It would bother me if my parents were to not show up for my party. I think you can not agree with a choice and still show support to your kid and be happy for them if they are happy. If the daughter got married everything would be fine for them? When does it stop? What will the next thing they disagree with that she will have to change so her parents are happy. So glad I don't have parents like this.
The "what they don't condone" does not stop once the celebrations are over. it will still be going on. To me, this is a guilt trip move of note.
So? Maybe they won't go to their house while they are living together without marriage. I've known a few people that did that. Why should the parents have to agree with their lifestyle? Talk about controlling...
They don't have to agree at all.
But withholding their presence from their adult daughter's life till she does as they expect is NOT controlling??
I don't see anything in the letter indicating the LW is going to cut the daughter off. Assuming that's the case I don't have issue with her declining the party. If she is that devout and feels that strongly.....she can decline this but still be a loving presence in her daughter's life.
It's all well and good to have values. Yes, it an be disappointing when children you raised with those values no longer share them. However, is this really the hill you want to die on? They are going to do this with or without your approval. You risk ruining the otherwise good relationship you say you have with your children over something you can't change and they won't change.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
I don't see anything in the letter indicating the LW is going to cut the daughter off. Assuming that's the case I don't have issue with her declining the party. If she is that devout and feels that strongly.....she can decline this but still be a loving presence in her daughter's life.
It's not the LW that is cutting anyone off, but if she can't come to some degree of respect for her adult daughters' decisions--then she will be the one cut out.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
I don't see anything in the letter indicating the LW is going to cut the daughter off. Assuming that's the case I don't have issue with her declining the party. If she is that devout and feels that strongly.....she can decline this but still be a loving presence in her daughter's life.
Exactly. It's a PARTY. The daughter can choose to make it a guantlet or not, but she is the one who already chose to move in with her boyfriend knowing the parents didn't approve. She needs to get over them declining to attend a party to celebrate it.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
And letting this drive a wedge between them is not smart. They can make all the statements they want, but people remember hurt feelings and feeling disrespected, and mom and dad should think long and hard before they make decisions that affect their relationship with the parents of their future grandchildren.
I see. So the only feelings that matter are the daughter's.
This isn't about "feelings". They can disagree with their daughters all they want--but unless they want to risk estrangement, then this is not the issue to make their stand on.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
I think in this case both the LW and the DD both have valid points. Why would the DD need to cut off her parents over one party? I am sure she is aware of how her parents feel. I wouldn't have invited my parents. They felt the same way as the LW. And we loved each other.
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I don't see anything in the letter indicating the LW is going to cut the daughter off. Assuming that's the case I don't have issue with her declining the party. If she is that devout and feels that strongly.....she can decline this but still be a loving presence in her daughter's life.
Exactly. It's a PARTY. The daughter can choose to make it a guantlet or not, but she is the one who already chose to move in with her boyfriend knowing the parents didn't approve. She needs to get over them declining to attend a party to celebrate it.
No. She doesnt have to do anything.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
I don't see anything in the letter indicating the LW is going to cut the daughter off. Assuming that's the case I don't have issue with her declining the party. If she is that devout and feels that strongly.....she can decline this but still be a loving presence in her daughter's life.
Exactly. It's a PARTY. The daughter can choose to make it a guantlet or not, but she is the one who already chose to move in with her boyfriend knowing the parents didn't approve. She needs to get over them declining to attend a party to celebrate it.
No. She doesnt have to do anything.
Then she is a bitch. She knew she was doing something her parents disapproved of. And now she wants them to celebrate it. Yep, she's a bitch.
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I think in this case both the LW and the DD both have valid points. Why would the DD need to cut odd her parents over one party? I am sure she is aware of how her parents feel. I wouldn't have invited my parents. They felt the same way as the LW. And we loved each other.
This isn't just one party. What about the "bastard" children in the future if they don't get married? Is she still going to be all attitudy Judy then?
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
I don't see anything in the letter indicating the LW is going to cut the daughter off. Assuming that's the case I don't have issue with her declining the party. If she is that devout and feels that strongly.....she can decline this but still be a loving presence in her daughter's life.
Exactly. It's a PARTY. The daughter can choose to make it a guantlet or not, but she is the one who already chose to move in with her boyfriend knowing the parents didn't approve. She needs to get over them declining to attend a party to celebrate it.
No. She doesnt have to do anything.
Then she is a bitch. She knew she was doing something her parents disapproved of. And now she wants them to celebrate it. Yep, she's a bitch.
That's simply an idiotic statement. Adult children do not have to do everything their parents want.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
I don't see anything in the letter indicating the LW is going to cut the daughter off. Assuming that's the case I don't have issue with her declining the party. If she is that devout and feels that strongly.....she can decline this but still be a loving presence in her daughter's life.
Exactly. It's a PARTY. The daughter can choose to make it a guantlet or not, but she is the one who already chose to move in with her boyfriend knowing the parents didn't approve. She needs to get over them declining to attend a party to celebrate it.
No. She doesnt have to do anything.
Then she is a bitch. She knew she was doing something her parents disapproved of. And now she wants them to celebrate it. Yep, she's a bitch.
That's simply an idiotic statement. Adult children do not have to do everything their parents want.
No, but they don't have a right to expect their parents to throw their values out the door either. She's a bitch. She knew they wouldn't approve and yet, she expects them to be all happy about it.
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I think in this case both the LW and the DD both have valid points. Why would the DD need to cut odd her parents over one party? I am sure she is aware of how her parents feel. I wouldn't have invited my parents. They felt the same way as the LW. And we loved each other.
This isn't just one party. What about the "bastard" children in the future if they don't get married? Is she still going to be all attitudy Judy then?
I didn't get that from the letter. Why assume? If we cn love the sinner but not the sin..why can we not decline celebrating something we consider sin....and not still love and be there in other ways?
I don't have strict views about this btw....but I understand those who do. The parents aren't being hateful. They are unable to violate their conscience.
And as an aside...m
5 years ....ready to buy a house but not marry? I would not date that long and certainly wouldn't buy property with someone I'm not married to. Not for religious reasons but feel like ....how would that benefit me?
I think in this case both the LW and the DD both have valid points. Why would the DD need to cut odd her parents over one party? I am sure she is aware of how her parents feel. I wouldn't have invited my parents. They felt the same way as the LW. And we loved each other.
This isn't just one party. What about the "bastard" children in the future if they don't get married? Is she still going to be all attitudy Judy then?
I didn't get that from the letter. Why assume? If we cn love the sinner but not the sin..why can we not decline celebrating something we consider sin....and not still love and be there in other ways?
I don't have strict views about this btw....but I understand those who do. The parents aren't being hateful. They are unable to violate their conscience.
Values aren't just sins. I don't know why people are so caught up on that. However, undoubtedly in their view a bastard child would be against their values, also. Why would you assume they would be on with celebrating that and not this?
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
I think in this case both the LW and the DD both have valid points. Why would the DD need to cut odd her parents over one party? I am sure she is aware of how her parents feel. I wouldn't have invited my parents. They felt the same way as the LW. And we loved each other.
This isn't just one party. What about the "bastard" children in the future if they don't get married? Is she still going to be all attitudy Judy then?
I didn't get that from the letter. Why assume? If we cn love the sinner but not the sin..why can we not decline celebrating something we consider sin....and not still love and be there in other ways?
I don't have strict views about this btw....but I understand those who do. The parents aren't being hateful. They are unable to violate their conscience.
Values aren't just sins. I don't know why people are so caught up on that. However, undoubtedly in their view a bastard child would be against their values, also. Why would you assume they would be on with celebrating that and not this?
The "bastard child" hasn't done anything wrong. His parents have. I would never want a child to suffer because his parents were *******s...
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What if their boyfriend was black and they just didn't want them dating a black guy. Still a bitch for not doing what mommy wants?
Dating a black guy isn't a sin. Living with a black guy outside of marriage is...
You didn't say anything about being a "sin" or not. You said "parents disapproved of".
I don't know anyone that has this "value" other than the fact that it is sinful.
So what? This isn't the only value one can hold. Not all values have to be associated with sin. MANY are not. Many Chinese families want their children to marry other chinese. For them, that would be as deeply held of a value as any sin. Or are everyone else values BS just because they aren't yours?
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
I think in this case both the LW and the DD both have valid points. Why would the DD need to cut odd her parents over one party? I am sure she is aware of how her parents feel. I wouldn't have invited my parents. They felt the same way as the LW. And we loved each other.
This isn't just one party. What about the "bastard" children in the future if they don't get married? Is she still going to be all attitudy Judy then?
I didn't get that from the letter. Why assume? If we cn love the sinner but not the sin..why can we not decline celebrating something we consider sin....and not still love and be there in other ways?
I don't have strict views about this btw....but I understand those who do. The parents aren't being hateful. They are unable to violate their conscience.
Values aren't just sins. I don't know why people are so caught up on that. However, undoubtedly in their view a bastard child would be against their values, also. Why would you assume they would be on with celebrating that and not this?
The "bastard child" hasn't done anything wrong. His parents have. I would never want a child to suffer because his parents were *******s...
And you were the one wondering why your ex gets to spend more time with you grandchild than you. That attitude says it all. You view your child as a bitch if she doesn't do exactly what you want her to do.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
What if their boyfriend was black and they just didn't want them dating a black guy. Still a bitch for not doing what mommy wants?
Dating a black guy isn't a sin. Living with a black guy outside of marriage is...
You didn't say anything about being a "sin" or not. You said "parents disapproved of".
I don't know anyone that has this "value" other than the fact that it is sinful.
So what? This isn't the only value one can hold. Not all values have to be associated with sin. MANY are not. Many Chinese families want their children to marry other chinese. For them, that would be as deeply held of a value as any sin. Or are everyone else values BS just because they aren't yours?
That is exactly how these parents are being treated.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
How far does this "ban" extend? Are the parents going to refuse to come to their daughter's house for holidays and birthdays too?
flan
It's a HOUSEWARMING party for a co-hab arrangement. It has nothing to do with a birthday. Just like baking a wedding cake has nothing to do with baking a birthday cake.
The way people seem to extrapolate is both amazing and sad.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
How far does this "ban" extend? Are the parents going to refuse to come to their daughter's house for holidays and birthdays too?
flan
It's a HOUSEWARMING party for a co-hab arrangement. It has nothing to do with a birthday. Just like baking a wedding cake has nothing to do with baking a birthday cake.
The way people seem to extrapolate is both amazing and sad.
How far does this "ban" extend? Are the parents going to refuse to come to their daughter's house for holidays and birthdays too?
flan
It's a HOUSEWARMING party for a co-hab arrangement. It has nothing to do with a birthday. Just like baking a wedding cake has nothing to do with baking a birthday cake.
The way people seem to extrapolate is both amazing and sad.
But it's a den of iniquity!
flan
So is Walmart.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
I think in this case both the LW and the DD both have valid points. Why would the DD need to cut odd her parents over one party? I am sure she is aware of how her parents feel. I wouldn't have invited my parents. They felt the same way as the LW. And we loved each other.
This isn't just one party. What about the "bastard" children in the future if they don't get married? Is she still going to be all attitudy Judy then?
I didn't get that from the letter. Why assume? If we cn love the sinner but not the sin..why can we not decline celebrating something we consider sin....and not still love and be there in other ways?
I don't have strict views about this btw....but I understand those who do. The parents aren't being hateful. They are unable to violate their conscience.
Values aren't just sins. I don't know why people are so caught up on that. However, undoubtedly in their view a bastard child would be against their values, also. Why would you assume they would be on with celebrating that and not this?
The "bastard child" hasn't done anything wrong. His parents have. I would never want a child to suffer because his parents were *******s...
And you were the one wondering why your ex gets to spend more time with you grandchild than you. That attitude says it all. You view your child as a bitch if she doesn't do exactly what you want her to do.
No, I admit my child is a bitch. A very selfish one. She doesn't have to do anything I want her to do, and on the flip side, neither do I. Her father kissed her butt, I did not play those games. He's was making up for lost time. She lives her life the way she see fit, even though it has come back to bite her. Guess who she calls crying to every other day? Yep, me. He screwed up again...
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I think in this case both the LW and the DD both have valid points. Why would the DD need to cut odd her parents over one party? I am sure she is aware of how her parents feel. I wouldn't have invited my parents. They felt the same way as the LW. And we loved each other.
This isn't just one party. What about the "bastard" children in the future if they don't get married? Is she still going to be all attitudy Judy then?
I didn't get that from the letter. Why assume? If we cn love the sinner but not the sin..why can we not decline celebrating something we consider sin....and not still love and be there in other ways?
I don't have strict views about this btw....but I understand those who do. The parents aren't being hateful. They are unable to violate their conscience.
Values aren't just sins. I don't know why people are so caught up on that. However, undoubtedly in their view a bastard child would be against their values, also. Why would you assume they would be on with celebrating that and not this?
The "bastard child" hasn't done anything wrong. His parents have. I would never want a child to suffer because his parents were *******s...
And you were the one wondering why your ex gets to spend more time with you grandchild than you. That attitude says it all. You view your child as a bitch if she doesn't do exactly what you want her to do.
YEs, because not wanting to go on vacation with your ex-husband is so unreasonable.
The attitude on this thread that parents have to do whatever makes their kids happy is the reason we have so many bratty, can't support themselves, selfish kids in the world today. Used to be kids were more concerned about pleasing their parents than the other way around.
You want to give in to childish emotional blackmail - have at it. The rest of us don't have to.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
If you want to treat your adult kids as if they were still 6 years old -- have at it.
flan
If that's the way they are going to act....
An ADULT would not ruin her relationship with her parents over a party.
It's NOT just "a party," and you know it. It's a condemnation of her lifestyle.
If you can't accept your children unless they are clones of you...That's sad.
flan
Her lifestyle is a SIN. She's choosing to live in sin. Hell no, they shouldn't just shrug it off. They are her parents and they are charged by God to teach her morals and how to live. That is their job. Not to rah-rah whatever the hell she wants to do.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
I think in this case both the LW and the DD both have valid points. Why would the DD need to cut odd her parents over one party? I am sure she is aware of how her parents feel. I wouldn't have invited my parents. They felt the same way as the LW. And we loved each other.
This isn't just one party. What about the "bastard" children in the future if they don't get married? Is she still going to be all attitudy Judy then?
I didn't get that from the letter. Why assume? If we cn love the sinner but not the sin..why can we not decline celebrating something we consider sin....and not still love and be there in other ways?
I don't have strict views about this btw....but I understand those who do. The parents aren't being hateful. They are unable to violate their conscience.
Values aren't just sins. I don't know why people are so caught up on that. However, undoubtedly in their view a bastard child would be against their values, also. Why would you assume they would be on with celebrating that and not this?
The "bastard child" hasn't done anything wrong. His parents have. I would never want a child to suffer because his parents were *******s...
And you were the one wondering why your ex gets to spend more time with you grandchild than you. That attitude says it all. You view your child as a bitch if she doesn't do exactly what you want her to do.
YEs, because not wanting to go on vacation with your ex-husband is so unreasonable.
The attitude on this thread that parents have to do whatever makes their kids happy is the reason we have so many bratty, can't support themselves, selfish kids in the world today. Used to be kids were more concerned about pleasing their parents than the other way around.
You want to give in to childish emotional blackmail - have at it. The rest of us don't have to.
THANK YOU...
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If you want to treat your adult kids as if they were still 6 years old -- have at it.
flan
If that's the way they are going to act....
An ADULT would not ruin her relationship with her parents over a party.
It's NOT just "a party," and you know it. It's a condemnation of her lifestyle.
If you can't accept your children unless they are clones of you...That's sad.
flan
Her lifestyle is a SIN. She's choosing to live in sin. Hell no, they shouldn't just shrug it off. They are her parents and they are charged by God to teach her morals and how to live. That is their job. Not to rah-rah whatever the hell she wants to do.
This is soooo true. Just like you teach your kid other things but the soul is very very important!
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If you want to treat your adult kids as if they were still 6 years old -- have at it.
flan
If that's the way they are going to act....
An ADULT would not ruin her relationship with her parents over a party.
It's NOT just "a party," and you know it. It's a condemnation of her lifestyle.
If you can't accept your children unless they are clones of you...That's sad.
flan
Her lifestyle is a SIN. She's choosing to live in sin. Hell no, they shouldn't just shrug it off. They are her parents and they are charged by God to teach her morals and how to live. That is their job. Not to rah-rah whatever the hell she wants to do.
This is soooo true. Just like you teach your kid other things but the soul is very very important!
The soul is the MOST important thing.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
If you want to treat your adult kids as if they were still 6 years old -- have at it.
flan
If that's the way they are going to act....
An ADULT would not ruin her relationship with her parents over a party.
It's NOT just "a party," and you know it. It's a condemnation of her lifestyle.
If you can't accept your children unless they are clones of you...That's sad.
flan
Her lifestyle is a SIN. She's choosing to live in sin. Hell no, they shouldn't just shrug it off. They are her parents and they are charged by God to teach her morals and how to live. That is their job. Not to rah-rah whatever the hell she wants to do.
This is soooo true. Just like you teach your kid other things but the soul is very very important!
The soul is the MOST important thing.
Absolutely the most important thing to me and a few others I'm sure.
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They have taught her how to live. But her "God given free choice" has her making her own choices. What are they trying to achieve by boycotting this party? How far can a parent take this? Does age of reason not count for something in terms of accountability for ones own actions?
-- Edited by chillepeppa on Tuesday 5th of May 2015 03:30:08 PM
They have taught her how to live. But her "God given free choice" has her making her own choices. What are they trying to achieve by boycotting this party? How far can a parent take this? Does age of reason not count for something in terms of accountability for ones own actions?
-- Edited by chillepeppa on Tuesday 5th of May 2015 03:30:08 PM
Yes, which is why the parents feel they shouldn't go. Some people have real conviction and will do what they must to follow their own conscience.
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“Until I discovered cooking, I was never really interested in anything.” ― Julia Child ―
They have taught her how to live. But her "God given free choice" has her making her own choices. What are they trying to achieve by boycotting this party? How far can a parent take this? Does age of reason not count for something in terms of accountability for ones own actions?
-- Edited by chillepeppa on Tuesday 5th of May 2015 03:30:08 PM
But you are not providing for accountability of anyone - you want the parents to just overlook the daughter going against everything they taught her. They have thier own accountability to deal with - and not condoning their daughter's actions is part of that.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
They have taught her how to live. But her "God given free choice" has her making her own choices. What are they trying to achieve by boycotting this party? How far can a parent take this? Does age of reason not count for something in terms of accountability for ones own actions?
-- Edited by chillepeppa on Tuesday 5th of May 2015 03:30:08 PM
Yes, which is why the parents feel they shouldn't go. Some people have real conviction and will do what they must to follow their own conscience.
That is their choice, I guess. Accepting their adult daughter's decisions does not mean agreeing with them.
They have taught her how to live. But her "God given free choice" has her making her own choices. What are they trying to achieve by boycotting this party? How far can a parent take this? Does age of reason not count for something in terms of accountability for ones own actions?
-- Edited by chillepeppa on Tuesday 5th of May 2015 03:30:08 PM
Yes, which is why the parents feel they shouldn't go. Some people have real conviction and will do what they must to follow their own conscience.
That is their choice, I guess. Accepting their adult daughter's decisions does not mean agreeing with them.
An an adult child needs to accept that her parents do not have to celebrate her decisions that they don't agree with. You keep calling her an adult but don't hold her resposnible for anything.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.