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Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

RE: Dear Abby: We Don't Approve of Cohabitating Daughter

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Mellow Momma wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Just like Billy Graham refused to be alone with a woman that wasn't his wife. It's the appearance. I won't be alone with a man besides my husband. I think it's disrespectful...
Wow.
So at work if you need to have a private conversation with the HR manager who is a man, you would bring someone else into the room? That's ludicrous.
The only situation I would agree with you is in the case of underage children. DH will not be alone behind closed doors with any of his female players. He always has a second adult present.

I thought this was 2015?!

Years ago, I had lunch with PBJ. I sat at a table with a man who was not my husband!

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Just like Billy Graham refused to be alone with a woman that wasn't his wife. It's the appearance. I won't be alone with a man besides my husband. I think it's disrespectful...
Wow.
So at work if you need to have a private conversation with the HR manager who is a man, you would bring someone else into the room? That's ludicrous.
The only situation I would agree with you is in the case of underage children. DH will not be alone behind closed doors with any of his female players. He always has a second adult present.

I thought this was 2015?!
Years ago, I had lunch with PBJ. I sat at a table with a man who was not my husband!
flan

She's not asking you to do it. Again you like to belittle what you don't agree with. So empathetic of you.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

SEVERAL of us are saying that we don't UNDERSTAND it.

ohfour is another of my friends IRL.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

I see people being rude and condescending to someone they say is a friend.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Sincerely, I think it says more about the person who assumes being alone with someone of the opposite sex means they could be sex than it does the person having a conversation behind closed doors with their superior. I don't understand why being alone in a room in a work situation would have anything to do with sex. That would literally be the last thing I thought of. If I saw 2 people behind closed doors I would be more likely to think "someone is in trouble" than I would "they are doing something improper".

It's a sad day when 2 adults cannot have a confidential work conversation behind closed doors without the whole office thinking its improper.

Tinydancer · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Just like Billy Graham refused to be alone with a woman that wasn't his wife. It's the appearance. I won't be alone with a man besides my husband. I think it's disrespectful...
Wow.
So at work if you need to have a private conversation with the HR manager who is a man, you would bring someone else into the room? That's ludicrous.
The only situation I would agree with you is in the case of underage children. DH will not be alone behind closed doors with any of his female players. He always has a second adult present.

I thought this was 2015?!
Years ago, I had lunch with PBJ. I sat at a table with a man who was not my husband!
flan
She's not asking you to do it. Again you like to belittle what you don't agree with. So empathetic of you.

Meet rude and condescending. They're friends of mine.

Tinydancer · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
Sincerely, I think it says more about the person who assumes being alone with someone of the opposite sex means they could be sex than it does the person having a conversation behind closed doors with their superior. I don't understand why being alone in a room in a work situation would have anything to do with sex. That would literally be the last thing I thought of. If I saw 2 people behind closed doors I would be more likely to think "someone is in trouble" than I would "they are doing something improper".

It's a sad day when 2 adults cannot have a confidential work conversation behind closed doors without the whole office thinking its improper.

Throw in a little derision. Another friend of anyone who follows their conscience.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Tinydancer wrote:
I see people being rude and condescending to someone they say is a friend.

You see what you want to see...

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
I see people being rude and condescending to someone they say is a friend.
You see what you want to see...
flan

All I can say is with friends like that I guess I'm glad we're not friends as you so like to point out.

Tinydancer · Guru

So when you're not jumping in to defend your friends you just insult them instead. Hahaha...you really do think your the cats meow don't you.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
I've gone through entire Bible study programs regarding the appearance of sin and avoiding it because you are supposed to be a light unto God as one of his followers. As Lily posted - you are supposed to try to avoid even the appearance of sin.

And just because you think living together outside of marriage is not a big deal - don't be trying to pretty it up as not being a sin. That's absolutely absurd.

FAR, FAR more couples begin having sex WITHOUT living together and then begin to cohabit than those who cohabit and then start having sex.

So, your premise is WRONG. It would seem that NOT living together is more likely to lead to "sin".

However, as far as simply living together--you are wrong. That, in and of itself, is NOT a sin. It's the having sex outside of marriage that is the sin. You are absurd. You can't even back up your nonsense.

Two people can live together platonically--and that is NOT a sin--even if they are of the opposite gender (and what if they are of the same gender?, one or the other or both could be gay).

Or are you saying that it's ok to have sex outside of marriage as long as you don't live together?

-- Edited by huskerbb on Thursday 7th of May 2015 06:13:28 PM

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Tinydancer wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Sincerely, I think it says more about the person who assumes being alone with someone of the opposite sex means they could be sex than it does the person having a conversation behind closed doors with their superior. I don't understand why being alone in a room in a work situation would have anything to do with sex. That would literally be the last thing I thought of. If I saw 2 people behind closed doors I would be more likely to think "someone is in trouble" than I would "they are doing something improper".

It's a sad day when 2 adults cannot have a confidential work conversation behind closed doors without the whole office thinking its improper.
Throw in a little derision. Another friend of anyone who follows their conscience.

Oh, no! An adult who thinks for herself...the HORROR!

flan

Mary Zombie · Guru

My parents were like OhFour too. And if I had moved in with a guy and had a housewarming.....they would have declined and I would have understood.
It is not unusual for older or just more devout christians to be that way.
I really find it hard to believe the big hoohah here.

huskerbb · Guru

All I'm saying is that even if they weren't living together--they'd still be sinning, right? So what difference does living together truly make? Really, NONE.

Therefore, EVERY time the parents get together with the daughters and their boyfriends, their daughters are throwing their values in their face. The parents know damn well they are having sex--but say nothing most of the time. They are already compromising their values. Focusing on one party is silly. It's not going to make a bit of difference in whether or not their daughters are living by their values--they plainly aren't, and aren't going to.

huskerbb · Guru

Mary Zombie wrote:
My parents were like OhFour too. And if I had moved in with a guy and had a housewarming.....they would have declined and I would have understood.
It is not unusual for older or just more devout christians to be that way.
I really find it hard to believe the big hoohah here.

Are they still sinning by having sex outside of marriage even if they don't live together?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
All I'm saying is that even if they weren't living together--they'd still be sinning, right? So what difference does living together truly make? Really, NONE.

Therefore, EVERY time the parents get together with the daughters and their boyfriends, their daughters are throwing their values in their face. The parents know damn well they are having sex--but say nothing most of the time. They are already compromising their values. Focusing on one party is silly. It's not going to make a bit of difference in whether or not their daughters are living by their values--they plainly aren't, and aren't going to.

So, what the hell! May as well celebrate the sinning with a party and a new bowl!

No.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I've gone through entire Bible study programs regarding the appearance of sin and avoiding it because you are supposed to be a light unto God as one of his followers. As Lily posted - you are supposed to try to avoid even the appearance of sin.

And just because you think living together outside of marriage is not a big deal - don't be trying to pretty it up as not being a sin. That's absolutely absurd.
FAR, FAR more couples begin having sex WITHOUT living together and then begin to cohabit than those who cohabit and then start having sex.

So, your premise is WRONG. It would seem that NOT living together is more likely to lead to "sin".

However, as far as simply living together--you are wrong. That, in and of itself, is NOT a sin. It's the having sex outside of marriage that is the sin. You are absurd. You can't even back up your nonsense.

Two people can live together platonically--and that is NOT a sin--even if they are of the opposite gender (and what if they are of the same gender?, one or the other or both could be gay).
Or are you saying that it's ok to have sex outside of marriage as long as you don't live together?

-- Edited by huskerbb on Thursday 7th of May 2015 06:13:28 PM

So WHAT???? That's not right, either. That doesn't make the other less wrong. Your logic is whacked.

And the appearance of sin should be avoided whenever possible. You are supposed to be a light - not just give in to society's whims.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I've gone through entire Bible study programs regarding the appearance of sin and avoiding it because you are supposed to be a light unto God as one of his followers. As Lily posted - you are supposed to try to avoid even the appearance of sin.

And just because you think living together outside of marriage is not a big deal - don't be trying to pretty it up as not being a sin. That's absolutely absurd.
FAR, FAR more couples begin having sex WITHOUT living together and then begin to cohabit than those who cohabit and then start having sex.

So, your premise is WRONG. It would seem that NOT living together is more likely to lead to "sin".

However, as far as simply living together--you are wrong. That, in and of itself, is NOT a sin. It's the having sex outside of marriage that is the sin. You are absurd. You can't even back up your nonsense.

Two people can live together platonically--and that is NOT a sin--even if they are of the opposite gender (and what if they are of the same gender?, one or the other or both could be gay).
Or are you saying that it's ok to have sex outside of marriage as long as you don't live together?

-- Edited by huskerbb on Thursday 7th of May 2015 06:13:28 PM
So WHAT???? That's not right, either. That doesn't make the other less wrong. Your logic is whacked.

And the appearance of sin should be avoided whenever possible. You are supposed to be a light - not just give in to society's whims.

Two people living together platonically is NOT the "appearance" of sin. Are you saying people can NEVER have roommates? How do you know the two females are not gay (or two males)?

It's a ridiculous to not be able to separate the sin of sex outside of marriage with an address. Living together is not a sin without the extra marital sex. Extra marital sex is still a sin no matter whether they live together or not.

In this case, they are going to have sex regardless of the address--so are they sinning or not if they DON'T live together?

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
All I'm saying is that even if they weren't living together--they'd still be sinning, right? So what difference does living together truly make? Really, NONE.

Therefore, EVERY time the parents get together with the daughters and their boyfriends, their daughters are throwing their values in their face. The parents know damn well they are having sex--but say nothing most of the time. They are already compromising their values. Focusing on one party is silly. It's not going to make a bit of difference in whether or not their daughters are living by their values--they plainly aren't, and aren't going to.
So, what the hell! May as well celebrate the sinning with a party and a new bowl!

No.

They are "celebrating" it EVERY TIME they get together with their daughters and the daughters' boyfriends. They are showing acceptance of the situation EVERY TIME.

Therefore, the answer is either to never get together with their daughters when their boyfriends are around (and see what kind of relationship they have left after a few months of that), or to simply accept that there are things they may not agree with--but they can't change. They are already compromising their values. One party makes ZERO difference on that.

If you think you and your children are going to agree 100% on everything forever--I've got bad news for you.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Thursday 7th of May 2015 06:47:42 PM

Mary Zombie · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Mary Zombie wrote:
My parents were like OhFour too. And if I had moved in with a guy and had a housewarming.....they would have declined and I would have understood.
It is not unusual for older or just more devout christians to be that way.
I really find it hard to believe the big hoohah here.
Are they still sinning by having sex outside of marriage even if they don't live together?

According to the bible, yes.

I would like to say.....being my Age and single I often wish I haden't had premarital sex. Where has it gotten me ?

But we get lonely. And when you love someone, or think you do, sometimes you hope the sex will lead to that great love you dream about.

Sometimes you're just horny.

But I believe God knows our hearts and has grace. So hopefully this sinner won't end up down under zero humidity :)

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
1 Thessalonians 5:22King James Version (KJV)

22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
thanks for posting a bible verse that has nothing to do with anything.

Of course it applies.
You said there was nothing wrong with cohabitation.
But what if that cohabitation causes another to stumble?
You like to claim to be knowledgable of the Bible but you always seem to forget what it says.
Stumble to what? The WHAT is the sin.

Stumble in their walk.

If this couple has people that look to them as an example of Christian living, and they appear to be sinning, even if they are not, and this causes another to think that what they assume is sin is ok, then this becomes a stumbling block.

I know that was a bit garbled, but the point is, we are to not even appear to be sinning. To set ourselves apart from the world.

There is no exception to the rule.

Now you can argue societal norms and such but it doesn't change the word of God or its meaning. Don't sin, if you do, repent, and don't look like you are sinning to others.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

You know, people would stop being so annoyed at Christians in general of they weren't so obsessed with sex.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
You know, people would stop being so annoyed at Christians in general of they weren't so obsessed with sex.

LOL! biggrin

Yeah, there are a whole pile of other sins. Gluttony is one that everyone seems to ignore at all those potluck suppers!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Sorry, but another person does not get to "approve" or "disapprove' of me one way or the other. I don't recall asking their opinion on how to live my life. And, the daughter is an adult who doesn't need mom's approval.

Ohfour · Hooker

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
You know, people would stop being so annoyed at Christians in general of they weren't so obsessed with sex.

I chose to live my life a certain way. That I am being mocked for holding to MY values (not even assuming you would do the same) is telling. I won't be alone with another man. And that makes me untrustworthy or simple. No, I respect my husband and do not want to even be associated with any impropriety. Its my value. One I hold dear...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I don't see it as approval or not. I see it as having a clear definition of what one considers right and wrong and not compromising for anyone.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
All I'm saying is that even if they weren't living together--they'd still be sinning, right? So what difference does living together truly make? Really, NONE.

Therefore, EVERY time the parents get together with the daughters and their boyfriends, their daughters are throwing their values in their face. The parents know damn well they are having sex--but say nothing most of the time. They are already compromising their values. Focusing on one party is silly. It's not going to make a bit of difference in whether or not their daughters are living by their values--they plainly aren't, and aren't going to.
So, what the hell! May as well celebrate the sinning with a party and a new bowl!

No.
They are "celebrating" it EVERY TIME they get together with their daughters and the daughters' boyfriends. They are showing acceptance of the situation EVERY TIME.

Therefore, the answer is either to never get together with their daughters when their boyfriends are around (and see what kind of relationship they have left after a few months of that), or to simply accept that there are things they may not agree with--but they can't change. They are already compromising their values. One party makes ZERO difference on that.

If you think you and your children are going to agree 100% on everything forever--I've got bad news for you.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Thursday 7th of May 2015 06:47:42 PM

So far I have managed to resist stating the obvious.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
You know, people would stop being so annoyed at Christians in general of they weren't so obsessed with sex.
LOL!

Yeah, there are a whole pile of other sins. Gluttony is one that everyone seems to ignore at all those potluck suppers!

And, MAN, can they COOK!!!

flan

Mary Zombie · Guru

You know, I am about as fallen a catholic as can be but I'm also getting sick of the digs and attempts to make the more devout feel stupid for feeing the way they do.
Though it might be just wanting to be one of the popular kids? Trying to be clever? Or just don't get it? Who knows.

I wonder if the people doing it can take as much as they dish out. But the thread would implode no doubt.
Good Gravy

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Mary Zombie wrote:
You know, I am about as fallen a catholic as can be but I'm also getting sick of the digs and attempts to make the more devout feel stupid for feeing the way they do.
Though it might be just wanting to be one of the popular kids? Trying to be clever? Or just don't get it? Who knows.

I wonder if the people doing it can take as much as they dish out. But the thread would implode no doubt.
Good Gravy

It goes both ways Mary. It always has.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I think the real question, is it possible to have a loving relationship with someone whom you disagree with morally? If so, then what does that look like? I think that is what we are talking about.

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
Sincerely, I think it says more about the person who assumes being alone with someone of the opposite sex means they could be sex than it does the person having a conversation behind closed doors with their superior. I don't understand why being alone in a room in a work situation would have anything to do with sex. That would literally be the last thing I thought of. If I saw 2 people behind closed doors I would be more likely to think "someone is in trouble" than I would "they are doing something improper".

It's a sad day when 2 adults cannot have a confidential work conversation behind closed doors without the whole office thinking its improper.
Throw in a little derision. Another friend of anyone who follows their conscience.
Oh, no! An adult who thinks for herself...the HORROR!
flan

The horror is that she can think for herself while Ohfour is not allowed the same privilege. I guess if she said she was gay or that she hated that this was part of her job you'd be all over being her friend. As you speak to her right now answers my question so get over your complex. meow

Tinydancer · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
You know, people would stop being so annoyed at Christians in general of they weren't so obsessed with sex.
I chose to live my life a certain way. That I am being mocked for holding to MY values (not even assuming you would do the same) is telling. I won't be alone with another man. And that makes me untrustworthy or simple. No, I respect my husband and do not want to even be associated with any impropriety. Its my value. One I hold dear...

Ohfour I'm sorry that those who profess to be your friends judge you so harshly for doing what is right. You're my hero right now!

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

I am not trying to be rude. I just honestly don't understand it. I don't know a single person either professionally or socially who subscribes to not being alone in a room with someone of the opposite sex - except for a few devout Muslims. If we are talking about avoiding it socially, I can see your point. I don't agree, but I understand where you are coming from. But at work?!?! No. I don't get it at all.

Ever been alone in a taxi driven by a man?
How about in a hospital when a male doc walks in?
My dentist is a man and I have been alone with him while he cleans my teeth.
How about in an elevator with a man - just the 2 of you ?
Have you walked into a convenience store with a male clerk behind the counter and no other customers?
I have been in the office of my male boss discussing my performance - no woman or other man around.

I just don't see the practicality of it, nor do I see the need for it. None of those scenarios is a sexual scenario.

Tinydancer · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
I am not trying to be rude. I just honestly don't understand it. I don't know a single person either professionally or socially who subscribes to not being alone in a room with someone of the opposite sex - except for a few devout Muslims. If we are talking about avoiding it socially, I can see your point. I don't agree, but I understand where you are coming from. But at work?!?! No. I don't get it at all.

Ever been alone in a taxi driven by a man?
How about in a hospital when a male doc walks in?
My dentist is a man and I have been alone with him while he cleans my teeth.
How about in an elevator with a man - just the 2 of you ?
Have you walked into a convenience store with a male clerk behind the counter and no other customers?
I have been in the office of my male boss discussing my performance - no woman or other man around.

I just don't see the practicality of it, nor do I see the need for it. None of those scenarios is a sexual scenario.

It's not practical. It's faith. As much as you think it's strange I find it faithful.

Tinydancer · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
I am not trying to be rude. I just honestly don't understand it. I don't know a single person either professionally or socially who subscribes to not being alone in a room with someone of the opposite sex - except for a few devout Muslims. If we are talking about avoiding it socially, I can see your point. I don't agree, but I understand where you are coming from. But at work?!?! No. I don't get it at all.

Ever been alone in a taxi driven by a man?
How about in a hospital when a male doc walks in?
My dentist is a man and I have been alone with him while he cleans my teeth.
How about in an elevator with a man - just the 2 of you ?
Have you walked into a convenience store with a male clerk behind the counter and no other customers?
I have been in the office of my male boss discussing my performance - no woman or other man around.

I just don't see the practicality of it, nor do I see the need for it. None of those scenarios is a sexual scenario.

So you compare Ohfour to a devout muslim? That's just awful at the deepest level. I guess if she came out as gay you'd applaud her. Sometimes people are just so twofaced it's almost like superhero powers.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

I didn't say she was a Muslim. I am saying the only people I know who hold that particular belief are Muslims.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

And if she came out as gay I wouldn't applaud her - I would support her.

Mary Zombie · Guru

I think OhFour is absolutely thinking for herself. Just because she thinks differently than some of you doesn't mean they aren't her thoughts. I don't even believe that way.....but I understand and respect it.
i see the most mocking and snideness coming from the more liberal crew. Not everyone but geez.
I sometimes wish I had retained more of My parents values. There wasn't as much crazy drama and complete lack of boundaries you see so much today.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

You know...I never said she was stupid or wrong or an idiot. I said the idea was ludicrous to me. To me. I said it was impractical and I didn't understand it at all. I didn't call her a name. I didn't say she was a fool or rude or anything else. I said I didn't understand it.

For someone who says they champion free speech and the exchange of ideas, you sure like to jump down people's throats when they disagree with you.

Mary Zombie · Guru

And Gaga. I agree with you.

Tinydancer · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
I didn't say she was a Muslim. I am saying the only people I know who hold that particular belief are Muslims.

You didn't say she was but your compared her to. Do you get that that is a really bad insult to a Christian? Never mind, Christians don't deserve even the least courtesy because she's a Christian after all .

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Mellow Momma wrote:
You know...I never said she was stupid or wrong or an idiot. I said the idea was ludicrous to me. To me. I said it was impractical and I didn't understand it at all. I didn't call her a name. I didn't say she was a fool or rude or anything else. I said I didn't understand it.

For someone who says they champion free speech and the exchange of ideas, you sure like to jump down people's throats when they disagree with you.

Thank you!

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Tinydancer wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
You know, people would stop being so annoyed at Christians in general of they weren't so obsessed with sex.
I chose to live my life a certain way. That I am being mocked for holding to MY values (not even assuming you would do the same) is telling. I won't be alone with another man. And that makes me untrustworthy or simple. No, I respect my husband and do not want to even be associated with any impropriety. Its my value. One I hold dear...
Ohfour I'm sorry that those who profess to be your friends judge you so harshly for doing what is right. You're my hero right now!

I'm sure she'll sleep soundly tonight...

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
And if she came out as gay I wouldn't applaud her - I would support her.

But gosh I don't support her if she wants to follow her Christian values...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I think the real question, is it possible to have a loving relationship with someone whom you disagree with morally? If so, then what does that look like? I think that is what we are talking about.

Yes.

I adore both Czech & ohfour, but we are miles apart on abortion & politics, for example. I have learned to respect their beliefs because they have such compassionate hearts.

flan

Mary Zombie · Guru

Oh goodness....if I were to really jump down someones throat...it would be Obvious. This is me being sweet. blankstare

-- Edited by Mary Zombie on Thursday 7th of May 2015 08:15:10 PM

-- Edited by Mary Zombie on Thursday 7th of May 2015 08:16:18 PM

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Wow. Just because some of you seem to think anything and everything goes doesn't mean anyone else has to approve or condone it.

And I'm pretty disgusted by the professed Christians on this thread who are just willing to ignore God's word so as not to offend your children. Talk about ass backwards.

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
You know, people would stop being so annoyed at Christians in general of they weren't so obsessed with sex.
I chose to live my life a certain way. That I am being mocked for holding to MY values (not even assuming you would do the same) is telling. I won't be alone with another man. And that makes me untrustworthy or simple. No, I respect my husband and do not want to even be associated with any impropriety. Its my value. One I hold dear...
Ohfour I'm sorry that those who profess to be your friends judge you so harshly for doing what is right. You're my hero right now!
I'm sure she'll sleep soundly tonight...
flan

You know what? I'm sure we will never be friends (never say never) because you are no friend at all. I guess your atheist/agnostic (agnostic means still searching for all but GOD) feelings blind you to the fact that some people find great comfort in God. I'm judging you right now but the only judgement that matters is when you answer for dismissing your "friend" Ohfour.