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Amtrak train in deadly wreck was speeding, but why?

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PHILADELPHIA — Federal investigators have determined that an Amtrak train that crashed in Philadelphia, killing at least seven people, was careening through the city at 106 mph before it ran off the rails along a sharp curve where the speed limit drops to just 50 mph, but they still don't know why it was going so fast.

 

Robert Sumwalt, of the National Transportation Safety Board, said a data recorder and a video camera in the train's front end could yield clues to what happened. Amtrak inspected the stretch of track on Tuesday, just hours before the accident, and found no defects, according to the Federal Railroad Administration.

Sumwalt said the engineer applied the emergency brakes moments before the crash but slowed the train to only 102 mph by the time the locomotive's black box stopped recording data. The speed limit just before the bend is 80 mph, he said.

The engineer, whose name was not released, refused to give a statement to law enforcement and left a police precinct with a lawyer, police said. Sumwalt said federal accident investigators want to talk to him but will give him a day or two to recover from the shock of the accident.

 

Mayor Michael Nutter said he was frustrated to learn how fast the train was going. "Part of the focus has to be, what was the engineer doing?" Nutter said. "Why are you traveling at that rate of speed?"

More than 200 people aboard the Washington-to-New York train were injured in the wreck, which happened in a decayed industrial neighborhood not far from the Delaware River just before 9:30 p.m. Tuesday. Passengers crawled out the windows of the torn and toppled rail cars in the darkness and emerged dazed and bloody, many of them with broken bones and burns. At least 10 people remained hospitalized in critical condition on Wednesday.

It was the nation's deadliest train accident in nearly seven years. There is no Amtrak service between Washington and New York again on Thursday.

The NTSB finding about the train's speed corroborated an AP analysis done earlier in the day of surveillance video from a spot along the tracks. The AP concluded from the footage that the train was speeding at approximately 107 mph moments before it entered the curve.

Despite pressure from Congress and safety regulators, Amtrak had not installed along that section of track Positive Train Control, a technology that uses GPS, wireless radio and computers to prevent trains from going over the speed limit. Most of Amtrak's Northeast Corridor is equipped with Positive Train Control.

"Based on what we know right now, we feel that had such a system been installed in this section of track, this accident would not have occurred," Sumwalt said.

The notoriously tight curve is not far from the site of one of the deadliest train wrecks in U.S. history: the 1943 derailment of the Congressional Limited, bound from Washington to New York. Seventy-nine people were killed.

The dead in Tuesday's crash included an Associated Press employee, a midshipman at the U.S. Naval Academy, a Wells Fargo executive, a college administrator and the CEO of an educational startup.

Nutter said some people were unaccounted for but cautioned that some passengers listed on the Amtrak manifest might not have boarded the train, while others might not have checked in with authorities.

"We will not cease our efforts until we go through every vehicle," the mayor said.

The crash took place about 10 minutes after the train pulled out of Philadelphia's 30th Street Station with 238 passengers and five crew members listed aboard. The locomotive and all seven passenger cars hurtled off the track as the train made a left turn, Sumwalt said.

Of the engineer, Sumwalt said: "This person has gone through a very traumatic event, and we want to give him an opportunity to convalesce for a day or so before we interview him. But that is certainly a high priority for us, to interview the train crew."

Jillian Jorgensen was seated in the second passenger car and said the train was going "fast enough for me to be worried" when it began to lurch to the right. Then the lights went out, and Jorgensen was thrown from her seat.

She said she "flew across the train" and landed under some seats that had apparently broken loose from the floor.

Jorgensen, a reporter for The New York Observer who lives in Jersey City, New Jersey, said she wriggled free as fellow passengers screamed. She saw one man lying still, his face covered in blood, and a woman with a broken leg.

She climbed out an emergency exit window, and a firefighter helped her down a ladder to safety.

"It was terrifying and awful, and as it was happening it just did not feel like the kind of thing you could walk away from, so I feel very lucky," Jorgensen said in an email.

Among the dead were award-winning AP video software architect Jim Gaines, a father of two; Justin Zemser, a Naval Academy midshipman from New York City; Abid Gilani, a senior vice president in Wells Fargo's commercial real estate division in New York; Derrick Griffith, dean of student affairs and enrollment management at Medgar Evers College in Brooklyn, New York; and Rachel Jacobs, who was commuting home to New York from her new job as CEO of the Philadelphia educational software startup ApprenNet.

"It's incredible that so many people walked away from that scene last night," the mayor said. "I saw people on this street behind us walking off of that train. I don't know how that happened, but for the grace of God."

The area where the wreck happened is known as Frankford Junction, situated in a neighborhood of warehouses, industrial buildings and homes.

Amtrak carries 11.6 million passengers a year along its busy Northeast Corridor, which runs between Washington and Boston.

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Associated Press reporters Maryclaire Dale, Michael R. Sisak and Josh Cornfield in Philadelphia and Jack Gillum, Ted Bridis and Joan Lowy in Washington contributed to this story.

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Was something wrong with the train, I wonder? That seems really, really fast.

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I know the media is ready to crucify the engineer because he lawyered up so quickly. I think that was the smart thing for him to do, regardless of his guilt. Innocent people can be wrongly convicted.

Although I think it looks really bad for the engineer, I am withholding judgment until more facts come out.

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The latest headline says the engineer doesn't remember the crash. (I did not read the article.)

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I heard that, too. I wonder if he had a stroke.

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""The engineer, whose name was not released, refused to give a statement to law enforcement and left a police precinct with a lawyer, police said. Sumwalt said federal accident investigators want to talk to him but will give him a day or two to recover from the shock of the accident.""


Really? Why is allowed to not give a statement as to what happened and "recover" from the shock? That's absurd.

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I heard that, too. I wonder if he had a stroke.


For having a "stroke" he got lawyered up pretty fast.  He should have been taken into custody IMMEDIATELY and drug tested. 



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I believe he was.

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It looks like he suffered a concussion following the accident which would explain the memory loss. It took my son awhile to regain his memory after he had his concussion. And the engineer would need to be treated before he could be taken into custody.  Following the accident he was treated at the hospital and blood samples were taken at that time.  So we'll see what happens.  



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I wonder if it was a suicide attempt?

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Here is some more info:

The Amtrak engineer on the speeding train that derailed on a curve, killing eight passengers and injuring more than 200 in Philadelphia, is a passionate rail advocate who has supported stronger industry safety standards.

Brandon Bostian, 32, of Queens, N.Y., has been a train aficionado at least since grade school outside Memphis and through his years at the University of Missouri in Columbia in the early 2000s. University dorm roommates recalled him playing on a rail simulator in his room and talking about trains in casual conversation.

It was "trains from the start," said Lee Allen, 31, who met Bostian in the fifth grade in the Memphis suburb of Bartlett. "We were total dorks; that's part of why we hung out all the time. He's one of the nicest guys I've met, absolutely dependable and trustworthy."

After college, Bostian landed a job in the industry he loved, getting work with Amtrak on routes in the San Francisco Bay Area and the heavily trafficked Northeast corridor between Washington and New York City.

Bostian has described himself as a type-A personality enamored of checklists, writing to his friends in one Facebook status: "At work, I run through a five-item checklist after I inspect my engine and before I touch anything. Then a 10-item checklist before I move the train an inch, and another four-item list at every station stop. So I guess it's no surprise that I keep a checklist for packing a bag for an overnight trip."

Now, Bostian's diligence is at the center of investigators' scrutiny and Philadelphia Mayor Michael Nutter's incredulity over why his train, the Amtrak Northeast Regional 188 from Washington to New York, was going more than 100 mph as it sped into a curve with a speed limit of 50 mph.

National Transportation Safety Board member Robert Sumwalt said Thursday that analysis of the train data recorder and a camera set up in the locomotive showed the train rapidly and steadily increasing speed in the last 65 seconds before the crash.

Sumwalt said the train was traveling faster than 70 mph 65 seconds before impact. At 43 seconds before impact, it exceeded 80 mph. At 31 seconds, it had increased to 90 mph. Sixteen seconds before impact, it topped 100.

The NTSB expects to meet with Bostian "in the next few days," Sumwalt said.

Earlier Thursday, Bostian's attorney told ABC's "Good Morning America" that Bostian had suffered a concussion and other injuries in the derailment, and had 15 staples in his head as well as stitches in his leg.

Bostian was "knocked out" in the crash Tuesday night, but recalls regaining consciousness, searching for his bag and calling 911 on his cellphone, attorney Robert Goggin said.

The attorney said Bostian told him that he does not have any medical issues and that he immediately consented to a police request to have his blood tested. The test turned up "no drinking, no drugs, no medical conditions, nothing," Goggin said.

The attorney said Bostian's cellphone was put away in his bag and was not turned on while he was operating the train, per Amtrak rules.

"He remembers driving the train," Goggin said. "He remembers coming into the curve. He remembers attempting to reduce speed thereafter. He does not remember deploying the emergency brake."

The NTSB has concluded that Bostian applied the emergency brake several seconds before the crash.

Even as investigators focused on Bostian and the speed at which the train was moving, officials pressed the need for an automated safety system known as positive train control, which they say could have prevented the disaster. The system is in operation in parts of Amtrak's busy Northeast corridor, but not along the northbound stretch of track where the train derailed.

On the rail message board Trainorders.com, where Bostian has posted for more than a decade on issues as wide-ranging as electrical outlets on trains and other rail crashes, he has repeatedly called for improved industry safety measures to prevent engineers' mistakes.

"It shouldn't take an act of Congress to get industry to adopt common-sense safety systems on their own," Bostian wrote of the 2008 Metrolink train crash in the Chatsworth section of Los Angeles that killed 25 people and injured 135 after an engineer ran a red stop signal while texting on his cellphone. That disaster prompted a national effort to develop positive train control to prevent similar disasters.

The NTSB's Sumwalt said positive train control "would have prevented this accident."

In a 2012 post, Bostian wrote with an enthusiast's zeal and a level of expertise common in many of his posts on the site: "A late 1920s-era cab signal system (with speed enforcement, which admittedly is a newer technology that's only about 50 or 60 years old) would have either completely prevented the Chatsworth disaster or, worst case, would have resulted in a slow-speed impact."

In 2009, Bostian wrote in defense of rules that prevented train operators from working overly long hours, "to prevent crews from being placed in a situation where their fatigue could lead them to make a catastrophic operating error that leads to a serious derailment, collision or injury to maintenance of way personnel."

Jason Gerali, 31, lived across the hall from Bostian in their dorm during their freshman year at the University of Missouri in 2001.

"He was quiet. He was always sitting in front of his computer playing the Microsoft Train Simulator," Gerali said, "which is funny because it's so boring. It's like a flight simulator but you just have to stay on the rails."

With strangers, Bostian would usually engage in a conversation about trains.

"I remember him being a real stand-up guy," said a friend from college, Mary Henderson. "A highly dependable, extremely intelligent, analytical problem-solver who was very detail-oriented." She added, "His lifelong dream was to be a train engineer."

During some of Bostian's time in Columbia, Mo., he worked as a cashier at Target, was involved with church and was a member of Acacia, a service fraternity. A LinkedIn profile under his name said he attained a bachelor's degree in business administration and management in 2006. (A spokesperson for the University of Missouri did not immediately respond to a request for confirmation Thursday that Bostian had graduated.)

As graduation approached in 2006, Bostian wrote to his fellow aficionados on Trainorders.com that he was trying to get "an amazing job with Amtrak" and that his "ultimate goal is to be a conductor." He added that working on a freight train was more of a "backup option," since "I really think my interest lies more in dealing with the general public (I know; it's weird)."

An Amtrak spokeswoman declined to release any information to the Los Angeles Times about Bostian's service, but the LinkedIn profile indicated that he apparently got his wish:

He became an Amtrak conductor in July 2006 and an engineer in 2010, the online profile says.

Bostian's work took him to the San Francisco Bay Area, where he worked as an engineer on a Caltrain line in the San Francisco-San Jose corridor operated by Amtrak.

(A Caltrain spokeswoman said she could not confirm Bostian's exact dates of employment on the line because he was not technically a Caltrain employee.)

Bostian was involved in the fight against California's Proposition 8, a same-sex marriage ban passed in 2008, according to the Midtown Gazette. The New York publication interviewed Bostian about his support for same-sex marriage shortly after he moved to New York in 2012.

A few hours after Tuesday night's crash, Bostian changed his Facebook profile picture to a black rectangle as friends swarmed to his side and posted messages of support.

"Praying for you, my friend! And everyone else onboard," one user wrote. Another friend added, "You know, for me, (Amtrak) is synonymous with Brandon, and as soon as I saw the story this morning, my immediate thoughts were about you and continue to be."

Perhaps the strongest message of support came Wednesday from one friend who lists himself as an Amtrak engineer.

"Hold your head up," wrote Mark Schulthies. "What you know about yourself and those of us that know you is more important than anything being said in the media. Everyday we hold lives in our hands — 99.9 percent of the time it goes unappreciated and taken for granted. Yes, it happened to you but it could have been any one of us and you are not alone."

Bostian's childhood friend, Allen, called the crash a "tragedy," adding, "It's a horrible accident, and everyone who knew him just feel terrible for him."

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(Pearce reported from Los Angeles, Duara from Phoenix

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""The attorney said Bostian told him that he does not have any medical issues and that he immediately consented to a police request to have his blood tested. The test turned up "no drinking, no drugs, no medical conditions, nothing," Goggin said.

The attorney said Bostian's cellphone was put away in his bag and was not turned on while he was operating the train, per Amtrak rules.

"He remembers driving the train," Goggin said. "He remembers coming into the curve. He remembers attempting to reduce speed thereafter. He does not remember deploying the emergency brake."

The NTSB has concluded that Bostian applied the emergency brake several seconds before the crash.""

He did consent to be tested for drugs, medical conditions, etc. Some of the other articles that I read didn't mention that and made it sound like he just went out and lawyered up. So, at least that is off the table. I don't know anything about driving trains or how quickly they can get out of control regarding speed, etc. So, the experts will have to figure this one out.


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I wonder how old he is. He could be in the early stages of dementia and had a lapse.

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He's 32. His health checked out. He had the wherewithal to pull the brake. They said he is medically FINE. Maybe he was just daydreaming and looking out the window and lost track of the speed.

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I saw nothing wrong with lawyering up anyway. It's the smart thing to do to protect yourself. But it is nice to know that he wasn't drinking, etc. I hope he regains his memory and maybe can shed some light on what transpired.

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It sounds like the accelerator or whatever powers a train malfunctioned & started gaining speed. He pulled the emergency brake so it sounds like he was trying to control the situation. I hope the find out what happened. It sounds like he takes his job & safety very seriously.

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