrong? This is the problem with atheists. And that last line? Same thing for atheists - I have never seen as much hate and anger towards Christians as I see on message boards. It's highly disturbing.
Because she is recounting her EXPERIENCES, which is what we all do.
I don't "hate" Christians, either here or IRL, but I don't have much patience with hypocrisy or judgmental, holier than thou types.
flan
Yeah, me neither. And that paragraph above? FULL OF IT.
Please explain how THIS is not about me.
flan

I would think someone with your level of education would know the difference between a paragraph and a sentence. I was referring the hypocristy, judgmentalness and holier than thou attitude displayed in Dona's post.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Judge? Yes, I am judging. Because I am so tired of hearing about how Christianity will be illegal because Christians are no longer allowed to discriminate.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Judge? Yes, I am judging. Because I am so tired of hearing about how Christianity will be illegal because Christians are no longer allowed to discriminate.

And I'm tired of hearing about how Christians refusing to participate in the celebration of someone else's SIN is discrimination. The Christians are not the ones attempting to FORCE other people to do something. They aren't dragging homosexuals to church and making them pray. If they want to sin and celebrate it with a wedding - have at it, but leave others who want nothing to do with it out of it.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Saying "People are getting sick and tired of you using religion as a way to discriminate against gays and lesbians, and you may no longer do that, but must treat everyone fairly regardless of sexual orientation." is a very, very long ways away from saying "You must convert to another faith or be an athiest because being a Christian is now illegal, now stand aside as we demolish your place of worship."
This article is pure BS, designed to stir up trouble.
I am all for freedom of religion, but I am so sick and tired of people using their religion--any religion--to treat others poorly. What is the point? If your religion inspires you to be a kind person, a loving person, and it gives you hope and peace, then you do your religion right, and good for you! If it makes you nasty and judgmental, then no, you are doing your religion wrong, and
I have an aunt and uncle that are Catholic. They run their own business, and in the winter they sell garlands and wreaths and the like. Sometimes I help out. This last year they had a sizable order from a lesbian couple in town that were having an anniversary party just before Christmas. My aunt and uncle never considered turning them away for being gay. They are the kindest, most welcoming people I know, and they and their children do religion right.
In my opinion, most of the people on this board are failing at religion. It is a sad statement on the state of the world that the nice, kind, and wise people I know IRL are evenly split between Christians and athiests, but all of the nasty and judgmental ones are Christians.
Who on earth are YOU to tell someone they are doing their religion wrong? This is the problem with atheists. And that last line? Same thing for atheists - I have never seen as much hate and anger towards Christians as I see on message boards. It's highly disturbing.
Because she is recounting her EXPERIENCES, which is what we all do.
I don't "hate" Christians, either here or IRL, but I don't have much patience with hypocrisy or judgmental, holier than thou types.
flan
Yeah, me neither. And that paragraph above? FULL OF IT.
Please explain how THIS is not about me.
flan
I would think someone with your level of education would know the difference between a paragraph and a sentence. I was referring the hypocristy, judgmentalness and holier than thou attitude displayed in Dona's post.

We currently have TWO Geeks with family members fighting for their lives. I'm sick of playing your games right now.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Spoiler
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Saying "People are getting sick and tired of you using religion as a way to discriminate against gays and lesbians, and you may no longer do that, but must treat everyone fairly regardless of sexual orientation." is a very, very long ways away from saying "You must convert to another faith or be an athiest because being a Christian is now illegal, now stand aside as we demolish your place of worship."
This article is pure BS, designed to stir up trouble.
I am all for freedom of religion, but I am so sick and tired of people using their religion--any religion--to treat others poorly. What is the point? If your religion inspires you to be a kind person, a loving person, and it gives you hope and peace, then you do your religion right, and good for you! If it makes you nasty and judgmental, then no, you are doing your religion wrong, and
I have an aunt and uncle that are Catholic. They run their own business, and in the winter they sell garlands and wreaths and the like. Sometimes I help out. This last year they had a sizable order from a lesbian couple in town that were having an anniversary party just before Christmas. My aunt and uncle never considered turning them away for being gay. They are the kindest, most welcoming people I know, and they and their children do religion right.
In my opinion, most of the people on this board are failing at religion. It is a sad statement on the state of the world that the nice, kind, and wise people I know IRL are evenly split between Christians and athiests, but all of the nasty and judgmental ones are Christians.
Who on earth are YOU to tell someone they are doing their religion wrong? This is the problem with atheists. And that last line? Same thing for atheists - I have never seen as much hate and anger towards Christians as I see on message boards. It's highly disturbing.
Because she is recounting her EXPERIENCES, which is what we all do.
I don't "hate" Christians, either here or IRL, but I don't have much patience with hypocrisy or judgmental, holier than thou types.
flan
Yeah, me neither. And that paragraph above? FULL OF IT.
Please explain how THIS is not about me.
flan
I would think someone with your level of education would know the difference between a paragraph and a sentence. I was referring the hypocristy, judgmentalness and holier than thou attitude displayed in Dona's post.
We currently have TWO Geeks with family members fighting for their lives. I'm sick of playing your games right now.
flan

That doesn't even make sense. Unless you are personally going through it I can't imagine how it has anything to do with YOU. Resorting to using someone elses tragedy to make you look like some matyr is a pretty crappy thing to do.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Saying "People are getting sick and tired of you using religion as a way to discriminate against gays and lesbians, and you may no longer do that, but must treat everyone fairly regardless of sexual orientation." is a very, very long ways away from saying "You must convert to another faith or be an athiest because being a Christian is now illegal, now stand aside as we demolish your place of worship."
This article is pure BS, designed to stir up trouble.
I am all for freedom of religion, but I am so sick and tired of people using their religion--any religion--to treat others poorly. What is the point? If your religion inspires you to be a kind person, a loving person, and it gives you hope and peace, then you do your religion right, and good for you! If it makes you nasty and judgmental, then no, you are doing your religion wrong, and
I have an aunt and uncle that are Catholic. They run their own business, and in the winter they sell garlands and wreaths and the like. Sometimes I help out. This last year they had a sizable order from a lesbian couple in town that were having an anniversary party just before Christmas. My aunt and uncle never considered turning them away for being gay. They are the kindest, most welcoming people I know, and they and their children do religion right.
In my opinion, most of the people on this board are failing at religion. It is a sad statement on the state of the world that the nice, kind, and wise people I know IRL are evenly split between Christians and athiests, but all of the nasty and judgmental ones are Christians.
Who on earth are YOU to tell someone they are doing their religion wrong? This is the problem with atheists. And that last line? Same thing for atheists - I have never seen as much hate and anger towards Christians as I see on message boards. It's highly disturbing.
Because she is recounting her EXPERIENCES, which is what we all do.
I don't "hate" Christians, either here or IRL, but I don't have much patience with hypocrisy or judgmental, holier than thou types.
flan
Yeah, me neither. And that paragraph above? FULL OF IT.
Please explain how THIS is not about me.
flan
I would think someone with your level of education would know the difference between a paragraph and a sentence. I was referring the hypocristy, judgmentalness and holier than thou attitude displayed in Dona's post.
We currently have TWO Geeks with family members fighting for their lives. I'm sick of playing your games right now.
flan

Really? REALLY??? You have sunk to a new low.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

In the greater scene of things, oneupmanship just seems petty to me.

But carry on.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
In the greater scene of things, oneupmanship just seems petty to me.

But carry on.

flan

For someone using other people's tragedies as a weapon, you certainly seem to need the last word. That is absolutely disgusting.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
In the greater scene of things, oneupmanship just seems petty to me.

But carry on.

flan
For someone using other people's tragedies as a weapon, you certainly seem to need the last word. That is absolutely disgusting.

Oh em gee...It's NOT a weapon. It just made ME THINK ABOUT HOW I WAS BEHAVING.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
In the greater scene of things, oneupmanship just seems petty to me.

But carry on.

flan
For someone using other people's tragedies as a weapon, you certainly seem to need the last word. That is absolutely disgusting.
Oh em gee...It's NOT a weapon. It just made ME THINK ABOUT HOW I WAS BEHAVING.
flan

The bolded certainly doesn't sound like you were thinking about how you were behaving but more about how you thought LL was behaving. Nice try though.

WYSIWYG · Guru

That is absolutely ridiculous. - Lawyerlady

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In your opinion. Which you (as all of us are) are welcome to have. My opinion is if he does weddings that are "outside of the scope of his beliefs" he should not discriminate. I'd even go so far as to suggest that he could word it so he is doing it only in it's legal form. Something like "And now, by the power vested in my by the state of Colorado, I now pronounce you legally wed."

He could easily keep it 100% secular, which would be in line with the Biblical Commandment to follow the laws of men (Romans 13: 1-7 1Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.).

WYSIWYG · Guru

Judge? Yes, I am judging. Because I am so tired of hearing about how Christianity will be illegal because Christians are no longer allowed to discriminate.
- Dona Worry Be Happy

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Please remember that not all Christians want to discriminate. Some Christians want to treat others, without exception, with love, understanding and respect.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

WYSIWYG wrote:
Judge? Yes, I am judging. Because I am so tired of hearing about how Christianity will be illegal because Christians are no longer allowed to discriminate.
- Dona Worry Be Happy

_________________________

Please remember that not all Christians want to discriminate. Some Christians want to treat others, without exception, with love, understanding and respect.

Oh, I know. My whole family are devout Christians, and they are kind, caring people, who serve in the name of God. Most of them genuinely. want to make the world a better place for the glory of God, and I think that is wonderful.

Some of the Christians on the board could learn a thing or two from them.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
Judge? Yes, I am judging. Because I am so tired of hearing about how Christianity will be illegal because Christians are no longer allowed to discriminate.
- Dona Worry Be Happy

_________________________

Please remember that not all Christians want to discriminate. Some Christians want to treat others, without exception, with love, understanding and respect.
Oh, I know. My whole family are devout Christians, and they are kind, caring people, who serve in the name of God. Most of them genuinely. want to make the world a better place for the glory of God, and I think that is wonderful.
Some of the Christians on the board could learn a thing or two from them.

AMEN!!

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

There is nothing more entertaining than the righteous indignation on this board! LOL!

-- Edited by Lady Gaga Snerd on Thursday 30th of April 2015 06:51:18 AM

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

WYSIWYG wrote:
That is absolutely ridiculous. - Lawyerlady

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In your opinion. Which you (as all of us are) are welcome to have. My opinion is if he does weddings that are "outside of the scope of his beliefs" he should not discriminate. I'd even go so far as to suggest that he could word it so he is doing it only in it's legal form. Something like "And now, by the power vested in my by the state of Colorado, I now pronounce you legally wed."

He could easily keep it 100% secular, which would be in line with the Biblical Commandment to follow the laws of men (Romans 13: 1-7 1Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.).

Now, now. If you are going to quote - quote it all.

Romans 13 New International Version (NIV)

Submission to Governing Authorities

13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. ²Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. ³For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. ⁴For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. ⁵Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

⁶This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. ⁷Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

Love Fulfills the Law

⁸Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. ⁹The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”^[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”^[b] ¹⁰Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

The Day Is Near

¹¹And do this, understanding the present time: The hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. ¹²The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. ¹³Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. ¹⁴Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the flesh.^[c]

And you only follow the laws of men to the extent they do NOT contradict the laws of God. The bolded are not laws, yet they are God's rules.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
Judge? Yes, I am judging. Because I am so tired of hearing about how Christianity will be illegal because Christians are no longer allowed to discriminate.
- Dona Worry Be Happy

_________________________

Please remember that not all Christians want to discriminate. Some Christians want to treat others, without exception, with love, understanding and respect.
Oh, I know. My whole family are devout Christians, and they are kind, caring people, who serve in the name of God. Most of them genuinely. want to make the world a better place for the glory of God, and I think that is wonderful.
Some of the Christians on the board could learn a thing or two from them.

So could most of the non-Christians.

Tinydancer · Guru

Christians are not the ones calling names and expecting everyone else to validate our choices. We just want to be free to choose WHAT we BELIEVE and then be able to LIVE those BELIEFS. Gay sex is a sin according to the Bible, which I follow. Just because you (general you) don't want to believe the hard parts doesn't mean you should be able to tell me that I can't believe the hard parts. I believe everything written and choose to follow all of Gods word. Those who keep claiming they're Christian yet don't want to follow the Bible are just kidding themselves and using it to feel superior to those of us who really are following our faith.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Tinydancer wrote:
Christians are not the ones calling names and expecting everyone else to validate our choices. We just want to be free to choose WHAT we BELIEVE and then be able to LIVE those BELIEFS. Gay sex is a sin according to the Bible, which I follow. Just because you (general you) don't want to believe the hard parts doesn't mean you should be able to tell me that I can't believe the hard parts. I believe everything written and choose to follow all of Gods word. Those who keep claiming they're Christian yet don't want to follow the Bible are just kidding themselves and using it to feel superior to those of us who really are following our faith.

Very well said.

It's not about hating what someone does, it is simply about not wanting to be a part of what someone else is choosing to do that goes against God's word. The actual hatred is coming from the opinions that think religious beliefs don't matter and that falling in line with worldly beliefs is more important than staying true to God's word. It's from people who don't believe or who attempt to twist or ignore the parts of the Bible they do not like and agree with. That just doesn't work. And while I enjoy spending time with and love my friends who are gay, I'm not going to go to their wedding when invited. And I'm SURE that will make me the bad guy when it happens.

ed11563 · Guru

What would you think if you went into a restaurant in a Middle Eastern neighborhood (like we have here in New York), and they refused to serve you...

because ...

* they believe all Infidels must die, and

* if they provide food to any Infidels, they are violating their beliefs, by helping you stay alive?

Tinydancer · Guru

ed11563 wrote:
What would you think if you went into a restaurant in a Middle Eastern neighborhood (like we have here in New York), and they refused to serve you...
because ...
* they believe all Infidels must die, and
* if they provide food to any Infidels, they are violating their beliefs, by helping you stay alive?

Then I'd go find a restaurant that WOULD serve me or I'd do without. I wouldn't want someone who wishes me dead to be preparing my food anyway. Restaurants can refuse service for any reason they want. Why should it be different for a bakery?

cadiver · Senior Member

ed11563 wrote:
What would you think if you went into a restaurant in a Middle Eastern neighborhood (like we have here in New York), and they refused to serve you...
because ...
* they believe all Infidels must die, and
* if they provide food to any Infidels, they are violating their beliefs, by helping you stay alive?

You could come up with some less dramatic ones:

Refusing to server any infidel (Non Muslim)

Refusing to server women

Refusing service to someone accompanied by a guide dog (happening at stores and taxis)

Refusing service to someone with alcohol (happening by taxi drivers)

Tinydancer · Guru

Why would you WANT service from any of those people is beyond me...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

ed11563 wrote:
What would you think if you went into a restaurant in a Middle Eastern neighborhood (like we have here in New York), and they refused to serve you...
because ...
* they believe all Infidels must die, and
* if they provide food to any Infidels, they are violating their beliefs, by helping you stay alive?

So, are they going to kill me? Because someone's LIFE is actually a compelling enough interest to overcome religious freedom. But, the main difference here is that they are refusing to serve me anything - it has nothing to do with what I am doing. If they refused to serve me because I was not properly dressed to meet their dress code because of religious dictates, that would be perfectly within their rights.

It is wrong to deny anyone service just for EXISTING - it is not wrong to refuse to provide a particular service based upon the EVENT.

Some restaurants refuse to serve women unless they are in dresses and men in coats and ties. And that has been fine forever.

ed11563 · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
What would you think if you went into a restaurant in a Middle Eastern neighborhood (like we have here in New York), and they refused to serve you...
because ...
* they believe all Infidels must die, and
* if they provide food to any Infidels, they are violating their beliefs, by helping you stay alive?

So, are they going to kill me? Because someone's LIFE is actually a compelling enough interest to overcome religious freedom. But, the main difference here is that they are refusing to serve me anything - it has nothing to do with what I am doing. If they refused to serve me because I was not properly dressed to meet their dress code because of religious dictates, that would be perfectly within their rights.
It is wrong to deny anyone service just for EXISTING - it is not wrong to refuse to provide a particular service based upon the EVENT.
Some restaurants refuse to serve women unless they are in dresses and men in coats and ties. And that has been fine forever.

You appear to be an Infidel, so it's fine to refuse you service.

Necessary.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
What would you think if you went into a restaurant in a Middle Eastern neighborhood (like we have here in New York), and they refused to serve you...
because ...
* they believe all Infidels must die, and
* if they provide food to any Infidels, they are violating their beliefs, by helping you stay alive?

So, are they going to kill me? Because someone's LIFE is actually a compelling enough interest to overcome religious freedom. But, the main difference here is that they are refusing to serve me anything - it has nothing to do with what I am doing. If they refused to serve me because I was not properly dressed to meet their dress code because of religious dictates, that would be perfectly within their rights.
It is wrong to deny anyone service just for EXISTING - it is not wrong to refuse to provide a particular service based upon the EVENT.
Some restaurants refuse to serve women unless they are in dresses and men in coats and ties. And that has been fine forever.
You appear to be an Infidel, so it's fine to refuse you service.
Necessary.

No, they can't refuse to serve me outright. But they CAN refuse to cater my Christian wedding or my Baptism.

Can I walk into a Jewish kosher restaurant and demand a beef and cheese sandwich be prepared for me? They serve beef, and they serve cheese - I want them to prepare it TOGETHER for me. The answer should be NO.

cadiver · Senior Member

Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
What would you think if you went into a restaurant in a Middle Eastern neighborhood (like we have here in New York), and they refused to serve you...
because ...
* they believe all Infidels must die, and
* if they provide food to any Infidels, they are violating their beliefs, by helping you stay alive?

So, are they going to kill me? Because someone's LIFE is actually a compelling enough interest to overcome religious freedom. But, the main difference here is that they are refusing to serve me anything - it has nothing to do with what I am doing. If they refused to serve me because I was not properly dressed to meet their dress code because of religious dictates, that would be perfectly within their rights.
It is wrong to deny anyone service just for EXISTING - it is not wrong to refuse to provide a particular service based upon the EVENT.
Some restaurants refuse to serve women unless they are in dresses and men in coats and ties. And that has been fine forever.

They would not be denying you because of existing. It is because of actions of worshiping the wrong religion or not worshiping the right one..

-- Edited by cadiver on Thursday 30th of April 2015 01:05:59 PM

chef · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
What would you think if you went into a restaurant in a Middle Eastern neighborhood (like we have here in New York), and they refused to serve you...
because ...
* they believe all Infidels must die, and
* if they provide food to any Infidels, they are violating their beliefs, by helping you stay alive?

Then I'd go find a restaurant that WOULD serve me or I'd do without. I wouldn't want someone who wishes me dead to be preparing my food anyway. Restaurants can refuse service for any reason they want. Why should it be different for a bakery?

What Tinydancer said. Don't want my money? Fine. I'm an adult and I will do the adult thing - go elsewhere. I wouldn't sue them - it wouldn't even cross my mind.

chef · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
What would you think if you went into a restaurant in a Middle Eastern neighborhood (like we have here in New York), and they refused to serve you...
because ...
* they believe all Infidels must die, and
* if they provide food to any Infidels, they are violating their beliefs, by helping you stay alive?

So, are they going to kill me? Because someone's LIFE is actually a compelling enough interest to overcome religious freedom. But, the main difference here is that they are refusing to serve me anything - it has nothing to do with what I am doing. If they refused to serve me because I was not properly dressed to meet their dress code because of religious dictates, that would be perfectly within their rights.
It is wrong to deny anyone service just for EXISTING - it is not wrong to refuse to provide a particular service based upon the EVENT.
Some restaurants refuse to serve women unless they are in dresses and men in coats and ties. And that has been fine forever.
You appear to be an Infidel, so it's fine to refuse you service.
Necessary.
No, they can't refuse to serve me outright. But they CAN refuse to cater my Christian wedding or my Baptism.

Can I walk into a Jewish kosher restaurant and demand a beef and cheese sandwich be prepared for me? They serve beef, and they serve cheese - I want them to prepare it TOGETHER for me. The answer should be NO.

I agree.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

cadiver wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
What would you think if you went into a restaurant in a Middle Eastern neighborhood (like we have here in New York), and they refused to serve you...
because ...
* they believe all Infidels must die, and
* if they provide food to any Infidels, they are violating their beliefs, by helping you stay alive?

So, are they going to kill me? Because someone's LIFE is actually a compelling enough interest to overcome religious freedom. But, the main difference here is that they are refusing to serve me anything - it has nothing to do with what I am doing. If they refused to serve me because I was not properly dressed to meet their dress code because of religious dictates, that would be perfectly within their rights.
It is wrong to deny anyone service just for EXISTING - it is not wrong to refuse to provide a particular service based upon the EVENT.
Some restaurants refuse to serve women unless they are in dresses and men in coats and ties. And that has been fine forever.
They would not be denying you because of existing. It is because of actions of worshiping the wrong religion or not worshiping the right one..

-- Edited by cadiver on Thursday 30th of April 2015 01:05:59 PM

Fine. If they ONLY want to serve other Muslims, I DON'T CARE. I certainly wouldn't sue them.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

They need to make me a ham and bacon sandwhich.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Or I will sue their heavily clothed ass!

ed11563 · Guru

chef wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
No, they can't refuse to serve me outright. But they CAN refuse to cater my Christian wedding or my Baptism.

Can I walk into a Jewish kosher restaurant and demand a beef and cheese sandwich be prepared for me? They serve beef, and they serve cheese - I want them to prepare it TOGETHER for me. The answer should be NO.
I agree.

" They serve beef, and they serve cheese -"

Good luck with that. You won't find a real Kosher restaurant that serves both meat and dairy.

But they might have TOFU that looks like cheese.