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Honeys_Mom · Mod & Permanent Board Sweetheart

RE: Dear Abby: We Don't Approve of Cohabitating Daughter

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mary Zombie wrote:
Oh goodness....if I were to really jump down someones throat...it would be Obvious. This is me being sweet.

-- Edited by Mary Zombie on Thursday 7th of May 2015 08:15:10 PM

-- Edited by Mary Zombie on Thursday 7th of May 2015 08:16:18 PM

You are always sweet.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

This is from Merriam Webster:

: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god

I've got at least 5 other definitions saying the same thing.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
Mary Zombie wrote:
My parents were like OhFour too. And if I had moved in with a guy and had a housewarming.....they would have declined and I would have understood.
It is not unusual for older or just more devout christians to be that way.
I really find it hard to believe the big hoohah here.
Are they still sinning by having sex outside of marriage even if they don't live together?

That is the stupidest question I've ever seen you write.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Honeys_Mom wrote:
Backing slowly out of thread...

Yeah, I'm sorry you had to read some of this.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Sorry, but another person does not get to "approve" or "disapprove' of me one way or the other. I don't recall asking their opinion on how to live my life. And, the daughter is an adult who doesn't need mom's approval.

Then she should not be upset when she doesn't get it.

Tinydancer · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
You know, people would stop being so annoyed at Christians in general of they weren't so obsessed with sex.
I chose to live my life a certain way. That I am being mocked for holding to MY values (not even assuming you would do the same) is telling. I won't be alone with another man. And that makes me untrustworthy or simple. No, I respect my husband and do not want to even be associated with any impropriety. Its my value. One I hold dear...
Ohfour I'm sorry that those who profess to be your friends judge you so harshly for doing what is right. You're my hero right now!
I'm sure she'll sleep soundly tonight...
flan
You know what? I'm sure we will never be friends (never say never) because you are no friend at all. I guess your atheist/agnostic (agnostic means still searching for all but GOD) feelings blind you to the fact that some people find great comfort in God. I'm judging you right now but the only judgement that matters is when you answer for dismissing your "friend" Ohfour.

Do you really think you have the market on friends? Guess what? Friends are as friends do. I shudder to think about what would be needed to be your "friend". Blind agreement maybe?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mary Zombie wrote:
My parents were like OhFour too. And if I had moved in with a guy and had a housewarming.....they would have declined and I would have understood.
It is not unusual for older or just more devout christians to be that way.
I really find it hard to believe the big hoohah here.
Are they still sinning by having sex outside of marriage even if they don't live together?
That is the stupidest question I've ever seen you write.

Because it speaks to the hypocrisy on this thread?

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Sin is sin. Period.

There is no caveat.

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
This is from Merriam Webster:

: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god

I've got at least 5 other definitions saying the same thing.

flan

From the Bible "God is God". I've got at least 500 religious sects saying the same thing. Some day I want to be a librarian . Then I can pretend I know more than God...lol

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mary Zombie wrote:
My parents were like OhFour too. And if I had moved in with a guy and had a housewarming.....they would have declined and I would have understood.
It is not unusual for older or just more devout christians to be that way.
I really find it hard to believe the big hoohah here.
Are they still sinning by having sex outside of marriage even if they don't live together?
That is the stupidest question I've ever seen you write.
Because it speaks to the hypocrisy on this thread?
flan

There is a lot of hypocrisy - I agree. But likely not in the way you are thinking.

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Mary Zombie wrote:
My parents were like OhFour too. And if I had moved in with a guy and had a housewarming.....they would have declined and I would have understood.
It is not unusual for older or just more devout christians to be that way.
I really find it hard to believe the big hoohah here.
Are they still sinning by having sex outside of marriage even if they don't live together?
That is the stupidest question I've ever seen you write.
Because it speaks to the hypocrisy on this thread?
flan

Hahahahaha...flan and hypocrisy. How fitting!!!!!!

Mary Zombie · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Sorry, but another person does not get to "approve" or "disapprove' of me one way or the other. I don't recall asking their opinion on how to live my life. And, the daughter is an adult who doesn't need mom's approval.
Then she should not be upset when she doesn't get it.

It seems logical somehow. If you are comfortable with your choices then no need to o seek approval.

I have been working on that for a long time. :)

Tinydancer · Guru

Mary Zombie wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Sorry, but another person does not get to "approve" or "disapprove' of me one way or the other. I don't recall asking their opinion on how to live my life. And, the daughter is an adult who doesn't need mom's approval.
Then she should not be upset when she doesn't get it.
It seems logical somehow. If you are comfortable with your choices then no need to o seek approval.
I have been working on that for a long time. :)

And you are still smiling! Victory!!!

Mary Zombie · Guru

:)

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I had a lovely evening out with DN tonight...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I had a lovely evening out with DN tonight...

Oh, now THAT'S good news!

What did you do?

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

flan327 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I had a lovely evening out with DN tonight...
Oh, now THAT'S good news!
What did you do?
flan

I posted it on the daily! biggrin It probably could go under Let's Eat and also Mother's day though!

WYSIWYG · Guru

You use this word all the time but I don't think you even know what it means. It does have such a nice dramatic flair though so I can see why you choose to keep using it incorrectly.
- Tinydancer

_____________________________

I believe that "shun" means "to reject, avoid, or ignore someone or something. To have nothing to do with them or it". Are you suggesting this is not the definition?

I like to learn new things when possible. Please provide me with a link to any dictionary or resource that says it means something else.

WYSIWYG · Guru

I guess it depends on what is meant by disapprove? If someone does something you disapprove, what does that really mean then? Does that mean shaking your head at them, sniffing your nose or constantly telling them that they are wrong? I mean, there are many ways to play that out. I would express my disapproval. But, after that, I said my peace and I put it out there. That info is then the daughter's to consider or not. She is an adult. I would not then spend the rest of time acting cold, sniffing my nose, or sitting on my high horse towards her.
- Lady gaga Snerd

____________________________

That was very well put. And the last few sentences is exactly what I was referring to. Let the adult offspring know that you don't support the act, but that you still love and support the them, as people that you care about.

WYSIWYG · Guru

Interesting turn the thread made shortly after the posts I quoted in my previous two posts.

So now we are on to "the appearance of sin". I have to agree with huskerbb and some others, that cohabitation as roommates is not a sin nor is it "the appearance of sin". If someone sees sin where there's not even the appearance of any, maybe that person needs to reevaluate how he or she looks at the world.

I read somewhere ("dumblaws.com", I believe) that there's a statute out there that forbids more than 9 (I think) women from living in the same building, because that would constitute a bordello. I believe some of the same biased thinking is going on in the minds of those that see "the appearance of sin" because two roommates might be opposite gender.

WYSIWYG · Guru

You know what? I'm sure we will never be friends (never say never) because you are no friend at all. I guess your atheist/agnostic (agnostic means still searching for all but GOD) feelings blind you to the fact that some people find great comfort in God. I'm judging you right now but the only judgement that matters is when you answer for dismissing your "friend" Ohfour.
- Tinydancer

____________________________

Normally I would hate to point this out, but, since you want to be such a stickler on correct definitions I looked this one up for you because I knew your definition was wrong.

Agnostic (courtesy of Google search): noun, a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

Agnostics are interested in finding GOD too.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

So, just out of curiosity, I asked DN about this. She and her b/f are moving in together in two months. JFTR, they're already having sex. We know. We've discussed it. They are 28 and 29 and pay their own way so it is not my decision. She knows I wish she would have waited. She has even agreed, like Mary, that she had waited. But it is what it is. Tonight I asked her if they planned on having a housewarming party when they moved in. She told me in these words, "No. The thought never crossed my mind. You don't celebrate living together. I'll have a party when I get married." Gotta say, I love her.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

And I do have to say, not to defend ohfour or anything, but where I live it's VERY normal for two people to be in the office with someone else. Doesn't matter if it's a woman or a man with another woman. It's for the companies safety and protection. I don't know how to say it other than these days even a woman can accuse another woman of sexual harassment or threatening her. I honestly don't know of a company in my area that DOESN'T have someone else in a meeting with someone. It doesn't even matter who the third person is. It can be a janitor for all they care. But they ALWAYS pull a third party in for witnessing. Doesn't matter what for or why. Any company worth anything these days looks to cut off problems ahead of time. This is something they can actively prevent from happening. Like I said, it doesn't have to be two HR people. Sometimes it's the boss and HR. Or it can be someone from another department and HR. It may seem totally ludicrous and stupid and immature to some but a smart boss is a boss who doesn't allow the opportunity for situations to arise.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Oh, and I also know a couple, very nice couple btw, where they made the same promise to each other that ohfour's company apparently has. Both of them worked very high profile jobs. They were affluent and did a lot of community things. And yes, they were associated with a church though their jobs were not IN the church. The made an agreement that they would never go anywhere alone with someone of the opposite sex. It's not about trust or being a rutting pig. It's the fact that in today's society it's all too easy for someone to snap a picture on their cell phone and publish that you were having an "intimate" lunch together. It's easy to be leaning in to hear someone talk in a crowded restaurant and someone takes your picture and it looks like something it is not. And once an accusation is made it cannot be taken back. Whole lives and careers have been lost and/or ruined on accusations alone. Without even a shred of proof.

So while I do not follow ohfour's practice I can completely understand it and not mock it. I admire her for standing up for it and for what she believes in. I have no issue with that. And it doesn't make me think her husband doesn't trust her or that she can't keep her hands off another man. I guess I tend to think more in the reality of our world today and the nasty people who start rumors and gossip.

Mary Zombie · Guru

Well said NJN.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Mary Zombie wrote:
Well said NJN.

Thanks Mary! You should hang out here more often! Hey, want to come on the next girls night out DN and I have?

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

What gets me is that the party in the op is not about them living together (which they have been to ng for a while) but their new place. I don't see how that equals celebrating sin.

Tinydancer · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
You use this word all the time but I don't think you even know what it means. It does have such a nice dramatic flair though so I can see why you choose to keep using it incorrectly.
- Tinydancer

_____________________________

I believe that "shun" means "to reject, avoid, or ignore someone or something. To have nothing to do with them or it". Are you suggesting this is not the definition?

I like to learn new things when possible. Please provide me with a link to any dictionary or resource that says it means something else.

As soon as you show me a link where not baking someone a cake is the definition of shunning I'll believe you actually understand the word. Twist it any way you want, not baking a cake is not shunning.

Tinydancer · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
You know what? I'm sure we will never be friends (never say never) because you are no friend at all. I guess your atheist/agnostic (agnostic means still searching for all but GOD) feelings blind you to the fact that some people find great comfort in God. I'm judging you right now but the only judgement that matters is when you answer for dismissing your "friend" Ohfour.
- Tinydancer

____________________________

Normally I would hate to point this out, but, since you want to be such a stickler on correct definitions I looked this one up for you because I knew your definition was wrong.

Agnostic (courtesy of Google search): noun, a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

Agnostics are interested in finding GOD too.

That is not my definition of agnostic but what I've come to know flan means by it. With the twisting of the Bible to suit your agenda you can certainly create your own version of a god but it won't be God.

chillepeppa · Regular

Tinydancer wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I didn't say she was a Muslim. I am saying the only people I know who hold that particular belief are Muslims.
You didn't say she was but your compared her to. Do you get that that is a really bad insult to a Christian? Never mind, Christians don't deserve even the least courtesy because she's a Christian after all .

Mellow Momma compared OhFour's level of commitment to her faith to the level of commitment to their faith of the devout Muslims she knew. They also find being in the same room with the opposite sex without an chaperon inappropriate coincidentally. There is a difference between saying "someone is like X" and "someone is as faithful to their cause as X is to theirs".

But how does one separate what your perceive what MM said from your "deviants and weirdos" comments? How is one worse (or better) than the other?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

There is some discussion on "shunning" I see. Well, so what? If someone wants to shun another, they ALSO may choose to do so. People don't have to be obligated to stamp approval on others either. So, shunning isn't wrong either if that is what they choose to do. If the parents wish to cut off all contact with the daughter, they certainly may do so. I personally would never do that. And, I think that would be very sad that they would rather give up a life of love and joy with their own child just to make some point that they are right. However, Jesus was viewed very skeptically because He did not shun the people that the Pharisees shunned. That is what is so awesome about Jesus. He is liberal and conservative simultaneously. He is both, but yet neither. So, no group can claim Him. So honestly, I thought those WWJD bracelets were silly. I have no idea what Jesus would do. I won't speak to what he would do. But, if you wish to claim Christianity, then the resource you have is the Bible to help you on your journey through life.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Tinydancer wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
You know what? I'm sure we will never be friends (never say never) because you are no friend at all. I guess your atheist/agnostic (agnostic means still searching for all but GOD) feelings blind you to the fact that some people find great comfort in God. I'm judging you right now but the only judgement that matters is when you answer for dismissing your "friend" Ohfour.
- Tinydancer

____________________________

Normally I would hate to point this out, but, since you want to be such a stickler on correct definitions I looked this one up for you because I knew your definition was wrong.

Agnostic (courtesy of Google search): noun, a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

Agnostics are interested in finding GOD too.
That is not my definition of agnostic but what I've come to know flan means by it. With the twisting of the Bible to suit your agenda you can certainly create your own version of a god but it won't be God.

flan knows what "agnostic" means, tyvm...

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

chillepeppa wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I didn't say she was a Muslim. I am saying the only people I know who hold that particular belief are Muslims.
You didn't say she was but your compared her to. Do you get that that is a really bad insult to a Christian? Never mind, Christians don't deserve even the least courtesy because she's a Christian after all .
Mellow Momma compared OhFour's level of commitment to her faith to the level of commitment to their faith of the devout Muslims she knew. They also find being in the same room with the opposite sex without an chaperon inappropriate coincidentally. There is a difference between saying "someone is like X" and "someone is as faithful to their cause as X is to theirs".
But how does one separate what your perceive what MM said from your "deviants and weirdos" comments? How is one worse (or better) than the other?

BRAVO!

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Agnostic (courtesy of Google search): noun, a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

Agnostics are interested in finding GOD too.

Well, according to this definition, if you believe nothing is known or can be known, then how is an agnostic "interested in finding God"? That doesn't make sense. If God cannot be known, then that is Impossible.

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I didn't say she was a Muslim. I am saying the only people I know who hold that particular belief are Muslims.
You didn't say she was but your compared her to. Do you get that that is a really bad insult to a Christian? Never mind, Christians don't deserve even the least courtesy because she's a Christian after all .
Mellow Momma compared OhFour's level of commitment to her faith to the level of commitment to their faith of the devout Muslims she knew. They also find being in the same room with the opposite sex without an chaperon inappropriate coincidentally. There is a difference between saying "someone is like X" and "someone is as faithful to their cause as X is to theirs".
But how does one separate what your perceive what MM said from your "deviants and weirdos" comments? How is one worse (or better) than the other?
BRAVO!
flan

Oh bull. If you're going to insult people at least admit what you're doing. The old "we're just trying to understand" excuse for doing it is lame too.

Tinydancer · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Agnostic (courtesy of Google search): noun, a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

Agnostics are interested in finding GOD too.

Well, according to this definition, if you believe nothing is known or can be known, then how is an agnostic "interested in finding God"? That doesn't make sense. If God cannot be known, then that is Impossible.

Hey stop using logic...lol

chillepeppa · Regular

Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I didn't say she was a Muslim. I am saying the only people I know who hold that particular belief are Muslims.
You didn't say she was but your compared her to. Do you get that that is a really bad insult to a Christian? Never mind, Christians don't deserve even the least courtesy because she's a Christian after all .
Mellow Momma compared OhFour's level of commitment to her faith to the level of commitment to their faith of the devout Muslims she knew. They also find being in the same room with the opposite sex without an chaperon inappropriate coincidentally. There is a difference between saying "someone is like X" and "someone is as faithful to their cause as X is to theirs".
But how does one separate what your perceive what MM said from your "deviants and weirdos" comments? How is one worse (or better) than the other?
BRAVO!
flan
Oh bull. If you're going to insult people at least admit what you're doing. The old "we're just trying to understand" excuse for doing it is lame too.

I don't understand. Is it the same or not?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I didn't say she was a Muslim. I am saying the only people I know who hold that particular belief are Muslims.
You didn't say she was but your compared her to. Do you get that that is a really bad insult to a Christian? Never mind, Christians don't deserve even the least courtesy because she's a Christian after all .
Mellow Momma compared OhFour's level of commitment to her faith to the level of commitment to their faith of the devout Muslims she knew. They also find being in the same room with the opposite sex without an chaperon inappropriate coincidentally. There is a difference between saying "someone is like X" and "someone is as faithful to their cause as X is to theirs".
But how does one separate what your perceive what MM said from your "deviants and weirdos" comments? How is one worse (or better) than the other?
BRAVO!
flan
Oh bull. If you're going to insult people at least admit what you're doing. The old "we're just trying to understand" excuse for doing it is lame too.

Oh bull. Stop seeing "Christian bashing" where it DOESN'T EXIST.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

That's just rich.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Agnostic (courtesy of Google search): noun, a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

Agnostics are interested in finding GOD too.

Well, according to this definition, if you believe nothing is known or can be known, then how is an agnostic "interested in finding God"? That doesn't make sense. If God cannot be known, then that is Impossible.
Hey stop using logic...lol

An agnostic is really someone who just doesn't want to think about too deeply. Scarlet O'Hara. Oh fiddle dee dee, I will think about this tomorrow! biggrin

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Agnostic (courtesy of Google search): noun, a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

Agnostics are interested in finding GOD too.

Well, according to this definition, if you believe nothing is known or can be known, then how is an agnostic "interested in finding God"? That doesn't make sense. If God cannot be known, then that is Impossible.
Hey stop using logic...lol
An agnostic is really someone who just doesn't want to think about too deeply. Scarlet O'Hara. Oh fiddle dee dee, I will think about this tomorrow!

Most agnostics that I know have spent years thinking very deeply.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

chillepeppa wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I didn't say she was a Muslim. I am saying the only people I know who hold that particular belief are Muslims.
You didn't say she was but your compared her to. Do you get that that is a really bad insult to a Christian? Never mind, Christians don't deserve even the least courtesy because she's a Christian after all .
Mellow Momma compared OhFour's level of commitment to her faith to the level of commitment to their faith of the devout Muslims she knew. They also find being in the same room with the opposite sex without an chaperon inappropriate coincidentally. There is a difference between saying "someone is like X" and "someone is as faithful to their cause as X is to theirs".
But how does one separate what your perceive what MM said from your "deviants and weirdos" comments? How is one worse (or better) than the other?
BRAVO!
flan
Oh bull. If you're going to insult people at least admit what you're doing. The old "we're just trying to understand" excuse for doing it is lame too.
I don't understand. Is it the same or not?

You won't get a straight answer from her.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
flan327 wrote:
chillepeppa wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
I didn't say she was a Muslim. I am saying the only people I know who hold that particular belief are Muslims.
You didn't say she was but your compared her to. Do you get that that is a really bad insult to a Christian? Never mind, Christians don't deserve even the least courtesy because she's a Christian after all .
Mellow Momma compared OhFour's level of commitment to her faith to the level of commitment to their faith of the devout Muslims she knew. They also find being in the same room with the opposite sex without an chaperon inappropriate coincidentally. There is a difference between saying "someone is like X" and "someone is as faithful to their cause as X is to theirs".
But how does one separate what your perceive what MM said from your "deviants and weirdos" comments? How is one worse (or better) than the other?
BRAVO!
flan
Oh bull. If you're going to insult people at least admit what you're doing. The old "we're just trying to understand" excuse for doing it is lame too.
I don't understand. Is it the same or not?
You won't get a straight answer from her.
flan

Unlike you flan I am not afraid to answer a question. I just don't understand what question is being asked. What does that even mean?

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Friday 8th of May 2015 07:37:07 AM

chillepeppa · Regular

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Agnostic (courtesy of Google search): noun, a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

Agnostics are interested in finding GOD too.

Well, according to this definition, if you believe nothing is known or can be known, then how is an agnostic "interested in finding God"? That doesn't make sense. If God cannot be known, then that is Impossible.

The "known" referred to here is scientifically, or empirically. As you said, that is impossible, BUT, level of acceptable proof is different for everyone.

People are known to accept dreams and even signs (and this could be anything) as evidence for anything supernatural ranging from deities all the way to aliens.

Agnostics aren't so much interested in finding a deity as they are willing to change their stance once evidence is presented.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Agnostic (courtesy of Google search): noun, a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

Agnostics are interested in finding GOD too.

Well, according to this definition, if you believe nothing is known or can be known, then how is an agnostic "interested in finding God"? That doesn't make sense. If God cannot be known, then that is Impossible.
Hey stop using logic...lol
An agnostic is really someone who just doesn't want to think about too deeply. Scarlet O'Hara. Oh fiddle dee dee, I will think about this tomorrow!
Most agnostics that I know have spent years thinking very deeply.
flan

And that's the difference.

It's faith that believes in God.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

You won't get a straight answer from her.
flan

MWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA

That's rich coming from you.

-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Friday 8th of May 2015 07:38:29 AM

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

chillepeppa wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Agnostic (courtesy of Google search): noun, a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God.

Agnostics are interested in finding GOD too.

Well, according to this definition, if you believe nothing is known or can be known, then how is an agnostic "interested in finding God"? That doesn't make sense. If God cannot be known, then that is Impossible.
The "known" referred to here is scientifically, or empirically. As you said, that is impossible, BUT, level of acceptable proof is different for everyone.
People are known to accept dreams and even signs (and this could be anything) as evidence for anything supernatural ranging from deities all the way to aliens.
Agnostics aren't so much interested in finding a deity as they are willing to change their stance once evidence is presented.

You are changing the definition. Nothing IS known or CAN be KNOWN. That pretty much ends it. If you want to redefine the word, then that is a whole other discussion. So, that cannot be "agnostic" by definition.

Tinydancer · Guru

God asks for faith. Humans ask for proof.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

What is a dyslexic agnostic insominiac?

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Someone who lies awake all night doubting the existence of Dog!

-- Edited by Lady Gaga Snerd on Friday 8th of May 2015 07:39:41 AM